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Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.53,0:00:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd: Imagine a world where the sum of\Nall knowledge is accessible for anyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.32,0:00:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Knowledge is being presented in so many\Ndifferent ways, some of it is text, and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.28,0:00:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can easily access and skim through it,\Nsome of it you have to see and some of it
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.56,0:00:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to touch and experience. We're\Nhaving this remote experience today. Right
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.12,0:00:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now, I'd love to be in Leipzig with you,\Nwork together with you. But we can't
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.00,0:00:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because times are crazy and the digital\Nworld at least makes it possible to gain
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.44,0:01:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge in a different way. And of\Ncourse, we at Wikimedia Deutschland, we
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.96,0:01:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see that and we try to provide good\Ncontent for everyone. We try to help the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.00,0:01:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community of the wiki-sphere, of the\Nwikiversum, like in the Wikidata community
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.36,0:01:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Wikipedia community or Wikimedia\NCommons and so many more projects, to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.36,0:01:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access great sources to make it work in\Ndifferent contexts. To be able to remix
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.72,0:01:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge, to put it to good use and to\Nreach an audience worldwide. It's been 20
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.28,0:01:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years now and Wikipedia has started\Nwithout much photos, and there is even a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.28,0:01:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,debate going on whether photos and images\Nare a good for the Wikipedia because text
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.92,0:01:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can easily edit and anyone can do it.\NBut photos and videos, there's a whole
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.92,0:02:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different approach and there's a whole\Nmore skills to or other sets of skills to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.36,0:02:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be able to access and to edit it. And that\Nmakes it harder to renew stuff and to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.88,0:02:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adapt it. But also to create it and the\Ncommunities and the volunteers in the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.40,0:02:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wikisphere, they are sometimes having a\Nhard time to get good CGIs, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.56,0:02:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to get good graphics to make those, to\Nmake beautiful articles and to make good
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.48,0:02:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows. They are not always available. It\Ncosts money. The studio, the equipment and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.08,0:02:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the graphics they are producing. And\Nthere's already a lot of money spent on
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.30,0:02:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producing that kind of content, and we\Nwant to bring that to good use in
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.36,0:02:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikipedia and in the other spheres. We\Nhave been reaching out or we have been
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.05,0:03:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approached by the community to reach out\Nto the public broadcasters. And that's
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.55,0:03:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we did. And this is our journey. And\NI want to go on this together with you, a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.96,0:03:13.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit of recap and then a way of you\Nto help us with that mission and to also
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.77,0:03:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach out and bring good content into the\Npublic sphere to really be able to help
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.68,0:03:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others, to help educators in these crazy\Ntimes. And, yeah, together make the sum of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.12,0:03:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all knowledge available to anyone in\Ndifferent ways. Not only text, but also
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.83,0:03:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,videos like this one. So the talk is\Ncalled "Public service, public value", and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.60,0:03:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that subline is "When Stars Collide".\NThere's a reason for that. You know, I
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.60,0:03:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could talk now about how stars are going\Naround each other and they attract each
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.56,0:03:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other and then they come together and\Nthere's a bang and sometimes there's a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.92,0:04:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutron star and shooting all kinds of\Ncrazy stuff out of it, which we can then
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.32,0:04:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measure here on earth. I could also show\Nyou this video, and I think the video
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.84,0:04:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provided here, it was NASA content, would\Nbe a much better way to approach this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.28,0:04:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge. And the beautiful thing about\Nthis, not only because it's good stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.16,0:04:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming out of it and which matches the\Ntalk, but also that the NASA content is
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.80,0:04:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not copyright protected, most of it,\Nbecause it's provided by a federal agency
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.36,0:04:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is the US copyright law. But\Nalso the ESA, the European Space Agency,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.48,0:04:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it also now provides content under a\Npublic, under an open license, which can
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.04,0:04:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be adapted. So we had a big publicly\Nfunded agency, the ESA, which produced
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.44,0:05:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good content, scientific content, which\Ncould be used to or could be put to good
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.88,0:05:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use. And they decided to adapt Creative\NCommons licensing to adapt open licenses,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.40,0:05:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that people could do good stuff with\Nit. And that's what we wanted the public
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.88,0:05:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcasters to do as well, which was not\Nan easy task. But we had great experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.96,0:05:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and cooperations and we're working together\Nnow really good. The public broadcasters
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.84,0:05:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Germany are having a budget of about\Neight billion euros per annum, and they
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.40,0:05:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make content available online. Well, you\Ncan access it. You can't really download
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.80,0:05:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of it. You cannot remix it, which is\Na problem for educators because remix is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.52,0:05:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a standard case, everyday case for\Nteachers. I used to be a teacher. I took
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.48,0:06:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screenshots, put them on papers and built\Nlittle quizzes out of old stuff or not
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.48,0:06:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used a whole broadcast, but parts of it.\NAnd that's not really how I can use public
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.08,0:06:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcast most of the time, because it has\Nall rights reserved and I can just use it
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.28,0:06:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a noncommercial manner. And there lies\Nthe first problem. What is noncommercial?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.08,0:06:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I'm teaching in a public school, ok.\NBut when I'm teaching in the afternoon
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.92,0:06:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to in kind of overtime paid by the hour to\Nhelp a student privately or when I'm having
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.32,0:06:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a blog or a website and there's\Nadvertisements on that to pay the fees for
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.20,0:06:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hosting. Is this or do I then monetize\Nthe content or if there's a private
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.96,0:06:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partnership and the sponsoring there of\Nputting it in student paper and publishing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.00,0:07:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it and then selling the student paper\Nbecause they're printing stuff costs, is
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.96,0:07:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this then monetarized? Is this commercial,\Nis it not? So there's a whole can of worms
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.08,0:07:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right there. So the content that's\Nprovided by the public broadcasters bottom
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.76,0:07:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,line is not usable for anyday use and not\Nusable for Wikipedia, at least not for
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.12,0:07:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remix and republishing issues. That's\Nbad. And that's especially when there's
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.96,0:07:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,8 billion euros every year going into those\Npublic broadcasters. That should be
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.24,0:07:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something we should engage in. Now we\Napproach them, and in most cases, when you
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.60,0:07:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach the lawyers of the public\Nbroadcasters, they say, well, we'd like if
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.40,0:07:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you use that content, but if you are\Nasking me for permission to use that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.72,0:07:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content in that specific context, I have\Nto say no. If you are, if you ask me, I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.28,0:08:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to say no. And this is a bullshit\Nsituation right there. I mean, you have
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.72,0:08:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone who provides good, nonfictional\Ncontent, which should be used for
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.20,0:08:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educational use. He wants it to be used in\Nthat way. There's an educator who wants to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.92,0:08:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use it in that way. But we can't come\Ntogether because of licensing policies.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.32,0:08:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now it's legally right, but it still\Nfeels wrong. And we could, other than
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.64,0:08:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,piracy, we can do something about it. I\Nmean, the content. The public broadcasters
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.76,0:08:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide their editorially independent, so\Nthey may be publicly funded, but the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.20,0:08:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics stay out of way of the editorial\Nprocess. So there may be some in the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.60,0:08:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supervisory boards. And there's as a whole\Ndebate going on about that in Germany, for
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.96,0:08:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example. But the editors are free and\Nthere's good content produced and content
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.56,0:09:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can trust on. Content where there's a\Nwhole set of producers behind it who fact
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.32,0:09:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,check and who, if they make a mistake,\Nmake it right again. The public
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.96,0:09:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcasters are not for profit. And they\Nwant to provide public content as they
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.80,0:09:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call it a public value. And I think we can\Nhelp with that. We have this beautiful big
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.72,0:09:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platform where anyone who's searching for\Ninformation lands at some point, whether
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.60,0:09:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's approaching it via speech assistance,\Nwhich is then asking Wikipedia or Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.88,0:09:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for information, or whether he just puts\Nit into a search box and then finds it and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.48,0:09:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accesses, for example, the text in\NWikipedia. The content can be reused in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.60,0:09:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all kinds of manners because it is public,\Nit is openly licensed. Most likely...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.24,0:10:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a whole range of licenses you can\Nchoose, we choose the most open licenses
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.24,0:10:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Wikipedia. That's a community\Ndecision. CC-BY, CC-SA or even CC0. I
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.12,0:10:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,won't go too deep into that. But you just\Nhave to remember, you can use that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.16,0:10:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content, you can remix it, you can put it\Ninto another content. You always have to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.28,0:10:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,name the source of it. If it's not zero,\Nyou always have to name the source. And if
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.96,0:10:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you edit it, you have to make that\Nvisible. Yeah, but the content provided by
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.81,0:10:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public broadcasters in this case, the\NARD which is a public broadcaster in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.47,0:10:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany, is, of course, provided with all\Nrights reserved. So you can't do a lot with
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.27,0:10:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. You can access it still. It's good\Nstuff. And there's a lot of years in the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.83,0:11:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mediathek in the end, and YouTube and\Nstuff. But there is potential. I'll show
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.03,0:11:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you why. We had a campaign then, it was\Ncalled public money, public content. You
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.54,0:11:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may see where this is coming from. And we\Napproached the public broadcasters to work
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.72,0:11:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together on this. This was the same\Nargument I just made here to you. In every
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.28,0:11:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step of the way, we worked together with\Nthe community and with the awesome people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.05,0:11:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Wiki loves broadcast. And we are...\NI'll come back to that in a minute... so
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.63,0:11:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first, some public broadcasters in this\Ncase funk, which is a cooperation between
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.99,0:11:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the two big public broadcasters in\NGermany. They are for producing content
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.89,0:11:47.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for young people and younger audiences and\Nthey try to like summarize Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.57,0:11:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pages, which is a problem for the\Ncommunity, because I say, well, it's nice
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.52,0:11:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you summarize it, but if the article\Nchanges, can we then change the video? No,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.19,0:12:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video editing is more expensive and you\Nhave to have certain programs for that and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.21,0:12:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,skills that fewer people have. So there's\Na smaller community to do it. So that's
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.34,0:12:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not content we really can use in\NWikipedia. Although the videos were quite
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.94,0:12:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,high quality, they were rejected by the\NWikipedia community. We came together in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.59,0:12:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best faith, but this just didn't work out\Nas it sometimes does. Next try was to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.97,0:12:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide pictures of people. In this case,\Nthere was reportage, a portrait of an
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.80,0:12:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actor or actress in this case. And they\Nput that in Wikimedia Commons so that it
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.87,0:12:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be used, for example on Wikipedia\Nand it was used in several pages and also
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.11,0:13:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on pages all over the Internet, always\Nwith a little mark that the content was
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.10,0:13:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provided by the public broadcaster, which\Nis fine. But community or some community
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.26,0:13:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members said, well, this photo is well too\Ngood to be publicly licensed, so there's a
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.53,0:13:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole other can of worms and another\Nproblem right there. We overcame that with
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.95,0:13:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a great pilot project, which I want to\Ntalk about right now. And if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.73,0:13:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listening in a public broadcaster working\Ntogether with public broadcasting
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.79,0:13:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhere in the world, you should now be\Nvery interested. Because what we achieved
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.35,0:13:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here is openly licensed content being\Nreused on all sorts of sites. We cannot
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.53,0:14:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,track everything, but we can track what we\Nalready did, like in the mediathek, in the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.59,0:14:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,channels of the ZDF and on the YouTube\Nchannels and stuff. We can see how often
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.48,0:14:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this content was approached and was\Nused. We can track how much it was used in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.68,0:14:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikipedia and how often it was clicked on.\NAnd we can guess because it has been
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.05,0:14:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,published as well because provided under\Nfree and open license on Schulserver and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.74,0:14:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff like that - so on networks for\Nschools and on servers that provide
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.27,0:14:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educational content. And we can see that\Nit's being adapted there and that the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.13,0:14:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communities, the educational community\Nreally wants to do things with it and is
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.78,0:14:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting it to good use. How much? Come to\Nthat in a minute. First, the ZDF started
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.68,0:15:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with climate and environmentally connected\Ncontent and provided a material from there.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.71,0:15:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they came together with the producers,\Nthe editors, with everyone involved
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.21,0:15:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the process, and they\Nsaid - in cooperation with us, we also
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.50,0:15:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave some hints maybe: We cannot give the\Nwhole episode of takes, which is big,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.38,0:15:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beautiful and very expensive and has a lot\Nof third party content into the public
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.43,0:15:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,domain or into licenses openly. It's just\Ntoo expensive and not really... we cannot
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.71,0:15:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really do that. But there is\Nsome content inside these episodes which
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.36,0:15:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is built or which is produced completely\Nin-house, which we can target and which we
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.03,0:16:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can buy the licenses for without straining\Nour budget too much. So videos, CGIs,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.03,0:16:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short pieces that are being produced\Nanyway. They just have to be licensed
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.02,0:16:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under a CC license as well and then uploaded\Nto Wikimedia Commons. So this was the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.24,0:16:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way to go for the ZDF and for the TerraX\Nteam. And they did it and they put a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.51,0:16:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of videos there, which was then adopted by\Nthe community, the Wikipedia community. So
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.57,0:16:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ZDF didn't do any editing in the\NWikipedia, they just gave their input,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.24,0:16:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their content to the Commons, and then\Nthere was good stuff happening by the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.43,0:16:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community. They adapted it and put it into\Nmostly German speaking because, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.74,0:16:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's German videos, German speaking\NWikipedia, German language Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.56,0:16:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,articles, also some English Wikipedia\Narticles. But there was also another
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.60,0:17:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beautiful thing happening, as you can see\Nright here. They also did, they started to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.47,0:17:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do read-ups because they saw it's good,\Nit's high quality content. We can build
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.50,0:17:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upon that. We can remix it and we can read\Nof it in Dutch, in Welsh, in Esperanto,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.30,0:17:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we can put subtitles on there in Latin\Nand in Dutch and Catalan and in Spanish.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.63,0:17:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So. This content is now free and is\Nevolving, and it's good, high quality,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.08,0:17:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nonfictional, mostly scientific content\Nthat helps the Wikipedia communities to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.89,0:17:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further reach their audience, to help\Nprovide knowledge to everyone, even if
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Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.41,0:18:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world. And you can just watch a video\Nto maybe grasp the idea of this specific
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.35,0:18:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,article or this paragraph there a little\Nbetter. It's another way of providing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.65,0:18:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information and it works together like a\Ncharm. And we can see that also by the
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Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.18,0:18:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,view analysis, so we took all the content\Nwe monitored: In which sites is the content
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.92,0:18:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implemented in or embedded in? And then\Ntried to measure the viewership of the
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Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.56,0:18:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we cannot really reproduce that. And\Nwe also tried to do a media view counter,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.32,0:18:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which also then strained at some point -\Nit exceeded the limitations of the tools
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.08,0:18:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were having to measure that as soon as\Nthe files were too many. So we could like
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.76,0:19:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,add a direct comparison of files, how\Nthey're performing, how they're doing, but
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.08,0:19:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we couldn't really track all of them. So\Nthen a great colleague of mine, he built
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.96,0:19:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this beautiful mediaviews too, so that you\Ncan really monitor a whole category. So we
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.72,0:19:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can now monitor how often the files in the\Ncategory of TerraX provided videos - you
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Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.72,0:19:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,million views, which is a lot. Because\Nthis is not just someone randomly browsing
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.24,0:19:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and finding this video and it's auto\Nplay. But searching for information on a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.60,0:20:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,topic like as Taj Mahal or like the Harbor\Nof Carthago or something like that. Or
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.92,0:20:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,covid vaccine. And then they're clicking\Non the article, they're clicking on the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.92,0:20:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video and view it and this is a very\Nqualified account right there. And this
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.96,0:20:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens over a million times with content\Nthat the ZDF has provided now. Every
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.68,0:20:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,month. And still growing. And that's good\Nin several ways. First, it's great for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.56,0:20:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community because they can more easily\Nreach the audience and they can help the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.72,0:20:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audience understand the topic better. It\Nmakes Wikipedia more beautiful for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.20,0:20:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audience. Of course. We just talked about\Nthat. And also for the content provider
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.76,0:20:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, of course, the content is\Nbranded. There's a little logo in there
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.96,0:20:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's called "video is provided by\NTerraX". I have stated the brand a few
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Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.84,0:21:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attribution, which is good for the brand\Nand it makes it more likely that at some
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.56,0:21:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other point when you're searching for\Ninformation on the topic, you'll be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.12,0:21:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circling back to TerraX, for example,\Nand hopefully to Wikipedia. But there's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.80,0:21:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more. We have done some high level\Nroundtables where we brought together
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Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.65,0:21:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, of course, the Wikipedia community,\Nto see how we better can work together and
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Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.86,0:22:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not. Because, of course, also the public\Nbroadcasters have wishes for the community
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.42,0:22:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for Wikimedia Deutschland and as well\Nas the other way around. Our main
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.34,0:22:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arguments here are that it improves the\Npublic good. It saves taxes. If schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.24,0:22:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public schools don't have to buy\Nadditional video content, for example, but
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.68,0:22:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can use the content that is already\Npublicly funded for free. It strengthens
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.40,0:22:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cooperation between different spheres\Nof making knowledge available. And it's
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.75,0:22:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further helping them reaching the audience\Non exactly the platforms that they're
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Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.96,0:22:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,campaign was called "public money, public\Ngood". And there were some reactions and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.23,0:22:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had some great cooperations coming up\Nthen. At this point I have to thank all
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.59,0:23:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stakeholders as a part of the\Ncampaign. Not only the Chaos Communication
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.24,0:23:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Club, Chaos Computer Club, but also the\Nlibraries association, the teachers
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.23,0:23:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,associations in Germany and Kiron\NUniversity and some others that you can
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.97,0:23:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see there. If you're a stakeholder on an\Ninternational level and want to join this
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.09,0:23:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claim for more content provided by the\Npublic broadcasters, reach out to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.73,0:23:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bernd.fiedler@wikimedia.de, and we can\Ntalk about it or maybe after that in the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.10,0:23:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q&A. So we wrote a lot of letters. There\Nwere 10000 little postcards being sent to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.44,0:23:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public broadcasters where anyone could\Nput a little comment. I want to use that,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.71,0:23:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because ... And there were a lot of\Neducators, teachers and knowledge workers
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.96,0:23:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who reached out to us and said, finally, I\Nwant to use or have used in a limited way
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Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.85,0:24:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of it, whatever. And there are the\Nlimitations of copyright and the Creative
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.72,0:24:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commons licensing makes it easier for me.\NAlso, the idea is a second... or another
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.46,0:24:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really big public broadcaster in Germany\Nalso tried to adapt Creative Commons
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.55,0:24:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,licensing. They did, even with their most\Nimportant broadcasts like Tagesschau,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.87,0:24:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the news broadcast for every German.\NThey are providing graphics and short
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.07,0:24:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,videos under a Creative Commons NC ND and\Nso none for commercial and no variations
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.36,0:24:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of stuff. So at least it is available\Nindefinitely now. So it can be linked upon
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.01,0:24:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it can be used in certain ways,\Nespecially in schools. But you cannot
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.78,0:24:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,release it in a Wikipedia right now. They\Nalso put some podcasts like the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.58,0:24:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coronavirus update, which is like one of\Nthe most listened to podcasts right now, a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.57,0:25:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientific podcast here in Germany under\NCC license, which is also a great step.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.55,0:25:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a reason why they are hesitant\Nto put content under a more open license,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.91,0:25:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only because of licensing issues and\Nbecause of the money you have to pay for
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.90,0:25:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it, but also in fear of... there's some\Nuses they don't want. In our experience,
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Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.62,0:25:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. And none of the fears were matched,\Nnone of the fears really came true. There
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Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.80,0:25:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have wanted it. And sometimes you\Njust have to take a leap of faith and see
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.54,0:25:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good stuff happening. Right. As of right\Nnow, so licensing policies and the public
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.45,0:26:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcasters, they make... so the bad\Nstuff is happening anyway, people will
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Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.76,0:26:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't really care about copyright,\Nwhich also would not be possible with
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.97,0:26:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creative Commons, because there's\Nlimitations to that licensing given with
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.38,0:26:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creative Commons and putting it in a\Ncontext where it's not right is one of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.81,0:26:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those limitations. But whatever. But\NCreative Commons makes the uses you want
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Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.88,0:26:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cheaply. And there will be stuff coming\Nout from the idea, I hope. As of now,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.33,0:26:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is the chair of the ARD, of the big\Npublic broadcast in Germany, and they say
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.55,0:26:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a cornerstone. It's an important\Nbuilding block on which where, how to make
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.09,0:26:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our content available indefinitely as\Npossible and easily accessible as
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.46,0:27:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible. Even this press release, though,\Nyou see on the photo right there, there's
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.94,0:27:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all rights reserved. This is copyrighted\Ncontent, which I quote here. So way to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.47,0:27:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's good stuff. There's good\Nfaith. I have good faith. And there's a
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.74,0:27:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of goodwill on all institutions. And\Nwe're working together to that common
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.68,0:27:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal. There's also a global task force of\Npublic broadcasters and they're saying: We
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.73,0:27:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share the common duty to inform, educate\Nand entertain. The engagement with
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.03,0:27:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audiences of all ages across all ranges of\Nbroadcast and online services is critical
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.56,0:27:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our success in serving them whenever,\Nwherever and however they want. And to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.43,0:27:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach that, dear public broadcasters all\Naround the world, whether you're the NPR,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.94,0:28:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the NHK, the PBS, the BBC, the RAA, CBC,\NEBC or ORF.. Your content should be freely
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.68,0:28:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,licensed, wherever possible. It should be\Npaid fairly. It should be accessible
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.60,0:28:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everywhere and it should be accessible any\Ntime. And then we can build upon it. And
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.40,0:28:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's all kinds of good stuff shooting\Nout of it. And we can measure that now.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.28,0:28:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our mission is clear. And there's a lot\Nof good people working together on all sides
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.72,0:28:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it possible, and I have to thank\Nall the partners that we have been doing
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.44,0:28:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great stuff up until now and will be doing\Ngreat stuff in the years to come. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.44,0:28:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community, who is open for adapting the\Ncontent and putting it to good use on
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.08,0:28:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different Wikipedia pages. And if you're a\Npublic broadcaster and you think, well, I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.64,0:29:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want that, I want a part of that. Feel\Nfree to reach out to us and we will make
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.16,0:29:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bring this thing international. Our\Narguments condensed are there at
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.74,0:29:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit.ly/publicbroadcast on the medium block\Nof the Wikimedia Foundation where we're
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.32,0:29:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to commodate this whole talk into a\Nfew paragraphs. Thank you for listening,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.36,0:29:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for attending this session here. And I'm\Nvery happy to take your questions now. And
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.96,0:29:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to gather, free, more great content to\Nbuild amazing stuff out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.87,0:29:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.29,0:29:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We are now connected to our\Nspeaker remotely. Not by satellite, just
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.84,0:29:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the usual public broadcasting studios\Ndo, but via Internet, because we are
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.56,0:29:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,modern. With Bernd Fiedler, who is our\Ncorrespondent today, more or less. Hello
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.64,0:30:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd, how are you today?\NBernd: Hello. I'm fine, and I hope you all
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.96,0:30:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well. You've heard a lot and I hope you\Nhave some questions for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.84,0:30:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: We're still waiting for questions.\NYou can still ask them by the IRC or
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.72,0:30:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Twitter with the hashtag #rC3Wikipaka.\NWe're listening to all of them and will
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.92,0:30:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relay them to our speaker here. You had an\Ninteresting slide at the end of your talk,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.28,0:30:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards the end of your talk, with Tom\NBuhrow, who was stating something along
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Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.40,0:30:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,institutions in Germany are doing." And at\Nthe very bottom right - you made me aware
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.96,0:30:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that, I didn't even see it first -\Nthere was an "all rights reserved" clause.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.28,0:30:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That looks to me like there is a cultural,\Ncultural obstacles still to be surmounted,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.20,0:30:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be surpassed. Is there any hope that\Nthis cultural change is taking place?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.68,0:30:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd: Yes.\NHerald: OK, but it wasn't OK. How would
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.40,0:31:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you say this?\NBernd: Well, it's really not easy. They
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.34,0:31:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are buying licenses and then they can do\Nlimited stuff with it, and they now have a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.65,0:31:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of contracts, and if you have a big\Nship like, the ARD or the ZDF, you have
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.88,0:31:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all kinds of standard contracts. And you\Nhave to change those first before you can
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.80,0:31:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do anything. So that's a chicken and egg\Nproblem. They also say we can't because they
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.90,0:31:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not, the contracts are not there. So I\Ncan't waive any rights. And the public
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.50,0:31:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcasters say, well, they also wouldn't\Nagree to it. So we don't have the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.56,0:31:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contracts yet. But there's a big cultural\Nchange going on right now. That's a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.01,0:31:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,effort and a lot of editors, a lot of\Ncontent creators who want to try out
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.53,0:32:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff, who are reaching out to us. But it\Ntakes time, because it's a big wheel we're
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.60,0:32:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to turn here and big wheels take\Ntime to start turning.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.71,0:32:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Well, 2020 has taught us to be\Npatient and wait for changes, but there
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.78,0:32:16.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be some people in the audience who\Ndon't want to wait. And what you told me
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.59,0:32:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about these standard contracts sounds\Nawfully familiar for people who work with
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.10,0:32:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public administrations, who are facing\Nsimilar problems with subcontractors and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.80,0:32:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people they depend upon. And one way that\Nhas been shown in that realm would be to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.12,0:32:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide boilerplate licenses that the\Ninstitutions can actually use and reuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.06,0:32:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Has anybody tried that?\NBernd: Yeah, well, they are using Creative
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.39,0:32:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commons right now, but... I think - what\Nexactly do you mean with boilerplate
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.01,0:32:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,licenses?\NHerald: Yeah, of course. I mean, Creative
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.31,0:33:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commons is, of course, a boilerplate\Nlicense for sublicensing. But you told me
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.27,0:33:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about, as far as I understand, that the\Npublic broadcasting institutions use
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.96,0:33:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subcontractors to actually produce their\Ncontent. And they would have to enter
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.69,0:33:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contracts and new licenses that permit\Nsublicensing under Creative Commons
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.84,0:33:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clauses. So if somebody, let's say\NWikimedia or some other instance, were to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.36,0:33:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide the public broadcasters with\Nboilerplate licenses for their
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.37,0:33:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subcontractors, wouldn't that be an\Noption?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.02,0:33:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd: Uh, if we...\NHerald: Not to want you to drop the hot
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.14,0:33:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potato in your lap, but...\NBernd: We can't look that far into the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.91,0:33:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contract business of the public\Nbroadcasters and their subcontractors. But
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.12,0:33:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is exactly what we had with TerraX in\Nthe end. So they have, they are having
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.24,0:33:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subcontractors. And at the very beginning\Nof the process, of the broadcasting
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.65,0:34:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,process and production process, they said,\Nwell, let's try this and we will take some
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.80,0:34:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff and release it under creative\Ncomments. Are you all right with that? In
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.52,0:34:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an ongoing production and most contracts\Nare already set and you always go back to
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.40,0:34:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same contractor - you can't really do\Nthat. That's, that's hard. You just, you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.24,0:34:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need an outside impulse for that. And\Nthat's where the audience comes into play,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.82,0:34:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I bet all of you have a loved\Npodcast or some broadcast that you see at
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.08,0:34:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public broadcasters and you want\Nto bring to the Commons or content you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.28,0:34:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to bring to the Commons. And of\Ncourse, you can reach out as it is a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.42,0:34:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcaster. You can reach out to the\NRedaktion and say, we want to do that and
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.00,0:34:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want to see that in the Commons. Why\Nisn't it? And then they have to ask the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.68,0:34:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal people and the legal people then\Nsometimes consult with us and then we can
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.76,0:35:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to do something. So it's big wheels,\Nbut many, many small angles where you can
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.80,0:35:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attack.\NHerald: That sounds like a call to action
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.16,0:35:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me. People who are watching right now\Nare listening right now. Where would they
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.32,0:35:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,direct such a question? Would they add ZDF\Nor add ARDPresse or whatever on Twitter,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.28,0:35:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or is there any way that is more\Nimpactful? Maybe send a fax or something
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.28,0:35:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that?\NBernd: You know what? Do that right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.40,0:35:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during this Q&A, you can add ARDPresse or\NZDF to do just that. And there are people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.16,0:35:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there watching that and watching it. And\Nthe more impulses there are, the more
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.60,0:35:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,likely they will be moving. But also a\Nstandard email. They operate like every
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.32,0:35:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Programmbeschwerde, every input from audiences\Nis being read at the public broadcasters
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.48,0:35:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offices. So just type an email and say, I\Nlove your content. Why isn't it Creative
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.44,0:36:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commons? Cheers, and there you go. This\Nhelps us a lot. And it helps the people
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.12,0:36:08.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside the houses, inside the public\Nbroadcasters who really want get things
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.08,0:36:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going. But there are also the ones who\Nsay: We don't really need to change that,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.32,0:36:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do we? But you and us, we have to show\Nthem that the future lies in Creative
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.40,0:36:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commons licensing and not just getting on\Nwith not providing open content and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.16,0:36:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deleting stuff that is good and that could\Nhave been reused if only it would have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.44,0:36:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been licensed correctly.\NHerald: OK, so we are not screaming into
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.44,0:36:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the void, but we have allies within the\Nbroadcasting authorities that really want
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.52,0:36:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our help, actually, is that true?\NBernd: It is. And there are a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.84,0:36:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people doing the hard work. I mean, my job\Nis easy. I'm sitting at the outside and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.80,0:36:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying, why don't you, why couldn't you,\Noh that would be a good idea. And they are
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.04,0:36:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confronted with all the people who know\Nthe ifs and whens and who always say "no,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.76,0:37:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because" and they're finding reasons why\Nthis shouldn't be possible. But we are now
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.56,0:37:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on from the production level because\Nthe content providers, they want their
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.16,0:37:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products and their content to be remixed.\NWe also gain from the political level
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.72,0:37:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's important for the public\Nbroadcasters, obviously. And we are going
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.12,0:37:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on from the Intendanten, so from the chair\Nlevel. I mean, everyone working at the ARD
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.12,0:37:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ZDF, there is a little bit... if\Nthey try something new, they can fail and
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.56,0:37:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can get smacked over the head with\Npeople who are angry at them. Because
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.60,0:37:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are so many angry people out there who\Nattack the broadcasters all the time. And
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.40,0:37:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they see that it works at one public\Nbroadcaster, like at the ZDF, it's very much
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.92,0:37:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more likely that another public\Nbroadcaster will also try. That's a trial,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.72,0:38:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that course of action.\NHerald: Well, this is...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.08,0:38:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd: a little bit "Beamtenmikado"\NHerald: That's very close to your heart
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.60,0:38:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, I mean, we do have our WTFalpha\Nnight program and we would have loved to
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.88,0:38:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,include Bernd das Brot in that. So for all\Nthe people who are right now composing
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.96,0:38:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tweets at ZDF...\NBernd: copyrighted...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.67,0:38:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Well, maybe in the future and\Nmaybe we're depending on all the people
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.31,0:38:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,composing tweets right now at ZDF, for all\Nthe activists who do have experience with
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.00,0:38:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mass mailing members of parliament, they\Nactually know that mass mails that follow
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.16,0:38:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a template are, well, not as not as\Nimpactful as individual letters. So is it
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.68,0:38:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a detriment if they include in the in\Ntheir tweet, the ÖGÖG hashtag or any other
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.82,0:38:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,campaign mode?\NBernd: the German slogan for "public
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.54,0:39:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money, public content" - "öffentliches\NGeld, öffentliches Gut", ÖGÖG. Yeah, well,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.12,0:39:06.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can do that. So we can we can monitor\Nit a little bit and see who else is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.100,0:39:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in that. You can also reach out\Nto the Wiki loves broadcast group in
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.76,0:39:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikipedia. They're a group of activists\Nwho have experience in that and who are
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.48,0:39:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standing by to help public broadcasters\Nunderstand the Wikipedia and to see
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.58,0:39:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether and where the content fits. So\Nthere's a lot of ways to engage in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.68,0:39:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you have ideas for that or just\Nquestions, you can reach out to me any
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.37,0:39:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. You have my address. That's\Nmediumarticle@wikimediafoundation or you
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.76,0:39:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can just write me\Nbernd.fiedler@wikimedia.de. And yeah, I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.32,0:39:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy to help. Yes, that's good stuff. We\Nwant to have it in the public domain.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.90,0:39:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's make it possible together. I need\Nhelp.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.61,0:40:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: That sounds like a call to action\Nin the background chat that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.22,0:40:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before we went live, you mentioned\Nsomething about big, did you say the big
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.27,0:40:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gulf of material that's already been\Nproduced and is in the kind of legal
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.14,0:40:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limbo, that it's not so easily released\Nright now. Can you talk a little bit more
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.46,0:40:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that?\NBernd: I think I misunderstood the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.44,0:40:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question of the...\NHerald: I mean, we have a similar
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.40,0:40:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation in the United States with the\Nworks that have been published after the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.96,0:40:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1920s, where copyright law has been made\Nmore stringent and original creators can't
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.20,0:40:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be contacted anymore.\NBernd: Yeah, we have two courses of action
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.16,0:40:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the public broadcasters are trying\Nright now. I mean, if you if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.32,0:40:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting on a treasure box, you want to\Nopen it up and share it. If it doesn't get
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.68,0:41:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less, that's where... so the idea is\Ntrying to provide content that they
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.68,0:41:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already have produced, but clearing the\Nrights for that stuff that's already is
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.04,0:41:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced is a pain in the ass. And it's\Nreally hard and sometimes impossible to
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.32,0:41:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach every creator who was connected with\Na production. So everything that's in the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.68,0:41:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,past is kind of lost for our goal for\NCreative Commons license, especially stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.84,0:41:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's being produced and that has been\Nreleased after 1970 or so. So they are
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.20,0:41:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opening up the archives and that's really\Na treasure for Wikipedia. They can then
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.32,0:41:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,link to it and they can at least access it\Nindefinitely. But the other course of
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.68,0:41:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action seems to me much more sustainable -\Nto see in which new productions from now
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.96,0:41:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on we can implement Creative Commons\Nlicensing and so that we can only look and
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.08,0:42:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,walk into the future here. Although I'd\Nlove to see all the good stuff I've been
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.80,0:42:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing on the air already, too, to become\NCreative Commons, but that's really hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.12,0:42:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Well, not to end on a dystopic\Nnote, but to go forth with the utopias,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.44,0:42:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a way to to open at least the\Nfuture releases. And you've shown
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.32,0:42:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us how to do that. And we thank you. I\Nmean, we are the unofficial public
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.48,0:42:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcasting cosplay channel at rC3. So\Nanybody who's interested in having more
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.76,0:42:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting night program for future\Nprograming, please contact Bernd. Bernd,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.12,0:42:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks again so much for being on air\Nright now with us and keep up the good
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.68,0:42:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fight in the name of the love of public\Nbroadcasting.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.48,0:42:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bernd: I'm counting on you. See you soon.\NHerald: See you, bye Bernd!
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