1 00:00:18,090 --> 00:00:20,704 [ Marina Abramović ] An artist's relation to solitude. 2 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:25,729 An artist must make time for the long period of solitude. 3 00:00:26,614 --> 00:00:29,257 Solitude is extremely important. 4 00:00:30,209 --> 00:00:33,742 Away from home, away from studio, 5 00:00:34,030 --> 00:00:37,505 away from family, away from friends. 6 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:48,345 An artist has to understand silence. 7 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,603 An artist has to create a space for silence to enter his work. 8 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:57,360 Silence is like an island 9 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,570 in the middle of turbulent ocean. 10 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,750 My physical endurance and the extreme willpower 11 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:17,334 I think I got from my mother and my father, 12 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:19,410 because my mother and my father, 13 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:23,213 they really believe in the communism, 14 00:01:23,213 --> 00:01:26,963 and they believe in sacrifice for the cause. 15 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:28,250 Your personal life was nothing. 16 00:01:28,250 --> 00:01:30,990 It's important what you are living for. 17 00:01:31,654 --> 00:01:35,510 It's just, like, very, very stoic and very dedicated. 18 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:37,951 That's how I was educated. 19 00:01:38,349 --> 00:01:41,840 My mother, when her water broke when she was giving birth to me, 20 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,610 she was having communist party meeting, 21 00:01:43,610 --> 00:01:45,891 and she didn't want to stop before she finished it. 22 00:01:45,891 --> 00:01:46,970 And then she went to the hospital 23 00:01:46,970 --> 00:01:48,548 and give the birth to me. 24 00:01:51,582 --> 00:01:52,560 I was thinking this is normal. 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,500 I was thinking this is how it was supposed to be. 26 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:57,333 I didn't think that everything else can be different. 27 00:02:19,216 --> 00:02:20,970 Coming from former Yugoslavia, 28 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:23,460 from the really interesting family background, 29 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:26,940 which mother and father don't believe in any kind of religion 30 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:29,480 and being taken care of by my grandmother, 31 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,530 who was completely religious fanatic, 32 00:02:32,416 --> 00:02:33,920 having, you know, grandfather 33 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,429 who was a saint of the orthodox church, 34 00:02:37,004 --> 00:02:40,250 that was a kind of almost unbeatable combination 35 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:42,000 to grow as an artist. 36 00:02:43,803 --> 00:02:45,412 Full of contradictions. 37 00:02:58,322 --> 00:03:01,500 Performance is a tool how i can express myself. 38 00:03:02,275 --> 00:03:04,140 And I think, in the life of an artist, 39 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:07,292 it's very important to find the right tool. 40 00:03:09,285 --> 00:03:10,830 And I have to say that I was very lucky 41 00:03:10,830 --> 00:03:13,073 that it came so early to me, so clearly. 42 00:03:14,534 --> 00:03:17,451 Since I remember, I was always drawing everywhere. 43 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:20,720 I start on the little, you know, papers 44 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,349 and then i went to the walls 45 00:03:22,349 --> 00:03:24,540 and then the parents really understood 46 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:26,349 that they should give me more papers 47 00:03:26,349 --> 00:03:28,450 and then I started doing the canvases 48 00:03:28,450 --> 00:03:30,696 and then in no time, I was painting. 49 00:03:32,954 --> 00:03:35,500 And with age 12, I had my first exhibition. 50 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,840 I remember that my first period which I was painting, 51 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,640 it was something given to me already; it was my dreams. 52 00:03:46,592 --> 00:03:48,260 I had very, very vivid dreams. 53 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:50,220 Sometimes the dream was more than reality, 54 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:53,670 and I will wake up, and reality will look like the dream, 55 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:55,690 and dream look like real thing. 56 00:03:58,569 --> 00:04:00,440 So the dreams was always being painted 57 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,670 in a kind of blue and green. 58 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:05,330 Just these two colors I had. 59 00:04:07,389 --> 00:04:10,379 And later on, I remember being very interested 60 00:04:10,379 --> 00:04:12,000 in truck accidents. 61 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:17,920 I was crazy about communist big green trucks 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,451 and how they're colliding. 63 00:04:20,005 --> 00:04:23,120 So I would go to the actually scenes of accidents took place, 64 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,977 take photographs, go back, and paint them. 65 00:04:28,808 --> 00:04:29,838 And then I was thinking, 66 00:04:29,838 --> 00:04:32,840 "Okay, but what if the big truck will be hit by the little car, 67 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,100 like a children car?" 68 00:04:35,894 --> 00:04:37,850 So I will go and buy little toys 69 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:39,270 and I would put them on the highways 70 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:41,690 and I waited the big truck, you know, smash them. 71 00:04:44,968 --> 00:04:46,001 And what happened? 72 00:04:46,001 --> 00:04:47,850 This little toys was always being untouched 73 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:49,150 by the big trucks. 74 00:04:51,121 --> 00:04:54,320 So I started going home and painting these big trucks 75 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,660 being smashed by these wonderful little innocent 76 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:58,058 children trucks. 77 00:05:02,951 --> 00:05:06,070 And then after trucks, I get to new period altogether, 78 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:07,891 and I start paint the sky. 79 00:05:09,906 --> 00:05:12,276 And I was crazy about clouds. 80 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,790 The clouds were coming, the shadows and the clouds, 81 00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:21,139 and it kind of become a kind of mystical chemical 82 00:05:21,139 --> 00:05:22,990 kind of a dimension. 83 00:05:27,795 --> 00:05:30,060 And I remember so well that moment, 84 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:33,924 and I think I was in my beginning of my 20s, 85 00:05:34,189 --> 00:05:36,233 lying on the grass field 86 00:05:37,539 --> 00:05:40,970 and looking to the sky. Just plain blue sky. 87 00:05:41,811 --> 00:05:43,160 And in this plain blue sky, 88 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,274 I saw the 12 ultrasonic airplanes passing by 89 00:05:47,274 --> 00:05:49,798 and leaving this complete sharp line. 90 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:54,259 I see in the front of my eyes, first, blue sky, 91 00:05:54,613 --> 00:05:58,449 then the lines created by ultrasonic planes 92 00:05:58,449 --> 00:06:01,496 dissolve in the air into blue sky again. 93 00:06:02,182 --> 00:06:05,648 And I think it was, for me, like a spiritual revelation. 94 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,920 I remember stand up and I want immediately 95 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,772 to go to the military headquarters 96 00:06:13,772 --> 00:06:16,759 and ask general there if they can borrow me 97 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,990 12 ultrasonic planes to make the drawings in the sky. 98 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:22,090 My father was the general. 99 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:24,362 Because they know my father, they immediately called him 100 00:06:24,362 --> 00:06:25,650 and say, "Your daughter's completely crazy. 101 00:06:25,650 --> 00:06:26,860 get her out of here." 102 00:06:28,144 --> 00:06:31,590 "Do you know how much it costs to fly the ultrasonic planes 103 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,014 for her to make drawings in the sky?" 104 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:40,349 So very early, understood that 105 00:06:40,349 --> 00:06:42,144 there is certain things I can't do. 106 00:06:45,665 --> 00:06:47,610 But in the same time, I got a revelation 107 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:49,560 in this moment of looking to blue sky 108 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,539 that actually I can use everything I want. 109 00:06:51,539 --> 00:06:53,653 I can use the water, the islands, 110 00:06:53,653 --> 00:06:57,210 the fire, the earth, the air, and myself. 111 00:07:03,233 --> 00:07:05,380 And this was the moment that I decided 112 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:07,569 that it's completely ridiculous to go to the studio 113 00:07:07,569 --> 00:07:09,971 and make something that is two-dimensional 114 00:07:10,259 --> 00:07:13,085 when I could have entire world there for me. 115 00:07:17,802 --> 00:07:19,891 And that's when I stopped painting. 116 00:07:40,633 --> 00:07:42,574 So after this huge revelation, 117 00:07:42,574 --> 00:07:43,970 actually what for me was very interesting 118 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:46,200 is to start working with the sound. 119 00:07:48,525 --> 00:07:50,129 What was interesting me about the sound 120 00:07:50,129 --> 00:07:53,250 is to create sound environments where, you know, 121 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:54,970 you have one impression listening to the sound 122 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:57,531 but visually, completely another impression. 123 00:07:59,058 --> 00:08:02,030 So the first idea I had, it was to put the speakers 124 00:08:02,030 --> 00:08:04,099 on the bridge, of the main bridge in Belgrade, 125 00:08:04,099 --> 00:08:05,909 with the sound of bridge collapsing. 126 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:09,330 So when you're on the bridge itself, 127 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:11,280 with every three minutes, the bridge is falling down 128 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,070 but, visually, it's not. 129 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:16,419 And of course to do such action, you need to get permission 130 00:08:16,419 --> 00:08:18,069 from the city mayor. 131 00:08:18,069 --> 00:08:20,560 So i went to the city mayor house. 132 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,729 Again, happened the same thing, 133 00:08:21,729 --> 00:08:24,250 they absolutely forbid to do this, 134 00:08:24,250 --> 00:08:27,530 because they told me that, actually, from the vibrations 135 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:30,703 with that kind of sound, the bridge can really fall down. 136 00:08:30,703 --> 00:08:31,793 So I could not do it. 137 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:38,159 Then I did it with the building where I was living, 138 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,319 but it was only for ten minutes the whole piece, 139 00:08:40,319 --> 00:08:42,849 because the people, inhabitants, were just running out 140 00:08:42,849 --> 00:08:45,016 thinking that everything's bombed. 141 00:08:45,437 --> 00:08:47,623 So that was kind of big mess. 142 00:08:51,011 --> 00:08:54,120 Somehow dealing with the sound, I come to the point 143 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,470 when I had my first performance "Rhythm 10," 144 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:58,471 which actually used the knives. 145 00:08:58,581 --> 00:09:00,784 And the "Rhythm 10" is a sound piece, again. 146 00:09:01,138 --> 00:09:02,650 I have the, you know, tape recorders 147 00:09:02,650 --> 00:09:05,005 and I was doing certain game twice. 148 00:09:06,311 --> 00:09:08,172 When it was my body involved. 149 00:09:09,301 --> 00:09:12,260 And the moment when I involved my body in the performance, 150 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:15,500 this incredible energy dialogue was established with the public. 151 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:17,186 It was so overwhelming 152 00:09:17,651 --> 00:09:20,752 that I could not ever come back to any other form of art. 153 00:09:28,126 --> 00:09:31,950 In the beginning, in my early work with performance, 154 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:34,459 I really embraced repetition. 155 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:40,420 It was to repeat certain action over and over again 156 00:09:40,420 --> 00:09:44,015 to come to the kind of almost charismatic state of mind. 157 00:09:47,181 --> 00:09:48,649 And the performances in the beginning, 158 00:09:48,649 --> 00:09:51,110 quite violent and very tough. 159 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:52,720 You know, like run into the wall 160 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,440 or breaking the walls, 161 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,890 cutting the stars in the stomach, 162 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:58,550 lying on the ice, beating yourself 163 00:09:58,550 --> 00:10:01,466 to see how far, physically, you can go 164 00:10:02,839 --> 00:10:05,640 and transcendent, actually, the painful experience 165 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:06,987 into something else. 166 00:10:11,106 --> 00:10:14,010 Later on, the more and more performance I develop, 167 00:10:14,010 --> 00:10:15,830 I become more and more interested 168 00:10:15,830 --> 00:10:17,808 in mental state of piece 169 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:22,780 and then extend the time. 170 00:10:43,662 --> 00:10:46,550 The longer performance gets, 171 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:49,750 the more transcendental can get 172 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:52,720 and transformative to the performer doing it, 173 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,416 but also to public participating. 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,420 So this is the actually, the door 175 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:04,256 of something completely else. 176 00:11:05,911 --> 00:11:08,607 How you can elevate human spirit. 177 00:11:11,751 --> 00:11:15,880 As you see around us, our life is so short and so fast. 178 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Mine, I have no time for anything. 179 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,601 So the longer I do performance, the better things get. 180 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:29,560 I think that art should go longer and longer 181 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,521 as life becomes shorter and shorter. 182 00:11:55,949 --> 00:11:59,582 When you die, you can't take your physical goods with you, 183 00:11:59,582 --> 00:12:02,177 but a good idea can stay. 184 00:12:04,081 --> 00:12:08,154 I am very occupied now about my legacy. 185 00:12:09,549 --> 00:12:13,116 It's very important for me, preservation performance art 186 00:12:14,821 --> 00:12:16,320 and how they're going to develop 187 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,850 and what is the future of performance art. 188 00:12:20,223 --> 00:12:21,990 Three years ago, for my own birthday, 189 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:24,730 I purchased a building in Hudson. 190 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:26,620 It's a very large space. 191 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:29,200 We can host about 1,500 people. 192 00:12:30,839 --> 00:12:32,940 I was interesting to create situation 193 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:35,600 which will be really center for preservation 194 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,914 for performance art, 195 00:12:38,109 --> 00:12:40,990 but also to commission the young artists 196 00:12:40,990 --> 00:12:43,330 and very known artists to make long duration 197 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:44,889 of performance work. 198 00:12:45,288 --> 00:12:47,000 But not just performance I'm doing, 199 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,660 but also the theater, the music, the video, 200 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:50,770 the dance, the opera. 201 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:51,940 Just long duration. 202 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:05,790 I'm developing system that you never leave the space. 203 00:13:06,299 --> 00:13:08,779 I wanted to create some kind of situation 204 00:13:08,779 --> 00:13:09,779 where you have the seats, 205 00:13:09,779 --> 00:13:11,570 after maybe three hours you're really tired, 206 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:13,960 the seat reclining to little bed. 207 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,648 You have a little blanket. 208 00:13:14,648 --> 00:13:15,484 You cover yourself. 209 00:13:15,484 --> 00:13:16,625 You go to sleep. 210 00:13:18,109 --> 00:13:19,976 You wake up, piece is going on. 211 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,300 On the left side is a cold drink 212 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:24,000 inside the chair arm. 213 00:13:24,819 --> 00:13:26,801 And the other side is hot meal. 214 00:13:26,801 --> 00:13:29,026 A little lamp if you want to write the notes. 215 00:13:29,557 --> 00:13:33,034 So that you're really inside the pce for a long period of time. 216 00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:51,875 I've really been thinking so much, 217 00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:53,399 you know, what is the role of an artist? 218 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:56,111 What is my function on this earth anyway? 219 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,018 I think that being an artist is such a huge responsibility. 220 00:14:01,571 --> 00:14:06,890 In my case, I create three groups of the attitudes, 221 00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:08,774 what i have to do as an artist. 222 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:12,779 I called the first group is artist's body. 223 00:14:12,779 --> 00:14:14,680 And just very simple; is me performing 224 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,137 in the front of audience. 225 00:14:19,525 --> 00:14:23,339 Second is the public body, is to create objects 226 00:14:23,339 --> 00:14:26,100 I call them transitory because they're not sculptures 227 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:28,480 and circumstances which the public can actually 228 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,900 perform for themselves and get experience. 229 00:14:36,329 --> 00:14:39,430 And the third, it will be student body. 230 00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:41,720 And this is my function as a teacher, 231 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,959 that actually when you come to one point of your life, 232 00:14:44,959 --> 00:14:47,279 that you really have to unconditionally 233 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:48,339 transfer the knowledge 234 00:14:48,339 --> 00:14:50,464 to younger generation of artist. 235 00:14:51,195 --> 00:14:52,220 And not only transfer it 236 00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:54,370 but also help them in the development. 237 00:14:55,056 --> 00:14:58,040 It's a really, in a way, some kind of fair dialogue, 238 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,750 because they give you sense of time you live in 239 00:15:00,750 --> 00:15:01,528 because they're young 240 00:15:01,528 --> 00:15:03,658 and they understand differently the world, 241 00:15:03,769 --> 00:15:05,432 and you give them the experience. 242 00:15:29,168 --> 00:15:31,377 You can't decide when you're going to die, 243 00:15:31,377 --> 00:15:33,867 but you definitely can rehearse your funeral. 244 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,670 With a lawyer, I actually made my testament 245 00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:43,805 which my real wish about my funeral is to be three coffins, 246 00:15:45,621 --> 00:15:48,652 one with real Marina and two fake Marinas. 247 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:50,870 And they're going to be buried 248 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:52,510 in three different places in the world, 249 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:53,905 which I lived the longest. 250 00:15:54,104 --> 00:15:58,364 Means Belgrade, in ex-Yugoslavia, now Serbia; 251 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:00,876 Amsterdam, in Holland; 252 00:16:01,585 --> 00:16:04,494 and New York, which I live right now. 253 00:16:04,893 --> 00:16:07,556 They will be simultaneous burying. 254 00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:11,750 In all of these funerals, people will not wear any black 255 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:16,089 but really bright clothes, like green or red and pink 256 00:16:16,089 --> 00:16:18,579 and acid yellow and so on. 257 00:16:18,579 --> 00:16:21,255 And it will be very festive situation. 258 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,030 And really, idea: you know, you live well; 259 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:30,000 you have to die well too. 260 00:16:48,208 --> 00:16:50,899 An artist should look deep inside themselves 261 00:16:50,899 --> 00:16:52,545 for inspiration. 262 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:58,569 The deeper they look inside themselves, 263 00:16:58,569 --> 00:17:00,722 the more universal they become. 264 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,184 The artist is universe. 265 00:17:11,262 --> 00:17:13,494 The artist is universe. 266 00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:23,879 The artist is universe. 267 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:56,049 [ Announcer ] to learn more about "Art in the Twenty-First Century" 268 00:17:56,049 --> 00:17:58,310 and its educational resources, 269 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:03,063 please visit us online at: PBS.org/art21 270 00:18:06,385 --> 00:18:10,419 "Art in the Twenty-First Century" is available on DVD. 271 00:18:10,419 --> 00:18:13,062 The companion book is also available. 272 00:18:13,062 --> 00:18:16,930 To order, visit us online at: shopPBS.org 273 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:22,774 or call PBS Home Video at: 1-800-PLAY-PBS