1 00:00:00,301 --> 00:00:05,868 When you do economic research, you have three pieces. 2 00:00:05,868 --> 00:00:07,568 I think of them as balls 3 00:00:07,568 --> 00:00:10,919 that I want floating up all the time. 4 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:12,284 I'm juggling them, 5 00:00:12,284 --> 00:00:16,070 and one of them is the idea. 6 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:17,867 I have to begin with "What's the question, 7 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:19,568 what's important?" 8 00:00:19,568 --> 00:00:22,501 - [Narrator] Economists! 9 00:00:22,501 --> 00:00:26,153 Not a group with a lot of Marys, Natashas, or Juanitas, 10 00:00:26,153 --> 00:00:28,902 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 00:00:28,902 --> 00:00:32,768 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 00:00:32,768 --> 00:00:37,101 who are economics forward by addressing real world issues. 13 00:00:37,101 --> 00:00:40,569 Welcome to Women in Economics. 14 00:00:45,269 --> 00:00:47,118 - [Ilyana] One thing I definitely learned from Claudia 15 00:00:47,118 --> 00:00:50,170 is to approach economic research like a detective. 16 00:00:50,170 --> 00:00:51,384 I think, especially, 17 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:52,786 when you're working with economic history, 18 00:00:52,786 --> 00:00:56,135 when you can't just download a cleaned-up dataset. 19 00:00:56,135 --> 00:00:59,737 You really have to go searching open, dusty boxes 20 00:00:59,737 --> 00:01:02,652 and look under tocks. 21 00:01:02,652 --> 00:01:07,435 - [Lawrence] She is the consummate, economic historian. 22 00:01:07,435 --> 00:01:09,886 She has been the innovator and pioneer 23 00:01:09,886 --> 00:01:13,436 on bringing economical logic and historical and better data 24 00:01:13,436 --> 00:01:17,101 to understanding women's role in the economy, 25 00:01:17,101 --> 00:01:20,136 and then she is a fantastic labor economist, 26 00:01:20,136 --> 00:01:26,286 who had been a leader on work on understanding inequality. 27 00:01:26,736 --> 00:01:31,404 Claudia Dale Goldin was born in 1946 in the Bronx. 28 00:01:31,404 --> 00:01:34,754 She was a problem-solver from the beginning. 29 00:01:34,754 --> 00:01:37,119 As a child, she avoided the New York City heat 30 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:39,469 by spending her summer days playing cards 31 00:01:39,469 --> 00:01:42,803 or reading in air-conditioned department stores. 32 00:01:42,803 --> 00:01:44,020 And while she always knew 33 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:46,953 she wanted to be a scientist of some kind, 34 00:01:46,953 --> 00:01:50,737 she wasn't always set on economics. 35 00:01:50,737 --> 00:01:52,185 She'll tell stories to me 36 00:01:52,185 --> 00:01:55,118 about when she first went to the Natural History Museum 37 00:01:55,118 --> 00:01:56,620 when she was living in the Bronx 38 00:01:56,620 --> 00:01:58,786 and fell in love with mummies 39 00:01:59,388 --> 00:02:02,818 and thought that archeology was going to be her passion. 40 00:02:02,818 --> 00:02:04,787 But then she discovered microbiology, 41 00:02:04,787 --> 00:02:07,386 and she suddenly realized that microscopes uncovered 42 00:02:07,386 --> 00:02:10,553 a whole new world of discovery for her. 43 00:02:10,553 --> 00:02:13,970 It wasn't until she actually went to college at Cornell 44 00:02:13,970 --> 00:02:16,985 that she first got introduced to economics. 45 00:02:16,985 --> 00:02:19,269 I decided to become an economist 46 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:21,903 because I took an economics class 47 00:02:21,903 --> 00:02:25,304 from an amazing person named Fred Kahn. 48 00:02:25,304 --> 00:02:30,520 He was so excited about the field of industrial organization 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,669 and product markets and regulation 50 00:02:33,669 --> 00:02:36,254 that it was infectious. 51 00:02:36,254 --> 00:02:39,321 And in fact, when I went to graduate school 52 00:02:39,321 --> 00:02:40,654 at the University of Chicago, 53 00:02:40,654 --> 00:02:44,753 I went there to study Industrial Organization. 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,436 Under the mentorship of Bob Fogel, 55 00:02:48,436 --> 00:02:51,470 Claudia studied American Economic History, 56 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:56,153 particularly the economics of slavery and the post civil war south. 57 00:02:56,153 --> 00:02:58,154 She had to travel to some southern states 58 00:02:58,154 --> 00:03:01,201 to gather archival materials for this research. 59 00:03:01,201 --> 00:03:05,053 Goldin didn't approach this trip like a traditional economist. 60 00:03:05,053 --> 00:03:06,837 She thought what I should do 61 00:03:06,837 --> 00:03:10,135 is hitchhike between the different cities in the south. 62 00:03:10,135 --> 00:03:12,287 She met somebody in one of the archives 63 00:03:12,287 --> 00:03:13,869 who let her stay at their place, 64 00:03:13,869 --> 00:03:15,171 and when she came back, 65 00:03:15,171 --> 00:03:18,688 her advisor asked her for a list of the receipts and expenses 66 00:03:18,688 --> 00:03:19,969 associated with the trip, 67 00:03:19,969 --> 00:03:24,387 she had no clue that you were supposed to actually stay in hotels 68 00:03:24,387 --> 00:03:26,087 and pay for actual travel, 69 00:03:26,087 --> 00:03:28,103 and you could get reimbursements. 70 00:03:28,103 --> 00:03:31,639 By actually staying with the archivists 71 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,655 and getting access to archives 72 00:03:33,655 --> 00:03:33,905 and knowledge that you wouldn't have had, 73 00:03:33,905 --> 00:03:38,019 it probably created [ ] and understanding 74 00:03:38,019 --> 00:03:39,421 that wouldn't have been possible 75 00:03:39,421 --> 00:03:42,671 if you were going through usual channels. 76 00:03:42,671 --> 00:03:45,620 - (Narrator ) She continued to focus on economic history, 77 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:47,053 exploring such questions 78 00:03:47,053 --> 00:03:50,921 as why the north and south had different economic outcomes 79 00:03:50,921 --> 00:03:53,388 after the Civil War. 80 00:03:53,388 --> 00:03:56,970 Then I remember thinking that there were interesting aspects 81 00:03:56,970 --> 00:04:01,289 in terms of child labor and families. 82 00:04:01,289 --> 00:04:06,170 It suddenly occurred to me the main changes in the labor force 83 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:08,954 had to do with women. 84 00:04:09,886 --> 00:04:10,953 - [Narrator] She realized 85 00:04:10,953 --> 00:04:12,886 that there was a huge story in US history 86 00:04:12,886 --> 00:04:15,521 that was missing from economist scrutiny. 87 00:04:15,521 --> 00:04:21,571 and that was the great evolution of women's labor force participation. 88 00:04:22,254 --> 00:04:23,371 The women who were working, 89 00:04:23,371 --> 00:04:25,870 from much of the history that I was looking at, 90 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:27,855 were young, single women. 91 00:04:27,855 --> 00:04:31,172 But then it morphed into studying how it was 92 00:04:31,172 --> 00:04:37,504 that older married women with families joined the workforce. 93 00:04:37,504 --> 00:04:40,123 Goldin combined deep archival research, 94 00:04:40,123 --> 00:04:42,222 history, and economics 95 00:04:42,222 --> 00:04:44,305 to conduct study after study, 96 00:04:44,305 --> 00:04:46,237 examining how various dimensions 97 00:04:46,237 --> 00:04:48,788 of women's participation in the US labor force 98 00:04:48,788 --> 00:04:51,737 evolved over 200 years. 99 00:04:51,737 --> 00:04:54,605 Goldin's best known for her contributions 100 00:04:54,605 --> 00:04:56,672 to the economic subgender. 101 00:04:56,672 --> 00:04:59,023 She sort of pioneers that area. 102 00:04:59,023 --> 00:05:02,571 - [ ] She has been thinking about things that no one had known, 103 00:05:02,571 --> 00:05:05,637 like why is it that women's jobs 104 00:05:05,637 --> 00:05:08,354 were much more likely to be paid piece rate, 105 00:05:08,354 --> 00:05:10,154 and men's jobs, 106 00:05:10,154 --> 00:05:12,739 why is money taken away and given to their parents, 107 00:05:12,739 --> 00:05:16,137 the important role in caring for the family 108 00:05:16,137 --> 00:05:18,522 and how that affects the labor market. 109 00:05:18,522 --> 00:05:23,289 She just has a determination to figure out what's true, 110 00:05:23,289 --> 00:05:26,896 to find the new data, to read the historical sources, 111 00:05:26,896 --> 00:05:29,921 to think about what the actual people making decisions. 112 00:05:29,921 --> 00:05:33,455 One of the huge advantages we have as economists, 113 00:05:33,455 --> 00:05:35,904 we can actually read the diaries 114 00:05:35,904 --> 00:05:38,236 of actual people making these decisions 115 00:05:38,236 --> 00:05:39,672 and talk to them and interview them 116 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:41,670 when we're doing contemporaneous work 117 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:44,374 or read their inner thoughts. 118 00:05:45,138 --> 00:05:48,038 - [Narrator] As just one example, Goldin 's exhaustive research 119 00:05:48,038 --> 00:05:50,788 has lead her to identify four phases, 120 00:05:50,788 --> 00:05:53,072 going back to the late 19th century 121 00:05:53,072 --> 00:05:55,837 that shaped women's role in the US economy. 122 00:05:55,837 --> 00:06:00,112 The first three phases were evolutionary. 123 00:06:00,112 --> 00:06:02,339 While important advances were made through the evolutionary phases 124 00:06:02,339 --> 00:06:04,373 women also had limited control 125 00:06:04,373 --> 00:06:07,591 over key decisions affecting their employment. 126 00:06:07,591 --> 00:06:08,957 Women in those periods 127 00:06:08,957 --> 00:06:12,525 were more likely to view their working lives as intermittent 128 00:06:12,525 --> 00:06:15,190 and a means to put food on the table. 129 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:19,656 Then came the quiet revolution, starting in the late 1970s. 130 00:06:19,656 --> 00:06:22,957 Women of the quiet revolution generally viewed their careers 131 00:06:22,957 --> 00:06:25,815 as a significant part of their personal identity 132 00:06:25,815 --> 00:06:28,506 and made their own decisions about their working lives. 133 00:06:28,506 --> 00:06:30,903 Goldin found that this latest phase 134 00:06:30,903 --> 00:06:34,307 was triggered mainly by increased investments in education 135 00:06:34,307 --> 00:06:38,389 and increased availability of contraceptives. 136 00:06:39,255 --> 00:06:40,973 - [Edward] More than any other person, 137 00:06:40,973 --> 00:06:46,056 she has been central in the study of women and work in economics. 138 00:06:46,056 --> 00:06:47,856 She gave it a broad, historical sweep, 139 00:06:47,856 --> 00:06:50,422 she tied it to economic theory in a tight way. 140 00:06:50,422 --> 00:06:55,271 Anyone who works on the issue of women and work going forward 141 00:06:55,271 --> 00:06:58,922 will be citing Claudia Goldin and will be influenced by her. 142 00:06:58,922 --> 00:07:00,957 Working together with Larry Katz, 143 00:07:00,957 --> 00:07:04,821 she's also done critical research about education, technology, 144 00:07:04,821 --> 00:07:08,072 and the extreme dangers of income and inequality. 145 00:07:08,072 --> 00:07:10,239 - [ ] She was among the first to document 146 00:07:10,239 --> 00:07:14,206 what we now think of as a U- shape of inequality 147 00:07:14,206 --> 00:07:16,655 over the 20th century. 148 00:07:16,655 --> 00:07:19,404 To this day, economists are still trying to figure out 149 00:07:19,404 --> 00:07:21,624 the determinants of that U-shape. 150 00:07:21,624 --> 00:07:24,023 - [Narrator] As the first woman to be offered [ ] 151 00:07:24,023 --> 00:07:26,006 in the Harvard Economics Department, 152 00:07:26,006 --> 00:07:27,223 she also takes her role 153 00:07:27,223 --> 00:07:30,706 of mentoring the next generation of economists seriously. 154 00:07:30,706 --> 00:07:32,590 - [ ] As any graduate student will tell you, 155 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:34,941 advisors play a critical role. 156 00:07:34,941 --> 00:07:36,438 It's these personal touches 157 00:07:36,438 --> 00:07:39,606 that make Claudia Goldin such a wonderful advisor. 158 00:07:39,606 --> 00:07:42,589 Whether it's walking her dog, Pika, with her, 159 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:47,206 receiving midnight texts from her that always made me laugh. 160 00:07:47,206 --> 00:07:48,407 - [ ] She's not always serious, 161 00:07:48,407 --> 00:07:50,173 which, of course, is, I think, very important 162 00:07:50,173 --> 00:07:51,970 because if someone's constantly serious, 163 00:07:51,970 --> 00:07:55,873 it's just so intimidating as a student. 164 00:07:55,873 --> 00:07:57,907 In 2014, Goldin started 165 00:07:57,907 --> 00:08:01,322 the Undergraduate Women in Economics Program -- 166 00:08:01,322 --> 00:08:05,412 a broad initiative to encourage more female economics majors. 167 00:08:05,412 --> 00:08:06,796 - [ ] When I'm doing my best research, 168 00:08:06,796 --> 00:08:10,097 I am reminded what I learned from Claudia, 169 00:08:10,097 --> 00:08:12,431 and how research can be fun 170 00:08:12,431 --> 00:08:16,046 and how it's a mystery that you want to unravel. 171 00:08:16,046 --> 00:08:18,228 - [ ] She brings a joy to her research. 172 00:08:18,228 --> 00:08:20,596 We were famously called the "dismal science." 173 00:08:20,596 --> 00:08:22,529 It was certainly when Claudia Goldin does at economics 174 00:08:22,529 --> 00:08:24,980 isn't anything but dismal. 175 00:08:25,663 --> 00:08:27,412 - [Narrator] Want to better understand Goldin 176 00:08:27,412 --> 00:08:29,946 and her contributions to labor economics? 177 00:08:29,946 --> 00:08:33,112 Click here for related materials and practice questions, 178 00:08:33,112 --> 00:08:34,412 or check out other videos 179 00:08:34,412 --> 00:08:37,229 on how economists are tackling all sorts of issues, 180 00:08:37,229 --> 00:08:38,864 ranging from weighty topics, 181 00:08:38,864 --> 00:08:41,031 such as the Great Recession and public health 182 00:08:41,031 --> 00:08:42,147 to everyday topics, like wine-- 183 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:44,597 yes, even wine!