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Men[br]0:03[br]dream of women[br]0:05[br]women dream themselves being dreamt of[br]0:08[br]men look at women[br]0:10[br]women watch themselves being looked at the[br]0:14[br]well[br]0:30[br]to[br]0:34[br]do[br]0:47[br]women constantly meet glances which act like news[br]0:51[br]reminding them how they look my homage minimum[br]0:56[br]behind the big runs you an email[br]0:59[br]sometimes the grounds the medium is the island[br]1:02[br]reflected back from a real man I'll[br]1:16[br]you[br]1:57[br]the[br]2:13[br]to[br]2:20[br]a woman is always accompanied except when 2011[br]2:24[br]perhaps even then[br]2:25[br]I had an image asylum[br]2:28[br]while she's walking across a poem weeping in the desert like[br]2:32[br]she cannot avoid the envisaging self walking[br]2:36[br]a weeping from the earliest childhood cheese torte and persuaded[br]2:40[br]to survey herself continually the[br]2:43[br]chance to survey everything she is everything she does[br]2:46[br]because how she appears to others and particularly hard it is to men[br]2:49[br]the is a crucial importance the[br]2:52[br]partisan only sort of success I'll[br]3:00[br]Don[br]3:05[br]0[br]3:06[br]do[br]3:07[br]do[br]3:10[br]0[br]3:11[br]E in[br]3:15[br]a woman in the culture of privileged europeans[br]3:18[br]is first and foremost site to be looked at what kind of site[br]3:23[br]is revealed in the average European oil painting[br]3:27[br]the reporters that women as a reporter's men[br]3:30[br]but in one category of painting women with the principal[br]3:33[br]ever coming subject that category was the nude[br]3:37[br]in the news that European painting we can discover some of the[br]3:42[br]criteria and conventions by which women would charge[br]3:45[br]we can see how women was seen what then is in you[br]3:57[br]in his book on the new would Kenneth Clarke says that[br]4:00[br]being naked is simply being without clothes[br]4:03[br]the new would according to him[br]4:06[br]is a former Oct I would put it differently[br]4:11[br]to be naked is to be oneself to be new food[br]4:16[br]is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself[br]4:21[br]a nude has to be seen as object[br]4:24[br]in order to be unused in the European oil painting[br]4:30[br]nakedness is not taken for granted as an archaic[br]4:33[br]Oct nakedness is a site for those who addressed[br]4:38[br]that is why man is painting which way to mark the end of the period I'm[br]4:41[br]considering[br]4:42[br]is so profound the comment on all the works which proceeded[br]4:45[br]the story begins[br]4:48[br]with the story Adam and Eve as told in Genesis and when the woman saw that the[br]4:54[br]tree was good for food[br]4:55[br]and it was a delight to the eyes and the tree was to be desired[br]4:59[br]to make one wise she took the fruit they're all and did eat[br]5:02[br]she gave also and her husband with her and he'd[br]5:06[br]and I is them both were opened and they knew that they were naked[br]5:10[br]and the Lord God called on to the man and said unto him[br]5:14[br]where art thou he said I heard my voice in the garden and I was afraid[br]5:19[br]because I was naked and I hate myself unto the woman[br]5:23[br]got said I will greatly multiply by sorrow[br]5:27[br]and I conception in sorrow that I shall bring forth children[br]5:31[br]and I desire to be to my husband and he shall rule[br]5:34[br]over the two things are striking about this story[br]5:41[br]they become aware being naked because[br]5:44[br]as a result to beating the Apple each sees[br]5:47[br]the other differently nakedness is created[br]5:50[br]in the mind of the beholder the second striking fact[br]5:55[br]is that the woman is blamed and is punished[br]5:58[br]by being made subservient to the man in relation to the woman[br]6:02[br]the man becomes agent of God in medieval art[br]6:08[br]the stories often illustrated seen following see[br]6:12[br]as in A Streetcar to in during the Renaissance[br]6:16[br]the narrative sequence disappears and the single moment[br]6:20[br]which is nearly always depicted is a moment shape[br]6:23[br]the couple left figleaves[br]6:27[br]or make a modest gesture with their hands but now[br]6:30[br]their shame is not so much in relation to one another as to the spectator[br]6:35[br]it is the spectators looking which aims them[br]6:38[br]later as painting became more secular[br]6:42[br]many other subjects offered the opportunity continues[br]6:46[br]but always in the European tradition the new[br]6:49[br]implies and awareness being seen[br]6:53[br]by the spectator they are not[br]6:56[br]naked as they are they are naked[br]6:59[br]as you see them[br]7:09[br]often as with the favorite subject Susanna and the elders[br]7:12[br]this is the actual theme a picture we join the elders[br]7:17[br]to spy on her she looks back at us[br]7:22[br]looking at a sometimes the woman suzanna[br]7:27[br]looks at herself in a pictured to herself[br]7:31[br]how men see her she sees herself[br]7:34[br]first and foremost as a site which means[br]7:38[br]site for men nice the Miller became a symbol[br]7:42[br]the vanity of women get the mail hypocrisy in this is blatant[br]7:46[br]you paint a naked woman because you enjoy looking at a[br]7:50[br]you put in there were in hand and you call the painting vanity[br]7:55[br]does Molly condemning the woman whose nakedness you have depicted[br]7:59[br]for your own pleasure and us incidently[br]8:02[br]repeating the biblical example by blaming the woman[br]8:06[br]the judgment of Paris[br]8:09[br]was another favorite mythological subject with the same in written idea[br]8:13[br]up man looking at naked women and judging Paris[br]8:17[br]towards the Apple to the woman he finds most beautiful[br]8:20[br]duty in this context is bound[br]8:23[br]to become competitive the judgment of Paris[br]8:27[br]is transformed into the beauty contest aesthetics when applied to women[br]8:33[br]are not as disinterested as the word beauty[br]8:36[br]might suggest I don't want to deny[br]8:42[br]the crucial part that see place in sexuality[br]8:45[br]but there's a great difference between being seen as oneself[br]8:48[br]naked or seeing another in that way at a body[br]8:51[br]been put on display to be naked[br]8:55[br]is to be without disguise to be on display[br]8:59[br]is to have the surface of one's own skin the has a one's own body[br]9:03[br]turned into a disguise a disguise which[br]9:07[br]cannot be discarded amongst the tens of thousands of European oil paintings at[br]9:12[br]Newlands[br]9:13[br]perhaps twenty 30 exceptions[br]9:16[br]paintings in which the artist seen the woman the field[br]9:20[br]as herself this rubin's[br]9:23[br]this rembrandt[br]9:30[br]this George 2.2 these paintings are as personal as love times[br]9:37[br]and that character is quite distinctive most you'd seen oil paintings[br]9:43[br]have been lined up by their painters for the pleasure[br]9:46[br]the male spectator owner who will assess[br]9:49[br]and judge them as sites that nudity is another former dress[br]9:55[br]they are condemned to never be naked with their clothes off[br]10:00[br]they are as formal as with their clothes on[br]10:05[br]those who are not judged beautiful are not[br]10:08[br]beautiful those who are are given the prize[br]10:12[br]applies is to be held that is to say[br]10:16[br]to be available Charles the Second[br]10:19[br]commission to this secret painting from Lee it's like hundreds of others[br]10:24[br]it might be Venus and Cupid but in fact[br]10:27[br]it was a portrait one of his mistresses Nell Gwyn it shows how passively looking[br]10:32[br]at the spectator[br]10:33[br]staring at her naked her nakedness[br]10:38[br]is not an expression happened feedings it is only a sign[br]10:42[br]a submission to his demand painting when he shows it to others[br]10:49[br]demonstrates the submission his guests in[br]10:52[br]him by contrast in another tradition[br]10:56[br]nakedness is a celebration active six your luved[br]11:00[br]as between two people the woman as activism and[br]11:03[br]the actions that each absorb the other[br]11:07[br]in oil painting[br]11:11[br]the second question or a second person who matters[br]11:14[br]is a stranger looking at the picture compared the expression[br]11:18[br]these two women when the model for what is considered a masterpiece by EIN[br]11:25[br]the other until paid model for photograph in a girlie magazine[br]11:29[br]of these two just the expression[br]11:36[br]look RTC it seems to me that in each pair[br]11:42[br]the expression is remarkably similar and his expression[br]11:46[br]responding with calculated charm to the man[br]11:49[br]whom she knows is looking at a although she doesn't know him it is true that[br]11:54[br]sometimes a painting includes a male lover[br]11:56[br]but the woman's attention is very very[br]12:00[br]directed towards him she looks away from him she looks out of the picture[br]12:04[br]towards he who considers himself a true lover[br]12:07[br]the spectator this painting was sent as a present from the Grand Duke of loans[br]12:14[br]the King of France the boy kneeling on the cushion and kissing a woman[br]12:18[br]is Cupid she's penis but the way her body is arranged has nothing to do[br]12:23[br]without kissing a body is arranged the way it is[br]12:26[br]to display it to the man looking at the picture the picture is made[br]12:31[br]to appeal to kids sexuality has nothing to do with her sexuality[br]12:35[br]the conventional not picking the half on a woman's body[br]12:39[br]helps towards the same and hair is associated with sexual part with passion[br]12:43[br]the woman sex or passion needs to be minimized[br]12:47[br]so that the spectator may feel that he has a monopoly[br]12:50[br]such passion there were paintings[br]12:54[br]which depicted male lovers sees that exist but they were mostly private[br]12:58[br]simi pornographic pictures in most paintings which were painted to be seen[br]13:03[br]rather than hidden the only rival to the male spectator[br]13:07[br]is a cupid how extraordinary it is[br]13:10[br]the pictorial symbol a passion was a small boy[br]13:14[br]for a similar reason women in the European onto the art painting[br]13:18[br]a seldom shown dancing they have to be shown[br]13:22[br]languid exhibiting minimum energy they are there to feed[br]13:27[br]an appetite not to have any of their own the appetite[br]13:32[br]was theoretically gargantuan[br]13:35[br]the absurdity of this male factory[br]13:39[br]although it was not seen as upset then reached its peak[br]13:42[br]in the public academic Oct at the 19th century prime ministers discussed[br]13:48[br]under paintings like this when one of them felt he'd been outwitted[br]13:52[br]he looked up for consolation[br]13:55[br]the new in European oil painting is usually presented as an[br]14:00[br]ideal subject it is said to be an expression from the European[br]14:04[br]humanists do it I don't want to reject entirely the truth to this[br]14:10[br]but I've tried to add to it starting off from a different viewpoint[br]14:14[br]dealer who believed in the ideal nude[br]14:18[br]sort to this ideal could be constructed[br]14:21[br]by taking the shoulders one body the hands of another[br]14:24[br]the best another and so on[br]14:28[br]was this humanist idealism[br]14:31[br]or was it was out have an indifference to who any one person[br]14:35[br]really was do these paintings[br]14:38[br]celebrate as we normally talked the women within them[br]14:42[br]or the mail wire[br]14:45[br]is that sexuality within the frame[br]14:49[br]or in front of it I showed the program[br]14:53[br]as you have seen it up till now 25 women[br]14:57[br]it began to seem absurd that the only images you were seeing[br]15:00[br]women silent newt so I showed it to them[br]15:04[br]and ask them to comment to comment not so much on the program but rather on the[br]15:07[br]questions raised by it[br]15:09[br]above all on the question of how men see women or have seen them in the past[br]15:14[br]and how this influences the way women see themselves today[br]15:18[br]we have an English course will happen image sensitive issue[br]15:21[br]image but I wonder how much[br]15:25[br]the sort of classical European painting[br]15:29[br]has shaped that image in my own case I find it quite impossible when I look at[br]15:33[br]the paint institution[br]15:34[br]your film I can take them seriously I cannot identify with them because they[br]15:39[br]are so immensely[br]15:40[br]exaggerated police you know the fasten home to some[br]15:43[br]secondary sexual characteristics release norms[br]15:47[br]Press great be to beastin bottoms and a huge things like that[br]15:53[br]and they just aren't real whereas with photographs[br]15:57[br]I'm you can you can feel that is potentially that's possibly me although[br]16:01[br]the it probably isn't but these these[br]16:05[br]nearly all the paintings you have shown I'll what is[br]16:08[br]called idealized am and therefore[br]16:12[br]they are to me very unreal in connection with[br]16:16[br]with any deep down image that I might have myself[br]16:20[br]and in connection with any deep down pleasure that I might have[br]16:23[br]in looking at another female body they don't give me that[br]16:27[br]engine tall can moms painting[br]16:31[br]but the on the they don't mean human beings to me[br]16:35[br]I'm the image that I compare myself with is the photograph[br]16:39[br]because it's with photographs that I've been encouraged to think for myself[br]16:43[br]this weight is essentially advertising me that's contributed to this[br]16:47[br]and consequently I find it extremely interesting to go back[br]16:50[br]and think newt's in this way because I've never done sir[br]16:54[br]having seen the film I have no doubt that the same thing plants[br]16:59[br]and do you find that they knew it in painting under the[br]17:02[br]in the same way yes[br]17:05[br]will you come get any information from it minute[br]17:09[br]snow guide to execute a one-time animation is lacking[br]17:13[br]oh well activity unit dynamism anything[br]17:18[br]it is has someone sees you in that something later[br]17:21[br]on I'm glad you showed them any picture[br]17:24[br]because I always find is extreme shocking[br]17:28[br]because the men address and women a naked[br]17:32[br]and he seems to be some the whole situation is a humiliating[br]17:35[br]position and women are will be[br]17:38[br]am and I think this is whole scheme teams and[br]17:42[br]at most people have had and something to nightmares about[br]17:46[br]lenses peaks nothing incidents[br]17:49[br]and this seems to me one and picked[br]17:52[br]I'm very interesting thing you said in the film was[br]17:55[br]about how nudity[br]17:58[br]was really a kind of disguise it wasn't the real person themselves and free[br]18:04[br]but it was just another comment wearing and worse than a garment in a sense[br]18:08[br]because[br]18:09[br]something that you can take off this comes I think[br]18:12[br]from nudity being combined with the polls[br]18:16[br]and that's inevitable if you're going to have a painting over model[br]18:20[br]bomb in a way[br]18:25[br]i think thats we're always dress always dressing up for a part[br]18:29[br]always on putting on a uniform of one kind or another[br]18:33[br]and I think women do this almost more than men have only begun doing he said[br]18:37[br]he recently[br]18:38[br]women are always getting to show the kind of character[br]18:42[br]what they want to percent the mother the working woman[br]18:46[br]the pretty young chick are and nudity[br]18:49[br]is a uniformed in a way for[br]18:53[br]I'm ready now for sexual pleasure you see[br]18:56[br]and so it doesn't YouTube you can't come you can't identify being nude[br]19:02[br]with being free only just recently read[br]19:05[br]that look eastward do which describes them[br]19:09[br]way in which room is reduced for sexy special mention[br]19:13[br]with to complete object and what struck me in all that[br]19:16[br]book as the most impressive image was the fact that[br]19:20[br]she was told that she was never[br]19:23[br]to touch her breasts to entirely clothes from a[br]19:26[br]all too close or to put her legs together[br]19:30[br]and so the whole point about her stance all the time with cheese available[br]19:35[br]and this the sense being available the senses waiting for other people[br]19:39[br]is the antithesis in action and[br]19:42[br]eat unit just like the home the book street be right there Smith[br]19:46[br]Tony hasn't run you know he's finished lotioning[br]19:49[br]and you feel this whole situation number when you talk to you say[br]19:52[br]I stay in seven nights a week waiting for somebody to rain[br]19:56[br]the concept availability implies facility because[br]20:00[br]if you simply want somebody else to act when you contact[br]20:04[br]yes it's is lack and you awake[br]20:07[br]when the man tapped mmm kisses him[br]20:10[br]rising and I'm made it an excuse to get yourself[br]20:15[br]I think you need to shine[br]20:19[br]there waiting[br]20:22[br]to him yes yes could I say something about narcissism[br]20:28[br]I think that both men and women old[br]20:31[br]but in different senses and I think that one[br]20:35[br]in sometimes I'd I have the impression[br]20:38[br]men and women no tremendously narcissistic concussion from each other[br]20:43[br]by their images themselves but it whereas the woman's[br]20:46[br]image herself is derived directly from other people[br]20:51[br]mirror you're talking about a man's image of himself[br]20:55[br]is derived from world that is[br]20:58[br]it's the world gives him back his image because he acts in it[br]21:02[br]and and women are drawn to him as a source[br]21:06[br]a central activity and as the[br]21:09[br]a salsa were me since he is in the world the fact she values her[br]21:14[br]is important and and so because they're supercenters[br]21:18[br]narcissus different and the woman's is essentially[br]21:23[br]only related to the other person she's much more passive position[br]21:27[br]mentioned yes do you see[br]21:32[br]you see narcissism essentially a and[br]21:36[br]a negative or positive well[br]21:41[br]i think thats very difficult to answer but[br]21:44[br]in the sense that which is related to identity[br]21:47[br]I'm it supposed to film and it seems to me that what women Indian men[br]21:53[br]the times they have sent to the identity that[br]21:56[br]there is it something in them which is important to them other them simply what[br]22:00[br]other people think[br]22:01[br]them and I think that that think is the product to their interaction with[br]22:06[br]world people and its so true[br]22:09[br]it's almost as if through this interaction actually build up a stall[br]22:13[br]all were sense it themselves[br]22:16[br]I'm which it which is a constant I mean it can't be lost[br]22:21[br]but because the woman doesn't go out a nap she doesn't create the store[br]22:25[br]she waits only for the present interaction[br]22:29[br]that and that can go that can just ended any moment[br]22:33[br]up[br]22:40[br]strap occur[br]22:43[br]classicism is he sold[br]22:46[br]paramount's way they[br]22:50[br]a should[br]22:54[br]but a.m. this[br]22:57[br]other question which is contained within it yes[br]23:02[br]and it is[br]23:06[br]this sort itself delight at the Perth[br]23:09[br]whether it's an all in[br]23:13[br]lie what they're doing relationships[br]23:17[br]with men or women and[br]23:21[br]it a thing met as Shin and is not only a kind[br]23:27[br]in a thing I which with it[br]23:30[br]but is it really after in by which[br]23:34[br]to gay in relationships with you know I'm context[br]23:39[br]well but you can't gain any other way bit[br]23:42[br]its when you have some have been made some countries[br]23:48[br]now yet you easily[br]23:51[br]naturally so compulsively girl to[br]23:55[br]whatever is going on you now we're not[br]23:59[br]child that 10 northern[br]24:02[br]with people to be on p with[br]24:05[br]mansions 3 this will you[br]24:09[br]girl a.m. her[br]24:12[br]and then only grant you as[br]24:16[br]on you make this kind[br]24:19[br]absolutely necessary[br]24:22[br]contact with people but I do think[br]24:27[br]that the soda essence[br]24:31[br]self tonight as kinda possible thing[br]24:35[br]in the modern world them something that fewer women have remained[br]24:39[br]and won't months is[br]24:43[br]the other compulsion not the[br]24:46[br]the compulsion to make[br]24:49[br]contact with the world as you are living in it[br]24:52[br]my said just me the people next door[br]24:56[br]print I simply pockets going[br]24:59[br]item[br]25:02[br]sure about the delight I think it's very HH thing[br]25:05[br]I'm I know as is for several reasons[br]25:09[br]I became aware film I have never consciously look at myself in the mirror[br]25:13[br]and see myself as I am[br]25:16[br]I only seen image that I want I know[br]25:19[br]my children notice it if I make up my face I put on them[br]25:22[br]question if I from adolescence on[br]25:26[br]if I see myself naked Miller not for metals naked I told myself is a new[br]25:30[br]and I think this campaign I G from having being tailed[br]25:34[br]major his culture his beauty[br]25:38[br]capital be and course up to a point from advertising[br]25:43[br]to much more the painting am[br]25:46[br]that you use you think the female body[br]25:50[br]is beautiful I am beautiful object if not I have to do something about it[br]25:54[br]am and therefore the painful part narcissistic[br]25:58[br]hitting the feeling inadequate see am[br]26:01[br]now this businesses always posing in the mirror[br]26:05[br]I think wonder absolutely automatically and without[br]26:08[br]is it if you actually catch shoot up in america[br]26:12[br]am by chance not deliberately because you didn't list[br]26:16[br]had a ball but because there's one in street you capture so[br]26:20[br]in in a shop window if the two men shot because in some ECU[br]26:24[br]as you are which windblown untidy[br]26:27[br]badly dressed tired and so on don't see the pose little[br]26:31[br]and I think this is what happens to women but they always trying to measure[br]26:35[br]up to the[br]26:35[br]erotic images projected[br]26:39[br]that are some paintings and I think[br]26:42[br]at this moment particular one painting where there's a woman[br]26:45[br]who is wary gone she's not nude but it is a garment sew[br]26:50[br]loose so comfortable so easy[br]26:55[br]and is my idea very much on of[br]26:58[br]of want a picture of a woman might be like[br]27:02[br]it I think it's actually before your period on this is so long ago and it[br]27:05[br]sits by Lauren city[br]27:07[br]it comes in the good and bad government its fresco it's very very old[br]27:11[br]you know and it is a picture of a woman we supposed to represent[br]27:15[br]peace it's quite extraordinary but she could be one[br]27:18[br]of the liberators are trying to the liberators young women[br]27:22[br]today she's at ease she is relaxed[br]27:26[br]she's not me any part at all she is[br]27:30[br]able to combine occasional thoughts[br]27:34[br]and was dreaming and she's she might spring into action[br]27:38[br]any moment and I for me[br]27:41[br]she she has much much more to do with[br]27:46[br]with with nakedness with oneself with the truth about himself and he number[br]27:50[br]youth C[br]27:56[br]on[br]28:04[br]and the third party way to seeing is here at the same time tomorrow[br]28:08[br]next tonight and you Graham Dixon is at the Tate Modern print exhibition by Max[br]28:12[br]Beckmann[br]28:14[br]0

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