1 00:00:26,109 --> 00:00:28,203 [Man VO] Let there be light. 2 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:37,927 He can't hide, try as he might. 3 00:00:37,927 --> 00:00:42,969 ♪♪♪ 4 00:00:42,969 --> 00:00:47,180 A man at night making a pathetic attempt at connection... 5 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:49,750 [spraying] 6 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:53,138 to connect with anyone in an empty room. 7 00:00:56,506 --> 00:01:00,775 Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 8 00:01:01,174 --> 00:01:03,310 ♪♪♪ 9 00:01:03,669 --> 00:01:05,118 Here is the man. 10 00:01:07,938 --> 00:01:10,116 Here is the man. 11 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:12,230 Here is the man. 12 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:17,251 I've seen the man perform. 13 00:01:17,848 --> 00:01:20,519 I've seen the man try and hide. 14 00:01:36,903 --> 00:01:38,302 [man] Okay, ready to roll? 15 00:01:40,323 --> 00:01:41,472 [woman] You can stand up straight, Alex. 16 00:01:41,472 --> 00:01:42,446 [Alex] Yeah, is it okay? 17 00:01:42,446 --> 00:01:43,520 -[woman] Yeah. -[woman] Yeah, that's fine. 18 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,196 -[woman] We could reach you. -[woman] We can reach. 19 00:01:44,196 --> 00:01:44,696 [Alex] Okay. 20 00:01:45,220 --> 00:01:46,559 [woman] It was just for the top of your head I needed... 21 00:01:46,559 --> 00:01:47,066 [Alex] Okay. 22 00:01:50,958 --> 00:02:00,315 ♪ curious jazzy music ♪ 23 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,160 [Alex VO] These characters or images or objects exist within a 24 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,376 world of dreams. 25 00:02:15,564 --> 00:02:22,308 ♪ curious electronic music ♪ 26 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:27,980 I just want to have my mind be freer than it is and 27 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:31,980 that doesn't come easy to me, so to spend time with these 28 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:37,250 characters in this devotional research-based way is to say, 29 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:39,320 "I don't know if I'll ever change, 30 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,196 but I try to, at least." 31 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,880 There is distance between myself and the people in the past who 32 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,715 have influenced me. 33 00:02:49,087 --> 00:02:52,700 If I think of some kind of icon as a flat symbol, 34 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:54,750 how do I give it depth? 35 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:57,750 I want that, I think, of the people I admire or the people 36 00:02:57,750 --> 00:02:59,550 that confuse me. 37 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:01,239 I want depth. 38 00:03:15,733 --> 00:03:17,020 [Alex] There we go. 39 00:03:19,447 --> 00:03:22,218 Uh, wait, but is it all the way up on the shoulder? 40 00:03:22,218 --> 00:03:23,791 [man] Yes. 41 00:03:26,236 --> 00:03:30,306 [Alex VO] I had a kind of very long and winding path to be an artist. 42 00:03:32,204 --> 00:03:36,000 I was a young person in my early 20s and studying animation, 43 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,790 and I didn't know how to go forward to-- if I wanted to make 44 00:03:40,790 --> 00:03:43,428 sculpture, I just didn't know how to proceed. 45 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:47,300 All of the people making sculpture were using the wood 46 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:50,299 shop or the metal shop, and those places did not feel safe 47 00:03:50,299 --> 00:03:51,480 for a young gay guy. 48 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Like, I didn't know how to find myself there. 49 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,876 When I was sort of feeling like I was at an impasse and kind of 50 00:03:57,876 --> 00:03:59,707 had... 51 00:04:00,506 --> 00:04:03,786 had some time to think about how I wanted to make a sculpture, 52 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:07,250 I looked to my grandmother and started sewing. 53 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:10,301 In particular, I made this large ketchup bottle. 54 00:04:12,621 --> 00:04:20,000 ♪ dreamy ambient music ♪ 55 00:04:21,940 --> 00:04:24,509 I filmed myself performing this thing where I replicated a 56 00:04:24,509 --> 00:04:27,139 photograph of Claes Oldenburg carrying a toothpaste bottle 57 00:04:27,139 --> 00:04:29,190 down the street but this was a large ketchup bottle, 58 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:31,280 and I walked through the streets of Philadelphia with this big 59 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:32,350 ketchup bottle. 60 00:04:33,373 --> 00:04:37,166 And that was my sort of first entry into sculpture and also 61 00:04:37,166 --> 00:04:41,770 sewing as this kind of powerful act of finding yourself. 62 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,810 ♪♪♪ 63 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:49,060 This idea of embracing these things, 64 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:53,470 softening these things that seem to be hard is my way of taking 65 00:04:53,470 --> 00:04:56,550 down that machismo a notch and to say, like, 66 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:59,030 "There's room for a gentler, 67 00:04:59,030 --> 00:05:04,084 more tender way of understanding what it means to be human." 68 00:05:05,357 --> 00:05:08,210 ♪♪♪ 69 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,730 Everyone I work with is doing the same thing and wanting the 70 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:13,710 same thing of their lives. 71 00:05:14,858 --> 00:05:17,820 There's a whole community of people working towards something 72 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:19,550 new and unknown. 73 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:21,980 None of us know what this will be in the end, 74 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:25,669 and that, I think, is-- that's why we all come to the studio 75 00:05:25,669 --> 00:05:30,525 every day is, like, to just get into what we don't know. 76 00:05:32,971 --> 00:05:35,326 We'll just see how far this gets us. 77 00:05:35,326 --> 00:05:39,617 ♪♪♪ 78 00:05:39,617 --> 00:05:41,556 Yeah, I mean this will change tomorrow, 79 00:05:41,556 --> 00:05:42,903 but that's... 80 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,032 what we want. 81 00:05:50,323 --> 00:05:54,513 ♪♪♪ 82 00:05:58,870 --> 00:06:05,379 So this is a remake of Claes Oldenburg's Mouse Museum, 83 00:06:05,379 --> 00:06:10,100 and it's a work that he initially made for Documenta. 84 00:06:11,971 --> 00:06:17,750 I remember, like, wanting to just be around stuff, 85 00:06:17,750 --> 00:06:20,330 small plastic objects. 86 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:22,140 My room growing up probably had just, like, 87 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:25,391 lots of buckets of this kinds of stuff that I would 88 00:06:25,391 --> 00:06:26,391 collect. 89 00:06:26,965 --> 00:06:31,390 And I have sort of amassed all of my objects and small 90 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:35,730 sculptures that I've made and things that are important to me, 91 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:40,473 things that just kind of made up my sculptural vocabulary, 92 00:06:40,473 --> 00:06:41,905 but in miniature. 93 00:06:41,905 --> 00:06:45,639 This little Big Bird mockup, this was sort of the genesis of 94 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,355 the work for The Met. 95 00:06:49,676 --> 00:06:53,280 [Alex VO] My work, when I'm replicating something, 96 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,950 doesn't end with replica, 'cause for me, 97 00:06:55,950 --> 00:07:00,030 it's also important to collage what has been replicated and put 98 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:02,487 it into a new world. 99 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,240 ♪ uplifting ethereal music ♪ 100 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,780 It allows for those characters or images or objects to exist 101 00:07:14,780 --> 00:07:19,389 within a world where logic is kind of reinvented or paused or 102 00:07:19,389 --> 00:07:23,720 slowed down or reversed, and what we think we know 103 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,821 and how we think things should be is now undone. 104 00:07:30,865 --> 00:07:33,650 I guess at an early age, when I said I wanted to be an artist, 105 00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:38,125 I just thought that was making Disney drawings. 106 00:07:40,445 --> 00:07:44,330 I wanted to participate in the magical world that that space 107 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:46,230 allowed me to exist in. 108 00:07:48,101 --> 00:07:50,845 I grew up in the suburbs of Jersey and Pittsburgh, 109 00:07:50,845 --> 00:07:53,020 and I grew up in Caracas, Venezuela. 110 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:55,810 As a young person, when you move around a lot, 111 00:07:55,810 --> 00:08:00,632 it can be unsettling, and so I think that's kind of how I 112 00:08:00,632 --> 00:08:02,711 became a dreamer -- 113 00:08:03,210 --> 00:08:05,919 because I was living in a place and then leaving the 114 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:09,150 place, and then you long for the place that you were living. 115 00:08:09,774 --> 00:08:12,479 You kind of live in some sort of space that's not actually 116 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:15,302 underfoot but quite far away in your mind. 117 00:08:15,302 --> 00:08:18,620 ♪♪♪ 118 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:22,030 The homes I'm making, they're very fragmented. 119 00:08:22,030 --> 00:08:25,150 They're collages of many places and many versions, 120 00:08:25,150 --> 00:08:26,827 I think, of myself. 121 00:08:28,599 --> 00:08:34,126 ♪♪♪ 122 00:08:41,544 --> 00:08:47,470 How does one look forward and then also understand the past 123 00:08:47,470 --> 00:08:49,380 and where they came from? 124 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:53,830 I have always come to this particular gallery for this 125 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:55,428 Brancusi. 126 00:08:56,500 --> 00:09:00,524 How I have always understood Brancusi was this notion that, 127 00:09:00,524 --> 00:09:02,154 like, the sculpture -- 128 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:05,861 from the top to the ground -- 129 00:09:06,485 --> 00:09:08,342 is all one. 130 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,529 Your foundation or what might be a pedestal is actually part of 131 00:09:14,529 --> 00:09:17,220 the work, and as I interpret that, 132 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:22,230 our roots and our history matters as much as what is 133 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:26,380 present or what we see or what is visible at the top. 134 00:09:27,553 --> 00:09:31,255 And so then I think, again, about this work and how to 135 00:09:31,255 --> 00:09:33,285 respond to it or unravel it. 136 00:09:33,460 --> 00:09:36,100 I think that's often what I want when I spend time with these 137 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:39,250 works is to say, "It worked for you then, 138 00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:40,860 but how can it work for me now? 139 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:42,584 And let's hug it out." 140 00:09:43,407 --> 00:09:48,277 ♪♪♪ 141 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:10,169 [figure in video] When I saw you... 142 00:10:10,718 --> 00:10:13,682 and that girl talking… 143 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:21,876 ♪♪♪ 144 00:10:40,528 --> 00:10:42,473 [Scott] All right, let's go ahead and roll. 145 00:10:42,947 --> 00:10:43,910 All right, ready? 146 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:45,262 And... 147 00:10:46,534 --> 00:10:47,861 action. 148 00:10:55,996 --> 00:10:58,050 [Alex] So we could cut to some kind of version of that. 149 00:10:58,574 --> 00:11:00,314 [Scott] Oh yeah, we can use a piece of it. 150 00:11:00,314 --> 00:11:01,769 Do you wanna do it again or move on? 151 00:11:01,769 --> 00:11:02,673 [Alex] Let's do one more. 152 00:11:02,673 --> 00:11:03,792 [Scott] Okay, cool. 153 00:11:08,358 --> 00:11:11,685 ♪ soft piano music ♪ 154 00:11:11,685 --> 00:11:15,279 Today, Alex is shooting this sequence of the film in which 155 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,670 Marcel Duchamp gets dressed into drag as Rrose Sélavy, 156 00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:21,200 which is a fictional persona that Duchamp came up with, 157 00:11:21,749 --> 00:11:26,377 and he's going to be performing a song under a pink spotlight. 158 00:11:31,142 --> 00:11:32,640 [Alex VO] You know, my parents pulled me aside and said, 159 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,189 "Well, what does it mean?" [chuckles] 160 00:11:34,189 --> 00:11:38,729 They were like, "Why ketchup and why these characters?" 161 00:11:39,328 --> 00:11:42,790 And I was like, "These are my safe spaces." 162 00:11:44,112 --> 00:11:47,811 And as strange as my ideas may be, 163 00:11:48,135 --> 00:11:52,690 to make sure that they still can communicate some sort of kernel 164 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:55,660 of what it means to be human, that's what matters to me; 165 00:11:55,660 --> 00:11:58,646 that's, like, the driving force of why I work and how I work, 166 00:11:58,646 --> 00:11:59,646 I think. 167 00:12:00,994 --> 00:12:04,675 [Rrose Selavy] [in robotic voice] ♪ Why do birds ♪ 168 00:12:04,675 --> 00:12:07,584 ♪ Suddenly appear ♪ 169 00:12:07,584 --> 00:12:10,504 [applause] 170 00:12:10,504 --> 00:12:12,194 ♪ Every time ♪ 171 00:12:13,968 --> 00:12:15,723 ♪ That you're near? ♪ 172 00:12:15,723 --> 00:12:17,139 ♪ Ooh-wee baby ♪ 173 00:12:19,035 --> 00:12:21,367 ♪ Just like me ♪ 174 00:12:22,914 --> 00:12:25,236 ♪ They long to be... ♪ 175 00:12:25,236 --> 00:12:27,250 [Alex VO] Walking the line between the person that you 176 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:29,760 really are and the person that you long to be or the person 177 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,197 that you once were, 178 00:12:32,197 --> 00:12:36,790 we are constantly negotiating and renegotiating those things to be, 179 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:39,106 you know, the perfect human. 180 00:12:39,605 --> 00:12:42,720 I don't know if I'll ever fully understand it, 181 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,210 but I know that one puts things into the world because they want 182 00:12:46,210 --> 00:12:50,429 to ask questions, and I hope I learn something new. 183 00:12:50,429 --> 00:13:00,686 ♪♪♪ 184 00:13:00,686 --> 00:13:04,362 ♪ And that is why ♪ 185 00:13:15,964 --> 00:13:23,748 ♪ soft uplifting music ♪