1 00:00:11,744 --> 00:00:15,920 FIRELEI BÁEZ: In most power relationships, 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,120 you have the victim trying to solve the situation. 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 I don't want to create narratives of victimhood. 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,840 I want to flip it. 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,920 The freedom that I offer in each painting is in the mutable body. 6 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,760 In having bodies in constant transition, 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,400 it leaves it open for the viewer to shift ideas of power. 8 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,800 In that process, you shift the world around you. 9 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:57,840 That's where beauty can be subversive. 10 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:28,640 ["Firelei Báez: An Open Horizon (or) the Stillness of a Wound"] 11 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,000 If it were up to me, 12 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,800 I'd be a hermit in some mountain seascape, 13 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,480 [LAUGHS] 14 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,560 and I'd have my giant space with open windows, 15 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,840 and f*** it if rains comes in. 16 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:53,840 That's the dream. 17 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,205 [CHORAL SINGING] 18 00:01:55,205 --> 00:01:57,680 [Firelei's studio, The Bronx] 19 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,520 But I remember always making. 20 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,520 Maybe one time when I was six, 21 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,840 other kids would have me draw out these very fancy "mariquitas" for them. 22 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,440 I would have these elaborate ball gowns. 23 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,480 They would always have very intricate hair. 24 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,840 I was always dealing with the body. 25 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,720 My earliest childhood was in Loma de Cabrera, 26 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,400 which is right at the border of Dominican Republic and Haiti. 27 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,120 [ARCHIVAL VOICE OVER] --Should you go straight out 28 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,200 --from that southeast end of Cuba, 29 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,720 --you will come next to the second largest island of the romantic archipelago. 30 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,160 We would make all these assumptions of what it is to be someone from the Caribbean, 31 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,560 and when you fall outside that, then you can get something better. 32 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,800 One of the first reasons that I wanted to work on these paintings 33 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,320 was looking at some of the first scientific illustrations 34 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,080 of flora and fauna from the New World. 35 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:03,840 Looking at Carl Linneaus, 36 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,840 here is this guy who was the foundation of modern scientific methods 37 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,346 of observation and categorization. 38 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,273 But so much of his work was sheer nonsense. 39 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,240 It equated the New World Black and Brown body 40 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,920 with beastiality. 41 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,797 In telling of what the New World people were, 42 00:03:32,797 --> 00:03:35,181 you'd be next to cannibals and vampires-- 43 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,204 so, leaning into their already fallible vision 44 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,829 and making something new. 45 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,080 In reading my paintings of "ciguapas," 46 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,320 I'm asking the viewer to come to terms with their own feelings 47 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,968 around a woman's body. 48 00:04:00,425 --> 00:04:05,457 [Ciguapa: A mythological  creature of Domincan folklore] 49 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:08,360 The ciguapa is this trickster figure. 50 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,124 She is a seductress. 51 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,723 Someone will be lured by her and then  be completely lost and never seen again. 52 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,270 The description is so ambiguous. 53 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,080 It can be anything from a mongoose, 54 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,000 to the most beautiful woman, 55 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,240 to the most ugly woman. 56 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,887 The only certain thing is  that her legs are backwards-- 57 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,207 if you followed their footsteps, you  were going in the wrong direction-- 58 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,079 and that she has this lustrous mane of hair. 59 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,480 She was meant to be something  that made us so fearful 60 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,960 that we could be quiet for long  enough to be groomed into civility. 61 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,680 The normative tone of the story 62 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,120 is these are wanton female creatures. 63 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,400 They're hyper-sexual and they derail culture. 64 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,640 The understory is they are highly independent, 65 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,400 they're self-possessed, 66 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,880 and they feel deeply. 67 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,301 So who wouldn't want to be that? 68 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,120 What was exciting in using that image 69 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,680 was to be able to incorporate all  those things that were labeled abject-- 70 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,320 that were seen as unwanted-- 71 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,120 and reframe them as something beautiful 72 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,425 and with an eye of desire. 73 00:05:36,386 --> 00:05:40,000 ["Ciguapa Antellana," 2018, Harlem] 74 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,800 I recently went to my aunts, and she was like, 75 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,404 "You know, I never would have  thought you would be an artist." 76 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,840 She was the one who was raising us when I was about seven. 77 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,640 For her, she saw it as a  little bit of troublemaking, 78 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,880 because I'd be the one  trying to sew paper together 79 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,200 and getting my finger stuck in the needle. 80 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,000 Like sewing right through my finger. 81 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,160 But I was just like, "I want to bind my book." 82 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,213 "It's going to be the thing.  I'm going to make it perfect." 83 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,236 They did call me...I don't know if it  was "The Demolisher" or "The Hellion." 84 00:06:18,236 --> 00:06:19,034 [LAUGHS] 85 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,720 Whenever I imagine a painter, 86 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,880 it's someone who is very composed-- 87 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,559 kind of like a "lady painter." 88 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 But, I feel like a car mechanic. 89 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,101 My mom is a master seamstress. 90 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,160 She can make really beautiful things. 91 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,440 But she was so caught up in a 100-hour work week 92 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,741 that she always does things for bare function. 93 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,648 It makes for a lot of precarity. 94 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,080 So none of the things that you build tend to last. 95 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,880 I'm trying to break that cycle  and teach my nephews and nieces 96 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,040 to think of themselves as part  of longer cycles behind them 97 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,127 and long cycles before them-- 98 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,603 that every choice that we make is predicated  by the people we hope to love in the future 99 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,435 and the people we love in the past. 100 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,106 It's always within your grasp 101 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,301 to make something new. 102 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,915 It's exhausting, 103 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,325 but limitless.