0:00:00.499,0:00:02.831 Question: To those who are married, 0:00:02.831,0:00:04.787 what are the strongest encouragements 0:00:04.787,0:00:07.160 or strongest points of exhortation 0:00:07.160,0:00:09.283 that you could give as you look back 0:00:09.283,0:00:14.310 on what you've learned in [br]your 40 years of marriage? 0:00:14.310,0:00:16.308 Clint: Well, communication is a big one. 0:00:16.308,0:00:18.876 You can't exist in a happy marriage 0:00:18.876,0:00:21.069 apart from communication. 0:00:21.069,0:00:22.669 Sooner or later, the problems 0:00:22.669,0:00:25.023 are going to mount up 0:00:25.023,0:00:28.606 and they can be traced to [br]that one fountain head: 0:00:28.606,0:00:31.777 you don't talk about things. 0:00:31.777,0:00:34.085 And so that's a big one. 0:00:34.085,0:00:36.970 We've got to talk, shouldn't we. 0:00:36.970,0:00:40.188 It's a necessity. 0:00:40.188,0:00:41.538 And then there's such things 0:00:41.538,0:00:43.577 as ministries to one another - 0:00:43.577,0:00:44.930 a ministry of comfort. 0:00:44.930,0:00:46.269 When one is bereaved, 0:00:46.269,0:00:49.613 when one is grieving, 0:00:49.613,0:00:52.339 one is going through a difficult time, 0:00:52.339,0:00:54.077 the other one has got to be there 0:00:54.077,0:00:56.754 as a comfort. 0:00:56.754,0:01:00.311 That's all part of the [br]intimacy of marriage. 0:01:00.311,0:01:04.673 And so that's a big one. 0:01:04.673,0:01:07.124 Selfishness. 0:01:07.124,0:01:10.110 That will drive a nail in the coffin. 0:01:10.110,0:01:12.737 I mean, if you have two [br]people that are selfish 0:01:12.737,0:01:16.807 or you have one person [br]that's a selfish individual, 0:01:16.807,0:01:19.259 there's going to be a lot [br]of grief and heartache 0:01:19.259,0:01:21.363 when it could have been a happy marriage 0:01:21.363,0:01:24.512 had one person been more selfless 0:01:24.512,0:01:26.213 rather than selfish. 0:01:26.213,0:01:29.669 Self-centeredness - [br]it shows up all the time. 0:01:29.669,0:01:32.918 Not considering the other person 0:01:32.918,0:01:36.034 more important than yourself. 0:01:36.034,0:01:38.723 So that's a big one right there. 0:01:38.723,0:01:40.261 Question: What are some examples 0:01:40.261,0:01:42.045 of the ways you've seen selfishness 0:01:42.045,0:01:44.515 manifest itself that sometimes 0:01:44.515,0:01:47.264 people might be slow to recognize 0:01:47.264,0:01:51.942 that they're even being selfish? 0:01:51.942,0:01:55.418 Clint: Insistence oftentimes 0:01:55.418,0:01:59.402 has in parentheses selfishness. 0:01:59.402,0:02:04.243 I insist on this or that. 0:02:04.243,0:02:10.768 You know, that seems to [br]come to mind immediately. 0:02:10.768,0:02:14.887 I guess I couldn't give [br]a real example of it 0:02:14.887,0:02:19.907 that would be useful. 0:02:19.907,0:02:25.114 And it comes out all of the time. 0:02:25.114,0:02:31.643 I insist we celebrate this [br]holiday with my family. 0:02:31.643,0:02:35.852 You know, that could [br]just simply be selfish. 0:02:35.852,0:02:38.505 Those kinds of things. 0:02:38.505,0:02:40.120 Question: If someone came to you 0:02:40.120,0:02:41.592 and they said brother, 0:02:41.592,0:02:45.028 how can I fix the problems in my marriage? 0:02:45.028,0:02:46.487 What would you say to someone 0:02:46.487,0:02:49.484 whose mindset is maybe like a mechanic? 0:02:49.484,0:02:52.472 Who is like I've got to fix all [br]these things in my marriage? 0:02:52.472,0:02:54.418 Is that a good mindset to have? 0:02:54.418,0:02:55.912 Or are there pitfalls there? 0:02:55.912,0:02:58.908 What would you say? 0:02:58.908,0:03:02.353 Clint: Well, we've got [br]to pray for one another. 0:03:02.353,0:03:03.693 For sure. 0:03:03.693,0:03:05.355 And I don't fault someone 0:03:05.355,0:03:10.074 for wanting to improve their marriage. 0:03:10.074,0:03:14.076 I mean, a marriage is something [br]you've got to work at. 0:03:14.076,0:03:16.467 It's a hands on endeavor. 0:03:16.467,0:03:19.113 It takes two people. 0:03:19.113,0:03:23.501 In fact, the problems mount up 0:03:23.501,0:03:25.553 when people don't work on their marriage. 0:03:25.553,0:03:27.131 They get lazy. 0:03:27.131,0:03:29.211 They don't spend the time together talking 0:03:29.211,0:03:30.292 that they need to. 0:03:30.292,0:03:33.798 They don't minister to one another. 0:03:33.798,0:03:36.915 Those problems begin to mount up. 0:03:36.915,0:03:42.760 They begin to live [br]separate lives and so on. 0:03:42.760,0:03:44.601 So I don't fault someone for wanting 0:03:44.601,0:03:46.113 to fix their marriage. 0:03:46.113,0:03:48.952 It could be that what they need 0:03:48.952,0:03:51.382 is to prioritize the problems 0:03:51.382,0:03:54.683 and not try and fix all [br]of them all at once. 0:03:54.683,0:03:56.958 Take the most dangerous ones 0:03:56.958,0:03:59.493 or the most affecting ones. 0:03:59.493,0:04:01.794 Work on them through prayer, 0:04:01.794,0:04:03.739 through godly counsel. 0:04:03.739,0:04:05.027 Not peer counsel. 0:04:05.027,0:04:09.474 I'm not a big fan of peer counsel. 0:04:09.474,0:04:11.996 But rather, godly counsel. 0:04:11.996,0:04:14.153 Go to your pastors. 0:04:14.153,0:04:15.810 You know, there's such a thing 0:04:15.810,0:04:17.680 as casting your pearls before swine 0:04:17.680,0:04:19.283 when you take intimate matters 0:04:19.283,0:04:22.299 and begin to talk to your [br]best friend about them, 0:04:22.299,0:04:23.862 who three months down the road 0:04:23.862,0:04:26.899 is no longer your best friend, [br]but your worst enemy. 0:04:26.899,0:04:30.701 And now he knows your [br]intimate secrets and issues. 0:04:30.701,0:04:33.485 And you've cast your pearls before swine. 0:04:33.485,0:04:35.362 They turn and rend you 0:04:35.362,0:04:37.552 as it says there in the King James - 0:04:37.552,0:04:38.994 tear you. 0:04:38.994,0:04:41.232 So, we've got to be really cautious 0:04:41.232,0:04:44.314 who we seek counsel from. 0:04:44.314,0:04:49.434 So often, a word of counsel is very apt 0:04:49.434,0:04:54.766 because that pastor is 0:04:54.766,0:04:58.624 not emotionally tied up in the situation. 0:04:58.624,0:05:01.610 Emotions run high in marital problems. 0:05:01.610,0:05:05.628 And he can give an unbiased word 0:05:05.628,0:05:09.352 of counsel from the [br]Bible or his experience. 0:05:09.352,0:05:11.660 A man who's been a pastor 0:05:11.660,0:05:13.888 and has been married for a number of years 0:05:13.888,0:05:16.221 has a real advantage that way. 0:05:16.221,0:05:18.387 There are some men that are pastors 0:05:18.387,0:05:20.109 who are single pastors. 0:05:20.109,0:05:21.806 They're not married. 0:05:21.806,0:05:24.802 And they have real [br]difficulties, I would say, 0:05:24.802,0:05:27.526 counseling married couples. 0:05:27.526,0:05:34.972 They don't have those [br]experiences to fall back on. 0:05:34.972,0:05:37.801 So as far as a hands on approach 0:05:37.801,0:05:42.043 of fix my marriage kind of a mentality, 0:05:42.043,0:05:48.164 it seems like prioritizing [br]would be the first step. 0:05:48.164,0:05:50.338 This is the biggest issue right now 0:05:50.338,0:05:51.612 that we have to face, 0:05:51.612,0:05:53.497 so let's just work on that one. 0:05:53.497,0:05:56.663 Then we'll move on from there. 0:05:56.663,0:06:04.047 Marriage has got to be the [br]most sanctifying institution 0:06:04.047,0:06:07.554 God has put on the planet 0:06:07.554,0:06:11.676 except for maybe kids, child rearing. 0:06:11.676,0:06:14.763 You can select another part [br]of this interview below, 0:06:14.763,0:06:17.786 or if you're listening, you can [br]find the rest of the interview 0:06:17.786,0:06:21.156 on illbehonest.com or our mobile app.