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Gathering in Muizen

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Gathering in Muizen

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How do we build the square together?

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Can all voices be present?

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How do we want to live together democratically?

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How do we engage in dialogue?

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Can all voices of Muizen be heard?

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Do things like the square also have a voice?

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How do we make the square together?

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How do we build the square together?

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we are now going to start with the first part

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it's actually a referendum

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about the square we're sitting on now

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the idea is that later we vote on the proposals

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so you got the program

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you see there is a band at the top

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and that you, every page has a color

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and actually you see those colors here as well

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from yes to no

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yes?

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so it's actually kind of gradual voting

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but that will become clear later

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I think we can just start by watching the first video

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hello, I'm Kris Mys

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with our archituctural office, by now 15 years ago

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we renovated the dorpshuis and built the square

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we set up the zocalo

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an idea from Mexico, where not only in Mexico city

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but also in small towns, small villages even

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there's always such a zocalo, something like, a pedestal in Dutch

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so a base

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to say, this where public life, community life

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social dynamics have their place

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we had hoped that the school and the classes and the children

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would make use of that

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then there was the red cross

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then there were studio's over there

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which actually could open themselves towards the edge

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we wanted to get rid of that gate

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an additional access

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we wanted to get rid of that door

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an extra passage to everything behind it

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that the square becomes really porous and crossable

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and an intersection of roads and people

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so the question is, very simple: should we open up more entrances to the square?

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yes, I heard the gentleman say something about that gate

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that there would be access to what's behind it

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but behind that is just the school playground

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as a parent of someone from the school, of one of the children

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I think that could be a good entrance

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to connect the school with the playground

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um, as long as the zocalo square isn't more accessible

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meaning more usable

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it doesn't make much sense to make more entrances there, I think

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one, two, three

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those are the full no's?

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four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen

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fourteen no's

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ok, we move on to the second vote

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rue-leaved saxifrage

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that little flower?

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yes

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and if you look carefully, but you have to move a little lower

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to the chalice, so the brown where the white comes out

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that is, rue-leaved saxifrage, here you can see the best

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yellow flowers right?

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yellow flowers, yes, that's St. John's wort

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that's a plant that's still used in

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not only in folk medicine but also in official medicine it is still used a lot

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against depression, among other things

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it's something that is often found

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is there room for weeds on the square?

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the square is dangerous, I already fell once with my bike

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it's been a while, I slid away

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yes

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with my front wheel and I was lying there

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surely it is not the intention that plants grow here

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I think the square has another purpose

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because plants are allowed to grow but not on our square here

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is my idea

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about those plants, everyone has their own idea about that

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if there is one thing that never happens here, it is maintenance

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but the plants are burned away, which is a form of mainenance

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if we talk about wildflowers

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is there room for somewhere, a place for wildflowers?

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because that's something else

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since they have been working on concrete removal in our street

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maybe there could be concrete removal here

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and then there is also room for a real green area

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are you ready?

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everything in the air?

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four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

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fifteen yeses I count

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and the green, blue?

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ah, sixteen!

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yes, I'm Hilde De laet

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I'm the principal of De Bel elementary school

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that's a GO elementary school

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so of course my dream is

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we have a rather small playground

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that the zocalo-square would be integrated into our school

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yes, I do think that the square should be broken up

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so that it is a cosy space

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to sit together sometimes

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and for the children to play

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um, in the sense of, I also see sometimes children in other countries

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are not locked up in a school either

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that they can just use the public space as well

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and I think about safety, that should not really be a problem

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yes, I would like that very much

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lowering the square, I don't know if that's possible

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I don't see that as a problem immediately

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yes, I think it should remain a square that is accessible and usable for everyone

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that nothing should be put up to it, not for kids only or for elderly people only or for teenagers only

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and about the removal of the concrete

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something I think we should know

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is that underneath there is a drainage that collects all the rainwater that falls here

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in a large tank of 30000 liters

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and the possibilities to use this water that is stored here

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which are no longer there because they broke down the pumps because they no longer worked properly

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and they cut the pipes

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so all of that is gone

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I am not saying that nothing should be done to the square

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something has to be done

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but there are possibilities

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and the possibilities that are there should be used, I think

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there are plenty of opportunities

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there are a lot of smart people, smart designers

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who can design this school, this space here

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that it is safe for the children and still allow other people in

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yes, my intention was

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there is absolutely no place here where youngsters can hang around

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I wonder, if there is a demand for a playground for children

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um here on the square

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why then your school playground isn't being opened to the public?

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for filth, to pick it up

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you should come and see what garbage there is here around

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I have no intention of doing that every Monday morning

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ok, that's clear

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what I wonder is

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people are turning Muizen into the center of youth

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what about elderly people?

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we don't have meeting places anymore either

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everything is about the youth

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green areas everywhere, playgrounds everywhere, what about the older people?

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we have no stores, we have nothing anymore

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twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen

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nineteen definite yeses

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fifteen definite no's

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and the in-betweens

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so cool and if you think about the square

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if you would change it?

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they want soccer here too

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that there would be a little goal like that and a basket ring above it

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can there be a basket ring on the square?

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is the question

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if no one has a comment

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there's something that I've picked up

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that maybe we could talk about

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is the thought of possibly providing a roof here

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on the square

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if the square doesn't change thoroughly, what little things can you do?

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I would like another swing or a bar

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or a playground

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a bar? not a café-bar?

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but a bar to play at?

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yes

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we would like a roof here

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because, we always have to stand there

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and we often meet here with friends

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so it would be better to have a roof here

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you can do what you want with the zocalo

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but if the townhall is always closed

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I think it should include that

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our local police-person, we don't know when he's here

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you have to request everything online

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please, 1 or 2 times a week

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even if it is half a day

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place someone to be at the townhall

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and possibly hang the opening hours on the door so that people know what is going on

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yes, I do want to join

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we don't have a service center

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as they have in Mechelen

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and that is a service up to and including

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well, absolutely, thumbs-up for that

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but we Muizenaars have nothing

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and will there be parking spaces?

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because everywhere here parking spaces are disappearing

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but none are being added

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we ride our bikes a lot

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but we have to be able to park our car somewhere

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yes, since there is a lot of water under here, I would

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I do not know if you have been in the south of Italy, in all those villages

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when you get there you have a little fountain there

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it's always nice when you can sit around a fountain

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because there is water underneath

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as they say

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maybe they can make a nice little fountain here

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and put benches around it and so on

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that would also be cozier

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ok, that's a nice one to end with

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yes

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if you want to say something, the alderman was here to listen too

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but maybe you also want to respond

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Wilfried, next week those pumps will be checked

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for I did not know that there were pumps here

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and that those pipes were cut

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you never told me that

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but now I know

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so those will definitely be looked at

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I think we can certainly do a lot more with this square than we do now

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given some limited or fundamental adjustments without destroying things

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that are actually there now

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and we are definitely going to work on that

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maybe I also want to say

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Freek, who is behind the music, they will

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translate the votes into flags

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so later in the day you will see lines of flags appearing in those colors

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and you can kind of see how many yes and no votes there have been