1 00:00:00,081 --> 00:00:05,648 When you do economic research, you have three pieces. 2 00:00:05,648 --> 00:00:07,348 I think of them as balls 3 00:00:07,348 --> 00:00:10,699 that I want floating up all the time. 4 00:00:10,699 --> 00:00:12,064 I'm juggling them, 5 00:00:12,064 --> 00:00:15,850 and one of them is the idea. 6 00:00:15,850 --> 00:00:17,647 I have to begin with "What's the question, 7 00:00:17,647 --> 00:00:19,348 what's important?" 8 00:00:19,348 --> 00:00:22,281 - [Narrator] Economists! 9 00:00:22,281 --> 00:00:25,933 Not a group with a lot of Marys, Natashas, or Juanitas, 10 00:00:25,933 --> 00:00:28,682 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 00:00:28,682 --> 00:00:32,548 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 00:00:32,548 --> 00:00:36,881 who are economics forward by addressing real world issues. 13 00:00:36,881 --> 00:00:40,349 Welcome to Women in Economics. 14 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:46,898 - [Ilyana] One thing I definitely learned from Claudia 15 00:00:46,898 --> 00:00:49,950 is to approach economic research like a detective. 16 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:51,164 I think, especially, 17 00:00:51,164 --> 00:00:52,566 when you're working with economic history, 18 00:00:52,566 --> 00:00:55,915 when you can't just download a cleaned-up dataset. 19 00:00:55,915 --> 00:00:59,517 You really have to go searching open, dusty boxes 20 00:00:59,517 --> 00:01:02,432 and look under tocks. 21 00:01:02,432 --> 00:01:07,215 - [Lawrence] She is the consummate, economic historian. 22 00:01:07,215 --> 00:01:09,666 She has been the innovator and pioneer 23 00:01:09,666 --> 00:01:13,216 on bringing economical logic and historical and better data 24 00:01:13,216 --> 00:01:16,881 to understanding women's role in the economy, 25 00:01:16,881 --> 00:01:19,916 and then she is a fantastic labor economist, 26 00:01:19,916 --> 00:01:26,066 who had been a leader on work on understanding inequality. 27 00:01:26,516 --> 00:01:31,184 Claudia Dale Goldin was born in 1946 in the Bronx. 28 00:01:31,184 --> 00:01:34,534 She was a problem-solver from the beginning. 29 00:01:34,534 --> 00:01:36,899 As a child, she avoided the New York City heat 30 00:01:36,899 --> 00:01:39,249 by spending her summer days playing cards 31 00:01:39,249 --> 00:01:42,583 or reading in air-conditioned department stores. 32 00:01:42,583 --> 00:01:43,800 And while she always knew 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,733 she wanted to be a scientist of some kind, 34 00:01:46,733 --> 00:01:50,517 she wasn't always set on economics. 35 00:01:50,517 --> 00:01:51,965 She'll tell stories to me 36 00:01:51,965 --> 00:01:54,898 about when she first went to the Natural History Museum 37 00:01:54,898 --> 00:01:56,400 when she was living in the Bronx 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,566 and fell in love with mummies 39 00:01:59,168 --> 00:02:02,598 and thought that archeology was going to be her passion. 40 00:02:02,598 --> 00:02:04,567 But then she discovered microbiology, 41 00:02:04,567 --> 00:02:07,166 and she suddenly realized that microscopes uncovered 42 00:02:07,166 --> 00:02:10,333 a whole new world of discovery for her. 43 00:02:10,333 --> 00:02:13,750 It wasn't until she actually went to college at Cornell 44 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:16,765 that she first got introduced to economics. 45 00:02:16,765 --> 00:02:19,049 I decided to become an economist 46 00:02:19,049 --> 00:02:21,683 because I took an economics class 47 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:25,084 from an amazing person named Fred Kahn. 48 00:02:25,084 --> 00:02:30,300 He was so excited about the field of industrial organization 49 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:33,449 and product markets and regulation 50 00:02:33,449 --> 00:02:36,034 that it was infectious. 51 00:02:36,034 --> 00:02:39,101 And in fact, when I went to graduate school 52 00:02:39,101 --> 00:02:40,434 at the University of Chicago, 53 00:02:40,434 --> 00:02:44,533 I went there to study Industrial Organization. 54 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,216 Under the mentorship of Bob Fogel, 55 00:02:48,216 --> 00:02:51,250 Claudia studied American Economic History, 56 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:55,933 particularly the economics of slavery and the post civil war south. 57 00:02:55,933 --> 00:02:57,934 She had to travel to some southern states 58 00:02:57,934 --> 00:03:00,981 to gather archival materials for this research. 59 00:03:00,981 --> 00:03:04,833 Goldin didn't approach this trip like a traditional economist. 60 00:03:04,833 --> 00:03:06,617 She thought what I should do 61 00:03:06,617 --> 00:03:09,915 is hitchhike between the different cities in the south. 62 00:03:09,915 --> 00:03:12,067 She met somebody in one of the archives 63 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:13,649 who let her stay at their place, 64 00:03:13,649 --> 00:03:14,951 and when she came back, 65 00:03:14,951 --> 00:03:18,468 her advisor asked her for a list of the receipts and expenses 66 00:03:18,468 --> 00:03:19,749 associated with the trip, 67 00:03:19,749 --> 00:03:24,167 she had no clue that you were supposed to actually stay in hotels 68 00:03:24,167 --> 00:03:25,867 and pay for actual travel, 69 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:27,883 and you could get reimbursements. 70 00:03:27,883 --> 00:03:31,419 By actually staying with the archivists 71 00:03:31,419 --> 00:03:33,435 and getting access to archives 72 00:03:33,435 --> 00:03:33,685 and knowledge that you wouldn't have had, 73 00:03:33,685 --> 00:03:37,799 it probably created [ ] and understanding 74 00:03:37,799 --> 00:03:39,201 that wouldn't have been possible 75 00:03:39,201 --> 00:03:42,451 if you were going through usual channels. 76 00:03:42,451 --> 00:03:45,400 - (Narrator ) She continued to focus on economic history, 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,833 exploring such questions 78 00:03:46,833 --> 00:03:50,701 as why the north and south had different economic outcomes 79 00:03:50,701 --> 00:03:53,168 after the Civil War. 80 00:03:53,168 --> 00:03:56,750 Then I remember thinking that there were interesting aspects 81 00:03:56,750 --> 00:04:01,069 in terms of child labor and families. 82 00:04:01,069 --> 00:04:05,950 It suddenly occurred to me the main changes in the labor force 83 00:04:05,950 --> 00:04:08,734 had to do with women. 84 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:10,733 - [Narrator] She realized 85 00:04:10,733 --> 00:04:12,666 that there was a huge story in US history 86 00:04:12,666 --> 00:04:15,301 that was missing from economist scrutiny. 87 00:04:15,301 --> 00:04:21,351 and that was the great evolution of women's labor force participation. 88 00:04:22,034 --> 00:04:23,151 The women who were working, 89 00:04:23,151 --> 00:04:25,650 from much of the history that I was looking at, 90 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:27,635 were young, single women. 91 00:04:27,635 --> 00:04:30,952 But then it morphed into studying how it was 92 00:04:30,952 --> 00:04:37,284 that older married women with families joined the workforce. 93 00:04:37,284 --> 00:04:39,903 Goldin combined deep archival research, 94 00:04:39,903 --> 00:04:42,002 history, and economics 95 00:04:42,002 --> 00:04:44,085 to conduct study after study, 96 00:04:44,085 --> 00:04:46,017 examining how various dimensions 97 00:04:46,017 --> 00:04:48,568 of women's participation in the US labor force 98 00:04:48,568 --> 00:04:51,517 evolved over 200 years. 99 00:04:51,517 --> 00:04:54,385 Goldin's best known for her contributions 100 00:04:54,385 --> 00:04:56,452 to the economic subgender. 101 00:04:56,452 --> 00:04:58,803 She sort of pioneers that area. 102 00:04:58,803 --> 00:05:02,351 - [ ] She has been thinking about things that no one had known, 103 00:05:02,351 --> 00:05:05,417 like why is it that women's jobs 104 00:05:05,417 --> 00:05:08,134 were much more likely to be paid piece rate, 105 00:05:08,134 --> 00:05:09,934 and men's jobs, 106 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:12,519 why is money taken away and given to their parents, 107 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,917 the important role in caring for the family 108 00:05:15,917 --> 00:05:18,302 and how that affects the labor market. 109 00:05:18,302 --> 00:05:23,069 She just has a determination to figure out what's true, 110 00:05:23,069 --> 00:05:26,676 to find the new data, to read the historical sources, 111 00:05:26,676 --> 00:05:29,701 to think about what the actual people making decisions. 112 00:05:29,701 --> 00:05:33,235 One of the huge advantages we have as economists, 113 00:05:33,235 --> 00:05:35,684 we can actually read the diaries 114 00:05:35,684 --> 00:05:38,016 of actual people making these decisions 115 00:05:38,016 --> 00:05:39,452 and talk to them and interview them 116 00:05:39,452 --> 00:05:41,450 when we're doing contemporaneous work 117 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:44,154 or read their inner thoughts. 118 00:05:44,918 --> 00:05:47,818 - [Narrator] As just one example, Goldin 's exhaustive research 119 00:05:47,818 --> 00:05:50,568 has lead her to identify four phases, 120 00:05:50,568 --> 00:05:52,852 going back to the late 19th century 121 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:55,617 that shaped women's role in the US economy. 122 00:05:55,617 --> 00:05:59,892 The first three phases were evolutionary. 123 00:05:59,892 --> 00:06:02,119 While important advances were made through the evolutionary phases 124 00:06:02,119 --> 00:06:04,153 women also had limited control 125 00:06:04,153 --> 00:06:07,371 over key decisions affecting their employment. 126 00:06:07,371 --> 00:06:08,737 Women in those periods 127 00:06:08,737 --> 00:06:12,305 were more likely to view their working lives as intermittent 128 00:06:12,305 --> 00:06:14,970 and a means to put food on the table. 129 00:06:14,970 --> 00:06:19,436 Then came the quiet revolution, starting in the late 1970s. 130 00:06:19,436 --> 00:06:22,737 Women of the quiet revolution generally viewed their careers 131 00:06:22,737 --> 00:06:25,595 as a significant part of their personal identity 132 00:06:25,595 --> 00:06:28,286 and made their own decisions about their working lives. 133 00:06:28,286 --> 00:06:30,683 Goldin found that this latest phase 134 00:06:30,683 --> 00:06:34,087 was triggered mainly by increased investments in education 135 00:06:34,087 --> 00:06:38,169 and increased availability of contraceptives. 136 00:06:39,035 --> 00:06:40,753 - [Edward] More than any other person, 137 00:06:40,753 --> 00:06:45,836 she has been central in the study of women and work in economics. 138 00:06:45,836 --> 00:06:47,636 She gave it a broad, historical sweep, 139 00:06:47,636 --> 00:06:50,202 she tied it to economic theory in a tight way. 140 00:06:50,202 --> 00:06:55,051 Anyone who works on the issue of women and work going forward 141 00:06:55,051 --> 00:06:58,702 will be citing Claudia Goldin and will be influenced by her. 142 00:06:58,702 --> 00:07:00,737 Working together with Larry Katz, 143 00:07:00,737 --> 00:07:04,601 she's also done critical research about education, technology, 144 00:07:04,601 --> 00:07:07,852 and the extreme dangers of income and inequality. 145 00:07:07,852 --> 00:07:10,019 - [ ] She was among the first to document 146 00:07:10,019 --> 00:07:13,986 what we now think of as a U- shape of inequality 147 00:07:13,986 --> 00:07:16,435 over the 20th century. 148 00:07:16,435 --> 00:07:19,184 To this day, economists are still trying to figure out 149 00:07:19,184 --> 00:07:21,404 the determinants of that U-shape. 150 00:07:21,404 --> 00:07:23,803 - [Narrator] As the first woman to be offered [ ] 151 00:07:23,803 --> 00:07:25,786 in the Harvard Economics Department, 152 00:07:25,786 --> 00:07:27,003 she also takes her role 153 00:07:27,003 --> 00:07:30,486 of mentoring the next generation of economists seriously. 154 00:07:30,486 --> 00:07:32,370 - [ ] As any graduate student will tell you, 155 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:34,721 advisors play a critical role. 156 00:07:34,721 --> 00:07:36,218 It's these personal touches 157 00:07:36,218 --> 00:07:39,386 that make Claudia Goldin such a wonderful advisor. 158 00:07:39,386 --> 00:07:42,369 Whether it's walking her dog, Pika, with her, 159 00:07:42,369 --> 00:07:46,986 receiving midnight texts from her that always made me laugh. 160 00:07:46,986 --> 00:07:48,187 - [ ] She's not always serious, 161 00:07:48,187 --> 00:07:49,953 which, of course, is, I think, very important 162 00:07:49,953 --> 00:07:51,750 because if someone's constantly serious, 163 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:55,653 it's just so intimidating as a student. 164 00:07:55,653 --> 00:07:57,687 In 2014, Goldin started 165 00:07:57,687 --> 00:08:01,102 the Undergraduate Women in Economics Program -- 166 00:08:01,102 --> 00:08:05,192 a broad initiative to encourage more female economics majors. 167 00:08:05,192 --> 00:08:06,576 - [ ] When I'm doing my best research, 168 00:08:06,576 --> 00:08:09,877 I am reminded what I learned from Claudia, 169 00:08:09,877 --> 00:08:12,211 and how research can be fun 170 00:08:12,211 --> 00:08:15,826 and how it's a mystery that you want to unravel. 171 00:08:15,826 --> 00:08:18,008 - [ ] She brings a joy to her research. 172 00:08:18,008 --> 00:08:20,376 We were famously called the "dismal science." 173 00:08:20,376 --> 00:08:22,309 It was certainly when Claudia Goldin does at economics 174 00:08:22,309 --> 00:08:24,760 isn't anything but dismal. 175 00:08:25,443 --> 00:08:27,192 - [Narrator] Want to better understand Goldin 176 00:08:27,192 --> 00:08:29,726 and her contributions to labor economics? 177 00:08:29,726 --> 00:08:32,892 Click here for related materials and practice questions, 178 00:08:32,892 --> 00:08:34,192 or check out other videos 179 00:08:34,192 --> 00:08:37,009 on how economists are tackling all sorts of issues, 180 00:08:37,009 --> 00:08:38,644 ranging from weighty topics, 181 00:08:38,644 --> 00:08:40,811 such as the Great Recession and public health 182 00:08:40,811 --> 00:08:41,927 to everyday topics, like wine-- 183 00:08:41,927 --> 00:08:44,377 yes, even wine!