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Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.67,0:00:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Leonardo Drew:\NWhen I get up in the morning, I know exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.84,0:00:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I'm going to be doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.84,0:00:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll be working.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.67,0:00:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what the works are actually going\Nto be about,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.72,0:00:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they find their way.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.44,0:01:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was drawing and using colored inks and things\Nlike that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.86,0:01:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People in the neighborhood, the projects where\NI grew up in Bridgeport, Connecticut,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.75,0:01:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were telling me about this place called ABCD\NCultural Art Center.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.80,0:01:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said that well you have to go there because\Nthey have paints and canvases.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.02,0:01:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Wow, this is all this stuff for\Nfree?"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.33,0:01:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once I made my way over to them, I ended\Nup with these mentors.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.84,0:01:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A fantastic group of artists who were just\Nthere helping kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.44,0:01:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was one of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.44,0:02:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was approached by DC Comics and Heavy Metal\Nmagazine and Marvel Comics to, to do work
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.05,0:02:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.47,0:02:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I saw this black and white reproduction\Nof Jackson Pollock's work, when I was in the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.88,0:02:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,library in high school, that was it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.36,0:02:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was my first take on what fine art was.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.10,0:02:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine Jackson Pollock in black and white,\Nbut it still elicited such a visceral response
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.63,0:03:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when seeing it I was kind of like wow,\Nthis is amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.20,0:03:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From that point on, I began to question what\NI was doing up against what I had seen and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.28,0:03:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I had felt.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.33,0:03:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More actually what I had felt.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.53,0:03:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably would have been like fifteen.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.09,0:03:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was still exhibiting a certain type of work,\Nbut it had touches of what I had realized.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.43,0:03:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it came time for me to go to college,\Nit was pretty easy to make a decision like,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.03,0:03:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay, you could just do college or you use\Nyour talents to go out and have a life or
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.30,0:03:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make money.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.57,0:03:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was pretty easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.35,0:03:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was like, you go to the place where it's\Ngoing to get you closer to Jackson Pollock
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.88,0:03:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I studied at Cooper Union.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.66,0:03:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was probably the greediest person there\Nbecause I digested everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.00,0:03:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I was in the foundry, the woodshop.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.02,0:03:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, like making paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.59,0:04:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Photography.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.84,0:04:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I asked for an extra year.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.47,0:04:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to fight for it, but they gave it to\Nme. [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.20,0:04:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My ability to be able to draw and paint well\Nactually was getting in the way of me realizing
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.24,0:04:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something larger.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.18,0:04:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to get past something so beautifully\Ndone and then at the same time ask the question,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.08,0:04:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's underneath that?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.25,0:04:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided it was time for me to stop using\Nwhat I did well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.89,0:04:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what I did was almost literally tied my\Nhands.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.63,0:04:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, okay, you can no longer paint or draw.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.86,0:04:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're going to have to find another way\Nto create.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.87,0:04:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where I would've stopped drawing actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.98,0:04:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where it ended.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.66,0:05:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was like seven years before I made a breakthrough.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.34,0:05:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So from 1982 to 1989, took me seven years\Nof just experimenting.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.88,0:05:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This piece came out, which was "Number 8."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.45,0:05:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Animal parts, rope, string.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.12,0:05:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything that you can possibly imagine is\Nin this, all entangled in this one monster
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.25,0:05:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.44,0:05:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was made up of all the failures or at least\Nwhat I perceived as failures.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.73,0:05:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're a "Number 8,"" then that means there\Nis like 1 to 7 that are no longer there.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.22,0:05:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just like they were all a part of "Number 8."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.10,0:05:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the reasons why I actually number the\Nworks is just to give the viewer enough room
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.79,0:05:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find themselves in the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.03,0:05:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The work should become a mirror.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.73,0:06:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are three areas on this piece, of importance\Nthat I should pay attention to.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.11,0:06:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can't place something here without knowing\Nwhat's going on over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.33,0:06:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this tells this area what has to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.48,0:06:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that tells this what has to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.33,0:06:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they speak to one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.15,0:06:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I know there's a gradation going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.70,0:06:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, that has a sweep you see.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.63,0:06:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Boom."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.00,0:06:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the time it reaches the bottom, this is\Nthe top, it's going to be epic.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.60,0:06:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.76,0:06:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That way of creating is actually only a microcosm\Nof how I make things,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.45,0:06:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because when I'm working on this I'm paying attention to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.46,0:06:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's telling me what has to happen over\Nhere too.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.20,0:06:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can see things that are not working\Nover there,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.34,0:06:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I say, okay, make sure that that's not occurring here.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.91,0:06:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then this helps me by saying, oh you know\Nwhat,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.85,0:06:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this needs that over there you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.77,0:06:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of times I can rip things out.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.62,0:06:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That piece actually is already made up of\Nat least four different pieces. Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.74,0:07:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the longer the work hangs around, the\Nbetter off it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.30,0:07:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My number's usually seven.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.59,0:07:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm rotating seven things.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.72,0:07:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're speaking to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.10,0:07:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is sometimes like seven crying babies.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.93,0:07:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're trying to get to this one, to that\None and you're bouncing around.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.86,0:07:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.66,0:07:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I end up visiting these things in museums\Nor people's homes.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.43,0:07:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the whole, those people, those folks
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.74,0:07:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even security guards at museums end up knowing more about the works than I could\Nhave,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.04,0:07:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're living with them
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.61,0:07:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've had much longer amount of time to\Nexperience them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.09,0:07:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I only have them for a second.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.84,0:07:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember making a piece in my apartment.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.13,0:07:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time I was living in Washington Heights.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.97,0:07:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A friend of mine came over and said, "Well\Nhow are you going to get it out?".
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.05,0:07:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, I hadn't thought of that that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.61,0:07:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't really thinking about taking the\Npiece out of there.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.48,0:08:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got smart enough to sort of at least break\Nthese things up into like increments of 24" by 24"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.79,0:08:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plates so that when I do hang it, you\Nknow at least if there was no help around, I could do it by myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.27,0:08:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being a person of color is one of those things\Nthat you know you will have to contend with
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.34,0:08:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.53,0:08:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're going to have to realize it and you're\Ngoing to have something to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.23,0:08:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I actually did this show back in 1992,\Nthere were things that sort of came out of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.43,0:08:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exhibition, which I have not necessarily\Nreturned to, but they have definitely been
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.00,0:08:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things that people will probably continue\Nto remember and write about, even if the work
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.58,0:08:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has absolutely at this point nothing to do\Nwith cotton or ropes or things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.07,0:09:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a huge cotton wall piece that I had done.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.45,0:09:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time I was using my friend Jack Whitten's\Nstudio.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.03,0:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I didn't have a car; I didn't even have\Na license.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.00,0:09:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My goodness.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.18,0:09:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Jack was living down on Lispenard...which\Nis behind Canal Street.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.89,0:09:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like, oh it's some almost thirty blocks.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.69,0:09:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.71,0:09:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's like, okay, I put the bale of cotton\Non the dolly and pushed it in the street.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.62,0:09:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember the photographs that came out\Nfrom that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.52,0:09:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.34,0:09:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Outrageous.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.56,0:09:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it was very practical to get from\NA to B, but in fact, if you look at the photographs,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.22,0:09:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like a political statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.23,0:09:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then from there it was like, okay, creating\Nthe piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.82,0:09:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My people's history is not about just black\Npeople.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.40,0:09:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about all of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.89,0:09:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean there were things in that exhibition\Nthat went through my body that were huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.27,0:09:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1992, I got it all out.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.78,0:09:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It got said.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.72,0:10:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me to just linger on that, it would be\Nalmost doing the art a disservice.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.84,0:10:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[saw whirring]
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.52,0:10:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was there eleven years in a studio in San Antonio.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.79,0:10:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was always going back and forth from New\NYork to San Antonio.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.94,0:10:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the issues that has consistently come\Nup when people write about the art
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.86,0:10:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they talk about found objects.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.03,0:10:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, I don't work with found objects.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.70,0:10:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of my material are actually created in\Nthe studio,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.96,0:10:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I actually go out and I buy material, brand new stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.21,0:10:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually have become the weather.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.51,0:10:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My reasons for having a studio in San Antonio\Nhad everything to do with the intensity of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.02,0:10:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the heat and how I could actually weather\Nsome of the materials that I was working with.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.45,0:10:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what I ended up doing was hoisting onto\Nthe roof of the studio these
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.58,0:10:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eight-foot cattle troughs.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.91,0:11:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Buy like six of them and I would cook the\Nmaterials, sometimes for months and years
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.52,0:11:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on what it is I was after.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.22,0:11:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is the artwork that you physically make,\Nbut there's also the journey that happens
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.09,0:11:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the inside.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.91,0:11:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That body of work was emotionally heavy and\NI just thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.16,0:11:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would happen if you took that away?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.18,0:11:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we are again with this question.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.33,0:11:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're comfortable, how do I get to the next place?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.66,0:11:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you get rid of all the things that\Nyou find that are comfortable.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.98,0:11:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, okay, get rid of the rust.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.10,0:11:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was at that point that the Fabric Workshop\Nhad asked me to come up with an idea for a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.65,0:11:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,piece as I was asking that question.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.50,0:11:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, what if I took just white paper--just\Nlike Xerox paper, like
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.57,0:11:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really sixteen-pound paper--and transform that into something.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.56,0:11:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if I took objects and I wrapped the paper\Naround them
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.90,0:11:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then released them from the objects?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.72,0:11:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boom, take a razor blade, you cut it away.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.32,0:11:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boom, take the object out.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.58,0:12:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boom, put it back together.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.48,0:12:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's nothing underneath the white paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.76,0:12:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.39,0:12:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's just a shell in the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.33,0:12:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you're getting really a ghost image.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.86,0:12:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened was revealing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.05,0:12:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No matter what materials I end up using, once\Nyou find your voice, that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.24,0:12:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[sander grinding]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.23,0:12:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no escaping your past.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.65,0:12:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With certainty, absolute certainty I can look\Nback
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.49,0:12:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on some of the configurations that I created
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.02,0:12:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I can see those projects. I can see the landfill.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.23,0:12:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were right next to the dump.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.64,0:12:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean literally we could see the dump from\Nour window and we could see the tractors going
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.68,0:12:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back and forth over the landfills.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.14,0:13:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was what I knew.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.65,0:13:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent time at the dump.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.51,0:13:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can see the grid for instance.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.19,0:13:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interesting enough, people go on like, "Oh,\Nhis connection is to minimalism."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.98,0:13:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say actually it's more like \Nthose gridded projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.80,0:14:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you're creating, there are satisfying\Nmoments and then there are
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.58,0:14:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moments that are kind of like endpoints--or beginnings.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.06,0:14:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My gallery approached me, "What if we allowed\Nyou to take on the space?""
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.24,0:14:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have the space for a month to actually create\Nin the space.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.38,0:14:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I did was, as always, bought materials\Nlike the wood and stuff like that and began
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.25,0:14:32.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to wash it and burn it and transform it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.00,0:14:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we ended up with was this dilapidated\Nwall.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.58,0:14:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This thing was a one hundred and nine feet long.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.76,0:14:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And monstrous.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.33,0:14:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just because something is big, bombastic,\Nand sensational
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.28,0:14:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not necessarily mean that it's successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.49,0:15:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was like all of a sudden, I had this epiphany.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.94,0:15:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is time for you to start reaching again.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.24,0:15:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not quite enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.31,0:15:18.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know this too well and I'm getting too comfortable\Nagain.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.82,0:15:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now for the viewer, they can't know that.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.40,0:15:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can only know what you present to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.00,0:15:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm finding out the work is becoming like\Na monster sometimes in what it needs, and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.93,0:15:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just keep feeding it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.43,0:15:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact is I've almost set myself up in life\Nso that I can give completely or commit completely
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.72,0:15:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this process of creating.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.34,0:15:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never been married, I have no kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.33,0:15:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love kids, I love women. [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.47,0:15:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't have either.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.73,0:15:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that tells you something about my commitment\Nto like this life.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.98,0:16:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're all reaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.49,0:16:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not talking just about artists, but I\Nmean we all are reaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.60,0:16:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I'm creating, I know that I have the opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.44,0:16:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever I feel or know, I make into material.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.20,0:16:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a journey though.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.86,0:16:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've enjoyed it for all of my life and still\NI'm intrigued.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.65,0:16:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still want to reach out.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.64,0:16:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still want to reach.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.26,0:16:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still want to reach.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.12,0:16:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still want to reach.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.79,0:16:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no other way of doing it except for\Nthis physical manifestation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.81,0:16:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what I've been through.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.63,0:16:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I were to say what my work was--actually\Nwhat my work was about--I couldn't tell you.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.31,0:16:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if I knew, I probably wouldn't tell you. [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.91,0:17:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[drill whirring]
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.00,0:17:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I'm moving closer and closer to answering\Nquestions, at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.16,0:17:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm moving further away from the answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.52,0:17:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all I have to do at this point is continue\Nto place my body in the act
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.99,0:17:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of attempting to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.30,0:17:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ambient electronic music)
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