1 00:00:00,057 --> 00:00:07,264 "Is Liquid Smoke Flavoring Carcinogenic?" 2 00:00:07,264 --> 00:00:10,387 We know smoke inhalation isn't good for us, 3 00:00:10,387 --> 00:00:12,559 what about smoke ingestion? 4 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:16,161 Decades ago, smoke flavorings were tested 5 00:00:16,161 --> 00:00:18,869 to see if they caused DNA mutations in bacteria, 6 00:00:18,869 --> 00:00:21,138 and the test was negative. 7 00:00:21,138 --> 00:00:23,154 Even as more and more smoke flavoring was added, 8 00:00:23,154 --> 00:00:25,951 the DNA mutation rate remained about the same. 9 00:00:25,951 --> 00:00:29,202 But the fact that something is not mutagenic in bacteria 10 00:00:29,202 --> 00:00:32,298 has little predictive value for its effect on human cells, 11 00:00:32,298 --> 00:00:35,717 so a group at MIT tested a hickory smoke flavoring 12 00:00:35,717 --> 00:00:39,796 they just bought at the store against two types of human white blood cells. 13 00:00:39,796 --> 00:00:42,535 Unlike the bacteria, the mutation rate shot up 14 00:00:42,535 --> 00:00:44,729 as more and more liquid smoke was added. 15 00:00:44,729 --> 00:00:47,558 But there is little evidence that mutagenic activity 16 00:00:47,558 --> 00:00:50,553 in a particular human cell line is more closely related 17 00:00:50,553 --> 00:00:53,948 to human health risk than is mutagenic activity in bacteria. 18 00:00:53,948 --> 00:00:56,104 In other words, just because liquid smoke 19 00:00:56,104 --> 00:00:59,301 causes DNA mutations to human cells in a petri dish, 20 00:00:59,301 --> 00:01:02,439 doesn't mean that it does the same thing within the human body. 21 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:07,432 Damaging DNA is just one of many ways chemicals can be toxic to cells. 22 00:01:07,432 --> 00:01:10,061 A decade later researchers tested to see what effect 23 00:01:10,061 --> 00:01:13,652 liquid smoke had on overall cell viability. 24 00:01:13,652 --> 00:01:17,628 If you drip water on cells, nothing happens, 25 00:01:17,628 --> 00:01:20,379 they keep powering away at around 100% survival. 26 00:01:20,379 --> 00:01:24,130 But drip on more and more wood fire smoke 27 00:01:24,130 --> 00:01:26,069 and you can start killing some of the cells off. 28 00:01:26,069 --> 00:01:28,245 Cigarette smoke is more toxic, 29 00:01:28,245 --> 00:01:31,674 but 3 out of 4 of the brands of liquid smoke they bought 30 00:01:31,674 --> 00:01:34,508 at the supermarket killed off even more cells, 31 00:01:34,508 --> 00:01:37,991 leading them to conclude that the cytotoxic potential 32 00:01:37,991 --> 00:01:40,330 of some commercial smoke flavorings is greater 33 00:01:40,339 --> 00:01:42,420 than that of liquid cigarette smoke– 34 00:01:42,429 --> 00:01:46,000 a finding they no doubt celebrated given that the researchers 35 00:01:46,096 --> 00:01:50,680 were paid employees of the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. 36 00:01:50,684 --> 00:01:54,210 Unfortunately, they didn't name names of the offending brands. 37 00:01:54,219 --> 00:01:56,980 That's one of the reasons I was so excited about this new study, 38 00:01:56,989 --> 00:02:01,720 where they tested—and named 15 different brands of liquid smoke. 39 00:02:01,723 --> 00:02:08,630 This maximum "response" they were measuring was what was called p53 activation. 40 00:02:08,637 --> 00:02:13,910 P53 is a protein we make, illustrated here in pink and red, 41 00:02:13,914 --> 00:02:17,450 that binds to our DNA, shown in blue. 42 00:02:17,457 --> 00:02:20,740 It activates our DNA repair enzymes. 43 00:02:20,740 --> 00:02:27,090 So a big P53 response might be indicative of a lot of DNA damage, 44 00:02:27,097 --> 00:02:30,980 and a few of the liquid smoke flavorings activated P53 45 00:02:30,989 --> 00:02:34,750 almost as much as a chemotherapy drug like Etoposide 46 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:39,220 whose whole purpose is to break DNA strands. 47 00:02:39,229 --> 00:02:42,000 Other flavorings didn't seem as bad, 48 00:02:42,003 --> 00:02:45,840 though there was a hickory smoke powder that ranked pretty high, 49 00:02:45,841 --> 00:02:51,250 as did the fish sauce, though smoked paprika didn't register at all. 50 00:02:51,257 --> 00:02:55,040 The p53-activating property in liquid smoke was eliminated 51 00:02:55,045 --> 00:02:57,080 by standard baking conditions (350°F for 1h), 52 00:02:57,085 --> 00:02:59,920 so if we bake something with liquid smoke for long enough 53 00:02:59,924 --> 00:03:01,200 it should eliminate this effect, 54 00:03:01,204 --> 00:03:04,300 though just boiling, even for an hour, or slow cooking 55 00:03:04,306 --> 00:03:05,930 didn't appear to work. 56 00:03:05,937 --> 00:03:10,140 They conclude, "If the DNA-damaging activities of liquid smoke" 57 00:03:10,142 --> 00:03:12,840 "were thought to be deleterious, it might be possible to replace" 58 00:03:12,846 --> 00:03:15,860 "liquid smoke with other, safer, smoky substances." 59 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:20,660 Why do they say IF thought to be deleterious? 60 00:03:20,665 --> 00:03:24,330 That's because they're not directly measuring DNA damage. 61 00:03:24,339 --> 00:03:26,920 Remember, they're measuring P53 activation, 62 00:03:26,925 --> 00:03:30,680 and that's not necessarily a bad thing. 63 00:03:30,683 --> 00:03:35,310 P53 is considered "Guardian of our Genome," guardian of our DNA. 64 00:03:35,314 --> 00:03:37,800 It's considered a tumor suppressor gene, 65 00:03:37,803 --> 00:03:39,990 because it helps repair our DNA. 66 00:03:39,994 --> 00:03:44,910 So if something boosts the activity of P53, is that good or bad? 67 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,180 It's like the broccoli story. 68 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:51,470 Cruciferous vegetables dramatically boost our liver's detoxifying enzymes. 69 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,600 Is this because our body sees broccoli as toxic 70 00:03:54,605 --> 00:03:56,210 and is trying to get rid of it quicker? 71 00:03:56,210 --> 00:04:00,940 Either way, the end result from broccoli is good, lower cancer risk. 72 00:04:00,945 --> 00:04:05,630 It's maybe a biological phenomenon known as hormesis, 73 00:04:05,637 --> 00:04:08,150 that which doesn't kill us may make us stronger. 74 00:04:08,156 --> 00:04:10,810 Like exercise is a stress on the body, 75 00:04:10,818 --> 00:04:13,020 but in the right amount can make us healthier in the long run. 76 00:04:13,028 --> 00:04:18,100 So, for example, teas and coffees caused P53 activation as well, 77 00:04:18,101 --> 00:04:21,970 but their consumption is associated with lower cancer risk. 78 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:27,220 So it's hard to know what to make of that smoke flavoring P53 data. 79 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:29,420 Due to the limitations of the available tests 80 00:04:29,422 --> 00:04:32,500 it's hard to calculate the genotoxic potential of liquid smoke, 81 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,480 or any other food for that matter. 82 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:39,700 A better approach may be to just analyze liquid smoke for known carcinogens, 83 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,640 chemicals that we know cause cancer. 84 00:04:42,647 --> 00:04:47,660 This was first attempted back in 1971. 85 00:04:47,669 --> 00:04:50,050 One of the seven liquid smoke flavors they tested 86 00:04:50,051 --> 00:04:52,670 contained a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon 87 00:04:52,672 --> 00:04:54,950 known to be cancer-causing, 88 00:04:54,951 --> 00:04:58,810 but there's a bunch of similar carcinogens that they didn't test for. 89 00:04:58,818 --> 00:05:01,850 A later study, tested across the board, 90 00:05:01,859 --> 00:05:04,010 looking specifically at 5 different carcinogens 91 00:05:04,017 --> 00:05:07,660 in retail liquid smoke seasonings. 92 00:05:07,661 --> 00:05:12,520 The recommended daily upper safety limit for these carcinogens is 47. 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,100 Hickory smoke flavoring only has 0.8 per teaspoon, 94 00:05:18,196 --> 00:05:21,750 so you'd have to drink three bottles a day to bump up against the limit. 95 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,150 And mesquite liquid smoke, only 1.1. 96 00:05:25,154 --> 00:05:29,360 It turns out that most of these carcinogens in smoke are fat soluble, 97 00:05:29,367 --> 00:05:32,380 and so when you make a water-based solution, like liquid smoke, 98 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:35,130 you capture the smoke flavor compounds 99 00:05:35,133 --> 00:05:38,430 without capturing most of the smoke cancer compounds. 100 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,800 The only time you need to really worry is eating smoked foods, 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,970 foods directly exposed to actual smoke. 102 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:47,430 For example, smoked ham comes up to here, 103 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:50,220 and smoked turkey breast up to here. 104 00:05:50,225 --> 00:05:53,380 So one sandwich and we may be half way to the limit. 105 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:58,690 But one serving of barbecued chicken takes us... 106 00:05:58,694 --> 00:06:00,250 over the top. 107 00:06:00,259 --> 00:06:02,210 Less than a single drumstick and we may nearly 108 00:06:02,210 --> 00:06:05,090 double our daily allotment of these carcinogens. 109 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:09,550 Nothing, however, is as bad as fish. 110 00:06:09,556 --> 00:06:12,180 Smoked herring? 140. 111 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:17,750 And we have to shrink down the graph to fit the worst of the worst... 112 00:06:17,758 --> 00:06:21,090 smoked salmon. 113 00:06:21,098 --> 00:06:27,460 One bagel with lox could take us 10 times over the limit.