[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.32,0:00:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mike Kelly: Bad Boy Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.64,0:00:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over and over and over not so much now, but throughout my early career Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.19,0:00:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was this bad boy thing. Bad boy, bad boy, bad boy, and was just like, I don't think I was ever a bad boy Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.78,0:00:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think my work was about being a bad boy, it wasn't about being like a snotty teenager or this or that Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.10,0:00:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that I was an anti-intellectual. Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.70,0:01:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously I'm not an anti-intellectual, and yet I felt that these kind of terms were used to put me in my place Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.13,0:01:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because my work didn't fit the cannon of work that was popular at that moment. Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.29,0:01:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was simply like a cheap put down. Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.88,0:01:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I was associated with this so called, abject art movement, in which notions of failure came to play Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.57,0:01:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the discusion of art, and because a lot of my work looks towards so called, low forms Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.97,0:01:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like folk art or lower and mass culture. Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.42,0:01:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot critics of my work tend to confuse my use of that work with some kind of investment, Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.32,0:01:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I'm raising that up, or that this is some kind of blue collar aesthetic. Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.31,0:02:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I might come from that, but I have no love of it, but the art world has changed a lot because recently Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.44,0:02:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such things have found a place in the art world when, you know, fifteen years ago, you never see, in every gallery in New York Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.31,0:02:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some kind of, mass culture referent. Now every gallery has such things, and so all this discussion of slackers has become a positive term Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.79,0:02:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than a negative term, and it's like all this kind of discussion doesn't interest me whatsoever because who defines these things. Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.04,0:02:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I'm a bad boy, there's a thousand times worse bad boys and girls and it's an academy, so, I'm grandpa when it comes to that. Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.14,0:02:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't need to think about it anymore. Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.14,0:02:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,art21.org Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.61,0:02:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pbs.org/art21 Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.36,0:02:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2010 Art21, Inc All Rights Reserved