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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.10,0:00:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}34C3 preroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.00,0:00:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: And I'm very happy to have 2\Nspeakers here who
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.28,0:00:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will tell us about their\Nexperiences on the Iuventa, the ship that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.77,0:00:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was seized in august this year. Kathrin\Nhas been doing search and rescue
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.33,0:00:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operations in the mediteranean since 2\Nyears, and she was on board when the boat
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.46,0:00:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was seized, when the Iuventa was seized,\Nand she was even Head of Staff. Hendrik
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.62,0:00:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has also been active in such a rescue\Noperation as a RHIB
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.33,0:00:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}chuckles{\i0}\NVoice-over: driver
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.50,0:00:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: RHIBer, which is a kind of\Nspecial function, and he has also been
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.97,0:01:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing this for 2 years approximately, for\Ndifferent NGOs. And I am very happy that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.59,0:01:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are here and can tell us about what\Nhappend on the Iuventa. So, we have
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.88,0:01:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translation to German on the Mumble that\Nis in the back now, and yeah, please
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.58,0:01:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcome them to the big applause, thank\Nyou.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.41,0:01:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NHendrik: Hello. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.54,0:01:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduction. Hello everybody. Welcome to\Nthe talk "The Seizure of the Iuventa". We
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.23,0:01:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are glad that a few people made it here.\NWhen we actually planned for the talk we
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.86,0:01:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were planning for one hour, so we put a\Nlot of content in the description and it
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.84,0:01:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was only two weeks ago that we learned we\Nonly have half an hour so we were really
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.37,0:01:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pressed to focus a bit. So. Yeah what I\Nwill do is I will give you a quick
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.80,0:02:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduction into the area we operate in\Nwhich is the central Mediterranean. I will
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.61,0:02:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell you what we do there. And after that\NKathrin will talk about the actual seizure
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.84,0:02:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Iuventa. So this is Kathrin, I'm\NHendrik obviously, I think you already
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.51,0:02:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,noticed that. So yeah I like maps. So I\Nput this map in the slides. So, migration
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.93,0:02:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is happening we all know that. And people\Nare trying to reach Europe for, yeah in
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.84,0:02:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search of a better and safer life. So the\Nreasons why they are fleeing are very
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.98,0:02:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different. There are war, violence,\Ndiscrimination, prosecution, or poverty.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.20,0:02:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They all have their reasons to leave their\Nhomes. So what we see here is the routes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.31,0:02:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these refugees take are constantly\Nchanging and that is due to changing
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.14,0:02:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political circumstances. We have different\Nroutes through the Mediterranean. For a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.97,0:03:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while now we have the eastern route that\Nwas quite famous two years ago when a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.58,0:03:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people tried to cross the Mediterranean\Nfrom Turkey to Greece. That was basically
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.98,0:03:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closed. We had the western route like 10,\N15 years ago. A lot of people tried to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.66,0:03:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cross it from Morocco to Spain or to the\NCanary Islands. And at the moment we
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.92,0:03:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainly are focusing on the central\NMediterranean route, that is where all the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.57,0:03:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,migration, or most of the migration is\Nhappening. People are trying to cross
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.82,0:03:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainly from Libya, which is the brown spot\Nat the bottom, to Italy. In the last
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.72,0:03:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couple of months there also were people\Ntrying to cross from Tunisia, but still
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.92,0:03:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the main part of the migration is\Nhappening through Libya. So to give you a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.34,0:03:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better understanding about what we are\Ntalking here, we draw you a map with some
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.98,0:03:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distances on it. The distances are given\Nin nautical miles. That is the unit we use
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.32,0:04:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at sea. Just to give you an example: Under\Nperfect conditions, a refugee boat that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.53,0:04:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would leave Libya would take at least 3\Ndays to Lampedusa, more than 4 days to
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.92,0:04:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Malta, and more than 5,5 days to Sicily.\NThat would be under perfect conditions
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.59,0:04:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that never exist. There are always waves.\NThere is the wind, the boats often don't
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.58,0:04:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a compass so they don't know where to\Ngo. So in fact the only boat we know of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.74,0:04:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really made it to Malta was underway\Nfor 8 days. So the distances these people
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.38,0:04:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to cross, have to cover, are quite\Nlong. So the classic boats we encounter on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.83,0:04:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that route, these type of boats, below you\Nsee a wooden boat, these wooden boats have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.03,0:04:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really different sizes. They take from 100\Nup to 1000 people. Usually 500 people with
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.83,0:05:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plus minus 100, but their fit up to 1000\Npeople in them. And on the upper part you
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.67,0:05:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the typical boat that was used until\Nlast summer. That is the rubber boat. 120
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.59,0:05:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to 150 people usually fit in there. But we\Nalso encountered boats with 180 people in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.62,0:05:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them. These conditions like these boats\Nand the long distance and these not
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.82,0:05:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seaworthy boats of course make this route\Nthe most dangerous route in the world. So
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.11,0:05:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most people trying to cross borders\Nare dying in the Mediterranean. You see
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.29,0:05:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this statistics, they are from the Missing\NMigrants Project. They only collect the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.89,0:05:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data off the known deaths. These are no\Nabsolute numbers, it's just a relation. So
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.15,0:05:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the big dark blue part is the relation of\Nthe people dying in the Mediterranean
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.56,0:06:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related to the rest of the world. So I\Nthink you all see that the Mediterranean
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.11,0:06:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really really a dangerous route to\Ntake. But still people are forced to take,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.58,0:06:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use this route because Europe and their\Nallies are basically closing off the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.43,0:06:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shorter and safer routes. So the\Ninternational law states a duty to rescue
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.34,0:06:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people in distress. We always have acted\Nand complied with these laws of the sea
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.84,0:06:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these international laws and we are\Nfulfilling a duty that usually is up to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.61,0:06:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the European Union but they are not\Nwilling to do that. So the NGOs had to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.16,0:06:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step in to rescue these people. So the\Nregion we are operating in ...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.74,0:06:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NThanks. The region we are operating in is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.90,0:07:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also regulated by international laws. You\Nhave Libya there of course the Libyan law
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.72,0:07:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applies as well as in the C Zone on up to\Nthe 12 mile line, which is the red line
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.44,0:07:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see there. This is also Libyan\Nterritorial waters. And from the 12th mile
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.41,0:07:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on it's basically international waters. We\Nhave the so-called contiguous zone up to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.15,0:07:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,24 miles, where the Libyan authorities\Nhave certain law enforcement rights, but
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.15,0:07:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it still is international waters. So the\Nblue shape you see is the Search and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.57,0:07:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rescue Area where we find most of the\Nboats. And that is basically where we
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.96,0:07:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operate up to the 12 mile line, we don't\Ncross the 12 mile line usually. So to be
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.58,0:07:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to conduct effective operations we\Nneed of course to buy a ship, because
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.29,0:07:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without a ship you cannot go there. So the\NIuventa was bought and the Iuventa was
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.83,0:08:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sent to the area where most boats get in\Ndistress. That means we are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.93,0:08:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proactive search and rescue. Proactive in\Nthis case means we go there before boats
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.22,0:08:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get in distress and actively search for\Nthem. That is because ships move slowly so
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.54,0:08:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot wait on Malta until ships get
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.50,0:08:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in distress, until boats get in distress
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.66,0:08:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it would take us 24 hours to get\Nthere. So for us it is important to be
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.29,0:08:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there when the people depart from shore,\Nbecause these boats you saw the pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.36,0:08:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the slides before they are immediately\Na distress case, as soon as they are in
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.70,0:08:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the open sea, there's no discussion about\Nthat. As soon as one of these overcrowded
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.99,0:08:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boats is in the open sea they are a\Ndistress case. They don't have to sink to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.70,0:08:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be a distress case. So we need to go there\Nbefore they depart to be able to help
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.51,0:08:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immediately. The Iuventa is a very small\Nship, you can see that it's only 33 metres
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.57,0:09:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long. There's not much people fitting on\Nthere and for transfer, it usually can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.41,0:09:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take only the crew. So we act as a first\Nresponse unit. When we find the boats in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.97,0:09:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distress, we secure them with life jackets\Nand life rafts. So we supply lifejackets
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.38,0:09:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the people on the boat and, if\Nnecessary, bring out life rafts and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.01,0:09:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evacuate people on the life rafts. And\Nthen call for bigger ships that transfer
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.12,0:09:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them to Italy. You can see one of the\Nbigger ships here. It's the Vost Prudence.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.22,0:09:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was used by MSF, it was chartered\Nbasically, and this is a way bigger ship
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.55,0:09:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it can take way more people and it can\Nbring them safely to Italy. So these
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.06,0:09:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transfers to these big ships we always do\Nin close cooperation with the Maritime
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.99,0:09:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rescue Coordination Center in Rome, the\Nso-called MRCC. The MRCC is responsible
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.17,0:09:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for distress cases in that area. They\Nare there to coordinate the rescue
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.39,0:10:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operations and they are always ordering\Nthe transfer of the migrants. So whenever
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.23,0:10:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we transferred migrants to one of these\Nbig ships, the MRCC ordered us to do so,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.70,0:10:16.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we never did that on our own. But you have\Nto keep in mind: The MRCC is not an agency
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.27,0:10:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is acting independently. It basically\Nis a subordinate of the Interior Ministry
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.51,0:10:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Italy, so it is bound by instructions\Nto the Interior Ministry. You have to keep
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.42,0:10:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in mind for later when Kathrin is\Ntelling you something. As I already said:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.37,0:10:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Iuventa is not suited to transport\Npeople to a place of safety. It is only
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.53,0:10:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there to secure them. That was always\Nclearly communicated with the MRCC and we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.97,0:10:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always acted as a first responder, and\Nsecured the situation. That was our job.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.76,0:10:57.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is what we are good at. So this is\Nhow we operated from the beginning, and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.75,0:11:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is how we operated on another NGO\Nvessel I've been in 2016, the Minden. It
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.33,0:11:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the same case: We were there as a\Nfirst responder, we secured the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.03,0:11:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transferred them to bigger vessels, they\Nthen brought them to Italy. This is also
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.26,0:11:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how all the other NGOs working there\Nworked, like CI Sea-Watch, MSF, Safe the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.83,0:11:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children, Moas Mission, Lifeline, and all\Nthe other NGOs working there. We're not
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.81,0:11:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alone there. And it was a successful,\Nproven concept. So just to tell it once
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.30,0:11:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more: The concept is we have smaller\Nboats, staying there, securing the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.40,0:11:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and once they are secured we call for\Nbigger ships, call for help, transfer them
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.41,0:11:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these bigger ships, and they then bring\Nthem to a place of safety, which usually
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.54,0:11:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Italy. But in May 2017 suddenly some\Nthings started to change for the Iuventa.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.78,0:11:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.39,0:11:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing I may want to emphasize again \Nis that everything we did was always
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.21,0:12:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under the coordination of the Rescue\NCoordination Center in Rome in Italy and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.85,0:12:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up until then we really had a good working\Nrelationship with them. We were conducting
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.23,0:12:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,successful and very efficient search\Noperations, rescue operations. Maybe a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.36,0:12:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit too efficient. So we can say a\Nchain of unusual events started in May
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.29,0:12:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this year. And one situation I want to\Ntalk about now is when we received
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.98,0:12:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distress calls over the radio about\Nnumerous migrant boats in distress in an
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.86,0:12:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,area we were in. And the other ships in\Nvicinity who had found those boats, they
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.38,0:12:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called us and asked for our assistance to\Nrescue these people, and up until that not
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.42,0:12:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an unusual situation. However all of a\Nsudden we were requested by the MRCC, the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.29,0:13:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coordination center in Rome, to withdraw\Nto leave the Search and Rescue Zone
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.45,0:13:09.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immediately and to go to Lampedusa. So to\Nmake that clear: We were ordered to ignore
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.69,0:13:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distress calls of people at imminent, who\Nwere at imminent threat of their life and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.01,0:13:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go away. This has never happened before\Nuntil then. So as you can imagine we were
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.53,0:13:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,torn back and forth whether we should\Nactually do that, or not. We were somewhat
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.38,0:13:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obliged to follow their instructions but\Nit did mean obviously that we had to leave
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.14,0:13:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people on these boats in distress behind.\NAnd I can remember the persistent efforts
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.92,0:13:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that day we were trying to make, and also\Nothers were trying to make, to keep the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.73,0:13:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iuventa in the SAR Zone for that, for that\Nsituation. However, it did not work out,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.66,0:14:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they continued insisting. And finally we\Nhad to give in, and proceed to Lampedusa.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.38,0:14:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, later we learned that those\Ntwo days when the Iuventa was absent,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.21,0:14:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which turned into one of the most busiest\Nrescue periods we had seen in 2017. Many
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.33,0:14:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hundred people lost their lives and the\Nremaining capacities in the SAR Zone were
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.79,0:14:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just way beyond their capacities. So this\Nvery procedure continued twice: Once more
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.90,0:14:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in May, and another time in June. And\Nagain: Back then we were absolutely in the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.09,0:14:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dark as to what could possibly be the\Nmotivation behind such instructions and we
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.72,0:14:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,realized something had changed, the good\Nworking relationship with the MRCC for
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.89,0:15:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some reason wasn't that good anymore. But\Nwe did not understand what was going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.80,0:15:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why are they behaving like that. And I\Nmean we have to realise that: This is an
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.39,0:15:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authority whose duty it is to coordinate\Nrescues at sea, and to save people's lives
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.74,0:15:23.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at sea. And they are withdrawing and\Nactively reducing Search and Rescue ships
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.87,0:15:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from where and when they're needed most.\NWe were utterly astonished, not to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.52,0:15:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speechless. And we could imagine various\Nscenarios until then. Of course we were
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.57,0:15:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite aware that the situation they were\Ndealing with is really, I mean, not easy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.00,0:15:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deal with. So we were a lot of the\Ntimes putting it down to "Hey, okay,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.11,0:15:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're probably really overwhelmed with\Ndealing all these increasingly complicated
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.07,0:15:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescues in the Mediterranean, and\Neventually that leading to really poor
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.38,0:16:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decision making". However such incidents\Nkept occuring. And at the end of July the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.23,0:16:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italian coast guard transferred 2 migrants\Non board of the Iuventa. And they had
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.88,0:16:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found them in a really small rubber boat.\NThey had left from Tripoli and they
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.20,0:16:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,requested us to take them on board. So\Nagain that was a rather unusual event,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.61,0:16:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never happened before, as we learned from\NHendrik before. The boats are usually a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.69,0:16:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit bigger than three metres and\Nthere are usually a few more people than
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.94,0:16:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two on there. Yet, you know, what if\Nwhat's happening out there is actually
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.15,0:16:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,normal. So yes we took those 2 people on\Nboard and we accommodated our guests for
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.14,0:16:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two days before we actually got any\Ninstructions as to how to continue, and we
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.37,0:16:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were kind of almost expecting that we had\Nto proceed to Lampedusa with our two
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.61,0:17:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guests. So on the way to Lampedusa,\Napproximately half way, we received
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.16,0:17:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another distress call from Rome, about a\Nboat that had apparently left in Tunesia
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.96,0:17:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the early morning. And what was really\Ninteresting that day was that they gave us
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.52,0:17:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super precise instructions as to how to\Nperform a search pattern. A search pattern
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.40,0:17:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like the organized way of performing a\Nsearch at sea with the coordinates and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.04,0:17:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distances to speeds you go, so they were\Nin total control of what we did and how we
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.48,0:17:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did it, and they were making sure\Ncontinuously that we are following their
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.45,0:17:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plan. Something never happened before\Nbecause usually they were really not
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.32,0:17:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in how we performed the search,\Nas long as we found the boats, obviously.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.49,0:17:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While they were making us perform a search\Npattern that would have taken us three
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.77,0:18:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,days to complete, the way they ordered us\Nto do it, they neither gave us an official
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.17,0:18:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distress notification, nor an official\Nsearch and rescue case number, both of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.44,0:18:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would be the usual procedure. And\Nprobably worth by adding is that also the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.54,0:18:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iuventa was the only ship involved in that\Nsearch that day, all the other ships were
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.11,0:18:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just not a few between Tunisia and\NLampedusa had not been, obviously, not
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.72,0:18:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been informed. Another private rescue ship\Nthat was, that happened to be in the area
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.03,0:18:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was initially declined by the MRCC to\Nsupport us. Then I kept insisting like:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.89,0:18:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey guys, we cannot possibly \Ndo this on our own".
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.05,0:18:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so eventually they allowed them to\Njoin into the search. Very interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.01,0:18:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also is that we requested the support \Nof a surveillance plane,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.81,0:19:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a private surveillance plane \Nby Sea-Watch, the Moon Bird,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.90,0:19:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was completely rejected and\Ndeclined from morning till evening that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.28,0:19:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day. So Moon Bird never left the ground in\NMalta that day. And yet believe it or not:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.64,0:19:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were still not fully convinced that the\NMRCC's decisions are actually really
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.84,0:19:30.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solely driven by the interests of the\NMinistry of Interior in Italy.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.43,0:19:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were still somewhat in denial, thinking\Nthat, you know, something like law
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.90,0:19:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enforcement would be beyond their scope,\Nreally. And so our paranoia level had
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.23,0:19:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply just not, could not grasp yet the\Ndimension of where this would take us.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.50,0:19:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Until the very moment when we reached\NItalian territorial waters close to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.08,0:20:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lampedusa, and 4 Coast Guard ships\Nescorted us with blue lights into the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.93,0:20:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,harbor of Lampedusa. And the Iuventa was\Nsearched and seized on August 2nd. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.73,0:20:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,slowly it was dribbling, all these events\Nbeforehand started to make sense, fell
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.44,0:20:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into place. And in fact, there are a lot\Nof facts now, in hindsight that were, you
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.63,0:20:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, we can, that we can put in order,\Nand we know that the warrants for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.33,0:20:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search, as well as for the seizure, had\Nboth been signed one day before we
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.33,0:20:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually came to Lampedusa. And also the\Ncomplete confiscation order of the Iuventa
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.88,0:20:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had been leaked to the media in advance so\Nthey could they could be there, they could
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.33,0:20:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,receive us in the middle of the night.\NThey were waiting for us at the peer, the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.55,0:20:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italian press. And, you know, then you\Nthink: "Okay, that search pattern we did.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.77,0:21:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was that about? Were they buying time\Nto fly in all these police officers that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.92,0:21:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ended up on our ship?" But one thing we\Nknow for sure now is that the scenario I
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.32,0:21:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about before when they withdrew the\NIuventa from distress calls that day in
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.06,0:21:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,May, there was actually a price they\Naccepted to pay to install a bug on the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.13,0:21:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bridge of the Iuventa that day. Also when\Nthey continuously ordered the Iuventa back
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.71,0:21:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Lampedusa, I mean, now that kind of\Nstarts making sense as well if you
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.57,0:21:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider that the capacity of a SD card\Nmay not be that big over such a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.42,0:21:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roundabout the same time when the bug was\Ninstalled on the bridge of the Iuventa
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.83,0:22:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were also 2..., there was also 1\Nundercover cop placed on another private
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.49,0:22:06.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue ship and he later produced forged\Nevidence to incriminate the crew of the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.99,0:22:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iuventa. So in fact, the investigation, we\Nthen learned, of the Iuventa crew by the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.87,0:22:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italian authorities was started as early\Nas September 2016 (last year) when two
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.53,0:22:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security officers on board of another\Nvessel, they were both former cops, had
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.92,0:22:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proactively informed not only special\Npolice forces dealing with organized crime
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.56,0:22:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Sicily, but also the Italian foreign\Nintelligence service and a politician of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.23,0:22:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Lega Nord in Italy, and although their\Ntestimonies were somewhat contradictory
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.17,0:22:51.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were reporting strange behavior\Nof the Iuventa, they actually did prompt a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.75,0:22:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,large scale investigation. So the\Naccusations that are meant to justify the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.91,0:23:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seizure of the ship include: Facilitation\Nof illegal immigration, Collusion with
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.49,0:23:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human traffickers, and possession of\Nfirearms. However, until this day, there
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.45,0:23:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are no criminal charges against any\Nindividual crewmembers, nor against the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.75,0:23:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organization, which I guess works in their\Nfavor as well because they have reached
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.15,0:23:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they wanted, they bought time, they\Nhave one ship less in the Search and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.86,0:23:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rescue area at the moment. And the moment\Nthey actually get a trial they start
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.09,0:23:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having to produce real evidence, which may\Nbe trouble for them. So the seizure of the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.80,0:23:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iuventa they called a so-called\N'Preventive Measure', and that was only
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.79,0:23:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enabled by Anti-Mafia laws, which by the\Nway were also used against..., for similar
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.01,0:24:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cases like the Capandamur in 2005 and\NTunisian fishers in 2007, both of which
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.66,0:24:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cases the charges had to be dropped after\Nsome years. Still the damage was done. So
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.29,0:24:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have of course appealed the seizure, in\Nthe meantime, at the court in Trapani,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.64,0:24:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, as we expected, that was rejected and\Nhas been taken to the next level at the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.78,0:24:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Supreme Court in Rome. And yeah, we are\Nnow waiting for them to decide whether
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.44,0:24:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually the seizure of the Iuventa was\Nlegal or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.11,0:24:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hendrik: What we had to learn in the\Naftermath was that the seizure of the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.95,0:24:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iuventa was only a small part in a way\Nbigger political fight. What the EU
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.88,0:24:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually wants to do is they want to shut\Ndown the central Mediterranean route at
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.76,0:24:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all costs, and what they also want to\Nprevent is pictures of drowning people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.36,0:24:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And instead of sending ships there to\Nrescue these people, what they want to do
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.36,0:25:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is they want to get rid of the witnesses\Nthat document how the people drown and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.09,0:25:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually save them. So they are trying to\Nstop the NGOs from working there.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.08,0:25:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\N{\i1}boo{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.16,0:25:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what we learned is that the fight for\Nthe Iuventa we are fighting at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.52,0:25:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a legal fight but a political\Nfight, and we are waging that fight
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.77,0:25:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together with a lot of other NGO that are\Nactive there in the central Mediterranean.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.07,0:25:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for us of course the seizure of the\NIuventa was a drawback. We don't have a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.06,0:25:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ship anymore which with which we can\Noperate. But still you can see also with
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.95,0:25:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constant pressure, sometimes there are\Npositive surprises. For example in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.97,0:25:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,December the United Nations made an\Nevacuation flight for migrants from Libya
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.58,0:25:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly to Europe. And that of course was\Nonly possible because of the constant
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.50,0:25:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media work a lot of NGOs did so that the\NEuropean Union had to react and allow
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.90,0:26:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. So what this also shows us is that\Nwith patience and continuous struggle it
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.22,0:26:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still is possible to drill small holes\Ninto the walls of Fortress Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.90,0:26:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: Yes, continue that fight! \NThank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.60,0:26:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hendrik: Thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.62,0:26:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\N{\i1}cheer{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.07,0:26:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Breathtaking. Thank you so\Nmuch. So, do we have questions? We have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.81,0:26:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some microphones in the Saal, so you can\Njust go there, and place yourself. Okay, I
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.84,0:26:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think I will start with number 6.\NMicrophone No. 6: Yes, hello, thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.88,0:27:05.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the good work. You mentioned a charge\Nof firearms on the ship. Were there any?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.98,0:27:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: Good question. No, they have not\Nfound any evidence at all during the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.93,0:27:18.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search, and we also later learned that\Nthey had to include this section into the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.77,0:27:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accusation to actually justify the seizure\Nat all, because those are the two
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.60,0:27:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accusations whould've not been strong\Nenough to justify the seizure.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.29,0:27:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Okay, microphone 1 please.\NMicrophone 1: Thank for the talk. 3 quick
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.02,0:27:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions: How much did the Iuventa cost?\NHow much would it cost to buy a new ship?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.12,0:27:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is this feasible?\N{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.34,0:27:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hendrik: I actually have no idea much that\Nship cost, do you know that?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.70,0:27:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: I roughly know how much a ship in\Nthat size would cost now, at a similar
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.75,0:28:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,age. We are probably looking at between\N180.000 to 250.000 Euro. And feasible or
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.55,0:28:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not, from an economic point of view\Nprobably doable, yes, I mean, people have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.49,0:28:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done it before, and it's probably possible\Nto do it again. From a political point of
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.14,0:28:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,view it's certainly debateable whether...,\Nhow to proceed and what the right action
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.69,0:28:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is at this point.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.81,0:28:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Okay, we have a Signal, we\Nhave a question from the Internet, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.72,0:28:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: Is what happened to your\Nship unique, or are there other ships that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.63,0:28:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been seized?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.41,0:28:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: Can... I didn't understand the\Nquestion.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.05,0:28:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hendrik: Actually it's... The seizure is\Nunique but there have been other ships
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.43,0:29:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have been searched by the cops like\Nfrom Save the Children and MSF.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.89,0:29:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Okay, number 1 please.\NKathrin: Something to the answer of that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.36,0:29:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question: We... In our file we certainly\Nalso know that while they are
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.57,0:29:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investigating against the Iuventa crew,\Nthey have tapped phones of numberous
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.98,0:29:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that also work for all the other\NNGOs, mainly in Italy, so we know that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.62,0:29:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is going over and beyond what\Nhappened to us, but we were just a, like a
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.03,0:29:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digestible bite, to put it that way.\NHerald Angel: What a bite. Okay, number 1
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.42,0:29:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please.\NMicrophone 1: Let's say I've got a half a
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.23,0:29:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year of free time on hand... where do I\Nsign up?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.45,0:29:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.03,0:29:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hendrik: Sounds great, I can invite you to\Ncome to the assembly afterwards. We have
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.20,0:30:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an "Just humans" assembly in hall 2 where\Na lot of these NGOs I mentioned in the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.01,0:30:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk actually are, so just come and talk\Nto us, and find us there.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.36,0:30:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Okay, one last question, I\Nhope it's a short question because we just
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.32,0:30:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got 2 more minutes.\NMicrophone: Thanks for the talk, and
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.71,0:30:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks for the work you do. One question:\NThe bug, was it actually legal? Was it a
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.38,0:30:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal operation that they did that? And\Nhow do you know that there is a bug, that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.07,0:30:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there have been a bug?\NKathrin: We know that there is a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.21,0:30:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that was a... it's part of the\Ninvestigation file that we were handed
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.21,0:30:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over, part of the 500 pages investigation\Nfile. We know the exact date and time,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.13,0:30:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the bug has been installed, and\Nroundabout where, namely on the bridge of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.17,0:30:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Iuventa. Whether or not that action\Nwas legal, because we are looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.42,0:31:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italien authorities, planting a bug on a\Nship under Dutch flag, bugging people in
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.88,0:31:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interational waters, mostly from German\Ndecent. Until today we have not got a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.37,0:31:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear answer to that question, we are\Nstill asking a number of lawyers around
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.79,0:31:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe and it's probably a situation that\Ndoesn't happen too often. Also you're
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.31,0:31:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,warmly invited to come around to our\Nassembly and we can talk about that a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.79,0:31:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit more, because that's one of the\Nmost interesting and pressing questions we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.80,0:31:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have as well.\NHerald Angel: Okay. So, like the two said:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.07,0:31:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Assembly Hall 2, just Humans, is the space\Nwhere you can meet them, where you can ask
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.47,0:31:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more questions. And thank you once again!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.99,0:31:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause and cheer{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.01,0:31:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kathrin: Thanks for having us!
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