1 00:00:00,835 --> 00:00:04,765 I promise you that I will not sing. I will spare you that, at least. 2 00:00:04,789 --> 00:00:07,769 But I am a historian 3 00:00:08,663 --> 00:00:12,013 with a background in philosophy, 4 00:00:12,037 --> 00:00:16,868 and my main area of research is basically the history of Southeast Asia, 5 00:00:16,892 --> 00:00:21,054 with a focus on 19th-century colonial Southeast Asia. 6 00:00:21,078 --> 00:00:22,416 And over the last few years, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:29,406 what I've been doing is really tracing the history of certain ideas 8 00:00:29,430 --> 00:00:31,504 that shape our viewpoint, 9 00:00:31,528 --> 00:00:33,839 the way we in Asia, in Southeast Asia, 10 00:00:33,863 --> 00:00:36,787 look at ourselves and understand ourselves. 11 00:00:36,811 --> 00:00:42,891 Now, there's one thing that I cannot explain 12 00:00:42,915 --> 00:00:44,071 as a historian, 13 00:00:44,095 --> 00:00:47,663 and this has been puzzling me for a long time, 14 00:00:47,687 --> 00:00:54,687 and this is how and why certain ideas, certain viewpoints 15 00:00:54,711 --> 00:00:57,999 do not seem to ever go away. 16 00:00:58,711 --> 00:00:59,975 And I don't know why. 17 00:01:00,967 --> 00:01:02,118 And in particular, 18 00:01:02,142 --> 00:01:08,056 I'm interested to understand why some people -- not all, by all means -- 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,795 but some people in postcolonial Asia 20 00:01:13,819 --> 00:01:20,464 still hold on to a somewhat romanticized view of the colonial past, 21 00:01:20,488 --> 00:01:23,144 see it through kind of rose-tinted lenses 22 00:01:23,168 --> 00:01:28,244 as perhaps a time that was benevolent or nice or pleasant, 23 00:01:28,268 --> 00:01:33,674 even though historians know the realities of the violence 24 00:01:33,698 --> 00:01:34,894 and the oppression 25 00:01:34,918 --> 00:01:38,184 and the darker side of that entire colonial experience. 26 00:01:38,208 --> 00:01:42,301 So let's imagine that I build a time machine for myself. 27 00:01:42,325 --> 00:01:43,420 (Makes beeping noises) 28 00:01:43,444 --> 00:01:45,905 I build a time machine, 29 00:01:45,929 --> 00:01:47,756 I send myself back to the 1860s, 30 00:01:47,780 --> 00:01:50,290 a hundred years before I was born. 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,824 Oh dear, I've just dated myself. 32 00:01:52,848 --> 00:01:56,212 OK, I go back a hundred years before I was born. 33 00:01:56,236 --> 00:02:00,565 Now, if I were to find myself in the context of colonial Southeast Asia 34 00:02:00,589 --> 00:02:02,054 in the 19th century, 35 00:02:03,142 --> 00:02:04,560 I would not be a professor. 36 00:02:05,329 --> 00:02:06,911 Historians know this. 37 00:02:07,610 --> 00:02:09,633 And yet, despite that, 38 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:15,135 there's still some quarters that somehow want to hold on to this idea 39 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:18,481 that that past was not as murky, 40 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:21,873 that there was a romanticized side to it. 41 00:02:21,897 --> 00:02:23,934 Now, here is where I, as a historian, 42 00:02:23,958 --> 00:02:26,604 I encounter the limits of history, 43 00:02:26,628 --> 00:02:28,905 because I can trace ideas. 44 00:02:28,929 --> 00:02:34,293 I can find out the origins of certain clichés, certain stereotypes. 45 00:02:34,317 --> 00:02:38,161 I can tell you who came up with it, where and when and in which book. 46 00:02:38,185 --> 00:02:39,815 But there's one thing I cannot do: 47 00:02:39,839 --> 00:02:46,266 I cannot get into the internal subjective mental universe of someone 48 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:48,496 and change their mind. 49 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:53,130 And I think this is where and why, over the last few years, 50 00:02:53,154 --> 00:02:56,868 I'm increasingly drawn to things like psychology 51 00:02:56,892 --> 00:02:58,528 and cognitive behavioral therapy; 52 00:02:58,552 --> 00:03:03,098 because in these fields, scholars look at the persistence of ideas. 53 00:03:03,122 --> 00:03:05,997 Why do some people have certain prejudices? 54 00:03:06,021 --> 00:03:09,617 Why are there certain biases, certain phobias? 55 00:03:09,641 --> 00:03:15,266 We live, unfortunately, sadly, in a world where, still, misogyny persists, 56 00:03:15,290 --> 00:03:17,704 racism persists, all kinds of phobias. 57 00:03:17,728 --> 00:03:20,542 Islamophobia, for instance, is now a term. 58 00:03:20,566 --> 00:03:23,258 And why do these ideas persist? 59 00:03:24,456 --> 00:03:28,088 Many scholars agree that it's partly because, when looking at the world, 60 00:03:28,112 --> 00:03:30,511 we fall back, we fall back, we fall back 61 00:03:30,535 --> 00:03:32,413 on a finite pool, 62 00:03:32,437 --> 00:03:36,431 a small pool of basic ideas that don't get challenged. 63 00:03:36,871 --> 00:03:40,842 Look at how we, particularly us in Southeast Asia, 64 00:03:40,866 --> 00:03:44,725 represent ourselves to ourselves and to the world. 65 00:03:44,749 --> 00:03:46,261 Look at how often, 66 00:03:46,285 --> 00:03:50,474 when we talk about ourselves, my viewpoint, my identity, our identity, 67 00:03:50,498 --> 00:03:53,664 invariably, we fall back, we fall back, we fall back, we fall back 68 00:03:53,688 --> 00:03:55,514 on the same set of ideas, 69 00:03:55,538 --> 00:03:59,776 all of which have histories of their own. 70 00:04:00,446 --> 00:04:02,506 Very simple example: 71 00:04:02,530 --> 00:04:04,015 we live in Southeast Asia, 72 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:07,199 which is very popular with tourists from all over the world. 73 00:04:07,223 --> 00:04:09,743 And I don't think that's a bad thing, by the way. 74 00:04:09,767 --> 00:04:13,070 I think it's good that tourists come to Southeast Asia 75 00:04:13,094 --> 00:04:15,886 because it's part and parcel of broadening your worldview 76 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:17,770 and meeting cultures, etc, etc. 77 00:04:17,794 --> 00:04:22,527 But look at how we represent ourselves 78 00:04:22,551 --> 00:04:25,848 through the tourist campaigns, the tourist ads that we produce. 79 00:04:25,872 --> 00:04:30,111 There will be the obligatory coconut tree, banana tree, orangutan. 80 00:04:30,135 --> 00:04:31,349 (Laughter) 81 00:04:31,373 --> 00:04:33,334 And the orangutan doesn't even get paid. 82 00:04:33,358 --> 00:04:34,532 (Laughter) 83 00:04:35,405 --> 00:04:39,353 Look at how we represent ourselves. Look at how we represent nature. 84 00:04:39,377 --> 00:04:41,368 Look at how we represent the countryside. 85 00:04:41,392 --> 00:04:44,670 Look at how we represent agricultural life. 86 00:04:44,694 --> 00:04:46,675 Watch our sitcoms. 87 00:04:46,699 --> 00:04:49,632 Watch our dramas. Watch our movies. 88 00:04:49,656 --> 00:04:53,266 It's very common, particularly in Southeast Asia, 89 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:56,546 when you watch these sitcoms, 90 00:04:56,570 --> 00:05:01,812 if there's someone from the countryside, invariably, they're ugly, 91 00:05:01,836 --> 00:05:03,848 they're funny, they're silly, 92 00:05:03,872 --> 00:05:05,415 they're without knowledge. 93 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:10,486 It's as if the countryside has nothing to offer. 94 00:05:10,868 --> 00:05:12,977 Our view of nature, 95 00:05:13,001 --> 00:05:15,133 despite all our talk, 96 00:05:15,157 --> 00:05:20,582 despite all our talk about Asian philosophy, Asian values, 97 00:05:20,606 --> 00:05:26,302 despite all our talk about how we have an organic relationship to nature, 98 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:29,663 how do we actually treat nature in Southeast Asia today? 99 00:05:29,687 --> 00:05:34,839 We regard nature as something to be defeated and exploited. 100 00:05:35,539 --> 00:05:36,800 And that's the reality. 101 00:05:37,426 --> 00:05:40,215 So the way in which we live in our part of the world, 102 00:05:40,239 --> 00:05:41,805 postcolonial Southeast Asia, 103 00:05:41,829 --> 00:05:44,278 in so many ways, for me, 104 00:05:45,364 --> 00:05:51,628 bears residual traces to ideas, tropes, 105 00:05:51,652 --> 00:05:53,081 clichés, stereotypes 106 00:05:53,105 --> 00:05:54,706 that have a history. 107 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:58,600 This idea of the countryside as a place to be exploited, 108 00:05:58,624 --> 00:06:02,615 the idea of countryfolk as being without knowledge -- 109 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,121 these are ideas that historians like me can go back, 110 00:06:05,145 --> 00:06:08,423 we can trace how these stereotypes emerged. 111 00:06:08,447 --> 00:06:11,222 And they emerged at a time 112 00:06:12,555 --> 00:06:14,021 when Southeast Asia 113 00:06:15,379 --> 00:06:18,693 was being governed according to the logic of colonial capitalism. 114 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:21,717 And in so many ways, 115 00:06:22,725 --> 00:06:24,275 we've taken these ideas with us. 116 00:06:24,299 --> 00:06:25,824 They're part of us now. 117 00:06:25,848 --> 00:06:28,313 But we are not critical 118 00:06:28,337 --> 00:06:30,917 in interrogating ourselves and asking ourselves, 119 00:06:30,941 --> 00:06:33,336 how did I have this view of the world? 120 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,528 How did I come to have this view of nature? 121 00:06:35,552 --> 00:06:38,351 How did I come to have this view of the countryside? 122 00:06:38,375 --> 00:06:41,569 How do I have this idea of Asia as exotic? 123 00:06:41,593 --> 00:06:44,049 And we Southeast Asians in particular 124 00:06:44,073 --> 00:06:48,361 love to self-exoticize ourselves. 125 00:06:49,059 --> 00:06:54,340 We've turned Southeast Asian identity into a kind of cosplay 126 00:06:54,364 --> 00:06:58,155 where you can literally go to the supermarket, go to the mall 127 00:06:58,179 --> 00:07:02,256 and buy your do-it-yourself exotic Southeast Asian costume kit. 128 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:04,478 And we parade this identity, 129 00:07:04,502 --> 00:07:07,477 not asking ourselves how and when 130 00:07:07,501 --> 00:07:10,480 did this particular image of ourselves emerge. 131 00:07:10,504 --> 00:07:12,080 They all have a history, too. 132 00:07:13,068 --> 00:07:14,726 And that's why, increasingly, 133 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:19,941 as a historian, I find that as I encounter the limits of history, 134 00:07:19,965 --> 00:07:23,329 I see that I can't work alone anymore. 135 00:07:24,436 --> 00:07:26,377 I can't work alone anymore, 136 00:07:26,401 --> 00:07:31,168 because there's absolutely no point in me doing my archival work, 137 00:07:31,192 --> 00:07:35,527 there's no point in me seeking the roots of these ideas, 138 00:07:35,551 --> 00:07:37,454 tracing the genesis of ideas 139 00:07:37,478 --> 00:07:39,316 and then putting it in some journal 140 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:41,410 to be read by maybe three other historians. 141 00:07:41,434 --> 00:07:42,831 There's absolutely no point. 142 00:07:43,498 --> 00:07:48,375 The reason why I think this is important is because our region, Southeast Asia, 143 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,899 will, I believe, in the years to come, 144 00:07:51,923 --> 00:07:56,173 go through enormous changes, unprecedented changes in our history, 145 00:07:56,197 --> 00:07:57,935 partly because of globalization, 146 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:01,524 world politics, geopolitical contestations, 147 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:02,996 the impact of technology, 148 00:08:03,020 --> 00:08:04,806 the Fourth Industrial Revolution ... 149 00:08:04,830 --> 00:08:08,200 Our world as we know it is going to change. 150 00:08:08,691 --> 00:08:11,144 But for us to adapt to this change, 151 00:08:11,168 --> 00:08:13,028 for us to be ready for that change, 152 00:08:13,052 --> 00:08:15,706 we need to think out of the box, 153 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:19,168 and we can't fall back, we can't fall back, we can't fall back 154 00:08:19,192 --> 00:08:26,177 on the same set of clichéd, tired, staid old stereotypes. 155 00:08:26,201 --> 00:08:27,807 We need to think out, 156 00:08:27,831 --> 00:08:30,605 and that's why historians, we can't work alone now. 157 00:08:30,629 --> 00:08:35,160 I, I need to engage with people in psychology, 158 00:08:35,184 --> 00:08:37,041 people in behavioral therapy. 159 00:08:37,065 --> 00:08:40,637 I need to engage with sociologists, anthropologists, political economists. 160 00:08:40,661 --> 00:08:43,977 I need above all to engage with people in the arts 161 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:46,152 and the media, 162 00:08:46,176 --> 00:08:49,049 because it's there in that forum, 163 00:08:49,073 --> 00:08:52,450 outside the confines of the university, 164 00:08:52,474 --> 00:08:55,903 that these debates really need to take place. 165 00:08:56,553 --> 00:08:58,719 And they need to take place now, 166 00:08:59,716 --> 00:09:05,781 because we need to understand that the way things are today 167 00:09:05,805 --> 00:09:09,334 are not determined by some fixed, 168 00:09:10,293 --> 00:09:12,401 iron historical railway track, 169 00:09:12,425 --> 00:09:14,832 but rather there are many other histories, 170 00:09:14,856 --> 00:09:19,368 many other ideas that were forgotten, marginalized, erased along the line. 171 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:23,594 Historians like me, our job is to uncover all this, discover all this, 172 00:09:23,618 --> 00:09:28,497 but we need to engage this, we need to engage with society as a whole. 173 00:09:29,088 --> 00:09:33,760 So to go back to that time machine example I gave earlier. 174 00:09:34,224 --> 00:09:38,344 Let's say this is a 19th-century colonial subject then, 175 00:09:38,368 --> 00:09:39,950 and a person's wondering, 176 00:09:39,974 --> 00:09:41,762 "Will empire ever come to an end? 177 00:09:41,786 --> 00:09:43,398 Will there be an end to all this? 178 00:09:43,422 --> 00:09:45,165 Will we one day be free?" 179 00:09:45,864 --> 00:09:47,884 So the person invents a time machine, 180 00:09:47,908 --> 00:09:49,356 (Makes beeping noises) 181 00:09:50,106 --> 00:09:51,276 goes into the future 182 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:55,760 and arrives here in postcolonial Southeast Asia today. 183 00:09:57,811 --> 00:09:59,695 And the person looks around, 184 00:09:59,719 --> 00:10:01,095 and the person will see, 185 00:10:01,119 --> 00:10:02,318 yes, indeed, 186 00:10:03,762 --> 00:10:05,671 the imperial flags are gone, 187 00:10:06,956 --> 00:10:10,000 the imperial gunboats are gone, the colonial armies are gone. 188 00:10:10,024 --> 00:10:12,580 There are new flags, new nation-states. 189 00:10:12,604 --> 00:10:14,582 There is independence after all. 190 00:10:15,285 --> 00:10:16,703 But has there been? 191 00:10:17,215 --> 00:10:21,848 The person then watches the tourist ads 192 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,648 and sees again the banana tree, the coconut tree and the orangutan. 193 00:10:27,469 --> 00:10:29,175 The person watches on TV 194 00:10:30,722 --> 00:10:34,538 and watches how images of an exotic Southeast Asia 195 00:10:34,562 --> 00:10:38,234 are being reproduced again and again by Southeast Asians. 196 00:10:38,258 --> 00:10:41,649 And the person might then come to the conclusion that, well, 197 00:10:41,673 --> 00:10:45,279 notwithstanding the fact that 198 00:10:47,001 --> 00:10:48,488 colonialism is over, 199 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,476 we are still in so, so many ways 200 00:10:54,462 --> 00:10:57,568 living in the long shadow of the 19th century. 201 00:10:59,128 --> 00:11:03,695 And this, I think, has become my personal mission. 202 00:11:04,460 --> 00:11:07,122 The reason why I think history is so important 203 00:11:07,146 --> 00:11:09,874 and the reason why I think it's so important for history 204 00:11:09,898 --> 00:11:11,696 to go beyond history, 205 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,378 because need to reignite this debate about who and what we are, 206 00:11:17,402 --> 00:11:18,609 all of us. 207 00:11:18,633 --> 00:11:21,991 We talk about, "No, I have my viewpoint, you have your viewpoint." 208 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,304 Well, that's partly true. 209 00:11:23,328 --> 00:11:27,224 Our viewpoints are never entirely our own individually. 210 00:11:27,248 --> 00:11:29,633 We're all social beings. We're historical beings. 211 00:11:29,657 --> 00:11:30,828 You, me, all of us, 212 00:11:30,852 --> 00:11:32,768 we carry history in us. 213 00:11:32,792 --> 00:11:35,542 It's in the language we use. It's in the fiction we write. 214 00:11:35,566 --> 00:11:37,437 It's in the movies we choose to watch. 215 00:11:37,461 --> 00:11:40,902 It's in the images that we conjure when we think of who and what we are. 216 00:11:40,926 --> 00:11:42,262 We are historical beings. 217 00:11:42,866 --> 00:11:44,990 We carry history with us, 218 00:11:45,014 --> 00:11:47,312 and history carries us along. 219 00:11:47,884 --> 00:11:50,788 But while we are determined by history, 220 00:11:50,812 --> 00:11:53,296 it is my personal belief 221 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,548 that we need not be trapped by history, 222 00:11:56,572 --> 00:11:59,760 and we need not be the victims of history. 223 00:12:00,744 --> 00:12:01,904 Thank you. 224 00:12:01,928 --> 00:12:04,052 (Applause)