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-In the reference of[br]landfills, okay,

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maybe you don't[br]have to pay for it now,

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but in 20 years[br]when they're full,

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you're still going to[br]end up paying for it,

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so why push that responsibility[br]onto someone else?

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-But don't you[br]think the citizens--

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-It's irresponsible.

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- --have a right to decide[br]if they want to go along with this?

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-I don't think that[br]citizens have the right

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to be wasteful more than[br]someone else.

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-My name is Don.

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I'm a professor of geology and a[br]professional climate scientist,

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have published in the field[br]for many years.

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-My name is Andrew.

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I studied environmental[br]science policy and management.

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I'm a consultant that specializes[br]in sustainable tourism.

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-My name is Natalie.

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I'm a local[br]government consultant,

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and I believe that anthropogenic[br]climate change is real.

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-My name is Michael.

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I'm the vice president[br]of a nonprofit

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that concerns itself with[br]the threats to western civilization.

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-My name is[br]Dr. James Enstrom.

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I'm a physicist[br]and epidemiologist

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and I'm passionate[br]about scientific integrity.

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-My name is Keith Hardine.[br]I'm a constitutional rights activist,

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and I'm concerned about the[br]future of the next generations.

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-{moderator] May I please[br]have my activists to the left

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and my skeptics[br]to the right.

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[dramatic whoosh[br]sound effect]

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-[moderator] "I believe global warming[br]should be our number one concern."

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-There's obviously a lot of issues[br]that our politicians deal with,

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and that, as a society,[br]we can care about,

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but if our earth is moving in a direction[br]to where our species cannot survive,

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then homelessness, then all of the[br]other issues that are out there,

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are going to be irrelevant,[br]because we won't have a place to live.

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-I agree that there are many issues[br]that are important at the local level,

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and we are not doing a great job[br]with a lot of things,

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but things like extreme droughts,[br]extreme heat waves,

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and devastating[br]hurricanes and tornadoes

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are going to make[br]life harder on us

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no matter where[br]we come from,

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no matter what our[br]economic background.

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-Really if you want to look at it[br]as an issue of health,

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I don't see why everyone[br]wouldn't be concerned

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and everyone wouldn't[br]be participating in ways

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to reduce the impact of climate change[br]or reverse global warming.

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[whoosh-tap sound effect]

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-No matter what[br]the United States does,

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it's not going to make an impact on the[br]worldwide greenhouse gas emissions

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as long as China and[br]other parts of the world

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are increasing the[br]greenhouse emissions.

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It puts the United States[br]at an economic disadvantage

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when we try to[br]transform our lives,

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and the other countries just[br]simply ignore these efforts.

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-The United States seems to be[br]the most held responsible

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for the global warming,[br]for doing something about it,

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and that's what[br]bothers me.

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You know,[br]we have a Constitution,

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and nobody ever[br]considers that Constitution,

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the importance of protecting the[br]natural rights of the individual,

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and I think global warming is[br]an infringement on those rights.

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When I say global warming, at least[br]the agenda of the political aspect of it.

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-I think it's time to[br]change how we live.

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I really do.

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Which we have seen[br]how changing our habits,

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changing the resources[br]that we use

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and what we[br]pump into the air

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and how we reversed[br]that hole in the ozone,

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we've seen how it can change[br]and we can change it,

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but we're going to[br]have to make changes.

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-Well, I don't believe that climate[br]change is our biggest problem

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because I don't believe that[br]man has anything to do with it.

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Climate has changed since before[br]man existed on the planet

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and will continue[br]when man is gone.

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-As a professional climate scientist[br]who's done this for 50 years,

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I'm afraid[br]you're not correct.

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The climate evidence[br]is very, very clear,

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and probably the[br]clearest evidence of all

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comes from ancient records[br]where we can actually see

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what the planet was like[br]before humans were involved.

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This is why climate[br]scientists, 99%,

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on almost every study[br]of climate scientists,

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shows that we're as unanimous[br]as the scientific community ever gets,

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and that this evidence is real,[br]and that it's happening,

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and it's happening on every scale,[br]from the ice caps to the ocean,

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every place we look,[br]we get the same answer.

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-No, I'm not a climate scientist,[br]but I know a lot of them,

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and I've heard exactly[br]the opposite argument made.

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Thousands of scientists,[br]just in the United States,

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signed a letter saying man has little if[br]any effect on climate, so that's clearly--

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-[Don] But are they all climate[br]scientists? That's the point.

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-[Michael][br]Oh, yes, they are.

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-No, actually doing climate[br]research and publishing in it.

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-Yes, they are.

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-I don't believe it.

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-[Michael] Yes, they are.[br][whoosh]

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-[moderator] "I know people who have been[br]affected by environmental regulations."

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-Yes!

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-[Don] Wow, everybody agrees[br]on this one. [chuckles]

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-I have a very good friend.[br]He is a trucker.

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He was able to be successful[br]and maintain a career for 40 years.

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He was stopped in that career[br]because of claims

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that his diesel truck was killing[br]people through the exhaust.

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There was a program in Los Angeles[br]called the Clean Truck Program

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that basically[br]put him out of work,

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because he couldn't[br]afford to buy a new truck.

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So this is the kind of environmental[br]regulation that hurts real people,

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especially here in[br]southern California.

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-I'll say also that many of[br]the people who own homes,

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they're not allowed[br]to water their lawns.

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Why? Because of environmental[br]regulation laws, which are suppressing--

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again, suppressing the[br]natural right to use water.

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-It seems like an underlying issue[br]with you guys is money, power, choice,

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and I grew up on a farm where[br]there was a lot of regulation--

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agriculture is[br]very regulated--

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and then eventually there was this[br]regulatory thing that came in

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called the conservation[br]reserve program

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where we had to convert[br]a part of our lands to prairie.

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At the time my dad was very angry[br]because we lost money from that,

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but that conservation area[br]also created a buffer

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between the farm fields and the water[br]to capture eroding soils,

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that it didn't go into the water[br]and decrease the water quality.

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So I think there's[br]certain regulations

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that we need to[br]look at more long-term,

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look at the[br]bigger picture,

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and although we may[br]be losing money now,

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we could be earning it[br]greater in the future.

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We need to look at it[br]a bigger picture.

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-I really like your point about[br]the water and the regulation of water,

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because I can remember that[br]from a few years ago,

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and the reason they[br]put that regulation in

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was because the snowpack[br]wasn't there for that year.

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It's not like it was a random year[br]where the government just said,

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"Start charging[br]people for water."

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It's because the effect[br]of climate change--

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one of the aspects of it is that[br]we are not seeing consistent seasons,

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and I completely agree[br]with a regulation that,

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you know, limits[br]the amount of water,

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the amount of precious resource[br]that we have, to consumers.

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-A regulation[br]a lot of us didn't like

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when the cost of gas[br]went up here in California,

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and we all had to have[br]catalytic converters,

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but we've all agreed[br]in this group

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that we're grateful[br]that the air is clean

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like it wasn't[br]when I was a kid,

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and we don't want[br]those laws reversed

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because we'd be back to the smog[br]we had when I was a kid.

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So those regulations may not[br]have been great at the time,

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they may not have[br]made people happy,

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but we've all learned to live with it,[br]and now we're grateful.

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-I'd like to bring up my concern[br]about China again.

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On some days,[br]the pollution levels in China

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can be 10 to 50 times what they are[br]here in southern California.

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They simply assign their[br]citizens to wear gas masks,

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and then they take the jobs,[br]the manufacturing jobs,

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that used to be in this area,[br]have now gone to China.

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-I might be missing it,[br]but are you saying that

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you would rather have that[br]manufacturing be in California,

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and that we all wear[br]gas masks all the time?

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Because that regulation[br]that we have here

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that makes it expensive[br]to have manufacturing here

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is what keeps us safe.

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That is what[br]makes it expensive.

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-No, I think you're[br]misunderstanding me.

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You could bring[br]manufacturing back

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just like President Trump has done[br]in various parts of the United States

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by just making[br]the economics work.

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So we can still[br]keep the clean air,

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but we don't need to[br]keep beating down.

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Some of the[br]regulations now

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are more severe than[br]they were 50 years ago,

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and what you need to do is talk to[br]some of these businessmen

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that are faced with this[br]on a day-to-day basis.

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[whoosh]

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-[moderator] "An eco-friendly[br]lifestyle is expensive."

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[skeptics chuckling]

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-We all know we're paying[br]twice as much for gas

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as the rest of[br]the country.

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I pay an enormous amount for energy[br]in my little tiny one-bedroom condo.

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Wind and solar[br]have been subsidized,

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so, I mean, we've already[br]paid a fortune for it all.

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-You know, why not put some of[br]these regulations to a vote?

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Instead of the EPA and all the rest[br]of these administrative arms

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placing these[br]regulations on us,

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taking more and redistributing[br]more of our wealth

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or more of our money[br]to pay for something

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that we're not even going[br]to use or benefit from.

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[whoosh-tap]

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-An eco-conscious lifestyle[br]does not need to be expensive.

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There are incentives[br]that are built into our policy

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that encourage people to live[br]a more eco-conscious lifestyle.

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Because you have[br]control over that.

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A lot of things[br]we don't have control over,

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but you have control over how much[br]you're buying at a grocery store

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and how much you're[br]deciding to throw away.

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And minimize that,[br]scale it back, in all regard.

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In how far you're driving,[br]in the water, in the electricity,

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in all of the different sectors[br]that impact climate change.

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So you have the decision to make[br]of how much you're going to use,

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and there are direct cost savings[br]with not being so wasteful.

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-I'm also an[br]example of that.

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I drive an electric car,

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and it's not that hard in[br]Los Angeles to get it charged,

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and in the future it's[br]going to be much easier

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for more and more people[br]who have electric cars

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especially as the cost of internal[br]combustion engines keeps adding up.

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I spend a tremendous[br]amount of time

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recycling plastic,[br]recycling aluminum,

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and about every six months[br]I go to the recycle yard myself

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and it pays off very handsomely--[br]aluminum is extremely valuable.

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There's a lot of small choices[br]and a lot of larger choices,

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and you can make[br]those choices quite easily.

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I mean, our entire yard is now[br]all drought-resistant plants.

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-That is your choice,

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but what you are talking about[br]is making choices for me.

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-[Natalie] No, you can[br]choose to keep using water,

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but you're going to[br]pay for it.

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You can choose to[br]still have your green lawn.

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No one is coming around[br]and saying you cannot do that,

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but you are[br]going to pay for it.

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-Lookit, we can have[br]a middle ground on this.

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There's a lot of people that[br]believe in these things

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that are totally separate from[br]the role of climate change,

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and a lot of these recycling and[br]energy-efficiency policies are very good,

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and I think most people[br]would agree with them,

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and most of people[br]are trying to adhere to them.

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I think what we're talking about,[br]again, is the imposition,

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whether you force people[br]to have drought-resistant lawns

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or you force people to have[br]solar panels on their roof.

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I don't see any reason

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why people can't make choices[br]like that on their own.

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-When it comes down to it,[br]like those choices we make,

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what we buy,[br]whatever we vote on,

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is-- doesn't have to[br]be expensive.

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But what[br]we're trying to do

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is prevent these costs[br]from getting bigger long-term.

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I mean, I think we just simply need to[br]change some of our choices

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and be a[br]little altruistic.

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[whoosh]

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-[moderator][br]"I worry about our future."

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-Yes, I definitely[br]worry about our future.

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It's something[br]I think about a lot.

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Because I watch and because I work[br]with the data from climate science

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all over the country[br]and all over the world,

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and I especially worry because[br]I have three young sons.

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One of them just has[br]his birthday today,

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and I'm very worried that[br]the planet they're going to inherit

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is already going to be much,[br]much more difficult to live on

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than the one I inherited[br]or the one my parents gave to me.

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-The Constitution Preamble--[br]the last part of it says

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"to secure the blessings of liberty[br]to ourselves and our posterity."

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I'm concerned about them[br]having liberty, having the freedom.

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Some people think that we[br]don't have the right to choose,

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you know,[br]how we should live,

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I mean, because you want to[br]enforce your way of life on others.

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-I have four grandsons[br]that I love more than life.

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I fear for their future,

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that they are going to be[br]living in a socialist country,

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because this is[br]what this leads to.

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I don't have a voice[br]in this state, at all.

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I have no voice.

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-I worry about the future because[br]I have four nieces, a nephew,

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and I'd like to have a family[br]of my own someday and have kids,

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and so I think about the future and how[br]degraded the environment could be,

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or how the amount of CO2[br]we're putting into the air

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and greenhouse[br]gases increases,

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but I'm hopeful,[br]because I've found that

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there are people living in[br]way worse conditions than I am,

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and they're full of hope,

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because they understand[br]that they have choices

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that they can work hard to[br]make a better life for themselves.

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I don't know about you guys,[br]but at least for me,

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I'm going to make choices[br]that improve the environment,

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improve the public health,

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and leave this place better[br]for the future generations.

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[whoosh-tap]

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-Hi, Natalie.

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-Hi, everyone!

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-[Keith] Natalie, where--?[br]Why is she--?

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[all chuckling]

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-I'm just, I'm not--[br]I'm not in fear.

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I have made the choice[br]to not have children,

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and I honor that decision,[br]and we all have that choice,

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and I don't operate[br]from a place of fear.

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A big question that I don't know[br]if we've addressed today,

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or if we ever[br]will address,

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is who takes responsibility for[br]the impact that we're having,

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because we know[br]that we have an impact.

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So I just believe in[br]using our purchasing power,

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our political power[br]through our vote,

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through supporting policies that are[br]going to create healthier communities,

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and basically doing[br]the best that we can

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so that we can continue to[br]enjoy our environment now

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and for future generations.

0:13:51.109,0:13:52.754
-Hey, everybody.[br]-Nice to meet you.

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-Thank you, Professor,[br]interesting.

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-Good to meet you.

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-Very nice, nice meeting you,[br]nice meeting you.

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-Mother Nature, alright.

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[laughing]

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-Nice meeting you.

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-Hey everybody, thank you for watching[br]another episode of Middle Ground.

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My name is Erin,[br]and this is Dan,

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and we are both[br]Jubilee directors.

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-I think, you know, we obviously[br]have our own beliefs

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that we carry through[br]our own lives,

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and then when you are directing[br]an episode of Middle Ground,

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what's interesting is when you start[br]reaching out to cast members

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to be in[br]the episode.

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You start talking from people[br]who you actually disagree with.

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I wouldn't say it makes you[br]agree with them always,

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but you do empathize[br]and listen a lot more.

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You can't just[br]dismiss it completely.

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You have to see the human being[br]coming with that opinion.

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-Well, if you guys[br]have any thoughts

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