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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-In the reference of\Nlandfills, okay,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.98,0:00:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you don't\Nhave to pay for it now,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.83,0:00:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in 20 years\Nwhen they're full,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.33,0:00:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're still going to\Nend up paying for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.88,0:00:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so why push that responsibility\Nonto someone else?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.17,0:00:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But don't you\Nthink the citizens--
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.44,0:00:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It's irresponsible.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.40,0:00:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- --have a right to decide\Nif they want to go along with this?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.22,0:00:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I don't think that\Ncitizens have the right
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.54,0:00:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be wasteful more than\Nsomeone else.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.68,0:00:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ drums ♪]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.18,0:00:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is Don.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.48,0:00:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a professor of geology and a\Nprofessional climate scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.83,0:00:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have published in the field\Nfor many years.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.90,0:00:38.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is Andrew.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.15,0:00:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I studied environmental\Nscience policy and management.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.03,0:00:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a consultant that specializes\Nin sustainable tourism.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.27,0:00:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is Natalie.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.50,0:00:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a local\Ngovernment consultant,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.36,0:00:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe that anthropogenic\Nclimate change is real.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.50,0:00:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is Michael.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.73,0:00:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm the vice president\Nof a nonprofit
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.57,0:00:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that concerns itself with\Nthe threats to western civilization.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.47,0:01:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is\NDr. James Enstrom.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.56,0:01:04.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a physicist\Nand epidemiologist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.19,0:01:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm passionate\Nabout scientific integrity.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.50,0:01:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My name is Keith Hardine.\NI'm a constitutional rights activist,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.61,0:01:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm concerned about the\Nfuture of the next generations.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.76,0:01:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-{moderator] May I please\Nhave my activists to the left
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.20,0:01:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my skeptics\Nto the right.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.92,0:01:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[dramatic whoosh\Nsound effect]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.24,0:01:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[moderator] "I believe global warming\Nshould be our number one concern."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.60,0:01:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There's obviously a lot of issues\Nthat our politicians deal with,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.32,0:01:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that, as a society,\Nwe can care about,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.47,0:01:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if our earth is moving in a direction\Nto where our species cannot survive,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.60,0:01:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then homelessness, then all of the\Nother issues that are out there,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.46,0:01:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are going to be irrelevant,\Nbecause we won't have a place to live.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.55,0:01:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I agree that there are many issues\Nthat are important at the local level,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.06,0:01:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are not doing a great job\Nwith a lot of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.76,0:02:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but things like extreme droughts,\Nextreme heat waves,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.56,0:02:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and devastating\Nhurricanes and tornadoes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.46,0:02:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are going to make\Nlife harder on us
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.89,0:02:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no matter where\Nwe come from,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.30,0:02:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no matter what our\Neconomic background.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.42,0:02:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Really if you want to look at it\Nas an issue of health,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.20,0:02:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't see why everyone\Nwouldn't be concerned
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.51,0:02:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everyone wouldn't\Nbe participating in ways
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.11,0:02:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reduce the impact of climate change\Nor reverse global warming.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.20,0:02:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[whoosh-tap sound effect]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.35,0:02:25.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No matter what\Nthe United States does,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.83,0:02:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not going to make an impact on the\Nworldwide greenhouse gas emissions
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.52,0:02:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as China and\Nother parts of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.27,0:02:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are increasing the\Ngreenhouse emissions.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.17,0:02:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It puts the United States\Nat an economic disadvantage
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.83,0:02:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we try to\Ntransform our lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.98,0:02:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other countries just\Nsimply ignore these efforts.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.65,0:02:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-The United States seems to be\Nthe most held responsible
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.48,0:02:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the global warming,\Nfor doing something about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.10,0:02:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what\Nbothers me.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.40,0:02:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nwe have a Constitution,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.68,0:03:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody ever\Nconsiders that Constitution,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.61,0:03:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the importance of protecting the\Nnatural rights of the individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.94,0:03:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think global warming is\Nan infringement on those rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.53,0:03:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I say global warming, at least\Nthe agenda of the political aspect of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.53,0:03:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I think it's time to\Nchange how we live.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.50,0:03:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really do.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.67,0:03:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which we have seen\Nhow changing our habits,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.44,0:03:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing the resources\Nthat we use
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.44,0:03:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we\Npump into the air
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.80,0:03:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how we reversed\Nthat hole in the ozone,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.40,0:03:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've seen how it can change\Nand we can change it,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.03,0:03:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we're going to\Nhave to make changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.60,0:03:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well, I don't believe that climate\Nchange is our biggest problem
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.47,0:03:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't believe that\Nman has anything to do with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.70,0:03:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Climate has changed since before\Nman existed on the planet
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.12,0:03:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will continue\Nwhen man is gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.08,0:03:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-As a professional climate scientist\Nwho's done this for 50 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.41,0:03:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm afraid\Nyou're not correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.86,0:03:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The climate evidence\Nis very, very clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.02,0:03:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and probably the\Nclearest evidence of all
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.01,0:03:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes from ancient records\Nwhere we can actually see
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.51,0:04:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the planet was like\Nbefore humans were involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.60,0:04:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why climate\Nscientists, 99%,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.87,0:04:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on almost every study\Nof climate scientists,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.26,0:04:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows that we're as unanimous\Nas the scientific community ever gets,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.94,0:04:12.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that this evidence is real,\Nand that it's happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.67,0:04:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's happening on every scale,\Nfrom the ice caps to the ocean,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.71,0:04:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every place we look,\Nwe get the same answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.33,0:04:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No, I'm not a climate scientist,\Nbut I know a lot of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.13,0:04:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've heard exactly\Nthe opposite argument made.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.69,0:04:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thousands of scientists,\Njust in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.76,0:04:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,signed a letter saying man has little if\Nany effect on climate, so that's clearly--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.91,0:04:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Don] But are they all climate\Nscientists? That's the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.96,0:04:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Michael]\NOh, yes, they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.92,0:04:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No, actually doing climate\Nresearch and publishing in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.90,0:04:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes, they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.88,0:04:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I don't believe it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.83,0:04:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Michael] Yes, they are.\N[whoosh]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.49,0:04:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[moderator] "I know people who have been\Naffected by environmental regulations."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.36,0:04:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.41,0:04:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Don] Wow, everybody agrees\Non this one. [chuckles]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.40,0:04:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I have a very good friend.\NHe is a trucker.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.17,0:05:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was able to be successful\Nand maintain a career for 40 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.75,0:05:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was stopped in that career\Nbecause of claims
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.66,0:05:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that his diesel truck was killing\Npeople through the exhaust.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.64,0:05:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a program in Los Angeles\Ncalled the Clean Truck Program
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.74,0:05:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that basically\Nput him out of work,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.31,0:05:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he couldn't\Nafford to buy a new truck.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.82,0:05:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the kind of environmental\Nregulation that hurts real people,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.02,0:05:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially here in\Nsouthern California.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.75,0:05:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'll say also that many of\Nthe people who own homes,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.05,0:05:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're not allowed\Nto water their lawns.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.38,0:05:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? Because of environmental\Nregulation laws, which are suppressing--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.24,0:05:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, suppressing the\Nnatural right to use water.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.79,0:05:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It seems like an underlying issue\Nwith you guys is money, power, choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.14,0:05:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I grew up on a farm where\Nthere was a lot of regulation--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.51,0:05:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agriculture is\Nvery regulated--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.28,0:05:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then eventually there was this\Nregulatory thing that came in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.84,0:05:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called the conservation\Nreserve program
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.11,0:06:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we had to convert\Na part of our lands to prairie.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.57,0:06:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time my dad was very angry\Nbecause we lost money from that,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.09,0:06:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that conservation area\Nalso created a buffer
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.18,0:06:15.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the farm fields and the water\Nto capture eroding soils,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.89,0:06:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it didn't go into the water\Nand decrease the water quality.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.68,0:06:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think there's\Ncertain regulations
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.94,0:06:22.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need to\Nlook at more long-term,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.85,0:06:24.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the\Nbigger picture,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.01,0:06:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and although we may\Nbe losing money now,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.77,0:06:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could be earning it\Ngreater in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.64,0:06:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to look at it\Na bigger picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.44,0:06:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I really like your point about\Nthe water and the regulation of water,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.37,0:06:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I can remember that\Nfrom a few years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.18,0:06:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reason they\Nput that regulation in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.51,0:06:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was because the snowpack\Nwasn't there for that year.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.20,0:06:41.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not like it was a random year\Nwhere the government just said,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.61,0:06:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Start charging\Npeople for water."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.56,0:06:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's because the effect\Nof climate change--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.70,0:06:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the aspects of it is that\Nwe are not seeing consistent seasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.04,0:06:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I completely agree\Nwith a regulation that,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.14,0:06:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, limits\Nthe amount of water,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.21,0:06:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the amount of precious resource\Nthat we have, to consumers.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.90,0:07:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-A regulation\Na lot of us didn't like
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.44,0:07:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the cost of gas\Nwent up here in California,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.72,0:07:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we all had to have\Ncatalytic converters,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.53,0:07:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've all agreed\Nin this group
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.94,0:07:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're grateful\Nthat the air is clean
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.37,0:07:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it wasn't\Nwhen I was a kid,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.87,0:07:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't want\Nthose laws reversed
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.85,0:07:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we'd be back to the smog\Nwe had when I was a kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.41,0:07:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those regulations may not\Nhave been great at the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.67,0:07:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may not have\Nmade people happy,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.02,0:07:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've all learned to live with it,\Nand now we're grateful.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.19,0:07:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'd like to bring up my concern\Nabout China again.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.55,0:07:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On some days,\Nthe pollution levels in China
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.15,0:07:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be 10 to 50 times what they are\Nhere in southern California.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.04,0:07:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They simply assign their\Ncitizens to wear gas masks,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.41,0:07:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they take the jobs,\Nthe manufacturing jobs,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.25,0:07:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that used to be in this area,\Nhave now gone to China.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.38,0:07:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I might be missing it,\Nbut are you saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.17,0:07:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would rather have that\Nmanufacturing be in California,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.68,0:07:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we all wear\Ngas masks all the time?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.26,0:07:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that regulation\Nthat we have here
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.50,0:07:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes it expensive\Nto have manufacturing here
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.87,0:07:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what keeps us safe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.39,0:07:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is what\Nmakes it expensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.64,0:07:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No, I think you're\Nmisunderstanding me.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.25,0:07:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could bring\Nmanufacturing back
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.80,0:07:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like President Trump has done\Nin various parts of the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.41,0:08:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by just making\Nthe economics work.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.28,0:08:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can still\Nkeep the clean air,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.42,0:08:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we don't need to\Nkeep beating down.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.43,0:08:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of the\Nregulations now
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.11,0:08:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are more severe than\Nthey were 50 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.10,0:08:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what you need to do is talk to\Nsome of these businessmen
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.20,0:08:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are faced with this\Non a day-to-day basis.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.77,0:08:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[whoosh]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.29,0:08:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[moderator] "An eco-friendly\Nlifestyle is expensive."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.68,0:08:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[skeptics chuckling]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.70,0:08:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-We all know we're paying\Ntwice as much for gas
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.91,0:08:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the rest of\Nthe country.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.03,0:08:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pay an enormous amount for energy\Nin my little tiny one-bedroom condo.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.61,0:08:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wind and solar\Nhave been subsidized,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.66,0:08:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, I mean, we've already\Npaid a fortune for it all.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.61,0:08:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know, why not put some of\Nthese regulations to a vote?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.90,0:08:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of the EPA and all the rest\Nof these administrative arms
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.63,0:08:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,placing these\Nregulations on us,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.80,0:08:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking more and redistributing\Nmore of our wealth
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.68,0:08:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or more of our money\Nto pay for something
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.71,0:08:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're not even going\Nto use or benefit from.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.96,0:09:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[whoosh-tap]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.47,0:09:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-An eco-conscious lifestyle\Ndoes not need to be expensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.88,0:09:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are incentives\Nthat are built into our policy
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.22,0:09:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that encourage people to live\Na more eco-conscious lifestyle.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.16,0:09:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you have\Ncontrol over that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.46,0:09:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of things\Nwe don't have control over,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.55,0:09:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you have control over how much\Nyou're buying at a grocery store
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.13,0:09:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how much you're\Ndeciding to throw away.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.74,0:09:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And minimize that,\Nscale it back, in all regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.18,0:09:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In how far you're driving,\Nin the water, in the electricity,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.41,0:09:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all of the different sectors\Nthat impact climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.50,0:09:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have the decision to make\Nof how much you're going to use,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.14,0:09:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are direct cost savings\Nwith not being so wasteful.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.73,0:09:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'm also an\Nexample of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.78,0:09:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I drive an electric car,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.92,0:09:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not that hard in\NLos Angeles to get it charged,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.68,0:09:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the future it's\Ngoing to be much easier
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.46,0:09:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for more and more people\Nwho have electric cars
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.90,0:09:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially as the cost of internal\Ncombustion engines keeps adding up.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.30,0:09:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spend a tremendous\Namount of time
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.19,0:09:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recycling plastic,\Nrecycling aluminum,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.54,0:09:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and about every six months\NI go to the recycle yard myself
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.20,0:10:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it pays off very handsomely--\Naluminum is extremely valuable.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.15,0:10:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of small choices\Nand a lot of larger choices,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.88,0:10:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can make\Nthose choices quite easily.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.79,0:10:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, our entire yard is now\Nall drought-resistant plants.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.75,0:10:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That is your choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.96,0:10:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what you are talking about\Nis making choices for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.35,0:10:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Natalie] No, you can\Nchoose to keep using water,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.00,0:10:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're going to\Npay for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.41,0:10:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can choose to\Nstill have your green lawn.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.79,0:10:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one is coming around\Nand saying you cannot do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.74,0:10:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you are\Ngoing to pay for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.49,0:10:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Lookit, we can have\Na middle ground on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.10,0:10:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of people that\Nbelieve in these things
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.45,0:10:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are totally separate from\Nthe role of climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.02,0:10:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of these recycling and\Nenergy-efficiency policies are very good,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.13,0:10:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think most people\Nwould agree with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.14,0:10:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most of people\Nare trying to adhere to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.56,0:10:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what we're talking about,\Nagain, is the imposition,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.56,0:10:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you force people\Nto have drought-resistant lawns
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.71,0:10:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you force people to have\Nsolar panels on their roof.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.16,0:10:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't see any reason
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.39,0:10:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why people can't make choices\Nlike that on their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.98,0:10:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-When it comes down to it,\Nlike those choices we make,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.96,0:11:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we buy,\Nwhatever we vote on,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.74,0:11:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is-- doesn't have to\Nbe expensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.06,0:11:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what\Nwe're trying to do
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.50,0:11:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is prevent these costs\Nfrom getting bigger long-term.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.09,0:11:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I think we just simply need to\Nchange some of our choices
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.45,0:11:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be a\Nlittle altruistic.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.60,0:11:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[whoosh]
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.95,0:11:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[moderator]\N"I worry about our future."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.82,0:11:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes, I definitely\Nworry about our future.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.05,0:11:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something\NI think about a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.22,0:11:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I watch and because I work\Nwith the data from climate science
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.33,0:11:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all over the country\Nand all over the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.92,0:11:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I especially worry because\NI have three young sons.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.38,0:11:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them just has\Nhis birthday today,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.18,0:11:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm very worried that\Nthe planet they're going to inherit
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.46,0:11:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is already going to be much,\Nmuch more difficult to live on
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.06,0:11:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the one I inherited\Nor the one my parents gave to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.07,0:11:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-The Constitution Preamble--\Nthe last part of it says
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.51,0:11:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"to secure the blessings of liberty\Nto ourselves and our posterity."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.78,0:12:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm concerned about them\Nhaving liberty, having the freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.92,0:12:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people think that we\Ndon't have the right to choose,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.54,0:12:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,\Nhow we should live,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.13,0:12:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, because you want to\Nenforce your way of life on others.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.51,0:12:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I have four grandsons\Nthat I love more than life.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.85,0:12:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I fear for their future,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.33,0:12:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are going to be\Nliving in a socialist country,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.04,0:12:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is\Nwhat this leads to.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.10,0:12:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have a voice\Nin this state, at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.61,0:12:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.43,0:12:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I worry about the future because\NI have four nieces, a nephew,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.75,0:12:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd like to have a family\Nof my own someday and have kids,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.91,0:12:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I think about the future and how\Ndegraded the environment could be,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.12,0:12:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or how the amount of CO2\Nwe're putting into the air
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.45,0:12:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and greenhouse\Ngases increases,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.12,0:12:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm hopeful,\Nbecause I've found that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.100,0:12:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are people living in\Nway worse conditions than I am,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.21,0:12:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're full of hope,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.85,0:12:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they understand\Nthat they have choices
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.59,0:13:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can work hard to\Nmake a better life for themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.03,0:13:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know about you guys,\Nbut at least for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.52,0:13:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to make choices\Nthat improve the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.82,0:13:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improve the public health,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.21,0:13:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and leave this place better\Nfor the future generations.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.60,0:13:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[whoosh-tap]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.59,0:13:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Hi, Natalie.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.66,0:13:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Hi, everyone!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.51,0:13:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-[Keith] Natalie, where--?\NWhy is she--?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.64,0:13:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[all chuckling]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.84,0:13:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'm just, I'm not--\NI'm not in fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.22,0:13:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have made the choice\Nto not have children,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.77,0:13:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I honor that decision,\Nand we all have that choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.96,0:13:28.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't operate\Nfrom a place of fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.75,0:13:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A big question that I don't know\Nif we've addressed today,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.50,0:13:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if we ever\Nwill address,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.56,0:13:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is who takes responsibility for\Nthe impact that we're having,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.18,0:13:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we know\Nthat we have an impact.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.36,0:13:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just believe in\Nusing our purchasing power,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.79,0:13:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our political power\Nthrough our vote,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.85,0:13:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through supporting policies that are\Ngoing to create healthier communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.81,0:13:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basically doing\Nthe best that we can
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.69,0:13:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that we can continue to\Nenjoy our environment now
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.43,0:13:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for future generations.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.11,0:13:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Hey, everybody.\N-Nice to meet you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.75,0:13:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Thank you, Professor,\Ninteresting.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.87,0:13:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Good to meet you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.76,0:13:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Very nice, nice meeting you,\Nnice meeting you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.58,0:13:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Mother Nature, alright.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.87,0:13:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.90,0:13:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Nice meeting you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.67,0:14:02.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Hey everybody, thank you for watching\Nanother episode of Middle Ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.42,0:14:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Erin,\Nand this is Dan,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.87,0:14:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are both\NJubilee directors.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.63,0:14:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I think, you know, we obviously\Nhave our own beliefs
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.59,0:14:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we carry through\Nour own lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.27,0:14:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then when you are directing\Nan episode of Middle Ground,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.58,0:14:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's interesting is when you start\Nreaching out to cast members
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.80,0:14:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be in\Nthe episode.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.48,0:14:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You start talking from people\Nwho you actually disagree with.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.02,0:14:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't say it makes you\Nagree with them always,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.03,0:14:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you do empathize\Nand listen a lot more.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.72,0:14:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't just\Ndismiss it completely.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.98,0:14:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to see the human being\Ncoming with that opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.73,0:14:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well, if you guys\Nhave any thoughts
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.63,0:14:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what you've learned\Nfrom Middle Ground,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.58,0:14:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please comment below.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.95,0:14:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Be sure to follow us\Non Instagram.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.23,0:14:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's where you're\Ngoing to find out
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.36,0:14:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot more of what's\Ncoming up next in our videos
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.60,0:14:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as behind-the-scenes\Nstuff with us,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.02,0:14:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'd love to get to\Nknow you there.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.34,0:14:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, see you then.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.55,0:14:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ gentle music ♪]