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-In the reference of
landfills, okay,

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maybe you don't
have to pay for it now,

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but in 20 years
when they're full,

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you're still going to
end up paying for it,

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so why push that responsibility
onto someone else?

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-But don't you
think the citizens--

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-It's irresponsible.

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- --have a right to decide
if they want to go along with this?

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-I don't think that
citizens have the right

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to be wasteful more than
someone else.

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-My name is Don.

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I'm a professor of geology and a
professional climate scientist,

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have published in the field
for many years.

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-My name is Andrew.

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I studied environmental
science policy and management.

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I'm a consultant that specializes
in sustainable tourism.

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-My name is Natalie.

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I'm a local
government consultant,

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and I believe that anthropogenic
climate change is real.

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-My name is Michael.

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I'm the vice president
of a nonprofit

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that concerns itself with
the threats to western civilization.

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-My name is
Dr. James Enstrom.

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I'm a physicist
and epidemiologist

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and I'm passionate
about scientific integrity.

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-My name is Keith Hardine.
I'm a constitutional rights activist,

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and I'm concerned about the
future of the next generations.

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-{moderator] May I please
have my activists to the left

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and my skeptics
to the right.

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[dramatic whoosh
sound effect]

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-[moderator] "I believe global warming
should be our number one concern."

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-There's obviously a lot of issues
that our politicians deal with,

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and that, as a society,
we can care about,

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but if our earth is moving in a direction
to where our species cannot survive,

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then homelessness, then all of the
other issues that are out there,

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are going to be irrelevant,
because we won't have a place to live.

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-I agree that there are many issues
that are important at the local level,

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and we are not doing a great job
with a lot of things,

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but things like extreme droughts,
extreme heat waves,

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and devastating
hurricanes and tornadoes

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are going to make
life harder on us

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no matter where
we come from,

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no matter what our
economic background.

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-Really if you want to look at it
as an issue of health,

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I don't see why everyone
wouldn't be concerned

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and everyone wouldn't
be participating in ways

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to reduce the impact of climate change
or reverse global warming.

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[whoosh-tap sound effect]

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-No matter what
the United States does,

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it's not going to make an impact on the
worldwide greenhouse gas emissions

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as long as China and
other parts of the world

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are increasing the
greenhouse emissions.

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It puts the United States
at an economic disadvantage

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when we try to
transform our lives,

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and the other countries just
simply ignore these efforts.

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-The United States seems to be
the most held responsible

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for the global warming,
for doing something about it,

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and that's what
bothers me.

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You know,
we have a Constitution,

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and nobody ever
considers that Constitution,

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the importance of protecting the
natural rights of the individual,

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and I think global warming is
an infringement on those rights.

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When I say global warming, at least
the agenda of the political aspect of it.

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-I think it's time to
change how we live.

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I really do.

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Which we have seen
how changing our habits,

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changing the resources
that we use

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and what we
pump into the air

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and how we reversed
that hole in the ozone,

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we've seen how it can change
and we can change it,

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but we're going to
have to make changes.

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-Well, I don't believe that climate
change is our biggest problem

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because I don't believe that
man has anything to do with it.

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Climate has changed since before
man existed on the planet

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and will continue
when man is gone.

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-As a professional climate scientist
who's done this for 50 years,

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I'm afraid
you're not correct.

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The climate evidence
is very, very clear,

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and probably the
clearest evidence of all

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comes from ancient records
where we can actually see

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what the planet was like
before humans were involved.

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This is why climate
scientists, 99%,

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on almost every study
of climate scientists,

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shows that we're as unanimous
as the scientific community ever gets,

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and that this evidence is real,
and that it's happening,

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and it's happening on every scale,
from the ice caps to the ocean,

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every place we look,
we get the same answer.

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-No, I'm not a climate scientist,
but I know a lot of them,

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and I've heard exactly
the opposite argument made.

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Thousands of scientists,
just in the United States,

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signed a letter saying man has little if
any effect on climate, so that's clearly--

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-[Don] But are they all climate
scientists? That's the point.

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-[Michael]
Oh, yes, they are.

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-No, actually doing climate
research and publishing in it.

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-Yes, they are.

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-I don't believe it.

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-[Michael] Yes, they are.
[whoosh]

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-[moderator] "I know people who have been
affected by environmental regulations."

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-Yes!

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-[Don] Wow, everybody agrees
on this one. [chuckles]

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-I have a very good friend.
He is a trucker.

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He was able to be successful
and maintain a career for 40 years.

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He was stopped in that career
because of claims

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that his diesel truck was killing
people through the exhaust.

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There was a program in Los Angeles
called the Clean Truck Program

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that basically
put him out of work,

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because he couldn't
afford to buy a new truck.

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So this is the kind of environmental
regulation that hurts real people,

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especially here in
southern California.

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-I'll say also that many of
the people who own homes,

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they're not allowed
to water their lawns.

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Why? Because of environmental
regulation laws, which are suppressing--

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again, suppressing the
natural right to use water.

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-It seems like an underlying issue
with you guys is money, power, choice,

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and I grew up on a farm where
there was a lot of regulation--

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agriculture is
very regulated--

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and then eventually there was this
regulatory thing that came in

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called the conservation
reserve program

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where we had to convert
a part of our lands to prairie.

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At the time my dad was very angry
because we lost money from that,

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but that conservation area
also created a buffer

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between the farm fields and the water
to capture eroding soils,

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that it didn't go into the water
and decrease the water quality.

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So I think there's
certain regulations

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that we need to
look at more long-term,

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look at the
bigger picture,

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and although we may
be losing money now,

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we could be earning it
greater in the future.

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We need to look at it
a bigger picture.

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-I really like your point about
the water and the regulation of water,

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because I can remember that
from a few years ago,

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and the reason they
put that regulation in

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was because the snowpack
wasn't there for that year.

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It's not like it was a random year
where the government just said,

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"Start charging
people for water."

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It's because the effect
of climate change--

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one of the aspects of it is that
we are not seeing consistent seasons,

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and I completely agree
with a regulation that,

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you know, limits
the amount of water,

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the amount of precious resource
that we have, to consumers.

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-A regulation
a lot of us didn't like

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when the cost of gas
went up here in California,

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and we all had to have
catalytic converters,

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but we've all agreed
in this group

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that we're grateful
that the air is clean

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like it wasn't
when I was a kid,

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and we don't want
those laws reversed

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because we'd be back to the smog
we had when I was a kid.

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So those regulations may not
have been great at the time,

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they may not have
made people happy,

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but we've all learned to live with it,
and now we're grateful.

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-I'd like to bring up my concern
about China again.

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On some days,
the pollution levels in China

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can be 10 to 50 times what they are
here in southern California.

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They simply assign their
citizens to wear gas masks,

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and then they take the jobs,
the manufacturing jobs,

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that used to be in this area,
have now gone to China.

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-I might be missing it,
but are you saying that

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you would rather have that
manufacturing be in California,

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and that we all wear
gas masks all the time?

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Because that regulation
that we have here

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that makes it expensive
to have manufacturing here

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is what keeps us safe.

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That is what
makes it expensive.

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-No, I think you're
misunderstanding me.

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You could bring
manufacturing back

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just like President Trump has done
in various parts of the United States

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by just making
the economics work.

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So we can still
keep the clean air,

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but we don't need to
keep beating down.

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Some of the
regulations now

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are more severe than
they were 50 years ago,

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and what you need to do is talk to
some of these businessmen

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that are faced with this
on a day-to-day basis.

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[whoosh]

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-[moderator] "An eco-friendly
lifestyle is expensive."

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[skeptics chuckling]

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-We all know we're paying
twice as much for gas

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as the rest of
the country.

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I pay an enormous amount for energy
in my little tiny one-bedroom condo.

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Wind and solar
have been subsidized,

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so, I mean, we've already
paid a fortune for it all.

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-You know, why not put some of
these regulations to a vote?

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Instead of the EPA and all the rest
of these administrative arms

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placing these
regulations on us,

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taking more and redistributing
more of our wealth

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or more of our money
to pay for something

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that we're not even going
to use or benefit from.

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[whoosh-tap]

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-An eco-conscious lifestyle
does not need to be expensive.

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There are incentives
that are built into our policy

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that encourage people to live
a more eco-conscious lifestyle.

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Because you have
control over that.

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A lot of things
we don't have control over,

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but you have control over how much
you're buying at a grocery store

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and how much you're
deciding to throw away.

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And minimize that,
scale it back, in all regard.

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In how far you're driving,
in the water, in the electricity,

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in all of the different sectors
that impact climate change.

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So you have the decision to make
of how much you're going to use,

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and there are direct cost savings
with not being so wasteful.

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-I'm also an
example of that.

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I drive an electric car,

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and it's not that hard in
Los Angeles to get it charged,

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and in the future it's
going to be much easier

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for more and more people
who have electric cars

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especially as the cost of internal
combustion engines keeps adding up.

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I spend a tremendous
amount of time

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recycling plastic,
recycling aluminum,

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and about every six months
I go to the recycle yard myself

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and it pays off very handsomely--
aluminum is extremely valuable.

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There's a lot of small choices
and a lot of larger choices,

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and you can make
those choices quite easily.

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I mean, our entire yard is now
all drought-resistant plants.

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-That is your choice,

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but what you are talking about
is making choices for me.

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-[Natalie] No, you can
choose to keep using water,

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but you're going to
pay for it.

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You can choose to
still have your green lawn.

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No one is coming around
and saying you cannot do that,

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but you are
going to pay for it.

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-Lookit, we can have
a middle ground on this.

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There's a lot of people that
believe in these things

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that are totally separate from
the role of climate change,

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and a lot of these recycling and
energy-efficiency policies are very good,

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and I think most people
would agree with them,

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and most of people
are trying to adhere to them.

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I think what we're talking about,
again, is the imposition,

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whether you force people
to have drought-resistant lawns

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or you force people to have
solar panels on their roof.

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I don't see any reason

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why people can't make choices
like that on their own.

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-When it comes down to it,
like those choices we make,

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what we buy,
whatever we vote on,

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is-- doesn't have to
be expensive.

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But what
we're trying to do

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is prevent these costs
from getting bigger long-term.

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I mean, I think we just simply need to
change some of our choices

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and be a
little altruistic.

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[whoosh]

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-[moderator]
"I worry about our future."

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-Yes, I definitely
worry about our future.

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It's something
I think about a lot.

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Because I watch and because I work
with the data from climate science

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all over the country
and all over the world,

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and I especially worry because
I have three young sons.

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One of them just has
his birthday today,

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and I'm very worried that
the planet they're going to inherit

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is already going to be much,
much more difficult to live on

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than the one I inherited
or the one my parents gave to me.

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-The Constitution Preamble--
the last part of it says

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"to secure the blessings of liberty
to ourselves and our posterity."

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I'm concerned about them
having liberty, having the freedom.

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Some people think that we
don't have the right to choose,

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you know,
how we should live,

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I mean, because you want to
enforce your way of life on others.

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-I have four grandsons
that I love more than life.

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I fear for their future,

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that they are going to be
living in a socialist country,

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because this is
what this leads to.

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I don't have a voice
in this state, at all.

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I have no voice.

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-I worry about the future because
I have four nieces, a nephew,

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and I'd like to have a family
of my own someday and have kids,

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and so I think about the future and how
degraded the environment could be,

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or how the amount of CO2
we're putting into the air

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and greenhouse
gases increases,

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but I'm hopeful,
because I've found that

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there are people living in
way worse conditions than I am,

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and they're full of hope,

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because they understand
that they have choices

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that they can work hard to
make a better life for themselves.

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I don't know about you guys,
but at least for me,

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I'm going to make choices
that improve the environment,

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improve the public health,

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and leave this place better
for the future generations.

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[whoosh-tap]

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-Hi, Natalie.

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-Hi, everyone!

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-[Keith] Natalie, where--?
Why is she--?

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[all chuckling]

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-I'm just, I'm not--
I'm not in fear.

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I have made the choice
to not have children,

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and I honor that decision,
and we all have that choice,

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and I don't operate
from a place of fear.

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A big question that I don't know
if we've addressed today,

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or if we ever
will address,

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is who takes responsibility for
the impact that we're having,

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because we know
that we have an impact.

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So I just believe in
using our purchasing power,

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our political power
through our vote,

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through supporting policies that are
going to create healthier communities,

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and basically doing
the best that we can

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so that we can continue to
enjoy our environment now

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and for future generations.

00:13:51.109 --> 00:13:52.754
-Hey, everybody.
-Nice to meet you.

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-Thank you, Professor,
interesting.

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-Good to meet you.

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-Very nice, nice meeting you,
nice meeting you.

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-Mother Nature, alright.

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[laughing]

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-Nice meeting you.

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-Hey everybody, thank you for watching
another episode of Middle Ground.

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My name is Erin,
and this is Dan,

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and we are both
Jubilee directors.

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-I think, you know, we obviously
have our own beliefs

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that we carry through
our own lives,

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and then when you are directing
an episode of Middle Ground,

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what's interesting is when you start
reaching out to cast members

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to be in
the episode.

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You start talking from people
who you actually disagree with.

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I wouldn't say it makes you
agree with them always,

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but you do empathize
and listen a lot more.

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You can't just
dismiss it completely.

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You have to see the human being
coming with that opinion.

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-Well, if you guys
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