1 00:00:00,895 --> 00:00:03,785 今時今日,有四千萬個美國人 2 00:00:03,785 --> 00:00:07,259 孭住一筆讀書債投身社會 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,193 佢哋屋企窮,要借錢讀大學 4 00:00:10,193 --> 00:00:14,509 而家夾埋嘅債務有成一兆美金咁多 5 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,998 呢班畢業生乜嘢工都要試 6 00:00:17,998 --> 00:00:20,457 為求還得清自己筆債 7 00:00:21,201 --> 00:00:23,013 喺美國 8 00:00:23,013 --> 00:00:28,804 連一個破咗產嘅爛賭二都翻身有望 9 00:00:30,221 --> 00:00:32,523 但完全唔使指意 10 00:00:32,523 --> 00:00:36,712 一個畢業生可以還清筆債 11 00:00:40,461 --> 00:00:42,695 以前响美國 12 00:00:42,695 --> 00:00:46,405 讀大學唔等於要負債纍纍咁畢業 13 00:00:46,999 --> 00:00:48,199 我朋友阿 Paul 14 00:00:48,199 --> 00:00:51,719 佢爸爸喺科羅拉多州立大學畢業 15 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,299 當年有退伍軍人法保障 16 00:00:55,546 --> 00:00:57,078 嗰個年代 17 00:00:57,078 --> 00:00:59,590 大學學費全免,又或者近乎零 18 00:00:59,590 --> 00:01:02,557 因為政府覺得大專學歷對社會有益 19 00:01:03,496 --> 00:01:05,322 但好景不常 20 00:01:06,171 --> 00:01:10,111 輪到阿 Paul 喺同一間大學畢業嗰陣 21 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:13,914 英文系畢業嘅佢,要做住兼職嚟還債 22 00:01:13,914 --> 00:01:15,315 卅年前 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,030 多數人都畀得起大學學費 24 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:21,426 你爭落嘅錢,畢業之前就可以還晒 25 00:01:21,672 --> 00:01:23,102 但好景不常 26 00:01:23,829 --> 00:01:27,223 輪到阿 Paul 個囡同樣步佢後塵 27 00:01:27,227 --> 00:01:28,528 唯一唔同嘅係 28 00:01:28,532 --> 00:01:31,044 五年前佢畢業嗰陣 29 00:01:31,048 --> 00:01:32,557 孭住成身債 30 00:01:33,179 --> 00:01:36,551 阿 Kate 同埋其他大學生都要借錢 31 00:01:36,551 --> 00:01:39,474 因為大學學費經已貴到 32 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:43,387 好多美國家庭都負擔唔起 33 00:01:44,427 --> 00:01:45,917 咁又點啫? 34 00:01:45,917 --> 00:01:48,725 借筆錢嚟投資一個貴價學位 35 00:01:48,725 --> 00:01:51,435 只要第日還到錢,就唔成問題啦 36 00:01:51,435 --> 00:01:54,859 有大學學歷,起碼有得賺多啲嘛 37 00:01:55,289 --> 00:01:58,009 但問題嘅癥結就响呢度 38 00:01:59,292 --> 00:02:03,158 連一個 2001 年畢業嘅人所賺嘅錢 39 00:02:03,158 --> 00:02:05,259 比起 2013 年畢業嘅 Kate 40 00:02:05,272 --> 00:02:07,407 仲要多出 10% 41 00:02:07,984 --> 00:02:09,134 所以… 42 00:02:09,779 --> 00:02:11,432 學費飆升 43 00:02:11,432 --> 00:02:12,979 津貼少咗 44 00:02:12,979 --> 00:02:15,260 家庭收入又縮咗水 45 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:17,882 個人收入微薄 46 00:02:18,241 --> 00:02:21,400 唔怪得有多過四分一嘅畢業生 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,857 連要還債都還唔到 48 00:02:26,072 --> 00:02:29,813 不過,最壞嘅時刻亦係最好嘅時刻 49 00:02:29,813 --> 00:02:33,841 因為啲事實就攞喺响你面前,唔理唔得 50 00:02:34,256 --> 00:02:36,802 今日我想講其中三個事實 51 00:02:37,571 --> 00:02:41,505 1.2 兆美金嘅學債 52 00:02:41,505 --> 00:02:43,934 明顯反映咗 53 00:02:43,958 --> 00:02:47,696 大學教育經已淪為一種消費品 54 00:02:48,283 --> 00:02:53,095 我哋講起教育就好似班資本家咁 55 00:02:53,095 --> 00:02:57,646 將教育當係投資,愛嚟增強人力資本 56 00:02:57,646 --> 00:02:59,821 訓練啲人出嚟做嘢 57 00:02:59,821 --> 00:03:04,535 愛嚟將啲學生按等級分類 58 00:03:04,539 --> 00:03:07,707 等啲僱主請人嗰陣容易啲 59 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,794 《美國新聞與世界報導》 公布大學排名嘅方式 60 00:03:11,818 --> 00:03:15,071 十足啲消費報告評估啲洗衣機咁款 61 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:18,858 份報告用詞粗暴到極 62 00:03:18,882 --> 00:03:22,047 叫啲老師做「服務提供者」 63 00:03:22,047 --> 00:03:24,360 叫啲學生做「消費者」 64 00:03:25,459 --> 00:03:29,374 社會學呀,莎士比亞呀 足球同埋科學呀 65 00:03:29,374 --> 00:03:32,149 呢啲冚唪唥叫做「服務內容」 66 00:03:32,798 --> 00:03:34,729 學業借貸好好賺 67 00:03:34,729 --> 00:03:36,923 不過賺嗰個唔會係你 68 00:03:37,741 --> 00:03:42,100 你嘅債務甚至養肥咗 成個學生借貸行業 69 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,507 呢個行頭其中兩條巨龍 70 00:03:44,507 --> 00:03:46,558 Sallie Mae 同埋 Navient 71 00:03:46,558 --> 00:03:51,794 公布上年總盈利一共有 12 億美金 72 00:03:52,568 --> 00:03:55,160 學生貸款正正同樓宇按揭一樣 73 00:03:55,164 --> 00:03:58,334 可以係捆綁式、套餐式同拆件式 74 00:03:58,334 --> 00:04:00,029 响華爾街出售 75 00:04:00,029 --> 00:04:01,895 啲大專院校 76 00:04:01,895 --> 00:04:05,609 投資呢啲證券貸款嘅時候 77 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:07,595 頭尾賺兩轉 78 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:09,256 首先賺你筆學費 79 00:04:09,256 --> 00:04:11,560 跟住賺你啲息口 80 00:04:12,528 --> 00:04:14,958 睇見盤生意咁好賺 81 00:04:14,958 --> 00:04:19,771 大家仲會奇怪嗰啲高等教育辦學團體 82 00:04:19,771 --> 00:04:23,055 點解會用啲失實嘅宣傳手段 83 00:04:23,055 --> 00:04:24,702 嚟推銷利誘 84 00:04:26,335 --> 00:04:30,990 藉教育嚟剝削緊乜都唔知嘅學生嗎? 85 00:04:32,144 --> 00:04:33,294 第三: 86 00:04:33,308 --> 00:04:35,347 學位經已淪為品牌 87 00:04:35,531 --> 00:04:38,092 當年我有個老師寫話: 88 00:04:38,116 --> 00:04:40,641 「當學生變成一班消費者, 89 00:04:40,641 --> 00:04:44,266 佢哋就會喺度盲追學位,鬥生鬥死。」 90 00:04:47,794 --> 00:04:51,989 正如蘋果不斷向人推銷新款 iPhone 91 00:04:51,989 --> 00:04:55,421 做教育嘅亦可以不斷向人推銷學位 92 00:04:56,387 --> 00:04:58,713 昨日嘅中學,變成今日嘅大學 93 00:04:58,713 --> 00:05:00,251 一早有人咁講過 94 00:05:01,168 --> 00:05:02,807 但點解要停喺呢一步? 95 00:05:02,811 --> 00:05:06,408 大學可以不斷招攬人讀文憑,讀完再讀 96 00:05:06,408 --> 00:05:08,688 再讀碩士學位、博士學位 97 00:05:11,436 --> 00:05:15,149 佢哋仲推銷專上教育係地位嘅象徵 98 00:05:16,634 --> 00:05:17,769 買學位 99 00:05:17,769 --> 00:05:20,770 同你買架凌志、買個 LV 一樣 100 00:05:20,770 --> 00:05:22,668 係買嚟抬高身價 101 00:05:22,668 --> 00:05:25,469 靠佢,你可以招人妒忌 102 00:05:26,669 --> 00:05:28,930 學位已經淪為品牌 103 00:05:28,930 --> 00:05:35,629 但係呢啲真相成日畀一片叫賣聲掩埋 104 00:05:36,365 --> 00:05:39,471 日日硬係有班政客 105 00:05:39,471 --> 00:05:43,226 喺個公仔箱度同我哋講: 106 00:05:43,226 --> 00:05:45,064 「大學學位好重要, 107 00:05:45,064 --> 00:05:48,411 有佢先可以扶搖直上、做到中產。」 108 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:52,552 通常理據就係專上學歷競爭力高: 109 00:05:52,552 --> 00:05:57,839 大專畢業比起高中畢業平均賺多 56% 110 00:05:58,425 --> 00:06:00,473 我哋再細心啲解讀個數字 111 00:06:00,497 --> 00:06:01,823 因為驟眼睇 112 00:06:01,847 --> 00:06:05,191 個數字好似喺度推翻緊嗰啲 113 00:06:05,215 --> 00:06:09,603 「大學畢業做收銀沖咖啡」 之類嘅新聞咁 114 00:06:10,545 --> 00:06:15,696 响 100 個有專上學歷嘅人裏面 115 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,768 45 個冇順利畢業 116 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:21,858 原因好多,財政困難係其一 117 00:06:22,245 --> 00:06:24,188 嗰 55 個順利畢業嘅人 118 00:06:24,212 --> 00:06:26,254 有兩個冇嘢做 119 00:06:26,254 --> 00:06:29,014 有 18 個搵唔到長工 120 00:06:30,058 --> 00:06:33,587 雖然大學畢業生搵得多過中學畢業生 121 00:06:33,587 --> 00:06:36,624 但究竟佢哋夠唔夠填嗰筆巨債 122 00:06:36,624 --> 00:06:39,435 同埋你讀書嗰陣冇咗嘅搵錢機會呢? 123 00:06:39,661 --> 00:06:42,257 依家連經濟學家都承認 124 00:06:42,281 --> 00:06:47,511 只有順利畢到業嘅大學生先還得哂 125 00:06:48,095 --> 00:06:52,127 而純粹係因為中學畢業生嘅薪水 126 00:06:52,151 --> 00:06:53,801 幾廿年嚟大幅縮水 127 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:57,258 咁多年嚟 128 00:06:57,282 --> 00:06:59,639 有高中學歷嘅人 129 00:06:59,663 --> 00:07:03,766 付出同收入唔成正比 130 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,385 若果佢哋可以賺返佢哋應得嘅水平 131 00:07:07,409 --> 00:07:11,362 咁讀大學對好多人嚟講肯定係蝕大本 132 00:07:11,386 --> 00:07:13,512 大學畢業生薪水嘅溢價 133 00:07:13,941 --> 00:07:15,835 我睇都係靠高中畢業生倒貼而嚟 134 00:07:16,235 --> 00:07:21,182 有三份二嘅大學畢業生發現 工作未如理想 135 00:07:21,756 --> 00:07:24,687 佢哋唔睇好前景 136 00:07:24,687 --> 00:07:26,637 或者直情覺得前途暗淡 137 00:07:26,637 --> 00:07:29,581 而正正係佢哋要去承受 138 00:07:30,541 --> 00:07:33,224 學債帶嚟嘅沉重負擔 139 00:07:33,882 --> 00:07:36,523 最心悒嘅係,正正係佢哋 140 00:07:36,583 --> 00:07:40,701 畀人最落力用學位升值呢個理由氹落搭 141 00:07:41,686 --> 00:07:44,413 咁嘅銷售伎倆,自私自利不特止 142 00:07:44,413 --> 00:07:46,167 仲係麻木不仁 143 00:07:46,987 --> 00:07:48,427 咁我哋做啲乜嘢好? 144 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:55,218 如果學生同家長都當學位係商品呢? 145 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:58,078 個個似乎都咁睇 146 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:00,682 買任何商品嗰陣 147 00:08:00,682 --> 00:08:03,471 你會要人哋清楚交代件貨嘅詳情 148 00:08:03,495 --> 00:08:04,750 你去買藥 149 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:06,649 佢會寫明有咩副作用 150 00:08:06,673 --> 00:08:08,689 你買件大學商品嗰陣 151 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:10,443 佢需要有張警告標籤 152 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:12,503 畀消費者有權揀 153 00:08:12,503 --> 00:08:14,242 知情下做決定 154 00:08:14,838 --> 00:08:15,924 你去買車 155 00:08:15,924 --> 00:08:18,528 佢會話你知每加侖預計跑到幾多里 156 00:08:18,528 --> 00:08:20,904 但冇人會預計到讀完大學 157 00:08:20,904 --> 00:08:24,326 譬如讀完科「加拿大研究」前景會係點 158 00:08:24,326 --> 00:08:26,835 真係有呢個學系㗎 159 00:08:28,589 --> 00:08:31,794 假如有個應用程式可以話個前景我哋知? 160 00:08:34,402 --> 00:08:39,500 計吓個學費同預期人工係咪成正比 161 00:08:39,798 --> 00:08:42,574 暫且叫個應用程式做 Income-Based Tuition 或者 IBT 啦 162 00:08:42,598 --> 00:08:44,120 係你哋其中一個人設計而嚟 163 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:45,327 (笑聲) 164 00:08:45,327 --> 00:08:47,569 正視返你嘅前途問題 165 00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:49,646 (笑聲) 166 00:08:49,646 --> 00:08:53,595 IBT 呢個應用程式有三個好處 167 00:08:55,232 --> 00:08:57,121 用戶可以知道 168 00:08:57,145 --> 00:09:00,789 讀完某某大學同埋學系,人工會係幾多 169 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:02,447 用家有咗呢啲資訊 170 00:09:02,471 --> 00:09:03,970 就冇咁易 171 00:09:03,970 --> 00:09:07,744 畀啲無良推銷員氹得掂 172 00:09:07,744 --> 00:09:09,524 同時可以揀得明智啲 173 00:09:09,524 --> 00:09:12,006 到時仲邊有人會交一筆 174 00:09:12,030 --> 00:09:15,276 高過預期人工 15% 嘅學費出嚟呢? 175 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,756 IBT 有第二個好處 176 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:22,740 透過顯示學費同薪金嘅關係 177 00:09:22,764 --> 00:09:27,185 大學管理層必須要運用新思維 178 00:09:27,209 --> 00:09:29,549 去妥善釐訂學費 179 00:09:29,573 --> 00:09:30,727 譬如 180 00:09:30,751 --> 00:09:34,751 大部份嘅學生不論學系,學費劃一 181 00:09:35,478 --> 00:09:39,845 呢個制度明顯好唔公平,需要改革 182 00:09:40,295 --> 00:09:44,216 工程系嘅學生通常用到嘅資源 183 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,649 譬如設施、實驗室、教職員呢啲 184 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:48,561 會多過哲學系嘅學生 185 00:09:49,581 --> 00:09:50,939 但呢班哲學生 186 00:09:50,939 --> 00:09:53,980 變相資助緊班工程系學生 187 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:56,991 第時人工高一截嘅工程系學生 188 00:09:57,015 --> 00:10:00,096 點解要兩個人買嘅貨一樣 189 00:10:00,096 --> 00:10:01,695 畀嘅錢一樣 190 00:10:01,695 --> 00:10:04,992 但其中一個淨係享用到 一半甚或三份一呢? 191 00:10:06,448 --> 00:10:10,519 事實上,某啲學系嘅畢業生 192 00:10:10,543 --> 00:10:13,887 拎緊人工嘅 25% 嚟還債 193 00:10:13,887 --> 00:10:16,490 但另一啲拎 5% 就得 194 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:22,216 咁學科收費合理啲就會消除呢啲不公平 195 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:25,201 當然啦,而家呢堆資料… 196 00:10:25,225 --> 00:10:27,299 我諗在座會有人走去搞㗎可? 197 00:10:27,323 --> 00:10:29,170 呢堆資料要有人整理好 198 00:10:29,194 --> 00:10:31,292 譬如交畀會計公司做審計 199 00:10:31,316 --> 00:10:33,268 避免畀啲統計數字呃 200 00:10:33,292 --> 00:10:35,257 統計大家都識㗎可? 201 00:10:36,466 --> 00:10:37,989 除咗正話兩個好處 202 00:10:38,013 --> 00:10:42,394 第三個,而且係 IBT 最大嘅好處 203 00:10:42,418 --> 00:10:47,381 就係令美國人唔使驚再陷入財困 204 00:10:47,381 --> 00:10:50,147 唔使再驚買咗件爛貨返嚟 205 00:10:50,813 --> 00:10:52,896 或者某個時刻 206 00:10:52,896 --> 00:10:55,404 新舊兩代嘅美國人重新發現 207 00:10:55,428 --> 00:10:57,479 正如頭先嗰位講者所講 208 00:10:57,479 --> 00:10:59,688 對知識嘅追求同熱愛 209 00:10:59,712 --> 00:11:01,149 開始學啲想學嘅嘢 210 00:11:01,173 --> 00:11:03,812 鍾意自己學緊嘅嘢,隨心而行 211 00:11:04,577 --> 00:11:07,046 深受知識所啟發 212 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:10,507 去探索自己渴望探索嘅事物 213 00:11:10,848 --> 00:11:15,298 望返轉頭,其實係阿 Eric 同 Kevin 214 00:11:15,322 --> 00:11:16,490 兩年前 215 00:11:17,498 --> 00:11:20,930 正正係呢一班後生仔 216 00:11:20,954 --> 00:11:22,976 佢哋鼓勵我,同我共事 217 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,561 到到而家 218 00:11:24,585 --> 00:11:28,561 依然落力研究緊美國呢個學生貸款問題 219 00:11:29,272 --> 00:11:30,803 好多謝大家! 220 00:11:30,827 --> 00:11:35,391 (鼓掌)