1 00:00:00,253 --> 00:00:02,430 Basking sharks are awesome creatures. 2 00:00:02,454 --> 00:00:03,777 They are just magnificent. 3 00:00:03,801 --> 00:00:06,976 They grow 10 meters long; some say bigger. 4 00:00:07,373 --> 00:00:09,388 They might weigh up to two tons. 5 00:00:09,412 --> 00:00:10,976 Some say up to five tons. 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,253 They're the second-largest fish in the world. 7 00:00:13,277 --> 00:00:15,889 They're also harmless plankton-feeding animals. 8 00:00:15,913 --> 00:00:21,349 And they are thought to be able to filter a cubic kilometer of water every hour 9 00:00:21,373 --> 00:00:26,110 and can feed on 30 kilos of zoo plankton a day to survive. 10 00:00:26,134 --> 00:00:27,499 They're fantastic creatures. 11 00:00:27,523 --> 00:00:28,880 We're very lucky in Ireland, 12 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:32,484 we have plenty of basking sharks and plenty of opportunities to study them. 13 00:00:32,508 --> 00:00:34,806 They were very important to coastal communities, 14 00:00:34,830 --> 00:00:36,266 going back hundreds of years, 15 00:00:36,290 --> 00:00:39,042 especially around the Claddaghduff, Connemara region 16 00:00:39,066 --> 00:00:42,664 where subsistence farmers used to sail out on their hookers and open boats, 17 00:00:42,688 --> 00:00:45,415 sometimes way offshore to a place called the Sunfish Bank, 18 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:47,216 about 30 miles west of Achill Island, 19 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,533 to kill the basking sharks. 20 00:00:48,557 --> 00:00:50,729 This is a woodcut from about the 1800s. 21 00:00:50,753 --> 00:00:53,504 They were very important, for the oil out of their liver. 22 00:00:53,528 --> 00:00:55,990 A third of the basking shark's size is their liver, 23 00:00:56,014 --> 00:00:57,797 and it's full of oil, gallons of oil. 24 00:00:57,821 --> 00:00:59,910 That oil was used especially for lighting, 25 00:00:59,934 --> 00:01:02,107 but also for dressing wounds and other things. 26 00:01:02,131 --> 00:01:04,017 In fact, the streetlights in 1742, 27 00:01:04,041 --> 00:01:05,565 of Galway, Dublin and Waterford, 28 00:01:05,589 --> 00:01:06,976 were lit with sunfish oil. 29 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,390 "Sunfish" is one of the words for basking sharks. 30 00:01:09,414 --> 00:01:11,430 So they were incredibly important animals. 31 00:01:11,454 --> 00:01:14,823 They've been around a long time, very important to coastal communities. 32 00:01:14,847 --> 00:01:18,141 Probably the best-documented basking shark fishery in the world 33 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:19,677 is that from Achill Island. 34 00:01:19,701 --> 00:01:22,076 This is Keem Bay up in Achill Island. 35 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,253 Sharks used to come into the bay, 36 00:01:24,277 --> 00:01:27,278 and the fishermen would tie a net off the headland, 37 00:01:27,302 --> 00:01:28,934 string it out, an old Manila net, 38 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:31,307 and as the shark came round, it would hit the net, 39 00:01:31,331 --> 00:01:32,727 the net would collapse on it. 40 00:01:32,751 --> 00:01:34,446 It would often drown and suffocate. 41 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:37,325 Or at times, they would row out in their small curraghs 42 00:01:37,349 --> 00:01:39,883 and kill it with a lance through the back of the neck. 43 00:01:39,907 --> 00:01:42,651 And then they'd tow the sharks back to Purteen Harbour, 44 00:01:42,675 --> 00:01:44,399 boil them up, use the oil. 45 00:01:44,423 --> 00:01:48,347 They also used the flesh as well, for fertilizer 46 00:01:48,371 --> 00:01:51,267 and also would fin the sharks. 47 00:01:51,291 --> 00:01:54,132 This is probably the biggest threat to sharks worldwide -- 48 00:01:54,156 --> 00:01:56,195 the finning of sharks. 49 00:01:56,219 --> 00:01:58,708 We're often frightened of sharks, thanks to "Jaws." 50 00:01:58,732 --> 00:02:01,786 Maybe five or six people get killed by sharks every year. 51 00:02:01,810 --> 00:02:04,985 There was someone recently, wasn't there? Just a couple weeks ago. 52 00:02:05,009 --> 00:02:06,976 We kill about 100 million sharks a year. 53 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,976 So I don't know what the balance is, 54 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,994 but I think sharks have more right to be fearful of us than we have of them. 55 00:02:13,018 --> 00:02:14,647 It was a well-documented fishery. 56 00:02:14,671 --> 00:02:16,874 As you can see here, it peaked in the '50s, 57 00:02:16,898 --> 00:02:18,995 where they were killing 1,500 sharks a year. 58 00:02:19,019 --> 00:02:21,953 And it declined very fast -- a classic boom-and-bust fishery, 59 00:02:21,977 --> 00:02:24,649 which suggests that a stock has been depleted 60 00:02:24,673 --> 00:02:26,611 or there's low reproductive rates. 61 00:02:26,635 --> 00:02:29,105 They killed about 12,000 sharks within this period, 62 00:02:29,129 --> 00:02:32,059 literally just by stringing a Manila rope 63 00:02:32,083 --> 00:02:34,661 off the tip of Keem Bay up in Achill Island. 64 00:02:35,177 --> 00:02:37,590 Sharks were still killed up into the mid-80s, 65 00:02:37,614 --> 00:02:40,627 especially out of places like Dunmore East in County Waterford. 66 00:02:40,651 --> 00:02:43,480 About two and a half, 3,000 sharks were killed up till '85, 67 00:02:43,504 --> 00:02:45,198 mainly by Norwegian vessels. 68 00:02:45,222 --> 00:02:46,376 You can't really see, 69 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,939 but these are Norwegian basking shark hunting vessels. 70 00:02:48,963 --> 00:02:52,518 The black line in the crow's nest signifies this is a shark vessel, 71 00:02:52,542 --> 00:02:54,614 rather than a whaling vessel. 72 00:02:54,638 --> 00:02:57,483 The importance of basking sharks to the coast communities 73 00:02:57,507 --> 00:02:59,185 is recognized through the language. 74 00:02:59,209 --> 00:03:01,494 I don't pretend to [know many Irish words], 75 00:03:01,518 --> 00:03:05,076 but in Kerry they were often known as "ainmhide Na seolta," 76 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:06,675 "the monster with the sails." 77 00:03:07,101 --> 00:03:10,105 Another title would be "liop an dá lapa," 78 00:03:10,129 --> 00:03:12,039 "the unwieldy beast with two fins." 79 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:15,835 "Liabhán mór," suggesting a big animal. 80 00:03:15,859 --> 00:03:19,362 Or my favorite, "liabhán chor gréine," "the great fish of the sun." 81 00:03:19,386 --> 00:03:20,922 That's a lovely, evocative name. 82 00:03:20,946 --> 00:03:24,476 On Tory Island -- a strange place anyway -- they were known as "muldoons." 83 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:25,521 (Laughter) 84 00:03:25,545 --> 00:03:26,740 No one seems to know why. 85 00:03:26,764 --> 00:03:29,099 Hope there's no one from Tory here. Lovely place. 86 00:03:29,123 --> 00:03:33,146 But more commonly all around the island, they were known as the sunfish. 87 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:35,879 And this represents their habit of basking on the surface 88 00:03:35,903 --> 00:03:37,061 when the sun is out. 89 00:03:37,085 --> 00:03:39,648 There's great concern that basking sharks are depleted 90 00:03:39,672 --> 00:03:41,185 all throughout the world. 91 00:03:41,209 --> 00:03:43,202 Some say it's not population decline, 92 00:03:43,226 --> 00:03:45,715 it might be a change in the distribution of plankton. 93 00:03:45,739 --> 00:03:46,896 It's been suggested 94 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,144 that these sharks would make fantastic indicators of climate change, 95 00:03:50,168 --> 00:03:52,579 as they're basically continuous plankton recorders, 96 00:03:52,603 --> 00:03:54,423 swimming around with their mouth open. 97 00:03:54,447 --> 00:03:56,732 They're now listed as vulnerable under the IUCN. 98 00:03:56,756 --> 00:03:59,716 There's movements in Europe to try and stop catching them. 99 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:02,196 There's now a ban on catching and even landing them, 100 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:04,285 even landing ones caught accidentally. 101 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:05,897 They're not protected in Ireland; 102 00:04:05,921 --> 00:04:08,906 in fact, they have no legislative status in Ireland whatsoever, 103 00:04:08,930 --> 00:04:10,860 despite our importance for the species 104 00:04:10,884 --> 00:04:14,438 and also the historical context within which basking sharks reside. 105 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:15,976 We know very little about them. 106 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:18,101 And most of what we do know 107 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:20,911 is based on their habit of coming to the surface -- 108 00:04:20,935 --> 00:04:24,337 we try and guess what they're doing from their behavior on the surface. 109 00:04:24,361 --> 00:04:27,429 I only found out last year, at a conference on the Isle of Man, 110 00:04:27,453 --> 00:04:30,167 just how unusual it is to live somewhere 111 00:04:30,191 --> 00:04:33,738 where basking sharks regularly, frequently and predictably 112 00:04:33,762 --> 00:04:36,306 come to the surface to "bask." 113 00:04:36,726 --> 00:04:38,821 It's a fantastic opportunity for a scientist 114 00:04:38,845 --> 00:04:40,646 to see and experience basking sharks. 115 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:42,019 They are awesome creatures. 116 00:04:42,043 --> 00:04:45,499 It gives us a fantastic opportunity to study them, to get access to them. 117 00:04:45,523 --> 00:04:48,921 What we've been doing for a couple years -- last year was a big year -- 118 00:04:48,945 --> 00:04:50,799 is we started tagging sharks, 119 00:04:50,823 --> 00:04:53,869 so we could try to get some idea of sight fidelity and movement 120 00:04:53,893 --> 00:04:55,051 and things like that. 121 00:04:55,075 --> 00:04:58,376 So we concentrated mainly in North Donegal and West Kerry 122 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,111 as the two areas where I was mainly active. 123 00:05:01,135 --> 00:05:05,292 And we tagged them very simply, not very high-tech, 124 00:05:05,316 --> 00:05:06,492 with a big, long pole. 125 00:05:06,516 --> 00:05:09,142 This is a beachcaster rod with a tag on the end. 126 00:05:09,166 --> 00:05:11,837 You go up in your boat and tag the shark. 127 00:05:12,599 --> 00:05:14,147 And we were very effective. 128 00:05:14,171 --> 00:05:17,009 We tagged 105 sharks last summer. 129 00:05:17,033 --> 00:05:20,684 We got 50 in three days off Inishowen Peninsula. 130 00:05:20,708 --> 00:05:22,265 Half the challenge to get access 131 00:05:22,289 --> 00:05:24,503 is to be in the right place at the right time. 132 00:05:24,527 --> 00:05:27,996 But it's a very simple, easy technique; I'll show you what it looks like. 133 00:05:28,020 --> 00:05:30,871 We use a pole camera on the boat to actually film the shark. 134 00:05:30,895 --> 00:05:33,432 One, it's to try and work out the gender of the shark. 135 00:05:33,456 --> 00:05:37,119 We also deployed some satellite tags, so we did use high-tech stuff as well. 136 00:05:37,143 --> 00:05:38,452 These are archival tags. 137 00:05:38,476 --> 00:05:40,415 What they do is store the data. 138 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,325 A satellite tag only works when the air is clear of the water 139 00:05:43,349 --> 00:05:45,246 and can send a signal to the satellite. 140 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:47,725 And sharks and fish are underwater most of the time, 141 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:50,678 so this tag actually works out the locations of shark, 142 00:05:50,702 --> 00:05:54,064 depending on the timing and the setting of the sun, 143 00:05:54,088 --> 00:05:56,039 plus water temperature and depth. 144 00:05:56,063 --> 00:05:58,231 And you have to kind of reconstruct the path. 145 00:05:58,255 --> 00:05:59,428 What happens is, 146 00:05:59,452 --> 00:06:02,542 you set the tag to detach from the shark after a fixed period -- 147 00:06:02,566 --> 00:06:03,964 in this case, eight months -- 148 00:06:03,988 --> 00:06:06,096 and literally to the day, the tag popped off, 149 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,999 drifted up, said hello to the satellite 150 00:06:08,023 --> 00:06:10,892 and sent, not all the data, but enough data for us to use. 151 00:06:10,916 --> 00:06:14,160 This is the only way to really work out their behavior and movements 152 00:06:14,184 --> 00:06:15,375 when they're underwater. 153 00:06:16,277 --> 00:06:18,376 And here's a couple of maps that we've done. 154 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,556 In that one, you can see that we tagged both off Kerry. 155 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:25,065 Basically, it spent all its time, the last eight months, in Irish waters. 156 00:06:25,089 --> 00:06:27,098 On Christmas, it was out on the shelf edge. 157 00:06:27,122 --> 00:06:29,066 Here's one we haven't ground-truthed yet 158 00:06:29,090 --> 00:06:31,215 with sea-surface temperature and water depth, 159 00:06:31,239 --> 00:06:33,592 but again, the second shark spent most of its time 160 00:06:33,616 --> 00:06:34,965 in and around the Irish Sea. 161 00:06:34,989 --> 00:06:38,167 Colleagues from the Isle of Man last year actually tagged one shark 162 00:06:38,191 --> 00:06:41,375 that went from the Isle of Man to Nova Scotia in about 90 days. 163 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:44,722 Nine and a half thousand kilometers -- we never thought that happened. 164 00:06:44,746 --> 00:06:48,670 Another colleague in the States tagged about 20 sharks off Massachusetts. 165 00:06:48,694 --> 00:06:50,134 His tags didn't really work. 166 00:06:50,158 --> 00:06:51,991 All he knows is where he tagged them, 167 00:06:52,015 --> 00:06:53,483 and where they popped off. 168 00:06:53,507 --> 00:06:55,825 His tags popped off in the Caribbean, 169 00:06:55,849 --> 00:06:57,376 and even in Brazil. 170 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,715 We thought basking sharks were temperate animals 171 00:06:59,739 --> 00:07:01,231 and lived in our latitudes, 172 00:07:01,255 --> 00:07:04,447 but in actual fact, they're obviously crossing the equator as well. 173 00:07:04,471 --> 00:07:06,233 So very simple things like that, 174 00:07:06,257 --> 00:07:08,305 we're trying to learn about basking sharks. 175 00:07:09,088 --> 00:07:13,661 One thing that I think is a very surprising and strange thing 176 00:07:13,685 --> 00:07:16,650 is just how low the genetic diversity of sharks is. 177 00:07:16,674 --> 00:07:20,135 I'm not a geneticist, so I won't pretend to understand the genetics. 178 00:07:20,159 --> 00:07:22,516 And that's why it's great to have collaboration. 179 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:23,852 Whereas I'm a field person, 180 00:07:23,876 --> 00:07:25,400 I get panic attacks 181 00:07:25,424 --> 00:07:28,572 if I have to spend too many hours in a lab with a white coat on. 182 00:07:28,596 --> 00:07:29,827 Take me away. 183 00:07:29,851 --> 00:07:32,431 So we can work with geneticists who understand that. 184 00:07:32,455 --> 00:07:35,035 So when they looked at the genetics of basking sharks, 185 00:07:35,059 --> 00:07:38,068 they found that the diversity was incredibly low. 186 00:07:38,092 --> 00:07:39,951 If you look at the first line, really, 187 00:07:39,975 --> 00:07:43,431 you can see that all these different shark species are all quite similar. 188 00:07:43,455 --> 00:07:45,233 I think this means they're all sharks 189 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:47,187 and they've come from a common ancestry. 190 00:07:47,211 --> 00:07:49,281 But if you look at nucleotide diversity, 191 00:07:49,305 --> 00:07:52,525 which is more genetics that are passed on through the parents, 192 00:07:52,549 --> 00:07:55,382 you see that basking sharks, if you look at the first study, 193 00:07:55,406 --> 00:07:59,376 was order of magnitude less diverse even than other shark species. 194 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,472 You can see this work was only done in 2006. 195 00:08:01,496 --> 00:08:05,133 Before 2006, we had no idea of the genetic variability of basking sharks. 196 00:08:05,157 --> 00:08:08,270 We had no idea: Did they distinguish into different populations? 197 00:08:08,294 --> 00:08:09,569 Were there subpopulations? 198 00:08:09,593 --> 00:08:11,744 And that's very important if you want to know 199 00:08:11,768 --> 00:08:14,545 what the population size is, and the status of the animals. 200 00:08:14,569 --> 00:08:18,180 So, Les Noble in Aberdeen kind of found this a bit unbelievable, really. 201 00:08:18,204 --> 00:08:24,789 So he did another study using microsatellites, 202 00:08:24,813 --> 00:08:27,424 which is much more expensive, much more time-consuming, 203 00:08:27,448 --> 00:08:30,709 and to his surprise, came up with almost identical results. 204 00:08:30,733 --> 00:08:33,645 So it does seem to be that basking sharks, for some reason, 205 00:08:33,669 --> 00:08:35,439 have incredibly low diversity. 206 00:08:35,463 --> 00:08:37,957 And it's thought maybe it was a genetic bottleneck, 207 00:08:37,981 --> 00:08:40,052 thought to have been 12,000 years ago, 208 00:08:40,076 --> 00:08:42,600 and this has caused a very low diversity. 209 00:08:42,624 --> 00:08:44,584 And yet, if you look at the whale shark, 210 00:08:44,608 --> 00:08:47,323 which is the other plankton-eating large shark, 211 00:08:47,347 --> 00:08:48,818 its diversity is much greater. 212 00:08:48,842 --> 00:08:51,277 So it doesn't really make sense at all. 213 00:08:51,301 --> 00:08:53,735 They found that there was no genetic differentiation 214 00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:56,220 between any of the world's oceans of basking sharks: 215 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:58,482 even though they're found throughout the world, 216 00:08:58,506 --> 00:09:00,664 you couldn't tell the difference, genetically, 217 00:09:00,688 --> 00:09:04,121 from one from the Pacific, Atlantic, New Zealand, Ireland, South Africa. 218 00:09:04,145 --> 00:09:05,724 They all basically seem the same. 219 00:09:05,748 --> 00:09:08,653 Which, again, is kind of surprising; you wouldn't expect that. 220 00:09:08,677 --> 00:09:11,024 I don't understand or pretend to understand this; 221 00:09:11,048 --> 00:09:12,958 I suspect most geneticists don't either, 222 00:09:12,982 --> 00:09:14,376 but they produce the numbers. 223 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,727 So you can actually estimate the population size 224 00:09:16,751 --> 00:09:18,921 based on the diversity of the genetics. 225 00:09:18,945 --> 00:09:22,497 And Rus Hoelzel came up with an effective population size: 226 00:09:22,521 --> 00:09:24,354 8,200 animals. 227 00:09:24,378 --> 00:09:27,282 That's it -- 8,000 animals in the world. 228 00:09:27,306 --> 00:09:29,528 You're thinking, "That's ridiculous. No way." 229 00:09:29,552 --> 00:09:31,376 So Les did a finer study, 230 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,178 and he found out it came out about 9,000. 231 00:09:34,202 --> 00:09:37,083 Using different microsatellites gave the different results, 232 00:09:37,107 --> 00:09:41,748 but the mean of all these studies is about 5,000, 233 00:09:41,772 --> 00:09:43,376 which I personally don't believe. 234 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,030 But then, I am a skeptic. 235 00:09:45,054 --> 00:09:47,483 But even if you toss a few numbers around, 236 00:09:47,507 --> 00:09:50,924 you're probably talking an effective population of about 20,000 animals. 237 00:09:50,948 --> 00:09:55,463 Do you remember how many they killed off Achill in the 70s and the 50s? 238 00:09:55,487 --> 00:09:57,183 So what it tells us, actually, 239 00:09:57,207 --> 00:10:00,459 is that there's actually a risk of extinction of this species 240 00:10:00,483 --> 00:10:02,376 because its population is so small. 241 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,931 In fact, of those 20,000, 242 00:10:03,955 --> 00:10:06,123 8,000 were thought to be females. 243 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:08,834 There's only 8,000 basking shark females in the world? 244 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:10,704 I don't know. I don't believe it. 245 00:10:11,125 --> 00:10:14,768 The problem with this is they were constrained with samples. 246 00:10:14,792 --> 00:10:16,375 They didn't get enough samples 247 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,119 to really explore the genetics in enough detail. 248 00:10:20,714 --> 00:10:25,201 So, where do you get samples from for your genetic analysis? 249 00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:28,458 Well, one obvious source is dead sharks -- 250 00:10:28,482 --> 00:10:29,734 dead sharks, washed up. 251 00:10:29,758 --> 00:10:33,014 We might get two or three dead sharks washed up in Ireland a year, 252 00:10:33,038 --> 00:10:34,560 if we're kind of lucky. 253 00:10:34,584 --> 00:10:36,934 Another source would be fisheries' bycatch. 254 00:10:36,958 --> 00:10:39,947 We were getting quite a few caught in surface drift nets. 255 00:10:39,971 --> 00:10:42,757 That's banned now, and that'll be good news for the sharks. 256 00:10:42,781 --> 00:10:44,698 And some are caught in nets, in trawls. 257 00:10:44,722 --> 00:10:48,340 This is a shark that was actually landed in Howth just before Christmas -- 258 00:10:48,364 --> 00:10:51,391 illegally, because you're not allowed to do that under EU law -- 259 00:10:51,415 --> 00:10:54,253 and was actually sold for eight euros a kilo as shark steak. 260 00:10:54,277 --> 00:10:56,101 They even put a recipe up on the wall, 261 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:57,903 until they were told it was illegal. 262 00:10:57,927 --> 00:10:59,806 They actually did get a fine for that. 263 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:02,156 So if you look at all those studies I showed you, 264 00:11:02,180 --> 00:11:04,836 the total number of samples worldwide 265 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:06,384 is 86, at present. 266 00:11:06,858 --> 00:11:08,950 So it's very important work, 267 00:11:08,974 --> 00:11:11,069 and they can ask some really good questions, 268 00:11:11,093 --> 00:11:15,376 and tell us about population size and subpopulations and structure, 269 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,053 but they're constrained by lack of samples. 270 00:11:18,744 --> 00:11:20,593 When we were out tagging our sharks -- 271 00:11:20,617 --> 00:11:23,927 this is how we tagged them on the front of a RIB, get in there fast -- 272 00:11:23,951 --> 00:11:26,117 occasionally, the sharks do react. 273 00:11:26,141 --> 00:11:28,892 On one occasion, when we were up in Malin Head in Donegal, 274 00:11:28,916 --> 00:11:31,414 the shark smacked the side of the boat with his tail, 275 00:11:31,438 --> 00:11:34,582 more, I think, in startle to the fact that a boat came near it, 276 00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:36,592 rather than the tag going in. 277 00:11:36,957 --> 00:11:39,353 And that was fine. We got wet. No problem. 278 00:11:39,876 --> 00:11:43,866 And then when myself and Emmett got back to Malin Head, to the pier, 279 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:46,332 I noticed some black slime on the front of the boat. 280 00:11:46,356 --> 00:11:49,085 I used to spend a lot of time on commercial fishing boats, 281 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:50,588 and I remember fishermen saying 282 00:11:50,612 --> 00:11:53,435 they can tell when a basking shark has been caught in a net, 283 00:11:53,459 --> 00:11:55,339 because it leaves a black slime behind. 284 00:11:55,363 --> 00:11:57,194 So that must have come from the shark. 285 00:11:57,218 --> 00:12:00,612 Now, we had an interest in getting tissue samples for genetics 286 00:12:00,636 --> 00:12:02,622 because we knew they were very valuable. 287 00:12:02,646 --> 00:12:04,303 We would use conventional methods; 288 00:12:04,327 --> 00:12:06,644 I have a crossbow -- you see it in my hand there, 289 00:12:06,668 --> 00:12:10,154 which we use to sample whales and dolphins for genetic studies as well. 290 00:12:10,178 --> 00:12:12,153 So I tried that, I tried many techniques. 291 00:12:12,177 --> 00:12:14,106 All it was doing was breaking my arrows, 292 00:12:14,130 --> 00:12:16,155 because the shark's skin is just so strong. 293 00:12:16,179 --> 00:12:18,955 There was no way we were going to get a sample from that. 294 00:12:18,979 --> 00:12:20,556 That wasn't going to work. 295 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:23,137 So when I saw the black slime on the bow of the boat, 296 00:12:23,161 --> 00:12:26,138 I thought, "If you take what you're given in this world ..." 297 00:12:26,162 --> 00:12:27,326 So I scraped it off. 298 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:31,745 I had a little tube with alcohol in it to send to the geneticists. 299 00:12:31,769 --> 00:12:34,824 So I scraped the slime off and sent it to Aberdeen, 300 00:12:34,848 --> 00:12:36,364 and said, "You might try that." 301 00:12:36,388 --> 00:12:37,998 And they sat on it for months. 302 00:12:38,022 --> 00:12:40,834 It was only because we had a conference on the Isle of Man. 303 00:12:40,858 --> 00:12:42,397 But I kept emailing Les, saying, 304 00:12:42,421 --> 00:12:44,516 "Have you had a chance to look at my slime?" 305 00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:46,383 And he was like, "Yeah, yeah. Later." 306 00:12:46,407 --> 00:12:49,230 He thought he'd better do it because I never met him before; 307 00:12:49,254 --> 00:12:52,009 he might lose face if he hadn't done the thing I sent him. 308 00:12:52,033 --> 00:12:54,884 And he was amazed that they actually got DNA from the slime. 309 00:12:54,908 --> 00:12:56,743 They amplified it and they tested it, 310 00:12:56,767 --> 00:12:59,565 and they found, yes, this was actually basking shark DNA, 311 00:12:59,589 --> 00:13:01,526 which was got from the slime. 312 00:13:02,568 --> 00:13:03,733 So he was very excited. 313 00:13:03,757 --> 00:13:07,042 It became known as "Simon's shark slime." 314 00:13:07,066 --> 00:13:09,957 And I thought, "Hey, you know, I can build on this." 315 00:13:09,981 --> 00:13:13,743 So we thought, OK, we're going to try to get out and get some slime. 316 00:13:13,767 --> 00:13:17,401 So having spent three-and-a-half thousand on satellite tags ... 317 00:13:19,987 --> 00:13:23,424 I then thought I'd invest 7.95 -- the price is still on it -- 318 00:13:23,448 --> 00:13:25,638 in my local hardware store in Kilrush 319 00:13:25,662 --> 00:13:27,432 for a mop handle, 320 00:13:27,456 --> 00:13:30,376 and even less money on some oven cleaners. 321 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,871 And I wrapped the oven cleaner around the edge of the mop handle 322 00:13:33,895 --> 00:13:35,376 and ... 323 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,958 (Laughter) 324 00:13:36,982 --> 00:13:40,513 I was desperate to have an opportunity to get some sharks. 325 00:13:40,537 --> 00:13:44,930 And this was into August now, and normally sharks peak in June, July, 326 00:13:44,954 --> 00:13:47,943 and you rarely see them, or rarely can be in the right place 327 00:13:47,967 --> 00:13:49,518 to find sharks into August. 328 00:13:49,542 --> 00:13:51,972 We were desperate, so we rushed out to the Blaskets 329 00:13:51,996 --> 00:13:54,066 as soon as we heard there were sharks there, 330 00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:55,617 and managed to find some sharks. 331 00:13:55,641 --> 00:13:59,105 So by just rubbing the mop handle down the shark 332 00:13:59,129 --> 00:14:00,697 as it swam under the boat -- 333 00:14:00,721 --> 00:14:03,231 you see a shark running under the boat here -- 334 00:14:03,255 --> 00:14:04,597 we managed to collect slime. 335 00:14:04,621 --> 00:14:05,869 And here it is. 336 00:14:05,893 --> 00:14:09,622 Look at that lovely black shark slime. 337 00:14:09,646 --> 00:14:14,239 And in about half an hour, we got five samples. 338 00:14:14,263 --> 00:14:16,016 Five individual sharks were sampled 339 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,872 using Simon's Shark Slime Sampling System. 340 00:14:18,896 --> 00:14:20,711 (Laughter) 341 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:26,066 (Applause) 342 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:29,344 I've been working on whales and dolphins in Ireland for 20 years now, 343 00:14:29,368 --> 00:14:30,907 and they're a bit more dramatic. 344 00:14:30,931 --> 00:14:32,967 You probably saw the humpback whale footage 345 00:14:32,991 --> 00:14:35,101 we got a month or two ago off County Wexford. 346 00:14:35,125 --> 00:14:37,375 And you always think you might have some legacy 347 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:38,893 you can leave the world behind, 348 00:14:38,917 --> 00:14:41,852 and I was thinking of humpback whales breaching and dolphins. 349 00:14:41,876 --> 00:14:44,261 But hey -- sometimes these things are sent to you 350 00:14:44,285 --> 00:14:46,477 and you just have to take them when they come. 351 00:14:46,501 --> 00:14:48,598 So this is possibly going to be my legacy -- 352 00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:50,264 Simon's Shark Slime. 353 00:14:50,288 --> 00:14:51,922 We got more money this year 354 00:14:51,946 --> 00:14:54,567 to carry on collecting more and more samples. 355 00:14:54,591 --> 00:14:57,531 One thing that is very useful is that we use a pole camera -- 356 00:14:57,555 --> 00:14:59,968 this is my colleague, Joanne, with a pole camera -- 357 00:14:59,992 --> 00:15:01,931 where you can look underneath the shark. 358 00:15:01,955 --> 00:15:04,724 What you're trying to look at is, the males have claspers, 359 00:15:04,748 --> 00:15:07,368 which kind of dangle out behind the back of the shark. 360 00:15:07,392 --> 00:15:09,989 So you can quite easily tell the gender of the shark. 361 00:15:10,013 --> 00:15:13,760 If we can tell the gender of the shark before we sample it, 362 00:15:13,784 --> 00:15:16,891 we can tell the geneticist this was taken from a male or a female. 363 00:15:16,915 --> 00:15:19,418 Because in the moment, they have no way, genetically, 364 00:15:19,442 --> 00:15:21,980 of telling the difference between a male and a female, 365 00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:23,163 which I find staggering, 366 00:15:23,187 --> 00:15:25,772 because they don't know what primers to look for. 367 00:15:25,796 --> 00:15:28,110 Being able to tell the gender of a shark 368 00:15:28,134 --> 00:15:32,376 is very important for things like policing the trade 369 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,796 in basking shark and other species through the sightings, 370 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:39,035 because it is illegal to trade in these sharks. 371 00:15:39,059 --> 00:15:41,097 And they are caught and are on the market. 372 00:15:41,121 --> 00:15:42,492 So as a field biologist, 373 00:15:42,516 --> 00:15:44,962 you just want to get encounters with these animals, 374 00:15:44,986 --> 00:15:46,376 and learn as much as you can. 375 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,810 They're often quite brief, they're often very seasonally constrained. 376 00:15:49,834 --> 00:15:52,739 You just want to learn as much as you can as soon as you can. 377 00:15:52,763 --> 00:15:54,530 But isn't it fantastic 378 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:58,053 that you can then offer these samples and opportunities 379 00:15:58,077 --> 00:16:00,897 to other disciplines, such as the geneticists, 380 00:16:00,921 --> 00:16:03,376 who can gain so much more from that. 381 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,106 So as I said, these things are sent to you in strange ways. 382 00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:08,376 Grab them while you can. 383 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,342 I'll take that as my scientific legacy. 384 00:16:10,366 --> 00:16:13,453 Hopefully, I might get something a bit more dramatic and romantic 385 00:16:13,477 --> 00:16:14,726 before I die. 386 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:17,155 But for the time being, thank you for that. 387 00:16:17,179 --> 00:16:18,665 And keep an eye out for sharks. 388 00:16:18,689 --> 00:16:22,435 If you're more interested, we have a basking shark website now set up. 389 00:16:22,459 --> 00:16:24,429 So thank you and thank you for listening. 390 00:16:24,453 --> 00:16:26,400 (Applause)