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Sandi: 16 teams have been working day and night on the concept art for their spaceship,
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but will their creations be enough to impress the judges?
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The competition is about to get very real on The Next Great Starship.
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Hi. I'm Sandi Gardiner, and we're here in Austin, Texas,
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which is home to one of Cloud Imperium's main development studios.
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Austin, Texas is also home to some of our judges. Let's meet them again.
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Mark Skelton.
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Mark: I am Mark Skelton.
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I am the art director here in the Austin CIG office, and I'm an amazing dresser, obviously.
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Chris S: Style guru extraordinaire.
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Mark: Still style guru.
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Sandi: You lost the tag. Mark: I think I'm going to fly away here...
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Chris R: Yeah, where is the tag?
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Sandi: Yeah, where is that tag? Mark: Maybe I should wear them up like this...
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The tag is gone.
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Chris R: I think the tag was actually taking way too much screen presence away from you...
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Mark: I think it was too. I think it was attacking my neck, is what was happening.
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It was going to attach itself.
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Chris R: So, I'm Chris Roberts, the project director and head of Cloud Imperium Games.
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I don't live in Austin anymore, but I used to,
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and it's actually where I created Wing Commander a long time ago, at a company called Origin,
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and then later on started another company called Digital Anvil, where we did Freelancer.
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It's a great town, has a huge amount of talent,
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which is one of the reasons why we have one of our major development studios here,
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and a bunch of really talented folks, of which some of them I worked with before.
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Chris Olivia worked with me on Wing Commander and at Digital Anvil. So Austin's great. On to you, Chris.
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Chris S: I'm Chris Smith. I'm the lead ship modeller, and I'm based here in Austin, as well.
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Been living here for five years and I love it here.
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Chris O: I'm Chris Olivia, and I'm Chief Visual Officer of Cloud Imperium Games. I live in Austin,
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and like Chris said I worked with Chris at Origin way back in the day and also Digital Anvil here in Austin.
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Sandi: And for the very keen eye, this is not Sean Tracy.
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You would've seen David Hobbins on the last episode, showing off the Mustang,
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and he is here with us to help judge the concept phase of this competition.
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He has worked on a lot of world class films, haven't you David?
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David: Yeah, before Cloud Imperium I worked at Lucasfilm,
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and most recently the movie Flight and the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy,
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but super happy to be here, in the Santa Monica studio.
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And, I get to design spaceships everyday, so...
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Chris R: Yea, it's cool. We're happy to have you.
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We all love the work that you did on the Mustang,
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and there's some other stuff that you've done that everyone hasn't seen yet,
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but that's also pretty awesome stuff.
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Chris S: Amazing stuff.
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Sandi: And now the competition is just getting started,
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because we have 16 teams vying to get their starship in the upcoming space epic Star Citizen.
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And, what else do we have for them?
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Mark: Some crazy swag.
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Cintiqs... Oh my god, just a ton of stuff.
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Chris R: The Maingear rigs, which I don't know if we've shown yet,
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but each one's themed for each one of the ship manufacturers.
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So we have a Drake one and an RSI one, an Aegis one and an Anvil one... a MISC one.
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Mark: If nobody wins, I'm stealing them all.
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I'm taking them for myself. Nobody wins!
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Sandi: What about time with you, Mark? C'mon.
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Mark: Yeah, and they get to touch my shirt, maybe.
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Chris O: They should get the shirt.
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Mark: If they want to give up their Cintiq, maybe I'll even give them the shirt.
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Chris S: Even trade.
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Chris R: And there's the Autodesk Creation Suite.
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That's a pretty significant package.
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I think they're like $8000 or $9000 retail, and everyone in the team gets one of those each.
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Chris O: It's all the stuff that we use at work, so...
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Mark: Plus the cash prizes, right? I mean, geez.
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Sandi: Cash prizes, yeah. There's three cash prizes.
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Mark: It's incredible. Chris R: We've had some very generous sponsors that are helping us do the show.
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There's some great stuff for people to get. It's awesome.
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Sandi: So, we're in the concept phase, which is phase 1 of this competition.
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And Chris, do you want to talk about that?
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Chris R: Yeah, sure.
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The concept stage for me is one of the most important stages of pretty much any art development,
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especially something as involved as a spaceship that we would have in Star Citizen,
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because it's really where you start to figure out the look,
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but also it's not just the form but also the function you do a lot in the concept.
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You're trying to figure out where I'm going to place the turrets, where the engine's going to be,
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and so even though you don't fully model it, you have to start to think about -
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where would the pilot climb into his cockpit or where would the cargo be loaded,
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or say in the case of the gunship that we're doing,
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it's meant to be able to carry some troops - where could they unload.
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For me, it's really important to execute concept well because that sets the tone for the rest of...
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The modeling is very involved, and the texturing and obviously animation,
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and that all brings it to actual life, but without the concept as your blueprint...
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The concept really, like... If you think about it in film terms, it's like the concept is the script.
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You can't have a good movie without a good script.
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I mean, yes, you need actors, sets... All those things need to work and they'll always be done,
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but without a really good script, everything else doesn't work.
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And the concept is basically that version when you are creating art,
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especially something as complicated as a spaceship...
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Chris O: You'd say concept is like a two-tier thing where you're trying to sell an overall look and feel,
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and get a sort of an emotional reaction of the ship,
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and then you want to be able to call out specific areas to where you know it -
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can be built in 3D accurately.
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It's trying to communicate a few different things, and it's not easy to do all that in one image.
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Except he can do it.
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Chris R: But even when David was doing the Mustang, which everyone saw last episode,
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you could see there was a couple of different tries, and you say this one looks a bit too -
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the engines are too big, it looks too racery, let's move it to this.
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Chris O: It's an evolutionary...
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Chris R: And that's what you do in the concept stages, because you can explore things quickly,
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and like Chris says, there's an emotional reaction that you'll have.
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Like, you've got an idea - someone says "gunship" and you think of something.
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If the picture on the page evokes that feeling to you, then you're on the right track,
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and then, like Chris says, the next stage is...
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You have to work out some of the details, because you want to work out the details of, like,
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how you get into things or where the engines are, or whatever, before you actually start modeling it,
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because modeling takes a long time.
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Sandi: Everybody remembers the specs, right, for the mercenary gunship?
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David: Can you repeat them for us real quick?
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Sandi: Yes, let me just recite them for you.
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Chris R: So, we gave all 16 teams the same sort of bid from the UEE,
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which was very specific in terms of engines and turrets, and functionality.
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One thing we left open was what the manufacturer was going to be,
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to allow them to add a little creative inspiration.
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They could decide they want to make it an RSI gun or they want to make it an Anvil Aerospace gunship,
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and then also hopefully infuse some of the design elements we've seen from those manufacturers -
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in our other ships into their gunship design, which I think would be really great.
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But let's see how it goes.
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Sandi: Alright, guys, so here's how it works.
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Today we're going to see six teams, but only four can go through.
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So you're going to be voting, and two aren't going to make it.
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So there's a lot at stake. Are you guys ready to see the videos?
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Chris R: Yep! Chris S: Let's do it. Mark: Can't wait.
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Sandi: Let's roll the first one.
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Chris R: Everyone's going: "too much talking from them people on the couches..."
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3Dingo: For us the mercenary gunship is a ship that covers different roles.
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It is at the forefront to give infantry support.
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It must be robust but also livable with the great firepower.
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This ship generally has low maneuverability, but the military level will follow the general linear attacks.
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Let's say that our ship is a part of the third phase.
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We're there to bombard the enemy infantry to cover the allied infantry with landings.
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Following that, we created the interior to highlight the multi-functionality of this ship.
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The main goal was to create a ship that does not give the idea of speed, but of strength.
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Sandi: Chris Olivia, do you want to kick that off?
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Chris O: Me?
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Sandi: Yeah, you.
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Chris O: I liked the feel, and the silhouette was really cool.
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I thought that profile in the top-down looked really nice.
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Beefy, powerful.
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He explored a lot of different things, as far as the interior, in a lot of detail.
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He had a lot of concept that was very helpful.
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I think the front part of the cockpit was a little bit boring and can use some work.
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But overall - I liked it. I mean it's cool.
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Sandi: David, do you want to jump in there?
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David: Well, I thought it was interesting.
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I do feel like I would want to come in and tweak some of the proportions,
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especially in the top view I found that it felt directionless.
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It could be either going backwards or forwards and it was completely symmetrical.
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I think I would want to make one of those wing frames smaller versus the other.
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And the same thing in the side profile. I found that it was a little even,
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and so I might want to distribute the mass around to make it a little more dynamic.
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The only other thing I would mention would be the connection points between the major components.
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I think I might want to spend some more time on that,
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and make sure that each of the parts are informing each other and working with each other.
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It felt a little bolted together.
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Chris S: I like the front part, actually.
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The language of the wing and the front part, and the rear felt a little off for me.
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Mark: Detached, yeah.
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Chris S: I think, yeah, that's what you meant -
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like that middle connection was maybe a little too fragile looking or something.
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I do like the detail that they put in. Sort of, where the thrusters go, the pilots, and the interior design.
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There was some thought put into that, which I liked.
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But I thought, too, what you were saying, all the appendages were going in all kinds of different ways.
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Like those back wings...
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David: Yeah, it's what's interesting about it.
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Chris S: Yeah, but... You know, well...
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Chris O: You're wrong. Mark: You're wrong!
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David: I think that's interesting. I just think that one of those needs to serve the other. One needs to be...
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Chris S: Yeah, those wings that kind of were on the sides - I like those.
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I like that. But the whole rear part didn't gel with me, with the front.
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Chris O: So did you feel it was just all too much of the same?
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David: No. In particular from the top silhouette,
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I felt it was two arrows that were pointing in either direction.
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Chris R: I didn't love it... I liked what those guys did with their gun.
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It didn't really do much for me.
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I like the fact that they were thinking out where things would go and all the rest of the stuff,
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but in terms of shape and silhouette - ehh, it was kind of there.
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Then also the rendering style of the concept art wasn't...
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Chris S: Yeah, it was a bit juvenile.
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Chris R: Like, I'd prefer a more sophisticated photorealistic style.
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This felt more, I don't know, cartoony, graphic novelly style for me.
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But I don't know. What did you think, Mark?
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Mark: I could see the marine animal vibe... Kind of felt like a manatee to me.
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It felt like a sea cow. I shall name it the sea cow.
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The thing about it was... I think if you're going to go that spikey with the silhouette,
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that honestly your rendering style has got to calm down in the interior bits, because it was way...
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There was just too much detail to look at all at once. I mean, I liked the...
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Chris R: Is this your frequency tip?
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Mark: Yes. Dammit. I say this every time, but if you're going to crazy frequency like that,
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then either smooth out the silhouette and concentrate on frequency inside the object,
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or if you're going to go that detailed spikey with the silhouette,
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then it would push the concept better if you just calm down the interior a little bit to give your eye a rest.
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Because it's got plenty to look at.
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Chris O: What do you mean "interior"? Like the interior of the silhouette?
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Mark: The interior of the silhouette of the ship.
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It's not bad.
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I agree with David that it feels like the front part is kind of separated; it doesn't feel like it flows.
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There needs to be more pieces that flow into each other better.
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David: I think also the illustrative style delineating all the panels is not helping.
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Like you said, the silhouette is already dynamic. It's going to move the eye around.
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But then as you go inside, you go to move from the front to the back,
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then you have all these panels that blocking eye movement.
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Chris R: When they were in - I don't know what 3D application, I didn't see it,
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but when they had the simple silhouette in the 3D application,
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that looked better to me than the 2D concept rendering.
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Chris O: That's where you can blow it with just too much of a cartoony style in the concept,
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or calling out too many details.
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Chris S: In the interior?
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Chris O: Yeah, the interior.
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Chris R: For our game. In some other stuff that could work, but for the style we're going for -
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we're going for a very photorealistic style,
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and so that's partly important to have it in the concept stage, or else,
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when you get down to the model stage, the model feels a bit cartoony.
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Sandi: Mixed reviews on this one. Let's roll the next one.
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EPhalanx: Hey, guys. EPhalanx here with team Tri-Tri.
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This is our entry for The Next Great Starship.
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We started out with like four or five concepts and narrowed it down.
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We really were thinking on this one, at first, it was a heavy fighter look, a little bit, outside the gunship.
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Then we moved on to this one, which we thought had more of that aggressive stance.
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And also made some thrusters we thought we'd use.
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More sketching of the concept just to give us a better look from different angles.
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And then some thruster work just showing you how the wings articulate with the thrusters.
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That was going to be important considering the gimbaled thrusters that were outlined in the concept.
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Then we moved on to a little block-out phase to give us a better thought on the geometry,
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and moved in to some internal layouts.
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This showed you just how things are laid out inside of the ship, with the turrets and stairs.
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As you can see, the design has been a little more fleshed out this time around.
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The paint-over has been added to, giving you more of a better look and feel of the ship overall.
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Sandi: Mark, do you want to kick this one off?
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Mark: That one was pretty awesome. I like that one.
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I like the silhouette, how it has kind of an aggressive stance.
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It almost looks like a gorilla flexing, silverback kind of feel to it. I dig that.
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The details - very nice.
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Again, I like the way... Like we were talking earlier about flow.
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That's a good example of how you can have a lot of detail on the ship but they flow nicely together,
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so you're not breaking your eye from going across the ship. I think there was a lot of nice detail in there.
0:17:44.348,0:17:48.991
And overall, I think it's a really strong design.
0:17:48.991,0:17:50.174
Sandi: Chris, what did you think?
0:17:50.174,0:17:53.304
Chris S: Yeah. The quality of the concept was better on this one,
0:17:53.304,0:17:57.674
so it already comes across better in that way.
0:17:57.674,0:18:02.922
I like the shape. Actually, that stance reminded me of the Vanduul ship.
0:18:02.922,0:18:07.216
That kind of has a cockpit in the middle with those two arms sticking out.
0:18:07.216,0:18:13.221
It did look powerful and heavy. I quite like the design, I agree with Chris.
0:18:13.221,0:18:20.175
Maybe the rear thrusters... We'd have to look at it some more, maybe in another iteration,
0:18:20.175,0:18:22.669
and see where the other maneuvering thrusters are.
0:18:22.669,0:18:26.675
There was a couple of detail specs that were maybe not included in that.
0:18:26.675,0:18:30.064
But overall, the art style, I thought, was pretty good.
0:18:30.618,0:18:31.597
Sandi: Chris?
0:18:31.597,0:18:32.628
Chris O: It was cool.
0:18:33.012,0:18:33.938
Sandi: That's it?
0:18:34.938,0:18:37.587
Chris O: I generally agree with everybody.
0:18:37.587,0:18:42.604
I do like the front arm parts.
0:18:42.604,0:18:43.850
Chris R: Everyone likes that except for me.
0:18:43.850,0:18:50.672
I think it may be just because it reminds me way too much of the old Wing Commander Dralthi stuff...
0:18:50.672,0:18:55.593
Chris O: It might take away from the fact that it feels less powerful thrust wise,
0:18:55.593,0:18:59.426
because it's putting all the focus on the front.
0:18:59.426,0:19:01.390
Mark: That's what's making it feel heavier.
0:19:01.390,0:19:06.362
Like you're saying, it's kind of front heavy, and that's because your eye just goes straight to those wings...
0:19:06.362,0:19:08.514
Chris S: Yeah, it feels like a bulldog.
0:19:09.160,0:19:15.864
It's got the tail end diminished and the front exaggerated...
0:19:17.219,0:19:18.674
Chris O: Gorilla, I thought you said...?
0:19:18.674,0:19:20.160
Mark: Yeah. Silverback.
0:19:20.160,0:19:22.725
Chris S: Silverback, yeah.
0:19:22.725,0:19:26.016
Chris O: It was nice. The rendering style was better.
0:19:26.016,0:19:32.012
I think in the design phase a lot of stuff doesn't need to be photoreal right off the bat,
0:19:32.012,0:19:35.068
because you're still exploring pieces and shapes...
0:19:35.068,0:19:37.574
Chris R: But I like, like... You could see when he went...
0:19:37.574,0:19:42.381
In the video, they go over the process, you could actually see what the concept process is.
0:19:42.381,0:19:47.776
They drew some stuff out, then they did a simple 3D block-out, then they did paint-overs on it.
0:19:47.776,0:19:52.226
That was actually quite nice, because that was showing what you normally do in that process.
0:19:52.226,0:19:55.843
David: The blue color erase pencil iterations and dissolving surfaces...
0:19:55.843,0:19:59.662
Chris O: And you should reference, which is key to bring it in the real world.
0:19:59.662,0:20:02.095
But yeah, overall that was cool.
0:20:02.095,0:20:03.845
Sandi: Alright, what did you think, David?
0:20:03.845,0:20:11.422
David: I really like this one. I thought it was fantastic presentation. Pretty professional all around.
0:20:11.422,0:20:14.258
I like the arms, too.
0:20:14.258,0:20:16.193
Chris R: I give up. I'm in a minority.
0:20:16.193,0:20:25.815
David: But I will say this: I do think the rear thruster pods, the ones that are gimbaled and articulate,
0:20:25.815,0:20:31.457
I feel like they weren't really long enough to balance the length of the front part.
0:20:31.457,0:20:37.454
And I think that if you were to just figure out a way to lengthen them...
0:20:37.454,0:20:39.231
Sandi: So Chris, what did you think?
0:20:39.231,0:20:42.600
Chris R: I really liked it. I thought the rendering style was really good.
0:20:42.600,0:20:47.899
I also liked the way that you could see the process of the concept evolution.
0:20:47.899,0:20:53.283
A lot of it was the initial sketching, then a block out in 3D, then doing paint overs.
0:20:53.283,0:20:56.583
That's very much what you tend to do on this kind of stuff.
0:20:56.583,0:21:02.261
I'm not so sure I was in love with the two big front wings.
0:21:02.261,0:21:07.916
It felt a little too front heavy for me, but the rest of it I quite liked.
0:21:07.916,0:21:10.520
But I thought in general it was cool.
0:21:10.520,0:21:18.366
Like I said the style was more functional and slightly more detailed and photorealistic for me, so it worked better.
0:21:18.366,0:21:25.937
I think we forgot to tell everyone that the need to pick a manufacturer, but for me this one felt very Drake-like to me.
0:21:25.937,0:21:32.221
The turret on the top felt like the Cutlass, so perhaps is a Drake submission for the gunship bid.
0:21:32.221,0:21:38.951
But yeah, I thought it looks really great. It would be nice to see what sort of changes and tweaks they make.
0:21:38.951,0:21:42.983
Sandi: Alright, well generally well liked. Let's roll the next one.
0:21:52.120,0:21:55.184
Fuzzy_Modem: Greetings Citizens, Fuzzy Modem here, passed the first gauntlet,
0:21:55.184,0:21:58.410
and onto the concept phase of The Next Great Starship competition.
0:21:58.410,0:22:03.183
For this design, I'm imagining that it's a used ship. You're buying it from these three mercenaries.
0:22:03.183,0:22:07.810
There's the captain, he's an alcoholic vet who has a grudge against pirates.
0:22:07.810,0:22:11.790
There's a crazy guy who couldn't get into the military because he couldn't get past the psych evaluation.
0:22:11.790,0:22:14.517
And then there's the technician who got kicked out of the military for
0:22:14.517,0:22:17.268
hacking into his drill instructor's file and changing his gender.
0:22:17.268,0:22:22.686
So these guys have been living and working and sleeping and sweating and eating on this ship for years.
0:22:22.686,0:22:26.902
When something broke, they patched over it or jerry rigged a work around.
0:22:26.902,0:22:29.804
Now they're looking to get a bigger ship and add some more crew.
0:22:29.804,0:22:35.603
So you can get this ship at a good price if you accept that it's kind of a fixer upper and you're buying it as is.
0:22:35.603,0:22:39.885
For the design itself, I took inspiration from a sword and shield.
0:22:39.885,0:22:43.935
It's an asymmetrical design with a big plate of armor and two turrets on one side.
0:22:43.935,0:22:50.230
Because it's an asymmetrical design, I'm working on visual balance as well as center of mass.
0:22:50.230,0:22:55.808
I'm also trying to position thrusters for improved roll speed as well as VTOL capability while in atmosphere.
0:22:55.808,0:22:58.300
So it would fly more like a helicopter than a jet.
0:22:59.592,0:23:01.767
Sandi: Alright David, you want to kick this one off?
0:23:01.767,0:23:09.399
David: Well, I really liked the colorful back-story, and actually the design story.
0:23:09.399,0:23:17.512
Starting with the shield and sword concept, then trying to bring that through into the design.
0:23:17.512,0:23:22.237
Also his thoughtfulness when it came to function and utility of the vehicle.
0:23:22.237,0:23:29.152
I liked the second design better, I felt it was a little more unified.
0:23:29.152,0:23:36.822
For me what's jumping out as a negative is really the surfacing, the form language is a little too rectilinear.
0:23:36.822,0:23:45.820
I get that it may speak to survivability and being robust, but that said,
0:23:45.820,0:23:50.175
I feel like parts need to be integrated a little more, a little more designed.
0:23:50.175,0:23:57.147
The large bolts were really speaking to an earlier construction period that doesn't fit into
0:23:57.147,0:24:00.235
this universe and is also throwing the scale off for me.
0:24:00.235,0:24:07.979
So I would refine the surfaces, but ultimately I think he's balancing the asymmetric design pretty well.
0:24:07.979,0:24:09.486
Especially in the second one.
0:24:09.486,0:24:11.905
Sandi: Alright, Chris, what do you think.
0:24:11.905,0:24:16.210
Chris O: Yeah, I uh... Pretty much everything David said.
0:24:16.210,0:24:17.279
[Laughing]
0:24:17.279,0:24:19.640
Chris O: It was a great build up.
0:24:19.640,0:24:21.570
Sandi: You guys hug a little bit, it's like love.
0:24:21.570,0:24:22.777
[Laughing]
0:24:22.777,0:24:24.508
What David said.
0:24:24.724,0:24:26.204
Mark: Copying off his paper are we?
0:24:26.204,0:24:28.391
Chris O: The back-story was awesome.
0:24:28.391,0:24:34.399
It was a nice build up, but then the first version was very ugly, but not in a good way.
0:24:34.399,0:24:39.039
He made some big improvements with the second version,
0:24:39.039,0:24:45.983
but there's a lot of little pieces all over the place that just seemed tacked on, you didn't know what they were for.
0:24:45.983,0:24:51.820
Obviously the bolts and the scale was a huge issue, they're just all over the place, too big.
0:24:51.820,0:24:58.393
And the fact that he was presenting it with a lot of black shadow everywhere,
0:24:58.393,0:25:01.662
you couldn't really get a sense of overall form.
0:25:01.662,0:25:08.038
I think he needs to display and show it on a nicer render or a few different views at least.
0:25:08.038,0:25:14.785
It was an interesting concept, the way he was describing the shield on one side and the weapon on the other.
0:25:14.785,0:25:23.885
I thought it just needs to be executed better, you know, taken a little further, try some different things.
0:25:23.885,0:25:29.927
Sandi: Chris, are you going to copy off of Chris and David, or have you got some of your own thoughts?
0:25:29.927,0:25:33.471
Chris R: [Laughs] I have no thoughts of my own.
0:25:33.471,0:25:37.786
Chris S: [Laughs] I mean yeah, I agree with some of the stuff that they said obviously.
0:25:37.786,0:25:42.282
The one thing I missed was the thruster placements.
0:25:42.282,0:25:48.202
It was not very fleshed out, and some of the interior crew design stuff was not there.
0:25:48.202,0:25:54.181
Just a lot of the hardware stuff wasn't really fully rendered out.
0:25:54.181,0:25:57.989
The first design, I didn't really like that much.
0:25:57.989,0:26:02.950
The weapon was bubbly looking and the surface was lacking.
0:26:02.950,0:26:07.879
David: It also looked like the gun pod, towards the narrow end of the wing--
0:26:07.879,0:26:08.891
Chris S: Very fragile.
0:26:08.891,0:26:10.949
David: Yeah, like it would snap right off.
0:26:10.949,0:26:15.996
Chris S: So yeah, the second design is definitely better, more cohesive, and a little bit more tougher looking.
0:26:15.996,0:26:19.285
I agree the surfacing could use some work.
0:26:19.285,0:26:26.288
Even though he describes it's supposed to be patched together, you can do that in a better way.
0:26:26.288,0:26:32.315
It was just not rendered very well I thought. And presentation is a big thing, so it carries a lot.
0:26:32.315,0:26:34.309
Sandi: Mark, presentation?
0:26:34.309,0:26:38.848
Mark: Yeah, the presentation for me wasn't super great.
0:26:38.848,0:26:45.488
It felt because the bolts were so big, it made it feel super small. So it felt like a matchbox car or something.
0:26:45.488,0:26:56.903
It was hard to tell what was what. Like where are the thrusters, where does the pilot sit, where are the...
0:26:56.903,0:27:06.158
Like it looked like a bunch of random boxes on a ruler or something, with a little weight on the end of it.
0:27:06.158,0:27:14.036
It didn't flow very well as far as to tell me, visually, what I'm looking at, and that kind of ruined it for me.
0:27:14.036,0:27:15.116
Sandi: Chris Roberts?
0:27:15.116,0:27:19.256
Chris R: The story was great, maybe we should talk to him about getting on the writing team.
0:27:19.256,0:27:25.732
It felt like a very Serenity/Firefly background story.
0:27:25.732,0:27:28.841
But generally I sort of agree on a couple of things.
0:27:28.841,0:27:37.533
One, it does feel like a horizontal B-Wing from Star Wars, that's the ship that's the tall vertical one.
0:27:37.533,0:27:43.207
And the second design I definitely liked a lot better than the first design.
0:27:43.207,0:27:49.891
But even on the second design, I would look at that and go "ok, well how are the thrusters placed?"
0:27:49.891,0:27:54.435
Because he was talking about how you can roll to put the shield in front of your attacker,
0:27:54.435,0:27:57.539
but are the attackers coming from the side? Are they coming from the front?
0:27:57.539,0:28:02.287
It felt to me like that whole concept sounded really great in the pitch,
0:28:02.287,0:28:06.039
but I was looking at the ship wondering how it's really going to do that.
0:28:06.039,0:28:12.013
Where are the thrusters that would allow it to roll, where are the thrusters that would allow it to yaw and pitch.
0:28:12.013,0:28:18.455
As far as the manned turrets, they didn't look very...
0:28:18.455,0:28:23.624
Like how do you get into those how do you sit in them? It's hard to get a sense of scale.
0:28:23.624,0:28:24.987
Chris S: Sort of stuck on there.
0:28:24.987,0:28:28.622
Chris R: Partly because probably, talking about the rivets and the bolts.
0:28:28.622,0:28:32.788
So yeah, I would have liked to see more angles of it, not just that.
0:28:32.788,0:28:36.236
It would have been better to go to the concept and do a block out,
0:28:36.236,0:28:41.404
then render some different versions of that and do paint overs, and get some sense of scale like Chris is suggesting,
0:28:41.404,0:28:46.852
with like a human figure in there. How do you get inside the ship? How does it land?
0:28:46.852,0:28:51.651
All those things have to be thought out before you go to the modeling stage.
0:28:51.651,0:28:57.202
I think maybe he's stronger on the 3D modeling side, because he's a one man show,
0:28:57.202,0:29:01.621
so maybe he's stronger on modeling than concept. But those are all things I would like to see answered.
0:29:01.621,0:29:06.281
I like the idea and the concept of the shield and the sword, so that all sounded great.
0:29:06.281,0:29:11.099
It's just looking at the ship, I wasn't saying "I want to own that spaceship."
0:29:11.099,0:29:16.082
And really, that's why we're designing it. We're designing a spaceship that everyone out there in Star Citizen
0:29:16.082,0:29:26.081
will go "I want to have that sitting in my hangar," and I'm looking at that thinking it's not doing it for me unfortunately.
0:29:26.081,0:29:31.349
Sandi: Ok, well, people seem to like the second version, but still quite a few questions unanswered.
0:29:31.349,0:29:32.625
Let's roll the next one.
0:29:36.163,0:29:40.596
Jan: This is 1Bit Amoeba, and I show you my concept for the mercenary gunship.
0:29:40.596,0:29:46.098
The first thing I did was to think about where to place the turrets on the ship.
0:29:46.098,0:29:51.549
I decided to put two on the top and one on the bottom in the front.
0:29:51.549,0:29:58.151
This way we have a very good coverage and nearly no dead spots around the ship.
0:29:58.151,0:30:06.017
In addition to that, we have some areas which are covered by two or all three turrets.
0:30:06.017,0:30:19.644
The green area here is where two turrets cover, and the red one is where all three turrets can shoot at the target.
0:30:19.644,0:30:24.649
Then I got the shape which I really like, this one.
0:30:30.094,0:30:33.406
The interior, I made a rough layout with the main areas.
0:30:33.406,0:30:35.748
For example, the crew area and the cargo hold.
0:30:42.394,0:30:46.742
Here you can see the ship again from the side view, top view, and the front.
0:30:48.649,0:30:52.245
And this is how it would look like while landing.
0:30:56.459,0:30:58.741
And another one while in space.
0:30:58.741,0:31:00.911
Thanks for watching.
0:31:00.911,0:31:03.160
Sandi: Alright, Chris Smith, what did you think of that one?
0:31:03.160,0:31:07.475
Chris S: So I actually like this one quit a bit, uh...
0:31:07.475,0:31:09.016
Chris R: That's surprising to you?
0:31:09.016,0:31:09.996
[Laughing]
0:31:09.996,0:31:13.596
Chris S: No, I mean I thought he had some good iterations.
0:31:13.596,0:31:19.362
I liked the idea of the coverage of the turrets, that was kind of cool.
0:31:19.362,0:31:25.843
And he thought about weaponizing it and making it powerful that way.
0:31:25.843,0:31:33.513
The first iteration, he went through a couple and I liked it better as it went on, when it went a little wider with the wings.
0:31:33.513,0:31:44.866
It was a cool design, the one thing I would say critique wise would be, animations would help.
0:31:44.866,0:31:48.513
You know, some preview animations on the thrusters. It was hard to tell how they would work.
0:31:48.513,0:31:53.303
The whole pitch and yaw thing, how it would actually work in space.
0:31:53.303,0:32:02.121
I liked the interior, he pulled out the interiors and had specific areas, I liked that.
0:32:02.121,0:32:12.730
I didn't like, from the top view, for a design standpoint had a weird snake-like cockpit with a head.
0:32:12.730,0:32:17.024
I probably would adjust that a little bit because it makes it look a little fragile.
0:32:17.024,0:32:22.136
In that area it's just this long, skinny neck, with the cockpit on the end.
0:32:22.136,0:32:25.431
But over all everything else was pretty solid.
0:32:25.431,0:32:27.790
Sandi: Chris, do you agree?
0:32:27.790,0:32:32.042
Chris O: It's interesting the way that it over all feels like a very flat shape,
0:32:32.042,0:32:37.424
except they have the cockpit, fuselage area more of a skinny vertical.
0:32:37.424,0:32:43.980
It needs support structures holding that there in place and it would feel a bit more powerful.
0:32:43.980,0:32:49.642
I think in the next iteration, use the paint overs to push it a little further.
0:32:49.642,0:33:01.514
But the fact that he was able to achieve something really nice with just basic flat shading and very angular shapes,
0:33:01.514,0:33:05.386
it was very well done, done in a very nice way.
0:33:05.386,0:33:07.893
It reminded me a little bit of Ryan Church.
0:33:07.893,0:33:09.450
Chris S: Like a little stealthy.
0:33:09.450,0:33:14.455
Chris O: Very stealth, the side view, at first I was like, "Oh, it's very simple" from the profile,
0:33:14.455,0:33:18.147
but it is a nice, clean, profile silhouette.
0:33:18.147,0:33:28.479
The front view head on looked a little weird and sort of messy. I wasn't sure why, but over all it's nice and clean.
0:33:28.479,0:33:29.810
Chris S: Sort of like a wedge.
0:33:29.810,0:33:31.505
Chris O: Yeah, yeah.
0:33:31.505,0:33:33.584
Chris S: I like that kind of wide shape.
0:33:33.584,0:33:36.309
Chris O: No. Chris S: Yeah.
0:33:36.309,0:33:38.585
Sandi: David, what did you think?
0:33:38.585,0:33:47.685
David: I like this design a lot, I think it has a lot of potential, I like the tear-dropped delta wing,
0:33:47.685,0:33:58.076
but then he cut into it and extruded the cockpit section from that. I think it creates a pretty sophisticated form.
0:33:58.076,0:34:09.902
That said, when it comes to some of the cockpit and volume break up of the cannons and the front cockpit,
0:34:09.902,0:34:12.709
it seemed to be lacking in sophistication.
0:34:12.709,0:34:19.512
So if I were him, I would go back and bring those things up to the level of sophistication of the main shape.
0:34:19.512,0:34:25.194
The only other critique I would have would be when it was landed,
0:34:25.194,0:34:30.742
It wasn't quite as sexy looking as it was in flight mode.
0:34:30.742,0:34:39.767
Mark: Yeah, I agree. I think what it was is the verticallity of the thrusters kind of ruined the lines of the ship.
0:34:39.767,0:34:41.138
Chris S: Is that a word?
0:34:41.138,0:34:43.419
Chris R: Add that to "frequency," verticallity.
0:34:43.419,0:34:48.993
Mark: [Moving hands up and down] Verticality, [Hands side to side] frequency, [Hands forward] thrusters, you know.
0:34:48.993,0:34:52.905
It kind of ruined the lines when it was sitting, and that bothered me too.
0:34:52.905,0:34:55.118
Chris R: You mean when they were deployed into VTOL position?
0:34:55.118,0:34:56.243
Mark: VTOL, yeah.
0:34:56.243,0:34:57.451
Chris R: Vertical Take Off and Landing.
0:34:57.451,0:34:59.246
Mark: That's right, that's what that stands for.
0:34:59.246,0:35:00.854
[Laughing]
0:35:00.854,0:35:06.695
Mark: So, the other thing, yes, the neck is annoying because it's so fragile.
0:35:06.695,0:35:17.135
I think if you were to have, maybe from the top down, if you had some supports that came out and made it porous,
0:35:17.135,0:35:20.946
it might make it look a little more reinforced.
0:35:20.946,0:35:26.416
Chris R: I don't think it needs to be quite as long and deep. I mean what's the benefit of that?
0:35:26.416,0:35:28.362
Chris O: I didn't see the reason why there was that gap. David: Yeah.
0:35:28.362,0:35:30.121
Chris R: I mean usually there should be some function.
0:35:30.121,0:35:31.174
Chris S: Just fill it in.
0:35:31.174,0:35:32.524
Chris R: It had a bit of of--
0:35:32.524,0:35:34.100
Chris S: Wide flat snake?
0:35:34.100,0:35:38.469
Chris R: Retaliator kind of vibe to me, like I would say it could be an Aegis ship or...
0:35:38.469,0:35:41.209
Chris S: Even Drake.
0:35:41.209,0:35:48.423
Chris R: I'll say for me this is my favorite one of the ones I've seen so far, so, like Chris said,
0:35:48.423,0:35:57.492
I really like the idea of gun turret placement. If you're making a gunship, that's the first thing you should think about.
0:35:57.492,0:36:05.503
So that was really good. I actually, for a couple of the earlier iteration, one that was sort of like the Millennium Falcon.
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That had the two turrets actually attached on the side, so I like the final design a lot.
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I agree on the neck, it sort of feels like it's a bit too long, so I would have it shorter and make some reason.
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Some detail could be in there, it could be cool.
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I actually thought it was cool when it was landing with the thrusters down in the VTOL position.
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So that may just be me verses other people's opinions on that.
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Mark: Maybe a little smaller.
0:36:37.532,0:36:44.090
Chris R: Like Chris said, I would like again to make sure the thrusters could move and apply the directions.
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It looked like he placed them in generally the right areas, so I really liked it.
0:36:47.139,0:36:54.717
Chris S: I think for the second iteration, maybe the guys can include little preview animations on those things.
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Really simple key-framing block out animations on those things would help a lot.
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David: Basically if you have a great idea, you have to show it. You can't just tell us about it.
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It has to be communicated in an illustration or an animation.
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Sandi: Well positive reviews for that one, but we're not done yet. Here we go with the next video.
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Scott: Hello Star Citizen Community. Our design process involves the members of team catapult getting together,
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sitting down, throwing ideas onto a sketch pad, talking about various features we wanted.
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We wanted the mission profile to be able to involve things such as land marines on a planet's surface,
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and function like an armored truck in space.
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As those discussions came to a head, we decided we wanted to go with something that was
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aerodynamically sleek, and avoided the sci-fi pitfall that most "dropships" use of the "flying brick."
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We came up with the idea to use retractable wings that could help with aerodynamic control going into
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the atmosphere and also be pulled in during combat to provide a lower profile target.
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Now I present to you: Anvil Aerospace's Albatross, the mercenary gunship from team Catapult.
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Then what we did is we printed off some renders that we could then sketch on in paper so we could share our ideas.
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As we go forward, we'll be adding more and more details to the overall design.
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As you can see with this image here, we're in our closed mode, and this would be for interstellar travel,
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providing a smaller target and keeping sensitive parts of the wing out of the way.
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And this is again the top down view of it opened up.
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So you can see that when they're coming into an atmosphere the pilot would pull up,
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deploy the wings, and that would provide a huge breaking surface.
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So the engines we wanted to go with something similar to how the F-35 Lockheed Martin works where the engine can
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turn 90 degrees, and in our case we could rotate the engine so you can get some more range so they act as thrusters.
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And this is its landed view. As you can see here, we've got the cockpit access as well as the missile racks deployed.
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This is an interior cross-section of our ship.
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We wanted to go with a two level split design. It would be very compressed and compact.
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This is Scott from team Catapult signing off, see you in the 'verse.
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Sandi: Chris O, what did you think?
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Chris O: I can't really comment on it, 'cause it just, it's... Everything is so not finished and amateurish.
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So I wasn't happy... Moving on.
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Sandi: Ok.
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[Laughing]
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Mark: That's very diplomatic of you.
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Sandi: Ok, David Hobbins.
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David: I feel like there's nothing really pulling me into this design. There's nothing , it's...
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Mark: Come on.
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Chris S: Just say it.
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[Laughing]
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David: I feel like the overall shape could be cool, could be workable, it's interesting to see the thought going into
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some function, utility, layout of the interior.
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That said, a lot of the sketching over the 3D model renderings was...
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Chris S: Drawn by a three year-old?
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David: Was lacking.
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[Laughing]
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David: So I would go back, continue to work that 3D block in, maybe try to get a little more visual interest going there,
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and then take another pass at the surfacing and internal graphics of the ship.
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Chris O:I think it took away from it how loose the sketching was, even if they had used a
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ruler to do some of the lines it would have helped. Sorry, I don't mean to keep...
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Chris S:There was a lot of problems with that concept, first of all the sketches were very
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rudimentary and amateurish. Like David was saying, there was no confidence in the line art
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even though we are making 3D assets it helps to be able to draw and present things, right?
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You need to be able to present things correctly, and there was his problem. Even though he put a lot
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of thought into things where thruster placements were and loading, docking collars, stuff like that
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it was just hard to tell what was going on because the drawings were not very good at all.
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The 3D shape maybe had some promise, but overall I thought this was pretty weak.
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Sandi:Chris Roberts?
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Chris R:Hmm. Well I will remind everyone that I voted for AEM over team Catapult ....CS:I did too...
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Chris did too, because I thought the AEM design was much more interesting.
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Mark:So the rest of us are fired? (laughter)
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Chris R:I thought team Catapult's design was not particularly inspiring, therefore I'm kind of
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angry about that, then angry about seeing a concept design that feels like it was "phoned in" or
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done over a very short period of time.
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Chris O:There's no reason to be angry, this is all for fun...
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Chris R:And not presented well? No! because I feel like you should take it seriously, you got
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this far right? There is a bunch of people that wanted to get this far, that worked really hard to get
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this far, there were some on the cusp, that you could flip a coin, we even had some people that,
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after we had all voted, emailed asking why they never even made the cut into the 24?
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Well it turned out that they were number 26 or number 25, and they were literally, when we were making
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our picks they had 4 of us saying they would be a good one to put in, but they just ended up just missing
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the cut, so I feel like, if you get to this stage you can't phone it in, and this is absolutely phoning it in.
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Maybe they are not great on 2D work, not great on concept, because when we saw Catapult
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it was mostly more sort of 3D work that we saw, but if you are going to do that, do what 1bitAmoeba did
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which was concepting in 3D and block it out. The little bit of 3D blockout in that was the best thing about it
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The detail and line work on top was not going to help. There is no way it's going to have any chance
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of going through. I can promise you that, we the ten to go through from the 16, and they are not
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going to make the ten, that's just not going to happen ...Sandi:Twelve... or the 12, whatever it will be
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It's 10 we vote for and the community saves 2. The point is that it feels like it was phoned in and
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that kind of bugs me. If you get this far, why drop the ball.
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Chris O:Can we get them on the phone right now? (laughs)
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Chris R:I would! If someone was working for me and did that I would chew them out.
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I'm not happy, and I'm not voting for them.
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Chris O:You can curse it you want to. (laughs) Chris S: they will bleep it out.
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Sandi:Mark Skelton?
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Mark:I loved it. (laughter) I thought it was fantastic for a second grader.
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Well, it's got a Romulan Bird of Prey feel, I will say that for the block out, but how can you argue
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with the implementation. It's not good.
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Chris R:They have got the talent, that's why I'm sort of angry, you got talent, deliver it!
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Mark:They just ruined their chance. They ruined the chance, and that's a bummer because
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you have to take this seriously, there's a lot at stake here. We take everything we do here seriously
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we have the top people in the world working on this, and there's hundreds of people who would
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die for this chance. Chris S:Yeah, they wasted it for someone else.
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Mark:They wasted it. That's a bummer.
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Sandi:Right. Here's the last video of the day.
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Greetings once again fellow citizens, this it Skyguard Fabrications, and I'm honored and excited to
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have been selected to compete in this competition.
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I spent a lot of time doing nothing but silhouettes, I did a LOT of them.
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I was looking for a silhouette that resonated with me, and the challenge was to come up with an
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overall design that would fit in with the current military ships, but that could also be identified at a glance
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as an independant, unique design.
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I'm proud to present the Guardian AX-1. The core of my design centred around the idea of
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being able to deploy Marines into combat as quickly and safely as possible.
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You'll notice that the mercenary gunship has two large hatches on either side with built-in rapelling systems
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This is to allow Marines to deploy from the ship without forcing the ship to land.
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Because of where the turrets are placed, the main class 4 and one class 5 turrets are able
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to provide ground support to the Marines either during deployment or throughout the ground operation
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It would be very difficult to sneak up on this ship. You have almost no location around this ship that is not
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possible for this mercenary ship cannot shoot back at you.
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Sandi:Alright. Mark, silhouettes? Frequencies?
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Mark:Silhouette, silhouette, silhouette. Awsome. I loved the silhouettes that he explored
0:46:14.216,0:46:19.741
a lot of those were great, he could have used quite a few of those. I think the one he picked was good
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I would say that, there was a lot like, the top is very clean, and ah, the underside has a lot of
0:46:31.028,0:46:37.051
detail in it, and because of all that detail and the bulkiness of the bottom, that the wings felt
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a little small. A big fat bird with little wings. When they fold out they look better, but he needs,
0:46:45.526,0:46:51.876
for me personally, to re-think the wings a little bit and make them proportionate.
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I realise that it's a spaceship, and wings don't really matter in space, but just weighting-wise....
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Chris R:The specs say it also has to be capable of atmospheric flight.
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Chris O:See those guys rapelling out?
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Mark:Yeah, I know, If you have enough thruster then you can have a UFO saucer if you want,
0:47:14.916,0:47:24.125
but for me the wings felt too small to handle this big ship. I do like the underbelly, I like the way the
0:47:24.125,0:47:32.217
detail works. I like that the top in clean, kinda like a turtle from the top? You don't realise what you
0:47:32.217,0:47:35.399
are dealing with. Chris O:What about the wings?
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Mark:(sigh)I think I'm going to kick you in the face about the wings.
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Sandi:What do you think about the wings Chris?
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Chris O:Oh, you're going to me now?
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Mark:YEAH! What do YOU think about the wings Chris?
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Chris O:Well, I completely agree, for the most part, with Mr. Skelton. Mark:(whisper) What?
0:47:51.446,0:47:53.373
Chris R:Even on the wings?
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Chris O:About everything. Mark:But the WINGS though! We are talking about WINGS!
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Chris S:He always disagree with me...
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Chris O:No, overall I felt it was too sleek and "Fightery" looking actually. I think there
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could be something done differently with the wings without just, sort of, standard, swept back, wings
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I think even though the rendering style was a bit "cartoony" I think it would translate into
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"real world" pretty nicely, and there was a lot of thought put into the interior and what was
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going on. Pretty good. Thought the wings were a little too small for the ship.
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Mark:Whaaaat?
0:48:35.492,0:48:37.087
Sandi:Wings?
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David:ah wings. That was not my biggest problem, especially when the wings deployed out
0:48:44.621,0:48:51.555
I felt it was a little more balanced. I think from the profile it's drooping nose? I get that it serves a
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function, that it would get more visibility for the pilot and the gun-pod and landing gear assembly
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but with that said, I still, in profile, I felt it was a little droopy and needed to be balanced
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by something else, so I would play around there.
0:49:09.926,0:49:15.188
I like how he communicated, a lot of the ideas he had about the function and utility, people being
0:49:15.188,0:49:22.178
able to drop down and deployed on the ground. Style-wise, surfacing-wise, it could use a second pass
0:49:22.178,0:49:26.938
although I think he's headed in the right direction. I would look at more reference, more real world
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vehicles, and certain things. I remember these two intakes on the side, they felt almost cartoony
0:49:35.039,0:49:43.122
so it's important to get the size and proportion of these things correct, then it will sell the rest
0:49:43.122,0:49:47.999
of the vehicle, but otherwise a pretty good job.
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Mark:I take back what I said and I'm gonna say what he said.
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(laughter)Sandi:Aaaaaaw! ... Chris, would you like to say what he said?
0:49:55.234,0:50:02.271
Chris S:Sure, yeah, I disagree....no. (laughs) Actually I DO disagree with the wing part.
0:50:02.271,0:50:09.498
I thought the wings were cool. I looked like, well kinda like a bomber, a heavy bomber, to me rather
0:50:09.498,0:50:17.701
than a gunship perhaps? The style was cool, all the silhouettes he did were awsome. Like Mark said,
0:50:17.701,0:50:23.620
he probably could have used a few of those. The silhouette he chose I almost liked better than
0:50:23.620,0:50:30.399
the final rendering, but with the extended wings up I thought the shape was interesting and cool.
0:50:30.399,0:50:39.273
One thing on the technical side is he mentioned the main thrusters, but not the manouvring thrusters
0:50:39.273,0:50:44.284
that maybe needs fleshed out, maybe he did, but he never mentioned it.
0:50:44.284,0:50:50.278
Chris R:I was looking, I didn't see them on the front. The back thrusters he had them rotating
0:50:50.278,0:50:55.573
which was great, but you need to yaw too, make them go this way.
0:50:55.573,0:50:57.427
Chris S:He had the main ones.
0:50:57.427,0:51:01.923
Chris R:They were just that. You need them to come out this way, and then some in the front to do
0:51:01.923,0:51:04.983
the same thing. I didn't see those on the design.
0:51:04.983,0:51:09.810
I liked the approach, right, so I liked the fact it was "I'm going to make these silhouettes" and
0:51:09.810,0:51:16.313
"I'm gonna look at the silhouettes of existing military ships", so I though he really approached it
0:51:16.313,0:51:22.114
in the right way in terms of how to make this ship fit inside the universe. That though process was
0:51:22.114,0:51:28.410
really good. Like Mark said, there were a bunch of silhouettes that would have been really cool.
0:51:28.410,0:51:36.068
I tend to prefer a slightly more photo-realistic rendering style when doing the 2D side, and
0:51:36.068,0:51:41.615
his was a little cartoony, I think there were parts on the ship that came across as slightly out of
0:51:41.615,0:51:46.176
proportion. They would look great in a comic or graphic novel, but not necessarily in a more
0:51:46.176,0:51:51.598
film design stuff? Having said that I really liked the way the inside was thought out.
0:51:51.598,0:51:55.343
How you would get in, what the coverage of the turrets were, that was all good.
0:51:55.343,0:52:03.131
I felt the the front cockpit/nose area, for me, it just felt a bit small, I didn't like the shape
0:52:03.131,0:52:11.378
For me I would like to see different explorations there, maybe more visibility, more exploration.
0:52:11.378,0:52:19.027
It just sort of felt like he was attaching an Apache helicopter cockpit on the front of some big
0:52:19.027,0:52:22.961
fat thing at the back. Chris O:Was it too droopy?
0:52:22.961,0:52:26.063
Chris R:It just felt really small compared to the rest.
0:52:26.063,0:52:32.248
Chris S:You have the cockpit then all this mechanical stuff. It was really bulky underneath.
0:52:32.248,0:52:37.145
Chris R:I liked the fact that there was a concealed gun that would come out, but that front area
0:52:37.145,0:52:43.563
that could have had more substance. Thrusters I would have liked to have seen. I like the wing
0:52:43.563,0:52:49.715
configuration when tilted up, I liked it less when they were not tilted, but I did like that he had
0:52:49.715,0:52:54.782
worked the interior out, where they would store weapons and the rest of the stuff, that was good.
0:52:54.782,0:53:01.873
Generally a lot of potential, some criticisms, love to see the next iteration.
0:53:01.873,0:53:06.526
David:I wanted to add that the silhouettes were awesome, I wanted to design in all of them
0:53:06.526,0:53:12.313
(noises of agreement from all) Really creative, and it you have that stage going on then
0:53:12.313,0:53:15.531
you are well on your way to becoming a fanstastic designer.
0:53:15.531,0:53:21.797
Sandi:Alright guys. Now time for voting. get out your phones and email me your top 4 I'll tally
0:53:21.797,0:53:28.240
the votes and we will work out the 4 going through and the 2 getting cut.
0:53:28.240,0:53:33.579
I'm guessing Catapult might not make it....
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Sandi:Alright guys, I tallied the votes and it's unanimous, team Catapult....
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Mark:Is IN....(laughter)
0:53:59.703,0:54:05.346
Sandi:Will not be moving on, but with 5 votes each I can tell you that Skyguard Fabrications,
0:54:05.346,0:54:10.688
1bitAmoeba and TriTri are now officially going on to round two.
0:54:10.688,0:54:18.851
That leaves us with Cryo and 3Dingo's, it was a close vote, let's hear how that played out.
0:54:18.851,0:54:22.722
Mark:(whisper)You guys are going to shoot me.
0:54:22.722,0:54:33.656
If we can work with them and iterate a little bit I honestly think that 3Dingo have enough there
0:54:33.656,0:54:39.391
to be able to art direct them into something that's really cool.
0:54:39.391,0:54:48.154
Chris R:So you went 3Dingo. I went with Cryo because I liked the weapon that he did
0:54:48.154,0:54:55.746
and I think there is talent in 3D modelling. I felt like, even the rendering style wasn't terrible in the
0:54:55.746,0:55:02.652
concept stuff, it was just the approach that has the issues we brought up, but I thought Cryo was
0:55:02.652,0:55:10.353
trying something different where the 3Dingo one was more straight ahead "drop-ship" style
0:55:10.353,0:55:16.894
that's why I picked Cryo but, hey, I picked AEM because I thought that was more interesting
0:55:16.894,0:55:19.358
and looked what happened! (laughs)
0:55:19.358,0:55:28.758
Chris S:So I went with Cryo as well, they has a little more interest, a little more thought put into it
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and I really liked the back story of the guy too, it was interesting in that regard. I think more iteration
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on that and it could be something pertty unique.
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Sandi:Cryo for you Chris Olivia?
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Chris O:So exciting! Ahm, I went with, er, like Mark, 3Dingo.
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Sandi:Wow Mark:Nailbiter Chris R:You'd think this was staged! I don't believe it.
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Chris R:It's like the NBA finals. Why listen to the four of us, just ask David Hobbins
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(laughter)
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David:Erm.
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Chris O:Whoah, whoah, whoah (laughter)
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David:Please, go on.
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Chris O:I had a long winded explanation, 'cos these are the Italian guys right?
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Chris R:Right. Mark:Party with those guys!
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Chris O:As much as I like the guy from Alaska, and all the alcohol in that area, and I agree he had a
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unique approach and design, I just think in the end I think there is more potential with the 3Dingo ship
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Sandi:Alright, David Hobbins. All the pressure is on you. Chris O:Drumroll
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David:This for me was really close. I can make arguments either way, that said, I did end up
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going towards Cryo... (laughter) ...it was really close, but I guess the back story, the thoughtfulness
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Cryo's passion for his vehicle and the weapon in previous episodes won me over.
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Him not going with a conventional design, I liked that, and with some coaching he will have the passion
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and resilience to take this all the way.
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ChrisO:He's rolled his eyes.
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Mark:I guess I can accept that. I'm changing my vote to "I like Cryo". Unanimous!
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Sandi:So Team Catapult and 3Dingo have been cut, however, that does not mean they are out
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because there is "The Save".
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The community gets involved once again at the end of phase 1 the community will get to
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vote back in two teams.
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All the teams will get the judges feedback, they will do another pass and put out a new video
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and you guys will get to vote two teams back in.
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Next week, three more teams move on, and two more get cut.See you next Friday.
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All: Later. Take it easy. Cyas. It's been real. Oh My God!(laughter) "It's been real!"