WEBVTT 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.776 Today I stand before you as a man who lives life to the full 00:00:04.800 --> 00:00:06.040 in the here and now. 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:08.936 But for a long time, 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:10.160 I lived for death. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:11.920 --> 00:00:13.536 I was a young man who believed 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:18.120 that jihad is to be understood in the language of force and violence. 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.000 I tried to right wrongs through power and aggression. 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:29.880 I had deep concerns for the suffering of others 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:34.000 and a strong desire to help and bring relief to them. 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:40.456 I thought violent jihad was noble, 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:41.816 chivalrous 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:43.160 and the best way to help. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:47.536 At a time when so many of our people -- 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:48.816 young people especially -- 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.400 are at risk of radicalization 00:00:51.400 --> 00:00:53.096 through groups like al-Qaeda, 00:00:53.120 --> 00:00:54.960 Islamic State and others, 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:57.336 when these groups are claiming 00:00:57.360 --> 00:01:02.416 that their horrific brutality and violence are true jihad, 00:01:02.440 --> 00:01:06.616 I want to say that their idea of jihad is wrong -- 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:07.976 completely wrong -- 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.200 as was mine, then. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:13.560 Jihad means to strive to one's utmost. 00:01:14.440 --> 00:01:17.456 It includes exertion and spirituality, 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:18.976 self-purification 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:20.200 and devotion. 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.256 It refers to positive transformation 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.376 through learning, wisdom and remembrance of God. 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.640 The word jihad stands for all those meanings as a whole. 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:39.336 Jihad may at times take the form of fighting, 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:40.560 but only sometimes, 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.920 under strict conditions, 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.160 within rules and limits. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.056 In Islam, 00:01:49.080 --> 00:01:54.080 the benefit of an act must outweigh the harm or hardship it entails. 00:01:55.240 --> 00:01:56.976 More importantly, 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.736 the verses in the Koran that are connected to jihad or fighting 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:07.336 do not cancel out the verses that talk about forgiveness, 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:08.656 benevolence 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:09.880 or patience. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:13.320 --> 00:02:17.896 But now I believe that there are no circumstances on earth 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:20.496 where violent jihad is permissible, 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.200 because it will lead to greater harm. 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.296 But now the idea of jihad has been hijacked. 00:02:28.320 --> 00:02:31.656 It has been perverted to mean violent struggle 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.656 wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:36.576 and turned into terrorism 00:02:36.600 --> 00:02:39.656 by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.240 Islamic State and others. 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.256 But I have come to understand 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.216 that true jihad means striving to the utmost 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.600 to strengthen and live those qualities which God loves: 00:02:52.440 --> 00:02:54.776 honesty, trustworthiness, 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.896 compassion, benevolence, 00:02:56.920 --> 00:02:58.816 reliability, respect, 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:00.216 truthfulness -- 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.360 human values that so many of us share. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.216 I was born in Bangladesh, 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:09.669 but grew up mostly in England. 00:03:10.480 --> 00:03:11.719 And I went to school here. 00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:14.776 My father was an academic, 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.880 and we were in the UK through his work. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:22.840 In 1971 we were in Bangladesh when everything changed. 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:27.776 The War of Independence impacted upon us terribly, 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.656 pitting family against family, 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.376 neighbor against neighbor. 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.256 And at the age of 12 I experienced war, 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:35.880 destitution in my family, 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:39.960 the deaths of 22 of my relatives in horrible ways, 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.760 as well as the murder of my elder brother. 00:03:47.040 --> 00:03:48.800 I witnessed killing ... 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.816 animals feeding on corpses in the streets, 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:55.576 starvation all around me, 00:03:55.600 --> 00:03:57.736 wanton, horrific violence -- 00:03:57.760 --> 00:03:58.960 senseless violence. 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.016 I was a young man, 00:04:04.040 --> 00:04:06.976 teenager, fascinated by ideas. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.816 I wanted to learn, 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:10.888 but I could not go to school for four years. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:12.760 --> 00:04:14.216 After the War of Independence, 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.720 my father was put in prison for two and a half years, 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.360 and I used to visit him every week in prison, 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:22.600 and homeschooled myself. 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:26.640 My father was released in 1973 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:30.096 and he fled to England as a refugee, 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:31.360 and we soon followed him. 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.376 I was 17. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:36.856 So these experiences gave me 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:40.680 a sharp awareness of the atrocities and injustices in the world. 00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:44.136 And I had a strong desire -- 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.176 a very keen, deep desire -- 00:04:46.200 --> 00:04:47.416 to right wrongs 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:49.107 and help the victims of oppression. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:52.536 While studying at college in the UK, 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:58.040 I met others who showed me how I could channel that desire 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.440 and help through my religion. 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.016 And I was radicalized -- 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.480 enough to consider violence correct, 00:05:07.640 --> 00:05:10.000 even a virtue under certain circumstances. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:12.320 --> 00:05:15.536 So I became involved in the jihad in Afghanistan. 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:20.120 I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan population against the Soviet army. 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:23.336 And I thought that was jihad: 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.856 my sacred duty, 00:05:24.880 --> 00:05:26.600 which would be rewarded by God. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:33.880 I became a preacher. 00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:41.056 I was one of the pioneers of violent jihad in the UK. 00:05:41.080 --> 00:05:42.576 I recruited, 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.280 I raised funds, I trained. 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.896 I confused true jihad 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.920 with this perversion as presented by the fascist Islamists -- 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.736 these people who use the idea of jihad 00:05:56.760 --> 00:06:00.640 to justify their lust for power, authority and control on earth: 00:06:01.745 --> 00:06:06.056 a perversion perpetuated today by fascist Islamist groups 00:06:06.080 --> 00:06:08.960 like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:10.440 --> 00:06:12.280 For a period of around 15 years, 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.280 I fought for short periods of time 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:19.976 in Kashmir and Burma, 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.320 besides Afghanistan. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.720 Our aim was to remove the invaders, 00:06:28.760 --> 00:06:31.840 to bring relief to the oppressed victims 00:06:32.880 --> 00:06:36.016 and of course to establish an Islamic state, 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.760 a caliphate for God's rule. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.920 And I did this openly. 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:43.760 I didn't break any laws. 00:06:44.440 --> 00:06:47.536 I was proud and grateful to be British -- 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.136 I still am. 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.800 And I bore no hostility against this, my country, 00:06:53.960 --> 00:06:57.496 nor enmity towards the non-Muslim citizens, 00:06:57.520 --> 00:06:58.920 and I still don't. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:01.840 --> 00:07:04.216 During one battle in Afghanistan, 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.120 some British men and I formed a special bond 00:07:07.960 --> 00:07:10.696 with a 15-year-old Afghani boy, 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:11.920 Abdullah, 00:07:12.840 --> 00:07:15.176 an innocent, loving and lovable kid 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:17.240 who was always eager to please. 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:20.160 He was poor. 00:07:20.760 --> 00:07:23.480 And boys like him did menial tasks in the camp. 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:25.766 And he seemed happy enough, 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:27.896 but I couldn't help wonder -- 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:29.825 his parents must have missed him dearly. 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.120 And they must have dreamt about a better future for him. 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.376 A victim of circumstance caught up in a war, 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:41.680 cruelly thrust upon him 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:44.960 by the cruel circumstances of the time. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.400 One day I picked up this unexploded mortar shell in a trench, 00:07:54.320 --> 00:07:58.120 and I had it deposited in a makeshift mud hut lab. 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:02.216 And I went out on a short, pointless skirmish -- 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.440 always pointless, 00:08:04.440 --> 00:08:07.880 And I came back a few hours later to discover he was dead. 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.936 He had tried to recover explosives from that shell. 00:08:11.960 --> 00:08:14.560 It exploded, and he died a violent death, 00:08:15.440 --> 00:08:19.720 blown to bits by the very same device that had proved harmless to me. 00:08:21.080 --> 00:08:22.600 So I started to question. 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.320 How did his death serve any purpose? 00:08:30.280 --> 00:08:32.280 Why did he die and I lived? NOTE Paragraph 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.056 I carried on. 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:36.696 I fought in Kashmir. 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.416 I also recruited for the Philippines, 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.240 Bosnia and Chechnya. 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:43.840 And the questions grew. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:45.880 --> 00:08:47.776 Later in Burma, 00:08:47.800 --> 00:08:50.136 I came across Rohingya fighters, 00:08:50.160 --> 00:08:52.416 who were barely teenagers, 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.096 born and brought up in the jungle, 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.180 carrying machine guns and grenade launchers. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:05.200 I met two 13-year-olds with soft manners and gentle voices. 00:09:06.920 --> 00:09:08.136 Looking at me, 00:09:08.160 --> 00:09:10.240 they begged me to take them away to England. 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.600 They simply wanted to go to school -- 00:09:19.680 --> 00:09:21.000 that was their dream. 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:25.576 My family -- 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:27.056 my children of the same age -- 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.040 were living at home in the UK, 00:09:30.040 --> 00:09:31.336 going to school, 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:32.560 living a safe life. 00:09:33.880 --> 00:09:35.136 And I couldn't help wonder 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:38.616 how much these young boys must have spoken to one another 00:09:38.640 --> 00:09:40.840 about their dreams for such a life. 00:09:42.920 --> 00:09:44.840 Victims of circumstances: 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:47.640 these two young boys, 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.376 sleeping rough on the ground, looking up at the stars, 00:09:51.400 --> 00:09:53.896 cynically exploited by their leaders 00:09:53.920 --> 00:09:56.400 for their personal lust for glory and power. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:57.920 --> 00:10:01.136 I soon witnessed boys like them killing one another 00:10:01.160 --> 00:10:03.400 in conflicts between rival groups. 00:10:05.400 --> 00:10:07.760 And it was the same everywhere ... 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:11.776 Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma, 00:10:11.800 --> 00:10:13.280 Philippines, Chechnya; 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.856 petty warlords got the young and vulnerable to kill one another 00:10:18.880 --> 00:10:20.200 in the name of jihad. 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.080 Muslims against Muslims. 00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:30.016 Not protecting anyone against invaders or occupiers; 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:32.040 not bringing relief to the oppressed. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:35.616 Children being used, 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:37.256 cynically exploited; 00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:39.216 people dying in conflicts 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.280 which I was supporting in the name of jihad. 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:46.560 And it still carries on today. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:51.800 --> 00:10:55.416 Realizing that the violent jihad 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:59.640 I had engaged in abroad 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.480 was so different -- 00:11:05.280 --> 00:11:10.016 such a chasm between what I had experienced 00:11:10.040 --> 00:11:11.840 and what I thought was sacred duty -- 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:15.600 I had to reflect on my activities here in the UK. 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.296 I had to consider my preaching, 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.856 recruiting, fund-raising, 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:23.456 training, 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.600 but most importantly, radicalizing -- 00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:28.856 sending young people to fight and die 00:11:28.880 --> 00:11:30.096 as I was doing -- 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:31.880 all totally wrong. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:38.880 So I got involved in violent jihad in the mid '80s, 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.440 starting with Afghanistan. 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.880 And by the time I finished it was in the year 2000. 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:48.616 I was completely immersed in it. 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:50.576 All around me people supported, 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:51.816 applauded, 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.240 even celebrated what we were doing in their name. 00:11:56.160 --> 00:11:57.976 But by the time I learned to get out, 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.616 completely disillusioned in the year 2000, 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:02.320 15 years had passed. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:06.440 So what goes wrong? 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.560 We were so busy talking about virtue, 00:12:13.160 --> 00:12:16.320 and we were blinded by a cause. 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.520 And we did not give ourselves a chance to develop a virtuous character. 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:29.816 We told ourselves we were fighting for the oppressed, 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.040 but these were unwinnable wars. 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.336 We became the very instrument through which more deaths occurred, 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.096 complicit in causing further misery 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.720 for the selfish benefit of the cruel few. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:52.280 --> 00:12:53.496 So over time, 00:12:53.520 --> 00:12:54.720 a very long time, 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:57.800 I opened my eyes. 00:12:59.960 --> 00:13:01.440 I began to dare 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:04.696 to face the truth, 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:05.920 to think, 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.496 to face the hard questions. 00:13:09.520 --> 00:13:11.720 I got in touch with my soul. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:23.400 What have I learned? 00:13:24.640 --> 00:13:29.200 That people who engage in violent jihadism, 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.560 that people who are drawn to these types of extremisms, 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.800 are not that different to everyone else. 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:40.680 But I believe such people can change. 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.976 They can regain their hearts and restore them 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.060 by filling them with human values that heal. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.216 When we ignore the realities, 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:03.000 we discover that we accept what we are told without critical reflection. 00:14:05.640 --> 00:14:09.416 And we ignore the gifts and advantages that many of us would cherish 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.720 even for a single moment in their lives. 00:14:16.400 --> 00:14:18.760 I engaged in actions I thought were correct. 00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:25.760 But now I began to question how I knew what I knew. 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:31.536 I endlessly told others to accept the truth, 00:14:31.560 --> 00:14:35.280 but I failed to give doubt its rightful place. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:45.776 This conviction that people can change is rooted in my experience, 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:47.000 my own journey. 00:14:48.520 --> 00:14:50.416 Through wide reading, 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:51.640 reflecting, 00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:54.056 contemplation, self-knowledge, 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:55.296 I discovered, 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.960 I realized that Islamists' world of us and them is false and unjust. 00:15:04.800 --> 00:15:08.480 Through considering the uncertainties in all that we had asserted, 00:15:09.400 --> 00:15:11.016 to the inviolable truths, 00:15:11.040 --> 00:15:12.440 incontestable truths, 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.840 I developed a more nuanced understanding. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.960 I realized that in a world crowded with variation and contradiction, 00:15:29.920 --> 00:15:31.136 foolish preachers, 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:34.176 only foolish preachers like I used to be, 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:39.560 see no paradox in the myths and fictions they use to assert authenticity. 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.656 So I understood the vital importance of self-knowledge, 00:15:45.680 --> 00:15:46.880 political awareness 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.656 and the necessity for a deep and wide understanding 00:15:52.680 --> 00:15:55.136 of our commitments and our actions, 00:15:55.160 --> 00:15:56.480 how they affect others. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:58.520 --> 00:15:59.976 So my plea today to everyone, 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.480 especially those who sincerely believe in Islamist jihadism ... 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.880 refuse dogmatic authority; 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.040 let go of anger, hatred and violence; 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.776 learn to right wrongs 00:16:16.800 --> 00:16:21.870 without even attempting to justify cruel, unjust and futile behavior. 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.176 Instead create a few beautiful and useful things 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.400 that outlive us. 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.056 Approach the world, life, 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:36.280 with love. 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.216 Learn to develop 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:40.496 or cultivate your hearts 00:16:40.520 --> 00:16:43.880 to see goodness, beauty and truth in others and in the world. 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.520 That way we do matter more to ourselves ... 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:50.440 to each other, 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:52.376 to our communities 00:16:52.400 --> 00:16:53.880 and, for me, to God. 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:56.616 This is jihad -- 00:16:56.640 --> 00:16:57.840 my true jihad. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:58.920 --> 00:17:00.136 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:02.600 (Applause)