1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When you do economic research, you have three pieces. 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think of them as balls 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that I want floating up all the time. 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm juggling them, 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and one of them is the idea. 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I have to begin with "What's the question, 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what's important?" 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Economists! 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Not a group with a lot of Marys, Natashas, or Juanitas, 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who are economics forward by addressing real world issues. 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Welcome to Women in Economics. 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Ilyana] One thing I definitely learned from Claudia 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is to approach economic research like a detective. 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think, especially, 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you're working with economic history, 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you can't just download a cleaned-up dataset. 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You really have to go searching open, dusty boxes 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and look under tocks. 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Lawrence] She is the consummate, economic historian. 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She has been the innovator and pioneer 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on bringing economical logic and historical and better data 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to understanding women's role in the economy, 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then she is a fantastic labor economist, 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who had been a leader on work on understanding inequality. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Claudia Dale Goldin was born in 1946 in the Bronx. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She was a problem-solver from the beginning. 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As a child, she avoided the New York City heat 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by spending her summer days playing cards 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or reading in air-conditioned department stores. 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And while she always knew 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she wanted to be a scientist of some kind, 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she wasn't always set on economics. 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She'll tell stories to me 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about when she first went to the Natural History Museum 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when she was living in the Bronx 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and fell in love with mummies 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and thought that archeology was going to be her passion. 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But then she discovered microbiology, 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and she suddenly realized that microscopes uncovered 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a whole new world of discovery for her. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It wasn't until she actually went to college at Cornell 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that she first got introduced to economics. 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I decided to become an economist 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because I took an economics class 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from an amazing person named Fred Kahn. 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 He was so excited about the field of industrial organization 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and product markets and regulation 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it was infectious. 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And in fact, when I went to graduate school 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at the University of Chicago, 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I went there to study Industrial Organization. 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Under the mentorship of Bob Fogel, 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Claudia studied American Economic History, 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 particularly the economics of slavery and the post civil war south. 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She had to travel to some southern states 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to gather archival materials for this research. 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Goldin didn't approach this trip like a traditional economist. 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She thought what I should do 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is hitchhike between the different cities in the south. 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She met somebody in one of the archives 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who let her stay at their place, 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when she came back, 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 her advisor asked her for a list of the receipts and expenses 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 associated with the trip, 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she had no clue that you were supposed to actually stay in hotels 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and pay for actual travel, 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you could get reimbursements. 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 By actually staying with the archivists 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and getting access to archives 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and knowledge that you wouldn't have had, 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it probably created [ ] and understanding 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that wouldn't have been possible 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you were going through usual channels. 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - (Narrator ) She continued to focus on economic history, 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 exploring such questions 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as why the north and south had different economic outcomes 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after the Civil War. 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Then I remember thinking that there were interesting aspects 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in terms of child labor and families. 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It suddenly occurred to me the main changes in the labor force 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 had to do with women. 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] She realized 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that there was a huge story in US history 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that was missing from economist scrutiny. 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that was the great evolution of women's labor force participation. 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The women who were working, 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from much of the history that I was looking at, 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were young, single women. 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But then it morphed into studying how it was 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that older married women with families joined the workforce. 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Goldin combined deep archival research, 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 history, and economics 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to conduct study after study, 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 examining how various dimensions 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of women's participation in the US labor force 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 evolved over 200 years. 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Goldin's best known for her contributions 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to the economic subgender. 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She sort of pioneers that area. 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] She has been thinking about things that no one had known, 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like why is it that women's jobs 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were much more likely to be paid piece rate, 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and men's jobs, 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 why is money taken away and given to their parents, 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the important role in caring for the family 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and how that affects the labor market. 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She just has a determination to figure out what's true, 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to find the new data, to read the historical sources, 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to think about what the actual people making decisions. 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One of the huge advantages we have as economists, 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we can actually read the diaries 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of actual people making these decisions 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and talk to them and interview them 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when we're doing contemporaneous work 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or read their inner thoughts. 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] As just one example, Goldin 's exhaustive research 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has lead her to identify four phases, 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going back to the late 19th century 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that shaped women's role in the US economy. 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The first three phases were revolutionary. 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 While important advances were made through the evolutionary phases, 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 women also had limited control 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 over key decisions affecting their employment. 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Women in those periods 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were more likely to view their working lives as intermittent 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and a means to put food on the table. 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Then came the quiet revolution, starting in the late 1970s. 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Women of the quiet revolution generally reviewed their careers 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a significant part of their personal identity 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and make their own decisions about their working lives. 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Goldin found that this latest phase 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was triggered mainly by increased investments in education 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and increased availability of contraceptives. 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Edward] More than any other person, 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she has been central in the study of women and work in economics. 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She gave it a broad, historical sweep, 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she tied it to economic theory in a tight way. 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Anyone who works on the issue of women and work going forward 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will be citing Claudia Goldin and will be influenced by her. 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Working together with Larry Katz, 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she's also done critical research about education, technology, 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the extreme dangers of income and inequality. 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] She was among the first to document 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what we now think of as a U- shape of inequality 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 over the 20th century. 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 To this day, economists are still trying to figure out 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the determinants of that U-shape. 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] As the first woman to be offered [ ] 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the Harvard Economics Department, 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she also takes her role 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of mentoring the next generation of economists seriously. 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] As any graduate student will tell you, 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 advisors play a critical role. 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's these personal touches 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that make Claudia Goldin such a wonderful advisor. 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Whether it's walking her dog, Pika, with her, 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 receiving midnight texts from her that always made me laugh. 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] She's not always serious, 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which, of course, is, I think, very important 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because if someone's constantly serious, 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's just so intimidating as a student. 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In 2014, Goldin started 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Undergraduate Women in Economics Program, 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a broad initiative to encourage more female economics majors. 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] When I'm doing my best research, 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I am reminded what I learned from Claudia, 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and how research can be fun 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and how it's a mystery that you want to unravel. 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] She brings a joy to her research. 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We were famously called the "dismal science." 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It was certainly when Claudia Goldin does at economics 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 isn't anything but dismal. 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Want to better understand Goldin 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and her contributions to labor economics? 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Click here for related materials and practice questions, 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or check out other videos 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on how economists are tackling all sorts of issues, 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ranging from weighty topics, 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 such as the Great Recession and public health 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to everyday topics, like wine-- 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 yes, even wine!