1 00:00:01,010 --> 00:00:04,984 Today I stand before you as a man who lives life to the full 2 00:00:04,984 --> 00:00:06,569 in the here and now. 3 00:00:07,466 --> 00:00:09,196 But for a long time, 4 00:00:09,196 --> 00:00:10,834 I lived for death. 5 00:00:12,145 --> 00:00:13,892 I was a young man who believed 6 00:00:13,892 --> 00:00:18,546 that jihad is to be understood in the language for force and violence. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,614 I tried to right wrongs through power and aggression. 8 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:31,021 I had deep concerns for the suffering of others 9 00:00:31,021 --> 00:00:34,633 and a strong desire to help and bring relief to them. 10 00:00:37,391 --> 00:00:40,772 I thought violent Jihad was noble, 11 00:00:40,772 --> 00:00:42,055 chivalrous 12 00:00:42,055 --> 00:00:43,785 and the best way to help. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,758 At a time when so many of our people -- 14 00:00:47,758 --> 00:00:49,022 young people especially -- 15 00:00:49,022 --> 00:00:51,739 are at risk of radicalization 16 00:00:51,739 --> 00:00:53,586 through groups like Al Qaeda, 17 00:00:53,586 --> 00:00:54,618 Islamic State 18 00:00:54,618 --> 00:00:56,241 and others, 19 00:00:56,241 --> 00:00:57,727 when these groups are claiming 20 00:00:57,727 --> 00:01:02,766 that their horrific brutality and violence are true jihad, 21 00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:06,933 I want to say that their idea of Jihad is wrong -- 22 00:01:06,933 --> 00:01:08,233 completely wrong -- 23 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:10,335 as was mine, then. 24 00:01:11,518 --> 00:01:14,782 Jihad means to strive to one's utmost. 25 00:01:14,782 --> 00:01:17,802 It includes exertion and spirituality, 26 00:01:17,802 --> 00:01:19,241 self-purification 27 00:01:19,241 --> 00:01:21,001 and devotion. 28 00:01:22,684 --> 00:01:25,555 It refers to positive transformation 29 00:01:25,555 --> 00:01:29,701 through learning, wisdom and remembrance of God. 30 00:01:29,701 --> 00:01:33,892 The word jihad stands for all those meanings as a whole. 31 00:01:35,233 --> 00:01:39,639 Jihad may at times take the form of fighting, 32 00:01:39,639 --> 00:01:41,574 but only sometimes, 33 00:01:41,574 --> 00:01:44,462 under strict conditions, 34 00:01:44,462 --> 00:01:46,983 within rules and limits. 35 00:01:48,085 --> 00:01:49,092 In Islam, 36 00:01:49,092 --> 00:01:54,444 the benefit of an act must outweigh the harm or hardship it entails. 37 00:01:55,426 --> 00:01:57,303 More importantly, 38 00:01:57,303 --> 00:02:02,070 the verses in the Koran that are connected to jihad [of] fighting, 39 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:07,542 do not cancel out the verses that talk about forgiveness, 40 00:02:07,542 --> 00:02:08,954 benevolence, 41 00:02:08,954 --> 00:02:10,712 or patience. 42 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:18,336 But now I believe that there are no circumstances on Earth 43 00:02:18,336 --> 00:02:20,916 where a violent jihad is permissible, 44 00:02:20,916 --> 00:02:24,315 because it will lead to greater harm. 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,648 But now the idea of Jihad has been hijacked. 46 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:31,987 It has been perverted to mean violent struggle 47 00:02:31,987 --> 00:02:34,950 wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, 48 00:02:34,950 --> 00:02:36,883 and turned into terrorism 49 00:02:36,883 --> 00:02:39,970 by fascistic Islamists like Al Qaeda, 50 00:02:39,970 --> 00:02:40,971 Islamic State 51 00:02:40,971 --> 00:02:42,264 and others. 52 00:02:42,586 --> 00:02:44,468 But I have come to understand 53 00:02:44,468 --> 00:02:48,516 that true jihad means striving to the utmost 54 00:02:48,516 --> 00:02:52,633 to strengthen and live those qualities which God loves: 55 00:02:52,633 --> 00:02:53,628 honesty, 56 00:02:53,628 --> 00:02:55,133 trustworthiness, 57 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:57,230 compassion, benevolence, 58 00:02:57,230 --> 00:02:59,121 reliability, respect, 59 00:02:59,121 --> 00:03:00,563 truthfulness -- 60 00:03:00,563 --> 00:03:04,353 human values that so many of us share. 61 00:03:06,584 --> 00:03:08,516 I was born in Bangladesh, 62 00:03:08,516 --> 00:03:10,695 but grew up mostly in England. 63 00:03:10,695 --> 00:03:12,594 And I went to school here. 64 00:03:12,834 --> 00:03:15,178 My father was an academic, 65 00:03:15,178 --> 00:03:17,565 and we were in the UK through his work. 66 00:03:18,613 --> 00:03:23,228 In 1971 we were in Bangladesh when everything changed. 67 00:03:24,509 --> 00:03:28,091 The War of Independence impacted upon us terribly, 68 00:03:28,091 --> 00:03:30,013 pitting family against family, 69 00:03:30,013 --> 00:03:31,759 neighbor against neighbor. 70 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:34,755 And at the age of 12 I experience war, 71 00:03:34,755 --> 00:03:37,114 destitution in my family, 72 00:03:37,114 --> 00:03:41,340 the deaths of 22 of my relatives in horrible ways, 73 00:03:41,340 --> 00:03:45,007 as well as the murder of my elder brother. 74 00:03:47,298 --> 00:03:51,277 I witnessed killing ... 75 00:03:51,277 --> 00:03:54,244 animals feeding on corpses in the streets, 76 00:03:54,244 --> 00:03:55,950 starvation all around me; 77 00:03:55,950 --> 00:03:58,103 wanton, horrific violence -- 78 00:03:58,103 --> 00:04:00,019 senseless violence. 79 00:04:02,615 --> 00:04:04,256 I was a young man -- 80 00:04:04,256 --> 00:04:05,258 teenager -- 81 00:04:05,258 --> 00:04:07,372 fascinated by ideas. 82 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:09,213 I wanted to learn, 83 00:04:09,213 --> 00:04:11,902 but I could not go to school for four years. 84 00:04:13,056 --> 00:04:14,527 After the War of Independence, 85 00:04:14,527 --> 00:04:18,198 my father was put in prison for two-and-a-half years, 86 00:04:18,198 --> 00:04:21,453 and I used to visit him every week in prison, 87 00:04:21,453 --> 00:04:23,830 and homeschooled myself. 88 00:04:24,331 --> 00:04:27,815 My father was released in 1973 89 00:04:27,815 --> 00:04:30,497 and he fled to England as a refugee, 90 00:04:30,497 --> 00:04:32,335 and we soon followed him. 91 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:34,259 I was 17. 92 00:04:34,666 --> 00:04:37,195 So these experiences gave me 93 00:04:37,195 --> 00:04:41,158 a sharp awareness of the atrocities and injustices in the world. 94 00:04:42,611 --> 00:04:44,454 And I had a strong desire -- 95 00:04:44,454 --> 00:04:46,357 a very keen, deep desire -- 96 00:04:46,357 --> 00:04:47,517 to right wrongs 97 00:04:47,517 --> 00:04:49,866 and help the victims of oppression. 98 00:04:50,871 --> 00:04:52,830 While studying at college in the UK, 99 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:58,987 I met others who showed me how I could channel that desire 100 00:04:58,987 --> 00:05:01,575 and help through my religion. 101 00:05:01,881 --> 00:05:03,444 And I was radicalized -- 102 00:05:03,444 --> 00:05:07,878 enough to consider violence correct, 103 00:05:07,878 --> 00:05:11,105 even a virtue under certain circumstances. 104 00:05:12,489 --> 00:05:15,811 So I became involved in the jihad in Afghanistan. 105 00:05:15,811 --> 00:05:20,456 I wanted to protect the Muslim [Afghan] population against the Soviet army. 106 00:05:21,239 --> 00:05:23,683 And I thought that was jihad: 107 00:05:23,683 --> 00:05:25,166 my sacred duty, 108 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:27,360 which would be rewarded by God. 109 00:05:32,177 --> 00:05:34,703 I became a preacher. 110 00:05:36,267 --> 00:05:41,368 I was one of the pioneers of violent jihad in the UK. 111 00:05:41,368 --> 00:05:42,845 I recruited, 112 00:05:42,845 --> 00:05:43,908 I raised funds, 113 00:05:43,908 --> 00:05:44,974 I trained. 114 00:05:45,778 --> 00:05:48,485 I confused true jihad 115 00:05:48,485 --> 00:05:54,105 with this perversion as presented by the fascist Islamists -- 116 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:57,054 these people who use the idea of jihad 117 00:05:57,054 --> 00:06:01,551 to justify their lust for power, authority and control on us. 118 00:06:01,913 --> 00:06:06,271 A perversion perpetuated today by fascist Islamist groups 119 00:06:06,271 --> 00:06:09,822 like Al Qaeda, Islamic State and others. 120 00:06:10,756 --> 00:06:13,858 For a period of around 15 years, 121 00:06:13,858 --> 00:06:18,694 I fought for short periods of time 122 00:06:18,694 --> 00:06:20,434 in Kashmir and Burma, 123 00:06:20,434 --> 00:06:22,284 besides Afghanistan. 124 00:06:25,278 --> 00:06:29,103 Our aim was to remove the invaders, 125 00:06:29,103 --> 00:06:33,092 to bring relief to the oppressed victims 126 00:06:33,092 --> 00:06:36,426 and of course to establish an Islamic state; 127 00:06:36,426 --> 00:06:38,729 a caliphate for God's rule. 128 00:06:39,087 --> 00:06:40,942 And I did this openly. 129 00:06:41,816 --> 00:06:44,396 I didn't break any laws. 130 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:47,809 I was proud and grateful to be British -- 131 00:06:47,809 --> 00:06:49,147 I still am. 132 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:54,278 And I bore no hostility against this, my country, 133 00:06:54,278 --> 00:06:57,910 nor enmity towards the non-Muslim citizens, 134 00:06:57,910 --> 00:06:59,605 and I still don't. 135 00:07:02,112 --> 00:07:04,511 During one battle in Afghanistan, 136 00:07:04,511 --> 00:07:08,258 some British men and I formed a special bond 137 00:07:08,258 --> 00:07:10,932 with a 15-year-old Afghani boy, 138 00:07:10,932 --> 00:07:13,103 Abdullah, 139 00:07:13,103 --> 00:07:15,357 an innocent, loving and lovable kid 140 00:07:15,357 --> 00:07:18,347 who was always eager to please. 141 00:07:19,103 --> 00:07:20,507 He was poor. 142 00:07:21,075 --> 00:07:23,991 And boys like him did menial tasks in the camp. 143 00:07:24,683 --> 00:07:26,650 And he seemed happy enough, 144 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:28,077 but I couldn't help wonder -- 145 00:07:28,077 --> 00:07:30,800 his parents must have missed him dearly. 146 00:07:31,733 --> 00:07:36,006 And they must have dreamt about a better future for him. 147 00:07:37,934 --> 00:07:40,694 A victim of circumstance caught up in a war, 148 00:07:40,694 --> 00:07:43,125 cruelly thrust upon him 149 00:07:43,125 --> 00:07:45,883 by the cruel circumstances of the time. 150 00:07:48,969 --> 00:07:54,618 One day I picked up this unexploded mortar shell in a trench, 151 00:07:54,618 --> 00:07:58,751 and I had it deposited in a makeshift mud hut lab. 152 00:07:59,489 --> 00:08:02,414 And I went out on a short, pointless skirmish -- 153 00:08:02,414 --> 00:08:04,649 always pointless -- 154 00:08:04,649 --> 00:08:06,230 and I came back a few hours later 155 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:08,779 to discover he was dead. 156 00:08:09,426 --> 00:08:12,335 He had tried to recover explosives from that shell. 157 00:08:12,335 --> 00:08:15,772 It exploded and he died a violent death, 158 00:08:15,772 --> 00:08:20,291 blown to bits by the very same device that had proved harmless to me. 159 00:08:21,373 --> 00:08:24,222 So I started to question. 160 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:28,950 How did his death serve any purpose? 161 00:08:30,628 --> 00:08:33,002 Why did he die and I lived? 162 00:08:33,863 --> 00:08:35,335 I carried on. 163 00:08:35,335 --> 00:08:37,038 I fought in Kashmir. 164 00:08:37,038 --> 00:08:39,819 I also recruited for the Philippines, 165 00:08:39,819 --> 00:08:42,173 Bosnia and Chechnya. 166 00:08:42,921 --> 00:08:44,956 And the questions grew. 167 00:08:46,154 --> 00:08:48,043 Later in Burma, 168 00:08:48,043 --> 00:08:50,363 I came across Rohingya fighters, 169 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:52,586 who were barely teenagers, 170 00:08:52,586 --> 00:08:54,215 born and brought up in the jungle, 171 00:08:54,215 --> 00:08:57,018 carrying machine guns and grenade launches. 172 00:09:00,259 --> 00:09:06,305 I met two 13-year-olds with soft manners and gentle voices. 173 00:09:07,215 --> 00:09:08,221 Looking at me, 174 00:09:08,221 --> 00:09:11,571 they begged me to take them away to England. 175 00:09:17,023 --> 00:09:20,002 They simply wanted to go to school -- 176 00:09:20,002 --> 00:09:21,942 that was their dream. 177 00:09:24,481 --> 00:09:25,565 My family -- 178 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,443 my children of the same age -- 179 00:09:27,443 --> 00:09:30,412 were living at home in the UK, 180 00:09:30,412 --> 00:09:31,712 going to school, 181 00:09:31,712 --> 00:09:33,302 living a safe life. 182 00:09:34,052 --> 00:09:35,336 And I couldn't help wonder 183 00:09:35,336 --> 00:09:38,855 how much these young boys must have spoken to one another 184 00:09:38,855 --> 00:09:41,729 about their dreams for such a life. 185 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,975 Victims of circumstances. 186 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,528 These two young boys -- 187 00:09:48,528 --> 00:09:49,951 sleeping rough on the ground, 188 00:09:49,951 --> 00:09:51,762 looking up at the stars -- 189 00:09:51,762 --> 00:09:54,312 cynically exploited by their leaders 190 00:09:54,312 --> 00:09:57,027 for their personal lust for glory and power. 191 00:09:58,207 --> 00:10:01,346 I soon witnessed boys like them killing one another 192 00:10:01,346 --> 00:10:04,326 in conflicts between rival groups. 193 00:10:05,557 --> 00:10:09,620 And it was the same everywhere ... 194 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:12,129 Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma, 195 00:10:12,129 --> 00:10:14,607 Philipines, Chechnya; 196 00:10:14,607 --> 00:10:19,229 petty warlords got the young and vulnerable to kill one another 197 00:10:19,229 --> 00:10:21,316 in the name of jihad. 198 00:10:22,511 --> 00:10:24,648 Muslims against Muslims. 199 00:10:25,957 --> 00:10:30,335 Not protecting anyone against invaders or occupiers; 200 00:10:30,335 --> 00:10:32,895 not bringing relief to the oppressed. 201 00:10:34,455 --> 00:10:35,957 Children being used -- 202 00:10:35,957 --> 00:10:37,695 cynically exploited; 203 00:10:37,695 --> 00:10:42,533 people dying in conflicts which I was supporting in the name of jihad. 204 00:10:45,158 --> 00:10:47,208 And it still carries on today. 205 00:10:52,035 --> 00:10:55,839 Realizing that the violent jihad 206 00:10:55,839 --> 00:11:01,909 I had engaged in abroad 207 00:11:01,909 --> 00:11:05,545 was so different -- 208 00:11:05,545 --> 00:11:10,369 such a chasm between what I had experienced 209 00:11:10,369 --> 00:11:13,040 and what I thought was sacred duty -- 210 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,610 I had to reflect on my activities here in the UK. 211 00:11:18,426 --> 00:11:20,543 I had to consider my preaching, 212 00:11:20,543 --> 00:11:21,544 recruiting, 213 00:11:21,544 --> 00:11:22,538 fundraising, 214 00:11:22,538 --> 00:11:23,874 training, 215 00:11:23,874 --> 00:11:27,021 but most importantly, radicalizing -- 216 00:11:27,021 --> 00:11:29,121 sending young people to fight and die 217 00:11:29,121 --> 00:11:30,431 as I was doing -- 218 00:11:30,431 --> 00:11:32,881 all totally wrong. 219 00:11:35,929 --> 00:11:40,176 So I got involved in violent jihad in the mid '80s, 220 00:11:40,176 --> 00:11:42,428 starting with Afghanistan. 221 00:11:42,832 --> 00:11:46,462 And by the time I finished it was in the year 2000. 222 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:48,848 I was completely immersed in it. 223 00:11:48,848 --> 00:11:50,927 All around me people supported, 224 00:11:50,927 --> 00:11:52,203 applauded, 225 00:11:52,203 --> 00:11:55,074 even celebrated what we were doing in their name. 226 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,131 But by the time I learned to get out, 227 00:11:58,131 --> 00:12:00,930 completely disillusioned in the year 2000, 228 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:03,304 15 years had passed. 229 00:12:05,387 --> 00:12:07,073 So what goes wrong? 230 00:12:08,975 --> 00:12:13,529 We were so busy talking about virtue, 231 00:12:13,529 --> 00:12:16,860 and we were blinded by a cause. 232 00:12:20,481 --> 00:12:25,105 And we did not give ourselves a chance to develop a virtuous character. 233 00:12:25,992 --> 00:12:30,239 We told ourselves we were fighting for the oppressed, 234 00:12:30,239 --> 00:12:32,788 but these were unwinnable wars. 235 00:12:34,006 --> 00:12:37,755 We became the very instrument through which more deaths occurred, 236 00:12:37,755 --> 00:12:41,491 complicit in causing further misery 237 00:12:41,491 --> 00:12:44,413 for the selfish benefit of the cruel few. 238 00:12:52,586 --> 00:12:53,718 So over time -- 239 00:12:53,718 --> 00:12:56,809 a very long time -- 240 00:12:56,809 --> 00:12:59,004 I opened my eyes. 241 00:13:00,371 --> 00:13:05,077 I began to dare to face the truth, 242 00:13:05,077 --> 00:13:07,618 to think, 243 00:13:07,618 --> 00:13:09,777 to face the hard questions. 244 00:13:09,777 --> 00:13:12,591 I got in touch with my soul. 245 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,355 What have I learned? 246 00:13:24,907 --> 00:13:31,129 That people who engage in violent jihadism, 247 00:13:31,129 --> 00:13:34,870 that people who are drawn to these types of extremisms, 248 00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:37,488 are not that different to everyone else. 249 00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:41,414 But I believe such people can change. 250 00:13:42,377 --> 00:13:45,292 They can regain their hearts and restore them 251 00:13:45,292 --> 00:13:48,512 by filling them with human values that heal. 252 00:13:55,237 --> 00:13:57,580 When we ignore the realities, 253 00:13:57,580 --> 00:14:02,994 we discover that we accept what we are told without critical reflection. 254 00:14:05,909 --> 00:14:09,696 I will ignore the gifts and advantages that many of us would cherish 255 00:14:09,696 --> 00:14:12,678 even for a single moment in their lives. 256 00:14:16,644 --> 00:14:19,869 I engaged in actions I thought were correct. 257 00:14:22,019 --> 00:14:26,243 But now I began to question how I knew what I knew. 258 00:14:28,145 --> 00:14:31,812 I endlessly told others to accept the truth, 259 00:14:31,812 --> 00:14:35,678 but I failed to give doubt its rightful place. 260 00:14:41,196 --> 00:14:46,061 This conviction that people can change is rooted in my experience, 261 00:14:46,061 --> 00:14:47,674 my own journey. 262 00:14:48,707 --> 00:14:50,585 Through wide reading, 263 00:14:50,585 --> 00:14:52,385 reflecting, 264 00:14:52,385 --> 00:14:53,462 contemplation, 265 00:14:53,462 --> 00:14:54,455 self-knowledge, 266 00:14:54,455 --> 00:14:55,463 I discovered -- 267 00:14:55,463 --> 00:15:00,947 I realized that Islamists' world of us and them is false and unjust. 268 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,710 Through considering the uncertainties in all that we had asserted, 269 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:11,431 to the inviolable truths -- 270 00:15:11,431 --> 00:15:15,171 incontestable truths -- 271 00:15:15,171 --> 00:15:18,611 I developed a more nuanced understanding. 272 00:15:24,736 --> 00:15:30,170 I realized that in a world crowded with variation and contradiction, 273 00:15:30,170 --> 00:15:31,358 foolish preachers -- 274 00:15:31,358 --> 00:15:34,449 only foolish preachers like I used to be -- 275 00:15:34,449 --> 00:15:39,919 see no paradox in the myths and fictions they use to assert authenticity. 276 00:15:41,407 --> 00:15:45,910 So I understood the vital importance of self-knowledge, 277 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:48,381 politcal awareness 278 00:15:48,381 --> 00:15:54,067 and the necessity for a deep and wide understanding of our committments 279 00:15:54,067 --> 00:15:55,476 and our actions, 280 00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:57,498 how they effect others. 281 00:15:58,629 --> 00:16:00,378 So my plea today to everyone, 282 00:16:00,378 --> 00:16:06,781 especially those who sincerely believe in Islamist jihadism ... 283 00:16:06,781 --> 00:16:10,677 refuse dogmatic authority; 284 00:16:10,677 --> 00:16:15,286 let go of anger, hatred and violence; 285 00:16:15,286 --> 00:16:17,141 learn to right wrongs 286 00:16:17,141 --> 00:16:22,057 without even attempting to justify cruel, unjust and futile behavior. 287 00:16:25,102 --> 00:16:28,443 Instead create a few beautiful and useful things 288 00:16:28,443 --> 00:16:30,515 that outlive us. 289 00:16:33,407 --> 00:16:34,784 Approach the world -- 290 00:16:34,784 --> 00:16:35,777 life -- 291 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:37,076 with love. 292 00:16:38,168 --> 00:16:39,624 [In all,] learn to develop, 293 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:40,937 or cultivate your hearts 294 00:16:40,937 --> 00:16:44,549 to see goodness, beauty and truth in others and in the world. 295 00:16:45,228 --> 00:16:49,363 That way we do matter more to ourselves ... 296 00:16:49,363 --> 00:16:51,394 to each other, 297 00:16:51,394 --> 00:16:52,385 to our communities; 298 00:16:52,385 --> 00:16:53,620 and for me, 299 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:54,787 to God. 300 00:16:55,354 --> 00:16:56,931 This is jihad -- 301 00:16:56,931 --> 00:16:58,219 my true jihad. 302 00:16:58,891 --> 00:17:00,120 Thank you. 303 00:17:00,207 --> 00:17:02,587 (Applause)