1 00:00:00,912 --> 00:00:04,482 I am a capitalist, 2 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:09,586 and after a 30-year career in capitalism 3 00:00:09,772 --> 00:00:11,330 spanning three dozen companies 4 00:00:11,330 --> 00:00:14,522 generating tens of billions of dollars in market value, 5 00:00:14,522 --> 00:00:20,031 I'm not just in the top one percent, I'm in the top 0.1 percent of all earners. 6 00:00:21,686 --> 00:00:24,755 Today, I have come to share the secrets of our success, 7 00:00:24,755 --> 00:00:28,756 because rich capitalists like me have never been richer. 8 00:00:28,953 --> 00:00:31,936 So the question is, how do we do it? 9 00:00:31,936 --> 00:00:34,129 How do we manage to grab 10 00:00:34,129 --> 00:00:37,611 an ever-increasing share of the economic pie every year? 11 00:00:39,008 --> 00:00:42,809 Is it that rich people are smarter than we were 30 years ago? 12 00:00:44,008 --> 00:00:46,423 Is it that we're working harder than we once did? 13 00:00:47,732 --> 00:00:50,488 Are we taller, better looking? 14 00:00:51,497 --> 00:00:53,778 Sadly, no. 15 00:00:53,778 --> 00:00:56,292 It all comes down to just one thing: 16 00:00:56,292 --> 00:00:58,238 economics. 17 00:00:58,238 --> 00:01:00,464 Because, here's the dirty secret. 18 00:01:00,464 --> 00:01:02,804 There was a time in which the economics profession 19 00:01:02,804 --> 00:01:04,741 worked in the public interest for everyone 20 00:01:04,741 --> 00:01:06,820 but in the neoliberal era, 21 00:01:06,820 --> 00:01:07,869 today, 22 00:01:07,869 --> 00:01:10,726 they work only for big corporations 23 00:01:10,726 --> 00:01:12,331 and billionaires, 24 00:01:12,331 --> 00:01:15,547 and that is creating a little bit of a problem. 25 00:01:16,012 --> 00:01:19,544 We could choose to enact economic policies 26 00:01:19,544 --> 00:01:21,892 that raise taxes on the rich, 27 00:01:21,892 --> 00:01:26,616 regulate powerful corporations, or raise wages for workers. 28 00:01:26,872 --> 00:01:28,200 We have done it before. 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,498 But neoliberal economists would warn 30 00:01:30,498 --> 00:01:34,302 that all of these policies would be a terrible mistake, 31 00:01:34,302 --> 00:01:38,114 because raising taxes always kills economic growth, 32 00:01:38,114 --> 00:01:40,638 and and any form of government regulation 33 00:01:40,638 --> 00:01:42,376 is inefficient, 34 00:01:42,376 --> 00:01:44,916 and raising wages always kills jobs. 35 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,521 Well, as a consequence of that thinking, 36 00:01:48,521 --> 00:01:52,930 over the last 30 years, in the USA alone, 37 00:01:52,930 --> 00:01:57,360 the top one percent has grown 21 trillion dollars richer 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,811 while the bottom 50 percent have grown 900 billion dollars poorer, 39 00:02:02,811 --> 00:02:06,855 a pattern of widening inequality that has largely repeated itself 40 00:02:06,855 --> 00:02:08,226 across the world. 41 00:02:08,226 --> 00:02:13,521 And yet, as middle class families struggle to get by 42 00:02:13,521 --> 00:02:16,789 on wages that have not budged in about 40 years, 43 00:02:16,789 --> 00:02:20,502 neoliberal economists continue to warn that the only reasonable response 44 00:02:20,502 --> 00:02:25,266 to the painful dislocations of austerity and globalization 45 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:28,921 is even more austerity and globalization. 46 00:02:29,122 --> 00:02:31,967 So, what is a society to do? 47 00:02:33,192 --> 00:02:36,107 Well, it's super-clear to me what we need to do. 48 00:02:36,107 --> 00:02:39,780 We need a new economics. 49 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:43,509 So, economics has been described as the dismal science, 50 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:44,882 and for good reason, because as much as it is taught today, 51 00:02:44,882 --> 00:02:51,618 it isn't a science at all, in spite of all of the dazzling mathematics. 52 00:02:51,618 --> 00:02:54,970 In fact, a growing number of academics and practitioners 53 00:02:54,970 --> 00:03:00,999 have concluded that neoliberal economic theory is dangerously wrong 54 00:03:00,999 --> 00:03:04,879 and that today's growing crises of rising inequality 55 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,552 and growing political instability 56 00:03:06,552 --> 00:03:11,629 are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory. 57 00:03:11,629 --> 00:03:17,187 What we now know is that the economics that made me so rich isn't just wrong, 58 00:03:17,187 --> 00:03:19,520 it's backwards, 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,186 because it turns out 60 00:03:22,186 --> 00:03:25,174 it isn't capital that creates economic growth, 61 00:03:25,174 --> 00:03:27,322 it's people; 62 00:03:27,322 --> 00:03:32,051 and it isn't self-interest that promotes the public good, 63 00:03:32,051 --> 00:03:34,189 it's reciprocity; 64 00:03:34,189 --> 00:03:38,962 and it isn't competition that produces our prosperity, 65 00:03:38,962 --> 00:03:41,066 it's cooperation. 66 00:03:42,353 --> 00:03:46,141 What we can now see is that an economics that is neither just nor inclusive 67 00:03:46,141 --> 00:03:50,945 can never sustain the high levels of social cooperation 68 00:03:50,945 --> 00:03:54,134 necessary to enable a modern society to thrive. 69 00:03:54,134 --> 00:03:57,544 So where did we go wrong? 70 00:03:57,712 --> 00:04:01,695 Well, it turns out that it's become painfully obvious 71 00:04:01,695 --> 00:04:07,519 that the fundamental assumptions that undergird neoliberal economic theory 72 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:10,068 are just objectively false, 73 00:04:10,846 --> 00:04:14,974 and so today first I want to take you through some of those mistaken assumptions 74 00:04:14,974 --> 00:04:20,481 and then after describe where the science suggests prosperity actually comes from. 75 00:04:21,707 --> 00:04:25,751 So neoliberal assumption number one is 76 00:04:25,751 --> 00:04:30,268 that the market is an efficient equilibrium system, 77 00:04:30,268 --> 00:04:36,078 which basically means that if one thing in the economy, like wages, goes up, 78 00:04:36,078 --> 00:04:40,258 another thing in the economy, like jobs, must go down. 79 00:04:41,308 --> 00:04:44,472 So for example, in Seattle, where I live, 80 00:04:44,472 --> 00:04:50,280 when in 2014 we passed our nation's first 15 dollar minimum wage, 81 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:55,275 the neoliberals freaked out over their precious equilibrium. 82 00:04:55,275 --> 00:04:58,114 "If you raise the price of labor," they warned, 83 00:04:58,114 --> 00:05:00,532 "business will purchase less of it. 84 00:05:00,532 --> 00:05:03,100 Thousands of low-wage workers will lose their jobs. 85 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:04,849 The restaurants will close." 86 00:05:04,849 --> 00:05:08,456 Except, they didn't. 87 00:05:09,155 --> 00:05:13,370 The unemployment rate fell dramatically. 88 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:16,368 The restaurant business in Seattle boomed. 89 00:05:16,368 --> 00:05:18,171 Why? 90 00:05:18,171 --> 00:05:21,935 Because there is no equilibrium. 91 00:05:21,935 --> 00:05:25,212 Because raising wages doesn't kill jobs, it creates them, 92 00:05:25,212 --> 00:05:26,685 because, for instance, 93 00:05:26,685 --> 00:05:31,433 when restaurant owners are suddenly required to pay restaurant workers enough 94 00:05:31,433 --> 00:05:35,346 so that now even they can afford to eat in restaurants, 95 00:05:35,346 --> 00:05:37,606 it doesn't shrink the restaurant business, 96 00:05:37,606 --> 00:05:40,251 it grows it, obviously. 97 00:05:40,251 --> 00:05:43,907 (Applause) 98 00:05:43,907 --> 00:05:45,908 Thank you. 99 00:05:46,491 --> 00:05:49,736 The second assumption is 100 00:05:49,736 --> 00:05:55,180 that the price of something is always equal to its value, 101 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:58,680 which basically means that if you earn 50,000 dollars a year 102 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,466 and I earn 50 million dollars a year, 103 00:06:01,466 --> 00:06:06,545 that's because I produce a thousand times as much value as you. 104 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:12,215 Now, it will not surprise you to learn 105 00:06:12,215 --> 00:06:14,127 that this is a very comforting assumption 106 00:06:14,127 --> 00:06:16,541 if you're a CEO paying yourself 50 million dollars a year 107 00:06:16,541 --> 00:06:19,203 but paying your workers poverty wages. 108 00:06:19,783 --> 00:06:24,006 But please, take it from somebody who has run dozens of businesses: 109 00:06:24,006 --> 00:06:26,498 this is nonsense. 110 00:06:26,498 --> 00:06:28,813 People are not paid what they are worth. 111 00:06:28,813 --> 00:06:32,143 They are paid what they have the power to negotiate, 112 00:06:32,143 --> 00:06:34,816 and wages' falling share of GDP 113 00:06:34,816 --> 00:06:38,266 is not because workers have become less productive 114 00:06:38,266 --> 00:06:41,615 but because employers have become more powerful. 115 00:06:41,615 --> 00:06:44,707 (Applause) 116 00:06:46,939 --> 00:06:52,697 And by pretending that the giant imbalance in power between capital and labor 117 00:06:52,697 --> 00:06:54,655 doesn't exist, 118 00:06:54,655 --> 00:06:58,056 neoliberal economic theory became essentially 119 00:06:58,056 --> 00:07:01,149 a protection racket for the rich. 120 00:07:01,806 --> 00:07:04,006 The third assumption, and by far the most pernicious, 121 00:07:04,006 --> 00:07:05,940 is a behavioral model 122 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:09,692 that describes human beings as something called "homo economicus," 123 00:07:09,692 --> 00:07:14,174 which basically means that we are all perfectly selfish, 124 00:07:14,174 --> 00:07:18,715 perfectly rational, and relentlessly self-maximizing. 125 00:07:19,611 --> 00:07:21,872 But just ask yourselves, 126 00:07:21,872 --> 00:07:25,647 is it plausible that every single time for your entire life, 127 00:07:25,647 --> 00:07:27,849 when you did something nice for somebody else, 128 00:07:27,849 --> 00:07:31,186 all you were doing was maximizing your own utility? 129 00:07:31,186 --> 00:07:34,964 Is it plausible that when a soldier jumps on a grenade to defend fellow soldiers, 130 00:07:34,964 --> 00:07:37,766 they're just promoting their narrow self-interest? 131 00:07:37,766 --> 00:07:39,581 If you think that's nuts, 132 00:07:39,581 --> 00:07:42,722 contrary to any reasonable moral intuition, 133 00:07:42,722 --> 00:07:44,574 that's because it is, 134 00:07:44,574 --> 00:07:46,390 and according to the latest science, 135 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:48,020 not true. 136 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:50,559 But it is this behavioral model 137 00:07:50,559 --> 00:07:53,900 which is at the cold, cruel heart of neoliberal economics, 138 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:58,227 and it is as morally corrosive 139 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:00,140 as it is scientifically wrong, 140 00:08:00,140 --> 00:08:05,176 because if we accept at face value 141 00:08:05,176 --> 00:08:07,955 that humans are fundamentally selfish 142 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:10,045 and then we look around the world 143 00:08:10,045 --> 00:08:14,014 at all of the unambiguous prosperity in it, 144 00:08:14,014 --> 00:08:17,332 then it follows logically, 145 00:08:17,332 --> 00:08:19,098 then it must be true by definition, 146 00:08:19,098 --> 00:08:22,730 that billions of individual acts of selfishness 147 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:26,778 magically transubstantiate into prosperity and the common good. 148 00:08:26,937 --> 00:08:29,829 If we humans are merely selfish maximizers, 149 00:08:29,829 --> 00:08:33,374 then selfishness is the cause of our prosperity. 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Under this economic logic, 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 greed is good, 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 widening inequality is efficient, 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the only purpose of the corporation 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 can be to enrich shareholders, 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because to do otherwise would be to slow economic growth 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and harm the economy overall. 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it is this gospel of selfishness 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which forms the ideological cornerstone of neoliberal economics, 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a way of thinking which has produced economic policies 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which have enabled me and my rich buddies in the top one percent 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to grab virtually all of the benefits of growth over the last 40 years. 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But, if instead 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we accept the latest empirical research, 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 real science, which correctly describes human beings 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as highly cooperative, 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 reciprocal, 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and intuitively moral creatures, 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then it follows logically 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it must be cooperation 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and not selfishness 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that is the cause of our prosperity, and it isn't our self-interest 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but rather our inherent reciprocity 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that is humanity's economic superpower. 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So at the heart of this new economics 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is a story about ourselves that grants us permission to be our best selves, 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and, unlike the old economics, 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is a story that is virtuous 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and also has the virtue of being true. 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, I want to emphasize that this new economics 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is not something I have personally imagined or invented. 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Its theories and models are being developed and refined 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in universities around the world 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 building on some of the best new research in economics, 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 complexity theory, evolutionary theory, 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 psychology, anthropology, and other disciplines. 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And although this new economics does not yet have its own textbook 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or even a commonly agreed upon name, 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in broad strokes 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 its explanation of where prosperity comes from goes something like this. 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So, market capitalism is an evolutionary system 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in which prosperity emerges 192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 through a positive feedback loop 193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 between increasing amounts of innovation and increasing amounts of consumer demand. 194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Innovation is the process by which we solve human problems, 195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 consumer demand is the mechanism through which the market selects 196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for useful innovations, 197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and as we solve more problems, we become more prosperous. 198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But as we become more prosperous, 199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 our problems and solutions 200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 become more complex, 201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this increasing technical complexity 202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 requires ever higher levels of social and economic cooperation 203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in order to produce the more highly specialized products 204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that define a modern economy. 205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, the old economics is correct, of course, 206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that competition plays a crucial role in how markets work, 207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but what it fails to see 208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is that it is largely a competition between highly cooperative groups, 209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 competition between firms, competition between networks of firms, 210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 competition between nations, 211 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and anyone who has ever run a successful business knows 212 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that building a cooperative team by including the talents of everyone 213 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is almost always a better strategy than just a bunch of selfish jerks. 214 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So how do we leave neoliberalism behind 215 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and build a more sustainable, more prosperous, 216 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and more equitable society? 217 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The new economics suggests just five rules of thumb. 218 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 First is that successful economies are not jungles, they're gardens, 219 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is to say that markets, 220 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like gardens, must be tended, 221 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the market is the greatest social technology ever invented 222 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for solving human problems, 223 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but unconstrained by social norms or democratic regulation, 224 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 markets inevitably create more problems than they solve. 225 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Climate change, 226 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the great financial crisis of 2008 227 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are two easy examples. 228 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The second rule is 229 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that inclusion creates economic growth. 230 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So the neoliberal idea 231 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that inclusion is this fancy luxury 232 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to be afforded if and when we have growth is both wrong and backwards. 233 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The economy is people. 234 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Including more people in more ways 235 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is what causes economic growth in market economies. 236 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The third principle 237 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is the purpose of the corporation is not merely to enrich shareholders. 238 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The greatest grift in contemporary economic life 239 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is the neoliberal idea that the only purpose of the corporation 240 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the only responsibility of executives 241 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is to enrich themselves and shareholders. 242 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The new economics must and can insist 243 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the purpose of the corporation 244 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is to improve the welfare of all stakeholders: 245 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 customers, workers, 246 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 community and shareholders alike. 247 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Rule four: greed is not good. 248 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Being rapacious doesn't make you a capitalist, 249 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it makes you a sociopath. 250 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Laughter) 251 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause) 252 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And in an economy as dependent upon cooperation at scale as ours, 253 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sociopathy is as bad for business as it is for society. 254 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And fifth and finally, 255 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 unlike the laws of physics, 256 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the laws of economics are a choice. 257 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, neoliberal economic theory 258 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has sold itself to you as unchangeable natural law, 259 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when in fact it's social norms and constructive narratives 260 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 based on pseudoscience. 261 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If we truly want a more equitable, 262 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 more prosperous and more sustainable economy, 263 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if we want high-functioning democracies 264 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and civil society, 265 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we must have a new economics. 266 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And here's the good news: 267 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if we want a new economics, 268 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all we have to do is choose to have it. 269 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thank you. 270 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause) 271 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Moderator: So Nick, I'm sure you get this question a lot. 272 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If you're so unhappy with the economic system, 273 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 why not just give all your money away and join the 99 percent? 274 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Nick Hanauer: Yeah, no, yes, right. 275 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You get that a lot. You get that a lot. 276 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "If you care so much about taxes, why don't you pay more, 277 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if you care so much about wages, why don't you pay more?" 278 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I could do that. 279 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The problem is, 280 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it doesn't make that much difference, 281 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I have discovered a strategy 282 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that works literally a hundred thousand times better -- 283 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Moderator: OK. 284 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 NH: -- which is to use my money to build narratives and to pass laws 285 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that will require all the other rich people 286 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to pay taxes and pay their workers better. 287 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause) 288 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And so, for example, the 15 dollar minimum wage 289 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that we cooked up has now affected 30 million workers. 290 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So that works better. 291 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Moderator: That's great. 292 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If you change your mind, we'll find some takers for you. 293 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Laughter) 294 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 NH: OK. Thank you. Moderator: Thank you very much. 295 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause)