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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.57,0:00:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}preroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.26,0:00:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: What does Big Brother see\Nwhile he is watching?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.58,0:00:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon Menner is talking to you about this:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.88,0:00:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Uncovering Images from the secret Stasi Archives."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.86,0:00:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was born 1978 in southern Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.51,0:00:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now he lives and works in Berlin.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.12,0:00:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does a lot of stuff with photography
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.29,0:00:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and history. And he has been researching
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.54,0:00:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for three years in Stasi files and images.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.78,0:00:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he is going to show us why this is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.03,0:00:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still relevant today, or even
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.74,0:00:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more relevant than ever. \NGive him a warm welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.84,0:00:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.16,0:00:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.96,0:00:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told to use this rather than the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.83,0:01:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lavalier mic, so I hope it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.55,0:01:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First a disclaimer: I'm an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.31,0:01:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not a historian, so my approach to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.99,0:01:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the material I am going to show you is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.10,0:01:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhat different from what you might expect
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.10,0:01:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a regular historian. But we can
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.70,0:01:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discuss this as we go on.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.72,0:01:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And very very briefly, before I am going
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.54,0:01:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show you images I have found at the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.55,0:01:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive of the Stasi and some very few
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.16,0:01:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have found at the archive of the BND -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.05,0:01:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am going to show you three bodies of work
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.73,0:01:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that brought me to my interest in the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.90,0:01:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stasi files. So, I am a trained artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.47,0:01:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a photographer and normally I do
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.51,0:01:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like this. I am very interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.86,0:01:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the relationship of perception... what
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.14,0:01:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perception does within the context
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.92,0:02:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of modern conflict. It turns out,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.52,0:02:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more importantly, perception is a battle field.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.93,0:02:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And fear is a weapon. And this is actually
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.63,0:02:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just a set of landscape images.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.65,0:02:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is actually a set of photographs for
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.34,0:02:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I had to have support by the German\NArmy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.55,0:02:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They supported me with snipers.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.47,0:02:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were hiding in the landscape and were
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.60,0:02:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aiming at the camera, and therefore at the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.86,0:02:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,viewer. Which is ... okay ... of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.58,0:02:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the sniper would be here. And in most
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.62,0:02:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the pictures from this series there is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.07,0:02:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually almost no trace to be seen from
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.35,0:02:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sniper. But this is the way
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.81,0:02:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sniper looks within the landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.26,0:02:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they were ordered to aim at me.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.44,0:02:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though I couldn't see them. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.87,0:02:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes, when they were posing, I told
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.51,0:02:47.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them: "Well, just don't hide behind a tree
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.05,0:02:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't see you." And they told me:
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.88,0:02:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No no, don't worry, we are aiming at you."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.97,0:02:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.04,0:02:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, the whole thing is artificial.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.83,0:02:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they would never choose this kind
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.79,0:03:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of setting and this kind of environment
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.72,0:03:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their... To pose a threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.32,0:03:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a sniper here, or
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.07,0:03:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a sniper here.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.71,0:03:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is something that really plays an
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.01,0:03:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important role in today's conflicts
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.84,0:03:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you try to occupy your opponent's mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.09,0:03:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And influence his or her behaviour
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.13,0:03:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that way, through creating fear. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.41,0:03:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another set of images, it's based on
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.19,0:03:27.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handbooks by the US Army on how to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.95,0:03:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,construct booby traps out of ordinary
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.20,0:03:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objects. Like here, a TV set or radio.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.59,0:03:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you switch it on, it blows up. A box,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.82,0:03:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a pipe - as an artist, I find this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.35,0:03:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,image very intriguing, because there is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.33,0:03:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one very famous painting by Margritte
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.76,0:03:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,´This is not a pipe' - actually, this is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.55,0:03:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a pipe, laughter
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.33,0:03:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it is supposed to look like a\Npipe.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.52,0:03:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.44,0:03:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So be aware, that's from the sixties, from
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.16,0:03:56.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the US Army, and these handbooks are now
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.49,0:04:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out there and used by the opposing forces.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.01,0:04:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By forces they encounter. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.85,0:04:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole story behind these manuals is, well,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.78,0:04:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're supposed to create fear in your
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.29,0:04:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opponent. Here is a German chocolate bar,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.12,0:04:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you break it, it blows up in your face.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.19,0:04:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or a tea kettle. The more ordinary objects
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.70,0:04:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are, the more terrifying it becomes.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.13,0:04:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because once you realise that there is no
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.73,0:04:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way for you to avoid this idea of fear
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.10,0:04:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything is dangerous. Of course
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.76,0:04:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the other side does this as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.76,0:04:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is from videos I found online.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.54,0:04:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the last video frame before the blast.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.01,0:04:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the last video frame before a car bomb
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.90,0:04:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or roadside bomb or something like this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.63,0:04:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explodes. And the same here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.90,0:04:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's the same technique. The more I
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.86,0:04:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was... the more research I did,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.81,0:04:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this big topic of fear and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.54,0:05:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perception within conflict,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.77,0:05:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to think more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.31,0:05:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the topic of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.96,0:05:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the interesting aspect
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.54,0:05:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be to look at images from, of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.30,0:05:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance. Because that would show us
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.54,0:05:15.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these mechanisms from the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.100,0:05:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the strange thing is, we talk so much
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.11,0:05:21.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about surveillance. And much of what we
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.05,0:05:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about is image based. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.78,0:05:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Big Brother is watching you.'
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.35,0:05:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That has something to with images.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.43,0:05:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we take it for granted that there's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.43,0:05:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing for us to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.20,0:05:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Big Brother is watching us, but is hidden
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.97,0:05:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind some curtains. But I came to realise
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.90,0:05:38.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually, withing the very unique
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.33,0:05:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history of Germany we have this huge
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.50,0:05:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunity in the Stasi archives that are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.86,0:05:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessible to the public, to do, try to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.47,0:05:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show what Big Brother actually sees.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.67,0:05:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I approached them because I could only
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.88,0:05:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find written references to images they have.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.84,0:06:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And asked them: "Why?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.94,0:06:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could never find any images. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.83,0:06:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do they still exist? And they told me:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.57,0:06:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Sure, come over." And that was the start
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.34,0:06:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a three year, or lengthy, research project.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.02,0:06:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And first I am going to show you images
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.35,0:06:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was then, in the end, not really
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.01,0:06:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in. Images we know exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.39,0:06:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, from now on, that's authentic Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.49,0:06:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material. There is some from the Czech Republic
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.41,0:06:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ČSSR. I will point them out and in the end
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.54,0:06:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is some from the BND, I'll point
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.99,0:06:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those out as well. That is something
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.90,0:06:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we expect to see: shots taken through
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.38,0:06:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,button holes and surveillance industries.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.35,0:06:47.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the US embassy in East Berlin.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.71,0:06:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the entrance doors were all under
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.25,0:06:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constant surveillance. With photo cameras
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.14,0:06:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and video cameras. But be aware, in the 80s
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.92,0:07:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the video equipment was not that sophisticated.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.92,0:07:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, at night time, the Stasi did record
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.49,0:07:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eight hours of darkness. But it still
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.58,0:07:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ended up in the files. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.40,0:07:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the state of mind we are talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.67,0:07:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, everyone was photographed,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.62,0:07:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we have, quite often we find post
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.43,0:07:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boxes, where everyone posting a letter is
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.08,0:07:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photographed. No matter, who he or she is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.88,0:07:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if it's an elderly lady. Remember
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.77,0:07:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these images, because I am going to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.18,0:07:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reference to them later. I was more interested
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.94,0:07:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in something like this. So, the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.03,0:07:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internal view. And now, two years ago I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.11,0:07:40.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was able to publish a book and now I am
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.100,0:07:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to somewhat follow the structure
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.55,0:07:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the book, because I was really
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.23,0:07:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in how do you become a spy?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.87,0:07:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I encountered a lot of material
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.97,0:07:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was meant for training purposes.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.73,0:07:55.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These images are from a training session
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.95,0:07:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how to disguise yourself as regular citiizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.75,0:08:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laughter
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.39,0:08:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I found quite strange, because
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.29,0:08:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,normally that's nothing you should have to\Nlearn.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.26,0:08:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still, and then you have a soldier.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.74,0:08:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These ordinary citizens: some of them look
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.83,0:08:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like they live now in Berlin, amongst the\Nhipsters
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.17,0:08:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this one laughter that was entitled
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.04,0:08:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Western Tourist' laughter
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.79,0:08:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another tourist, like, the photographer.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.22,0:08:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the Stasi photographed something that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.42,0:08:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tried to look like a photographer. So.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.36,0:08:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Women work for the Stasi as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.85,0:08:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing, disguising manuals.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.30,0:08:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you need to dress up like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.73,0:08:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in what circumstance would you use
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.24,0:08:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like this. He looks like from
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.08,0:08:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.41,0:09:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But be aware, that's not meant to be funny.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.81,0:09:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was not meant to be seen by any one
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.72,0:09:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of you or me. That was meant to train agents.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.50,0:09:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are going to see later it was
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.72,0:09:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually used, here we have a hitchhiker,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.52,0:09:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a motor way around Berlin. And that is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.81,0:09:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the ČSSR archives to which I was
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.73,0:09:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,granted acces earlier this year. They did
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.77,0:09:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same thing, so it's not just something
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.35,0:09:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Stasi did, they did it as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.52,0:09:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you had other certain aspects of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.18,0:09:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to disguise, like how to wear a wig.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.11,0:09:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or how to stick a fake mustache.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.63,0:09:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For privacy concerns, the images had to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.20,0:09:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be pixeled. But I could see the faces
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.91,0:09:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while researching the archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.80,0:09:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much funnier, actually. So, to stick fake
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.69,0:10:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mustaches... Then, again from the ČSSR,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.36,0:10:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could also disguise cars. Like,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.22,0:10:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw something that's from a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.29,0:10:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,steel mill in the ČSSR. And then, in a way
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.17,0:10:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a disguised stroller, with a video camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.03,0:10:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is actually a video camera from
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.66,0:10:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Japan, they imported this type of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.77,0:10:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,equipment quite frequently. Then you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.81,0:10:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encounter other material, like how to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.44,0:10:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transmit secret signals and how to transmit
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.24,0:10:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,codes, the codes are not known now,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.90,0:10:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still, the photos exist and they have
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.48,0:10:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a strange beauty in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.42,0:10:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, once you got your training, you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.31,0:10:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had got to be taught how to arrest someone.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.92,0:11:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you first knock the door, and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.62,0:11:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you arrest him and - notice the piece
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.40,0:11:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of cloth on the floor, cause they didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.98,0:11:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to ruin his white shirt -
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.16,0:11:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe he wants to fight, so you have
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.55,0:11:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight laughter So. But the Stasi\Nalways
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.56,0:11:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wins. And again, the ČSSR they took things
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.91,0:11:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very seriously. Things they wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.87,0:11:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,escalate much quicker. So you have to shoot
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.28,0:11:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people - booh - and again,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.00,0:11:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it quickly escalates, he has to be shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.31,0:11:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, when you know that, you have to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.55,0:11:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be taught how to follow people around.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.18,0:11:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This - sometimes you find these very
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.85,0:11:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elaborate stories where you follow people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.14,0:11:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around, this is just a very short exception.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.23,0:11:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, she is at the bakery, and then she goes
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.10,0:12:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the doctor's office, which is already
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.46,0:12:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something the Stasi maybe shouldn't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.33,0:12:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still - and then she does a phone call
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.34,0:12:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here she is smiling at the camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.35,0:12:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, the whole thing is staged for
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.19,0:12:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the colleagues. But this sometimes is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.35,0:12:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very lengthy, you see this guy shopping,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.31,0:12:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shopping, and walking at Alexanderplatz,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.16,0:12:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meeting an other guy... It's like a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.25,0:12:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photo love story. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.53,0:12:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they take the car and he gets off
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.91,0:12:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the car in the middle of the woods, and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.67,0:12:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then he walks and an other car comes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.04,0:12:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they meet...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.82,0:12:36.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why do you take such pictures?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.43,0:12:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the point of that? But still,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.27,0:12:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ends up at the archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.91,0:12:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is part of the training operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.10,0:12:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the training is done,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.39,0:12:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This then is a real surveillance photograph,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.78,0:12:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see a black arrow, that's supposedly
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.27,0:12:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the person they were shadowing, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.09,0:12:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see, 'okay, we are not in the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.78,0:13:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,training manual anymore, but we are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.34,0:13:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already a step ahead, and that's then the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.64,0:13:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real material. He or she is followed
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.45,0:13:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the country. Again, the Czech Republic,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.13,0:13:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have, like, ordinary citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.49,0:13:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being shadowed entering a house.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.63,0:13:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After the shadowing comes also the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.82,0:13:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breach of privacy. And here we have the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.10,0:13:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room of a teenager, which looks very
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.21,0:13:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innocent to us - but I am very positive
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.65,0:13:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this - I guess it's a guy -, that he
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.62,0:13:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never entered university in East Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.58,0:13:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Due to the fact that they could prove that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.27,0:13:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was a fan of 'Wile E. Coyote' and the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.07,0:13:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,United States, or so they thought, they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.94,0:13:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couldt prove. And they took such images
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.42,0:13:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as evidence for your thinking. Which is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.51,0:13:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a problem of a surveillance operation,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.22,0:13:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would argue. And then here we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.40,0:14:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I don't know if you can see - there
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.56,0:14:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be the biggest Madonna fan of all of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.44,0:14:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Communist Eastern Europe. laughter
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.51,0:14:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing, probably would never be able
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.55,0:14:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to study law, or medicine, or something
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.87,0:14:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that. And then you have, frequently,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.08,0:14:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- sorry, cover your eyes maybe - frequently
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.15,0:14:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have images such as this. And that was
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.93,0:14:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,classified as 'Western Pornography', and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.99,0:14:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the funny thing about this classification
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.22,0:14:34.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, very often you find files, that read
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.67,0:14:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Western Pornography', and the photographs
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.86,0:14:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are missing. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.51,0:14:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, someone went to this appartment,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.72,0:14:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documented everything, archived it, and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.14,0:14:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe the guy was persecuted, and when no
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.26,0:14:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one was looking, they took the pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.56,0:14:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which then shows the absurd nature of the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.07,0:15:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system. For me, this is a very... key image.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.02,0:15:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a set of images. But this is actually
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.49,0:15:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the images that brought me to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.63,0:15:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contacting the Stasi Archive. I read about
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.63,0:15:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those images, this is a Polaroid, as you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.99,0:15:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see by the white background.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.16,0:15:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, as a matter of fact, the Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.87,0:15:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frequently purchased Polaroid films or
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.95,0:15:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confiscated ones sent to East Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.34,0:15:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reason for that was, when they
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.73,0:15:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broke into peoples' homes, and you should
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.97,0:15:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never find out, the easiest thing was: You
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.48,0:15:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,break in, you look around, what's interesting,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.32,0:15:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you take a Polaroid, and with the help of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.52,0:15:39.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Polaroid you are able to put everything
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.51,0:15:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back into the original position.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.90,0:15:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is an absolutely brutal image.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.99,0:15:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it shows the deepest possible
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.27,0:15:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breach of privacy imaginable.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.21,0:15:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most people in fact never found out
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.92,0:15:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their apartment was searched, and that was
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.56,0:16:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolutely illegal, even in East Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.24,0:16:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, so it was very revealing last year,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.22,0:16:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a German TV Station thought it was a clever
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.78,0:16:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea to bring me, hook me up with a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.95,0:16:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,former Stasi general. And he - And I told
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.81,0:16:13.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,him about the Polaroids. And he said:
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.17,0:16:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, but, eh, ähm, please, keep in mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.71,0:16:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've, I never broke into peoples' apartments."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.99,0:16:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said: "Yeah, well, did you order it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.60,0:16:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yes I ordered it, but I never broke
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.74,0:16:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into peoples' houses!"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.09,0:16:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought, what stupid excuse is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.30,0:16:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who then is responsible? Because normally
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.01,0:16:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the excuse is always, oh, I was ordered to.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.94,0:16:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And his excuse was, yeah, I just ordered
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.97,0:16:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them, but I didn't really, why would
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.71,0:16:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do it? {\i1}gasping{\i0} I just ordered\Nit...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.89,0:16:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was not my intention... So that really was
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.62,0:16:47.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing to me, like, the state of mind
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.47,0:16:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within such a system. So, you have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.52,0:16:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,folders and folders and folders of those
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.06,0:16:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Polaroids. And when they found something
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.26,0:16:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incriminating, they might have returned
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.86,0:17:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few days later with the police and a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.07,0:17:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search warrant. Because they needed a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.64,0:17:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search warrant, even in East Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.15,0:17:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, and now we realise, even though it looks
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.84,0:17:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,funny, the way they disguise themselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.15,0:17:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's meant seriously. And it's a terrible,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.65,0:17:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brutal system. Which you also see in these
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.14,0:17:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,images from the ČSSR, where the people
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.22,0:17:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are forced to stage their own attempt of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.06,0:17:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fleeing the country. So they were made
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.62,0:17:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stage the thing they were arrested for.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.00,0:17:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even a young child was made to reenact
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.09,0:17:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their failed attempt to flee the country,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.35,0:17:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is brutal.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.86,0:17:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, so, sometimes you find images that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.63,0:17:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are completely out of any category.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.98,0:17:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.13,0:17:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like a guinea pig - I told you earlier - to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.97,0:17:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think back - remember the post box with
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.97,0:17:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the old lady. That's an image of one of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.59,0:18:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those files. So you have an image of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.61,0:18:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a post box, you see it, taken from a high
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.72,0:18:09.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,angle. And, maybe, out of a private apartment.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.03,0:18:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my, and then, you have this shot after
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.86,0:18:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shot after shot. And two pictures of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.15,0:18:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this guinea pig.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.83,0:18:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the surveillance operation
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.03,0:18:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continues. And what I read out of that is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.61,0:18:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was in a private apartment, and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.54,0:18:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was bored - and there ran this guinea pig.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.06,0:18:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he lies flat on the ground,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.85,0:18:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takes two shots, and then continues the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.32,0:18:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance operation. Knowing, that the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.39,0:18:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material is going to end up at the archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.78,0:18:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And gets its archive number.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.96,0:18:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's German bureaucracy, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.55,0:18:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very revealing - so these guys, that's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.19,0:18:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually a British spy, there were some
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.25,0:18:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially registered Western spies within
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.21,0:18:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,East Germany. The Russians had the same
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.25,0:19:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing for West Germany. And the Stasi's
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.31,0:19:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,job was to follow them and document what
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.71,0:19:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were doing. They couldn't do anything
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.37,0:19:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to them, they could only document it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.30,0:19:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you find many of these images.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.87,0:19:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A spy taking a picture of a spy, in an
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.82,0:19:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,endless circle of surveillance. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.83,0:19:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what's very revealing is the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.86,0:19:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I tried to gain access to the, to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.58,0:19:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their material - it's still classified.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.53,0:19:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.41,0:19:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am very positive I know what the images
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.24,0:19:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show: It's very much the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.70,0:19:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.63,0:19:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, so, I tried to understand what
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.50,0:19:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these people are thinking. But, it turns out,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.23,0:19:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they were fighting each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.84,0:19:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they seemed to share a very common
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.19,0:19:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state of mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.57,0:19:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, so, that looks like the end point
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.52,0:19:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.48,0:19:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, it's not.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.26,0:19:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one step further: Stasi agents,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.38,0:20:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching Stasi agents watching other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.09,0:20:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a triangle of surveillance, ja.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.56,0:20:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Common as well, never be sure about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.35,0:20:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your colleagues, they could be up to something.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.15,0:20:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, better spy on them as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.62,0:20:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, I present you, the absolute
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.24,0:20:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,high point and end point of surveillance:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.14,0:20:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is the surveillance selfie.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.80,0:20:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.95,0:20:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I give you another one.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.40,0:20:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they knew it was going to end up at
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.90,0:20:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the archive. So they are spying on
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.81,0:20:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves, while spying on others, while
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.99,0:20:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are spying on themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.07,0:20:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's this: it's almost meditative.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.79,0:20:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now, who are these people?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.33,0:20:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we are really at the internal view.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.58,0:20:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Stasi looks at itself. Here is a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.25,0:21:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group photo. Remember this guy -
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.37,0:21:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we encounter him later.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.31,0:21:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That happens to be the phone surveillance\Nunit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.99,0:21:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Highest ranking officials here,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.94,0:21:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the boss of the whole bunch.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.43,0:21:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, of course, the Stasi, Eastern Europe...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.92,0:21:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they like their medals. And then an
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.56,0:21:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,award ceremony. Flowers, medal, piece of paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.70,0:21:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is the guy from the phone
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.76,0:21:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance unit, again, so, he gets
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.92,0:21:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really shabby flowers. And, piece of paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.55,0:21:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's odd: see this, the wax seal? And,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.51,0:21:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's burnt at the side?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.10,0:21:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because: He was knighted.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.33,0:21:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A knight of the phone surveillance unit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.66,0:21:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}timid laughter, applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.59,0:21:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See this, to the Non-Germans here:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.70,0:22:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Section Symbol stands for the Code of\NLaw,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.67,0:22:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this isn't widely used outside Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.38,0:22:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He knew that they were breaking the law,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.52,0:22:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're mocking it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.20,0:22:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're mocking it with this ceremony.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.44,0:22:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, here, you are the knight
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.92,0:22:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the phone surveillance unit.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.72,0:22:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congratulations. Haha, what a good joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.13,0:22:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another set of images, which is very
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.99,0:22:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing, is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.18,0:22:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Strange finding in the Stasi archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.01,0:22:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A strange combination, see. The bishop
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.16,0:22:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a soccer player, and back there,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.98,0:22:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the blue shirt, that's a Party youth
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.93,0:22:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,member. And see the ballerina there?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.97,0:22:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Strange. The guy in the suit: It's his
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.46,0:22:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,birthday. And he is the boss of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.61,0:22:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theses are all highest ranking Stasi officials.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.42,0:22:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're surprising him with a birthday\Nparty.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.91,0:23:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the surprise is to dress up as
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.89,0:23:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those people you put under surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.00,0:23:10.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, see, Party Youth, soccer player,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.21,0:23:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another soccer player, the ballerina.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.41,0:23:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beautiful, very beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.85,0:23:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soccer fan, of course you have to put
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.20,0:23:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them under surveillance. A doctor!
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.49,0:23:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, who cares about the right
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.20,0:23:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to confidentiality of doctors. A judge.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.71,0:23:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, you have to put that judge under\Nsurveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.56,0:23:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a disguise, a dress-up,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.29,0:23:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hardly to be understood outside Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.91,0:23:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's dressed up as a peace activist.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.40,0:23:48.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wears this 'Swords to ploughshares'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.95,0:23:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,("Schwerter zu Pflugscharen') sticker
Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.30,0:23:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his head, and some other peace stickers
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.33,0:23:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there, and he is very proud of himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.42,0:24:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is that? Because it was such a successful
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.08,0:24:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,costume...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.96,0:24:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think: 'Where did the get the costume from?'
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.07,0:24:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The easiest thing, for someone
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.34,0:24:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like him, would be to take it from
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.25,0:24:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody he put in jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.65,0:24:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you could at least lose access
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.41,0:24:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to university for wearing one of these stickers.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.07,0:24:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least. Or you could serve some, short,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.17,0:24:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, but some time in jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.24,0:24:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could lose access to good housing and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.80,0:24:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything. Why is he able to mock it?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.32,0:24:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because he is the one who would decide
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.05,0:24:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether or not you lose access...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.30,0:24:38.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the terrible thing about these\Nimages.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.05,0:24:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are very revealing.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.71,0:24:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--I am very fast...--
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.66,0:24:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, these images are now, what,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.47,0:24:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,25, 30, years old. Why do I think they
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.88,0:24:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are still relevant today?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.11,0:25:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's because of something like this:
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.38,0:25:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a short period, after
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.81,0:25:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fall of the Berlin Wall, so the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.82,0:25:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wall fell in November '89, and the Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.36,0:25:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wasn't desolved until January. So there
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.23,0:25:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a very short period of time
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.76,0:25:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the Stasi could actually try to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.39,0:25:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroy material. They managed to do
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.66,0:25:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroy a huge bunch of material.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.70,0:25:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not very important sets - except for
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.50,0:25:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,espionage, that's almost gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.62,0:25:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if it would have been up to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.34,0:25:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would have been the fate of all these\Nimages.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.93,0:25:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Destruction.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.06,0:25:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would have had never been able to look
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.68,0:25:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at these images. And,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.69,0:25:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though we don't know what these images
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.22,0:25:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stand for - that's a group of gay men -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.86,0:25:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they infiltrated it and it was
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.78,0:25:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compromising to one of their colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.35,0:25:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they infiltrated it, they did things
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.49,0:26:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that. But, they tried to destroy it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.48,0:26:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, 25 years after the fall of the Berlin\NWall,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.41,0:26:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more now, why do I
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.36,0:26:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still think this material is really relevant?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.62,0:26:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am going to show you something
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.95,0:26:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's even more special and more rare,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.63,0:26:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the material I showed you just now.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.55,0:26:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's this:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.02,0:26:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the course of approximately a year
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.82,0:26:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to convince the BND to grant me
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.73,0:26:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to their material. Which would
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.17,0:26:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be amazing because in Germany we have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.22,0:26:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one society with the two
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.12,0:26:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opposing systems. So the view on the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.76,0:26:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cold war would be absolutely astonishing
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.98,0:26:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we would be able to look at all
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.30,0:26:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the material.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.08,0:26:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, after a year, I got the call,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.25,0:26:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they told me: "yes, we have something
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.73,0:26:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you, come over."
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.62,0:26:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was actually, they have a small,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.22,0:26:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relatively small section in Berlin.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.67,0:26:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went there with my Scanner and they
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.92,0:27:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave me the - I would call them -
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.92,0:27:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,14 most boring pictures of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.91,0:27:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the BND history.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.52,0:27:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a match box.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.51,0:27:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.51,0:27:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.98,0:27:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, when I looked at these images,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.07,0:27:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was like, 'are you kidding me?'
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.80,0:27:21.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do they show?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.31,0:27:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this guy was very serious and told me:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.39,0:27:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Unfortunately I can't tell you because
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.88,0:27:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information is still classified."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.76,0:27:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.85,0:27:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, he told me, as far as
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.31,0:27:39.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he knows, these are the only images
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.51,0:27:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they ever released.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.45,0:27:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, yeah, toothpaste.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.29,0:27:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There´s a huge problem I have
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.00,0:27:51.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this, of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.07,0:27:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not with this young lady in particular,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.97,0:27:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in general with these images.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.60,0:28:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can decide which images to show.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.78,0:28:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the guys I was in contact with\Ntold me:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.88,0:28:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Of course we have these disguise pictures...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.15,0:28:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dress up, and things like that."
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.83,0:28:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, keep in mind, even though back then
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.20,0:28:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he might have been the lowest in the hierarchy.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.71,0:28:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He might be the head of the department now.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.60,0:28:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or the one who brought in the guy who is now
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.70,0:28:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the head of the department.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.48,0:28:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course it's not in their interest
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.07,0:28:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for these images to be released.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.18,0:28:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I think, 'but it's in my interest'
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.16,0:28:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in our interest, to decide, what images
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.72,0:28:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are worth looking at or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.56,0:28:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is another problem with images
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.99,0:28:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this. We have almost nothing that is
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.07,0:28:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessible from the Western archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.18,0:28:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is rare, this is very special.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.95,0:28:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looks like shit, but it's very special.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.12,0:28:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have a trove from the Eastern archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.05,0:29:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is always, like the Merkel, and\Nlike, everyone --
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.82,0:29:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when one of the Eastern countries decides,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.82,0:29:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'maybe we should limit access to our former\NStalinist archive...'
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.30,0:29:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they say 'no, don't do that!!'
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.46,0:29:18.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'it must be open' - but what happens when\Nwe
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.05,0:29:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have access to just one side?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.58,0:29:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And see all the terrible things they are doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.78,0:29:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And have no access to the other side?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.09,0:29:29.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not saying that the BND did the same\Nterrible things
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.29,0:29:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Stasi did. But the BND was certainly breaking
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.27,0:29:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our laws as well...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.66,0:29:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, but it does look more innnocent,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.30,0:29:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we only know, have access to a very
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.35,0:29:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terrible looking archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.73,0:29:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we look to West Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.56,0:29:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like: 'Nothing there.'
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.37,0:29:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Must be fine...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.19,0:29:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a terrible thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.25,0:29:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a lot wrong with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.96,0:30:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- I am almost at the end, I was rushing through...sorry\N--
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.60,0:30:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- But…I can show you two…well --
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.65,0:30:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just because I was too quick: from the Czech\Narchive,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.96,0:30:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two videos. audio isn't important.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.00,0:30:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, sorry, maybe it's not going to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.90,0:30:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems things escalated much quicker.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.82,0:30:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the ČSSR... than in ... Sorry...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.16,0:30:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Live in the ČSSR must have been very dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.49,0:31:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These weapons, everywhere...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.49,0:31:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}soft, pacy music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.21,0:31:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the best thing comes now:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.42,0:31:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.62,0:31:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who would carry something like that, there.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.02,0:31:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.63,0:31:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just, if you wonder - that's a very long\Nfilm -
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.25,0:31:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's just a short part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.84,0:31:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are ever attacked by someone with a\Nchair...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.06,0:32:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[in German] Ne, das ist nicht wichtig.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.74,0:32:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audio ist ganz furchtbar.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.33,0:32:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like, six or seven times he shows that.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.88,0:32:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now he shows it again.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.54,0:32:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then it is going to be used, but look
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.99,0:32:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closely how it is used, the technique they\Njust learned.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.80,0:32:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, do this the next time you are attacked\Nby someone with a chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.56,0:32:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, he is going to be attacked by someone\Nwith a chair,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.17,0:32:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watch closely, he implements it quite properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.33,0:32:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.81,0:32:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he didn't really.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.76,0:32:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, things always, in this long film, always\Nescalate very quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.61,0:32:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here are two very long shots,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.78,0:32:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are supposed to spot them, that are
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.04,0:33:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unnecessarily long...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.35,0:33:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.92,0:33:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, of course they find the black guy smuggling.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.17,0:33:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he explains to him now, in English:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.44,0:33:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Do you have more?' And he says no, no.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.72,0:33:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And still, the porn is in the shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.17,0:33:26.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he tells him, yea, it's going to\Nbe
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.95,0:33:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very serious if you don't confess now.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.39,0:33:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the black guy says. no, I don't have anything
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.21,0:33:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to confess...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.75,0:33:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now the guy on the left gets suspicious.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.26,0:33:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at him.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.56,0:33:44.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very suspicious, this black young man.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.91,0:33:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He doesn't want to sign his confession.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.36,0:33:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He gets suspicious, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.66,0:34:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very, very, very suspicious.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.85,0:34:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, fortunately, the camera man made the\Nslight move to the left...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.00,0:34:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not to zoom in on the penis [sic]
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.16,0:34:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, he doesn't have anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.65,0:34:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it turns out, he has something.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.61,0:34:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because he's black and suspicious looking.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.54,0:34:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.66,0:34:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, he's moving his arm.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.63,0:34:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.97,0:34:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it turns out his arm is not broken.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.09,0:35:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, that was somewhat long, but I rushed\Nthrough before.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.85,0:35:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for some reason, he hides batteries
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.39,0:35:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his cast.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.38,0:35:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.25,0:35:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, he could bring in the watches, but he'd\Nbetter hide the batteries.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.08,0:35:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that is, whoo....
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.56,0:35:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So - any questions?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.58,0:35:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.03,0:35:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.51,0:35:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: I hope you got what you paid for...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.14,0:35:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.97,0:35:55.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Maybe before we start Q&A, everybody\Nwho wants to leave, leave now.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.93,0:35:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: oh wow.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.70,0:36:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We are going to take one minute so\Nyou can leave
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.13,0:36:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the others who want to stay have it quiet\Nfor the Q&A
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.19,0:36:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And remember to use the rating system.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.80,0:36:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Oh, I brought post cards, if you want\Nsome.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.86,0:36:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we have to make fun of them as much\Nas we can
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.64,0:36:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.02,0:36:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're all the same motive, but take as many\Nas you want, if you want any.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.61,0:37:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.02,0:37:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}somenone too quietly to be understood{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.05,0:37:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Uh, with the microphone, I guess
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.24,0:37:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: There are two microphones for Q&A, \Nno, four even, if you need them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.28,0:37:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have questions from the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.12,0:37:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Five seconds.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.59,0:37:40.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. So, we will start with you!
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.32,0:37:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Just a short question, first, thanks for\Nthe wonderful talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.44,0:37:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very very interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.61,0:37:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you give us the title of your book, please?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.64,0:37:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Oh, it's pretty much top if you google\Nmy name,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.53,0:38:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's available in your local book store, or,\Nif you want, Amazon.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.00,0:38:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's still available, but there are not that\Nmany
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.38,0:38:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copies left, {\i1}starts acting{\i0} so you should all \Nget it as soon as possible... {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.21,0:38:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just 'Top Secret' and Simon Menner...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.61,0:38:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or just Menner, my family doesn't write that\Nmany books... {\i1}more laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.38,0:38:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you, over here…
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.52,0:38:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Would you be so kind to go back to the\Nphoto with Coyote and the American flag?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.96,0:38:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I thought I saw Yugoslav air transport\Nlogo on the ...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.61,0:38:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, YAT,\Nthere you see it.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.11,0:38:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Oh yea, here.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.07,0:38:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: He flew with, now it's called Air Serbia...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.13,0:38:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: That must have been the reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.15,0:38:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Yes, it must have, I just wanted to check...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.35,0:38:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Sure, thanks!
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.77,0:38:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applause
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.77,0:38:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We have a question from the internet...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.00,0:38:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: Yes, frankie2 is asking, how\Ndoes this
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.61,0:39:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compare to today's surveillance?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.14,0:39:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: The problem is, in a way, that is a
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.61,0:39:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,treasure trove, but it's a very weird one.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.31,0:39:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I could decide, freely choose, what material\Nto look at,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.04,0:39:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would definitely look at, try to look at,\Nthe
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.69,0:39:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last two weeks of NSA's surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.67,0:39:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like we all would.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.29,0:39:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, unfortunately, this is as close as we\Ncan get this kind of material.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.09,0:39:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But keep in mind, back in it's days the Stasi\Nwas at least as sophisticated as the BND.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.80,0:39:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, they were more advanced in the technology\Nthey used.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.43,0:39:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Stasi would definitely use the same
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.36,0:39:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,techniques BND and CIA and everyone else uses\Ntoday.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.21,0:39:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would try to listen in on our phone conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.32,0:39:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That might not be the right material to look at\Nfrom a technological point of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.96,0:40:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think this material is \Nvery interesting and important
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.53,0:40:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to find out something about their
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.63,0:40:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state of mind. Which is, absurd. And keep\Nin mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.88,0:40:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the excuse you hear from the NSA,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.11,0:40:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they just want to protect the law, and that\Nis why they break the law,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.17,0:40:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's an excuse you regularly find with the\NStasi as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.21,0:40:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you find parallels, and that's why it's\Nvery important to look at this material.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.94,0:40:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though it's very old.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.12,0:40:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And back then, the whole archive, consists\Nout
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.05,0:40:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of somewhere between one and two million photographs.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.57,0:40:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is absurdly little, if you think that\Nthe system
Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.87,0:40:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was in operation for forty years.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.89,0:40:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's fifty thousand picture a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.55,0:40:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had 85 thousand agents.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.01,0:40:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From today's standards, that's nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.80,0:40:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, they would be far more sophisticated\NI guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.79,0:40:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you, we have a question over\Nthere, is that a question, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.84,0:41:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Firstly, thank you for your talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.15,0:41:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you showed that some of that archive had\Nbeen
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.51,0:41:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroyed or attempts had been made.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.53,0:41:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there was still much to look through.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.68,0:41:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens in future generations,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.30,0:41:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given that now surveillance is done all digitally,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.56,0:41:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said the Stasi had a number of weeks from\Nwhen the wall fell,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.90,0:41:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they had time to destroy things,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.90,0:41:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given now how quickly and easy it is \Nto erase digital
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.51,0:41:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information, what do you say to people coming\Nafter you?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.51,0:41:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Future generations, who might want to find\Nsimilar things
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.39,0:41:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in dissolved surveillance operations.\NAre they completely stuffed?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.36,0:41:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Unless there is going to be a revolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.32,0:41:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not going to be able to look at anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.54,0:41:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would be my guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.43,0:41:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you need this abrupt shift in the\Nwhole system,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.05,0:41:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that pretty much decapitates this operation.\NAnd so,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.48,0:42:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they lost everything, and now it is frozen\Nin time.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.07,0:42:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the guy at the BND told me:
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.20,0:42:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's up to us to decide what we reveal and\Nwhat not, because we have a veto."
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.32,0:42:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, nothing is then revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.54,0:42:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.87,0:42:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, as long as this stays the policy, and\Nit is the policy currently everywhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.11,0:42:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what I understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.87,0:42:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not going to be able to look at anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.88,0:42:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not very optimistic in that respect.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.62,0:42:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next Question: How do you \Ndecide
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.10,0:42:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what faces to anonymise, and which not?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.04,0:42:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Besides the Czech Republic archive…\N…with the Czech Images I did it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.04,0:42:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With those images you can do anything and\Nwhatever you want, and that's weird.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.44,0:42:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And terrible, in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.15,0:42:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the Stasi images, the archive had to\Ndecide.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.94,0:43:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they decided on the basis that once you\Nwork for,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.02,0:43:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in an official position, in times of historical\Nimportance,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.08,0:43:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- like that - you lose your privacy rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.36,0:43:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't share the same privacy rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.11,0:43:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, once we could find written evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.50,0:43:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a person shown in the image\Nwas working for the Stasi,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.86,0:43:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like him or her,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.93,0:43:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they lost their right of privacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.17,0:43:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the slightest doubt remained, it had to\Nbe pixeled.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.15,0:43:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it wasn't done by me.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.84,0:43:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,German privacy rights are very strict.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.78,0:43:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next Questioner: You said, when you talked\Nabout surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.83,0:43:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching each other, that this would be the\Nhighest state of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.53,0:43:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But don't you think that now there is a much\Nhigher state,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.15,0:43:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also before things were much more clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.97,0:43:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody knew that there was a regime
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.77,0:44:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to stay in power and trying to put\Ndown everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.29,0:44:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now, in a situation where they don't even\Nhave to break the law,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.83,0:44:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they just make it legal to surveil, like we\Ncan see in France,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.66,0:44:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now with the law on intelligence,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.61,0:44:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that passed just after the Charlie murders,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:14.55,0:44:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now we got the murders again,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.46,0:44:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have people who have
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.36,0:44:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay in their home, because
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.80,0:44:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the intelligence has said that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.21,0:44:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they might protest, and they don't have
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.77,0:44:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go through a judge, actually making it \Nlegal.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.12,0:44:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are at a stage were people surveil\Neach other.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.28,0:44:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: That's Facebook today.\N- Yes, somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.10,0:44:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.40,0:44:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the general problem with survellance operations
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.42,0:44:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I would argue - and I hope someone here is\Nfrom the BND and they come forward
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.35,0:44:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I give a talk to them, \Nbecause I would really like to find out.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.10,0:44:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So please, my email was there -
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.23,0:45:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would argue, is that this type \Nof surveillance can not work.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:00.98,0:45:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you are trying to find proof for
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.34,0:45:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a state of mind, is thoughts, \Nis not something you did,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.81,0:45:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but some things you think about, \Nor you might wanna do.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.97,0:45:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And photography - I am a photographer -
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.61,0:45:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know how bad photography is.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.50,0:45:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You were looking at images of landscapes,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.92,0:45:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where no sniper is visible, and each one of\Nyou saw it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.21,0:45:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how bad photography is as evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.12,0:45:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this can be proof for everything.\NAnd nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.24,0:45:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: They don't need photography now.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.27,0:45:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: No, they use it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.47,0:45:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: They just bring the paper to the prefect\Npolice,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.01,0:45:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he says 'okay, they're dangerous', and\Ntells
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.29,0:45:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them they have to stay at home.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.80,0:45:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Ja, but they need proof or evidence for\Nsomething.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.63,0:45:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: They don't.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.21,0:45:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Maybe not... Now you leave behind such\Na trail of evidence yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:55.74,0:45:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That could be read somewhere in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.41,0:46:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens in ten years, when in the US
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.05,0:46:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like smoking, drinking \Nisn't socially acceptable anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.77,0:46:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens to you then, with your Facebook\Nentry
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.46,0:46:12.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's twenty years old then.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.99,0:46:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a weird system, yeah, but…\N{\i1}shrugging{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.03,0:46:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We have another question from the\Ninternet.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.24,0:46:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: Somebody from IRC is asking\Nwhether you have tried
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.44,0:46:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to contact other agencies?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.19,0:46:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Yes, like the BND, which was not very successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.41,0:46:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And regarding the spies taking pictures of spies\NI tried with the British archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.17,0:46:39.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know these pictures still exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.19,0:46:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know where they exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.02,0:46:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But... sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.07,0:46:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the Czech, I was asked by the Goethe\NInstitut to approach them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.81,0:46:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was difficult and too lengthy \Nto explain now,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.36,0:46:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very difficult working with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.59,0:46:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Language wise and because of the structure
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.17,0:47:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Archive itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.46,0:47:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they were very open, and if you want to\Ndo more research,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.89,0:47:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to the Czech Republic first, because it's\Nmuch easier to work with them
Dialogue: 0,0:47:11.05,0:47:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a bureaucratic level, than with the Germans.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.33,0:47:21.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Germans are, in a way, more organised.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.05,0:47:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.40,0:47:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they are Germans.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.19,0:47:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Your question:
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.13,0:47:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: How hard was it to get the material, although\Nit is not classified anymore?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.29,0:47:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much time did you invest?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.51,0:47:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: The hardest time was the waiting periods\Nin between requests.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:41.54,0:47:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,German bureaucracy takes forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.16,0:47:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I am quite sure, I am from West Germany,\Nbut now I have a huge file in this archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.54,0:47:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they compile everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.60,0:47:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they keep track of every picture you're\Nlooking at.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.75,0:48:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the funny thing is, it's not hard at all,\Nyou can do it as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.06,0:48:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to be a researcher.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.78,0:48:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the archive considers research a human\Nright.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.36,0:48:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I learned then, and it's a very convenient\Nthing.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:09.32,0:48:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some elderly Stasi agents who spend\Ntheir retirement researching something something.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.60,0:48:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.69,0:48:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the weird thing was, most of the pictures,\Nno one had looked at before.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.39,0:48:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That could be proven, because they keep track\Nof everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.47,0:48:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The process is lengthy but very easy
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.95,0:48:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: When you decided to dig through the archive,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.94,0:48:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did you have to apply for a certain section.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.30,0:48:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or could you just walk in and say, show me\Nall your pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.89,0:48:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: No, they were very open, they may have\Nclosed after me.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.10,0:48:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For them, it was strangely overwhelming,\Nthe amount of feedback they got
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.78,0:48:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after my book came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.70,0:49:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they want to be left alone,\NI think… (laughing)
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.44,0:49:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to formulate it quite clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.48,0:49:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: What exactly, your aim?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.05,0:49:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: A theme. But for me, because it was new\Nto me, and to them as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.17,0:49:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the topic, 'Surveillance and Photography',\Nwas very broad.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.94,0:49:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now they get requests like 'We want to see\Nwhat Simon Menner saw.'
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.75,0:49:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't accept something like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.70,0:49:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you have to come up with something more\Nclever.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.49,0:49:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: And how much time did you spend in their\Ndungeons?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.30,0:49:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Well, it took three years...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.18,0:49:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On and off, but it's mostly waiting,\Nin between.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:44.88,0:49:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be patient.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.22,0:49:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay, your question.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.22,0:49:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Modern state agencies, \Nincluding NSA and BND, have this
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.84,0:49:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentality of 'Collect it all' passive intelligence.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.71,0:50:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has this ability to minimise the impact\Nand damage.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.83,0:50:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No human eyes looking at specific pieces of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.89,0:50:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course we know that's not true,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.16,0:50:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can zero-in if they want to.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.66,0:50:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doesn't this make it very difficult,\Nas an archivist how do you
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.10,0:50:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to understand the state of mind,\Nwhen you have so much data, unprocessed?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.22,0:50:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you get in their mind, filtering through,\Nnot no documents, but a hundred million documents?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.92,0:50:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: One has to be very careful with such material,\Nbecause you look through their eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.17,0:50:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That can be dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.86,0:50:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I try not to provide that much\N'background information'
Dialogue: 0,0:50:44.33,0:50:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, that would be text compiled by the\NStasi agents.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:50.24,0:50:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is guilty and not guilty written\Nin the text.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.98,0:50:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't want to look at these pictures\Nthrough their eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.50,0:51:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still I find it very revealing \Nto look at the raw material.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.68,0:51:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Stasi would have collected all
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.00,0:51:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they had been able, they opened every parcel\Nto East Germany, every letter.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.59,0:51:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paranoia wise, they were several steps ahead\Nof the NSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.81,0:51:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a university, and when you were studying\Nthere, you could do your PhD, but you
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.74,0:51:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weren't allowed to keep your notes during\Nthe day,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.26,0:51:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were locked away.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:32.80,0:51:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In safes with doors on two sides...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:35.70,0:51:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they would copy them at night,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:38.34,0:51:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you weren't allowed to keep your PhD thesis,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.78,0:51:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it immediately became top secret.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.53,0:51:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that really is paranoia.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.09,0:51:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can not prove it. And that's \Nthe problem with the whole thing,\N
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.44,0:51:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because one side remains closed.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:58.45,0:52:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I guess they are\Nquite happy with that situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.14,0:52:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can still say, no, we did something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.16,0:52:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we can't tell you, but it's not like\Nthis.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.62,0:52:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is very vague, but I think the state\Nof mind is the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:18.95,0:52:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: What is the copyright on these pictures?\NAre they in the public domain?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.48,0:52:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I use them for memes?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.92,0:52:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Uhm, no.\N{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.21,0:52:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, most are on my website in a low resolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:33.77,0:52:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which the archive doesn't like, but it's there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.92,0:52:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem is that: There is a law that covers\Nthe archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.53,0:52:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not like other archives in Germany.\NIt has its own law.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.65,0:52:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was written in the early 90's by\Nlawmakers.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:50.49,0:52:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all know them and love them.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.31,0:52:58.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they never thought of an artist coming\Nalong and show them.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.83,0:53:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the law covers publication.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.48,0:53:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you got access to material, \Nyou are allowed publicize it
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.98,0:53:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing else is stated.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.07,0:53:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you aren't allowed to hand over the files.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:17.91,0:53:22.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had lengthy debates with the Archive\Nabout what that could mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.85,0:53:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since, when you have it on the website, you\Nhand out the files.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.82,0:53:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I said no, it's publicising it \N-- no, no, no.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.83,0:53:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what's the difference? Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.79,0:53:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't really know but, ahem.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:35.54,0:53:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's tricky.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.23,0:53:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so many people copied it from my website,\Nso it is out there and gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.25,0:53:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I think is good.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.80,0:53:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We have time for one more question.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.06,0:53:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: And I will be around, if you recognise\Nmy bald head, talk to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.84,0:54:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q; Where you able to access files other than\Nimages?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.71,0:54:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like audio from phone surveillance?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.89,0:54:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: Ah, that is a very tricky thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.72,0:54:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could listen to those, but getting them\Nis almost impossible.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.17,0:54:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because, German privacy laws again.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.82,0:54:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And their argument is, whenever you speak,\Nyou could reveal something private.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.04,0:54:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's their argument. Even though \Nyou might be Erich Honecker
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.53,0:54:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Helmut Kohl or something like that. \NBut still it could be private what you're saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.88,0:54:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why they could never release them, and
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.60,0:54:48.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could not publish that, because it could\Nbe private.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.23,0:54:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's a somewhat strange law. \NBut noone is going to change anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:57.85,0:55:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: And the last question over here.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.68,0:55:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I am interested from where you know \Nwhat was shown by the photographs.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:07.83,0:55:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Were there captions like "spies spying on spy"\Nor thought you about an explanation by yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:14.41,0:55:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S: There are gazillions of km of files.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.31,0:55:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just very few photographs, so there is\Nalways alot of background information.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.33,0:55:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the greatest thing… and why I… \Npeople I am absolutely thankful towards
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.24,0:55:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the… - there were only ladies - \Nworking really at the archive,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.44,0:55:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handing me the files, giving me copies.\NBecause the most important thing
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.60,0:55:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- and that is always true \Nworking with an archive -
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.35,0:55:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the trickiest part is, how do you find\Nsomething you don't know exists.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.91,0:55:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you can't ask for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.88,0:55:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I am really looking for ... \Nis there a birthday party?'
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.15,0:56:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You will never ask for something like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.46,0:56:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But once you've earned the trust of the people\Nworking there, they provide you
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.76,0:56:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and provided me with these images.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:56:08.25,0:56:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they knew, in what direction \NI was looking for material.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.98,0:56:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was in most cases \Nbackground information.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.91,0:56:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was one image I didn't include in the\Ntalk of a dead swan.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.36,0:56:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a famous set of four images.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.04,0:56:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was only known that it was found in a vault\Nowned by Erich Mielke, the head of Stasi, personally.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.17,0:56:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's four images of a grave of \Na dead swan with a GDR flag.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.97,0:56:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is very famous for being the biggest\Nmystery in the Stasi files,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.84,0:56:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because nothing can be found \Nabout these images.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.61,0:56:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't include them in the talk, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.53,0:56:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a dead swan, very mysterious, \Nmust have been important. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.61,0:57:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you Simon, very much.\NSimon: Thank you.
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