WEBVTT 00:00:01.182 --> 00:00:06.778 Today 14 million Americans are indebted for their passage to the new economy. 00:00:08.194 --> 00:00:10.307 Too poor to pay their way through college, 00:00:10.307 --> 00:00:14.649 they now owe lenders more than one trillion US dollars. 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.202 They do find what jobs they can get 00:00:18.202 --> 00:00:20.687 to pay off a debt that is secured on their person. 00:00:21.330 --> 00:00:23.537 In America, 00:00:23.537 --> 00:00:29.669 even a bankrupt gambler gets a second chance. 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:33.177 But it is nearly impossible 00:00:33.177 --> 00:00:37.382 for an American to get discharged [their] student loan debts. 00:00:40.604 --> 00:00:42.186 Once upon a time, 00:00:42.186 --> 00:00:43.390 in America, 00:00:43.390 --> 00:00:46.292 going to college did not mean graduating with debt. 00:00:47.593 --> 00:00:52.775 My friend Paul's father graduated from Colorado State University 00:00:52.775 --> 00:00:54.563 on the GI Bill. 00:00:55.999 --> 00:00:57.401 For his generation, 00:00:57.401 --> 00:01:00.248 higher education was free or almost free 00:01:00.248 --> 00:01:03.198 because it was thought of as a public good. 00:01:03.907 --> 00:01:05.486 Not anymore. 00:01:06.378 --> 00:01:10.558 When Paul also graduated from Colorado State University, 00:01:10.558 --> 00:01:14.406 he paid for his English degree by working part-time. 00:01:14.406 --> 00:01:15.520 30 years ago, 00:01:15.520 --> 00:01:17.439 higher education tuition was affordable, 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:18.435 reasonable, 00:01:18.435 --> 00:01:22.127 and what debts you accumulated you paid off by graduation date. 00:01:22.127 --> 00:01:23.464 Not anymore. 00:01:24.025 --> 00:01:27.425 Paul's daughter followed in his footsteps, 00:01:27.425 --> 00:01:28.725 but with one difference: 00:01:28.725 --> 00:01:31.167 when she graduated five years ago, 00:01:31.167 --> 00:01:33.087 it was with a whopping debt. 00:01:33.475 --> 00:01:36.750 Students like Kate have to take on a loan 00:01:36.750 --> 00:01:41.329 because cost of higher education has become unaffordable for most -- 00:01:41.329 --> 00:01:44.084 for many if not most American families. 00:01:44.594 --> 00:01:46.415 But so what? 00:01:46.415 --> 00:01:49.743 Getting into debt to buy an expensive education is not all bad 00:01:49.743 --> 00:01:51.715 if you could pay it off 00:01:51.715 --> 00:01:54.849 with the increased income that you earned from it. 00:01:55.465 --> 00:01:57.944 But that's where the rubber meets the road. 00:01:59.851 --> 00:02:05.352 Even a college grad earned 10 percent more in 2001 00:02:05.352 --> 00:02:07.852 than she did in 2013. 00:02:08.191 --> 00:02:10.033 So ... 00:02:10.033 --> 00:02:11.602 tuition costs up, 00:02:11.602 --> 00:02:13.112 public funding down, 00:02:13.112 --> 00:02:15.574 family incomes diminished, 00:02:15.574 --> 00:02:17.767 personal incomes weak. 00:02:18.368 --> 00:02:22.850 Is it any wonder that more than a quarter of those who must 00:02:22.850 --> 00:02:25.613 cannot make their student loan payments? 00:02:27.048 --> 00:02:30.188 The worst of times can be the best of times, 00:02:30.188 --> 00:02:34.066 because certain truths flash up in ways that you can't ignore. 00:02:34.589 --> 00:02:37.167 I want to speak of three of them today. 00:02:37.770 --> 00:02:41.661 1.2 trillion dollars of debts for diplomas 00:02:41.661 --> 00:02:44.086 make it abundantly obvious 00:02:44.086 --> 00:02:47.824 that higher education is a consumer product you can buy. 00:02:48.468 --> 00:02:53.200 All of us talk about education just as the economists do now, 00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:57.680 as an investment that you make to improve the human stock 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.142 by training them for work. 00:03:00.142 --> 00:03:04.693 As an investment you make to sort and classify people 00:03:04.693 --> 00:03:07.804 so that employers can hire them more easily. 00:03:08.460 --> 00:03:11.944 The U.S. News & World Report ranks colleges 00:03:11.944 --> 00:03:15.318 just as the consumer report rates washing machines. 00:03:15.318 --> 00:03:16.725 The language is full -- 00:03:16.725 --> 00:03:18.046 peppered -- 00:03:18.046 --> 00:03:19.118 with barbarisms. 00:03:19.118 --> 00:03:22.333 Teachers are called service providers, 00:03:22.333 --> 00:03:24.546 students are called consumers. 00:03:25.666 --> 00:03:29.491 Sociology and Shakespeare and soccer and science, 00:03:29.491 --> 00:03:31.836 all of these are content. 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.017 Student debt is profitable. 00:03:35.017 --> 00:03:36.434 Only not on you. 00:03:38.060 --> 00:03:41.765 Your debt fattens the profit of the student loan industry. 00:03:42.282 --> 00:03:44.665 The two 800-pound gorillas of which -- 00:03:44.665 --> 00:03:46.865 Sallie May and Navient -- 00:03:46.865 --> 00:03:51.889 posted last year a combined profit of 1.2 billion dollars. 00:03:52.730 --> 00:03:55.418 And just like home mortgages, 00:03:55.418 --> 00:03:58.374 student loans can be bundled and packaged and sliced and diced, 00:03:58.374 --> 00:04:00.325 and sold on Wall Street. 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.207 And colleges and universities 00:04:02.207 --> 00:04:06.247 that invest in these securitized loans ... 00:04:06.247 --> 00:04:07.894 profit twice. 00:04:07.894 --> 00:04:09.378 Once from your tuition 00:04:09.378 --> 00:04:12.254 and then again from the interest on debt. 00:04:13.330 --> 00:04:15.689 With all that money to be made, 00:04:15.689 --> 00:04:21.275 are we surprised that some in the higher education business 00:04:21.275 --> 00:04:23.305 have begun to engage in false advertising, 00:04:23.305 --> 00:04:26.803 in bait and switch ... 00:04:26.803 --> 00:04:31.098 in exploiting the very ignorance that they pretend to educate? 00:04:32.311 --> 00:04:33.921 Third: 00:04:33.921 --> 00:04:35.853 diplomas are a brand. 00:04:35.853 --> 00:04:38.313 Many years ago my teacher wrote, 00:04:38.313 --> 00:04:40.853 "When students are treated as consumers, 00:04:40.853 --> 00:04:44.283 they're made prisoners of addiction and envy." 00:04:48.017 --> 00:04:52.359 Just as consumers can be sold and resold upgraded versions of an iPhone, 00:04:52.359 --> 00:04:56.028 so also people can be sold more and more education. 00:04:57.490 --> 00:04:59.046 College is the new high school, 00:04:59.046 --> 00:05:00.538 we already say that. 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.079 But why stop there? 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.434 People can be upsold on certifications and recertifications, 00:05:06.434 --> 00:05:07.572 masters degrees, 00:05:07.572 --> 00:05:09.220 doctoral degrees. 00:05:11.611 --> 00:05:15.324 Higher education is also marketed as a status object. 00:05:16.826 --> 00:05:17.854 Buy a degree, 00:05:17.854 --> 00:05:21.123 much like you do a Lexus of a Louis Vuitton bag, 00:05:21.123 --> 00:05:23.042 to distinguish yourself from others. 00:05:23.042 --> 00:05:26.607 So you can be the object of envy of others. 00:05:26.963 --> 00:05:29.163 Diplomas are a brand. 00:05:29.163 --> 00:05:35.990 But these truths are often times hidden by a very noisy sales pitch. 00:05:36.662 --> 00:05:38.195 There is not a day that goes by 00:05:38.195 --> 00:05:41.931 without some policy guy sitting on the television 00:05:41.931 --> 00:05:43.449 telling us, 00:05:43.449 --> 00:05:45.423 "A college degree is absolutely essential 00:05:45.423 --> 00:05:48.140 to get on that up escalator to a middle-class life." 00:05:49.061 --> 00:05:52.870 And the usual evidence offered is the college premium: 00:05:52.870 --> 00:05:57.839 a college grad who makes on average 56 percent more than a high school grad. 00:05:58.492 --> 00:06:00.588 Let's look at that number more carefully, 00:06:00.588 --> 00:06:01.913 because on the face of it, 00:06:01.913 --> 00:06:05.215 it seems to belie the stories we all hear 00:06:05.215 --> 00:06:09.766 about college grads working as baristas and cashiers. 00:06:10.773 --> 00:06:15.720 Of 100 people who enroll in any form of post-secondary education, 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.117 45 do not complete it in a timely fashion 00:06:19.117 --> 00:06:22.183 for a number of reasons, including financial. 00:06:22.478 --> 00:06:24.349 Of the 55 that do graduate, 00:06:24.349 --> 00:06:26.467 two will remain unemployed 00:06:26.467 --> 00:06:29.439 and another 18 are underemployed. 00:06:30.440 --> 00:06:31.720 So, 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:33.921 college grads earn more than high school grads, 00:06:33.921 --> 00:06:36.913 but does it pay for the exorbitant tuition 00:06:36.913 --> 00:06:39.304 and the lost wages while at college? 00:06:39.897 --> 00:06:42.491 Now even economists admit 00:06:42.491 --> 00:06:47.622 going to college pays off for only those who complete it. 00:06:48.343 --> 00:06:52.429 But that's only because high school wages have been cut to the bone 00:06:52.429 --> 00:06:53.869 for decades now. 00:06:55.504 --> 00:06:57.491 For decades, 00:06:57.491 --> 00:06:59.926 workers with a high school degree 00:06:59.926 --> 00:07:03.943 have been denied a fair share of what they have produced. 00:07:04.782 --> 00:07:07.651 And had they received as the should have, 00:07:07.651 --> 00:07:11.697 then going to college would have been a bad investment for many. 00:07:11.697 --> 00:07:13.027 College premium? 00:07:13.027 --> 00:07:14.090 Eh, 00:07:14.090 --> 00:07:16.381 I think it's a high school discount. 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:21.547 Two out of three people who enroll are not going to find an adequate job. 00:07:21.756 --> 00:07:24.891 And the future for them doesn't look particularly promising, 00:07:24.891 --> 00:07:26.550 in fact downright bleak. 00:07:26.897 --> 00:07:30.630 And it is they who are going to suffer 00:07:30.630 --> 00:07:33.777 the most punishing forms of student debt. 00:07:34.225 --> 00:07:35.270 And it is they, 00:07:35.270 --> 00:07:36.697 curiously and sadly, 00:07:36.697 --> 00:07:40.100 who are marketed most loudly about this college premium thing. 00:07:42.257 --> 00:07:44.648 That's not just cynical marketing, 00:07:44.834 --> 00:07:46.181 that's cruel. 00:07:47.528 --> 00:07:48.944 So what do we do? 00:07:49.455 --> 00:07:54.888 What if students and parents treated higher education as a consumer product? 00:07:56.375 --> 00:07:58.209 Everybody else seems to. 00:07:58.766 --> 00:07:59.625 Then, 00:07:59.788 --> 00:08:01.228 like any other consumer product, 00:08:01.390 --> 00:08:03.294 you would demand to know what you're paying for. 00:08:03.735 --> 00:08:04.780 When we buy medicines, 00:08:05.036 --> 00:08:06.893 we get a list of side effects. 00:08:07.056 --> 00:08:08.960 When you buy a higher educational product, 00:08:09.146 --> 00:08:10.632 you should have a warning label 00:08:10.817 --> 00:08:12.930 that allows consumers to choose -- 00:08:13.116 --> 00:08:14.649 make informed choices. 00:08:15.183 --> 00:08:16.344 When you buy a car, 00:08:16.553 --> 00:08:19.246 it tells you how many miles per gallon to expect. 00:08:19.502 --> 00:08:20.802 Who knows what to expect 00:08:21.011 --> 00:08:24.935 from a degree say, in Canadian Studies. 00:08:25.260 --> 00:08:27.234 There is such a thing by the way. 00:08:29.300 --> 00:08:31.460 What if there was an app for that? 00:08:34.664 --> 00:08:39.935 One that linked up the cost of a major to the expected income. 00:08:40.446 --> 00:08:43.279 Let's call it Income Based Tuition or IBT. 00:08:43.488 --> 00:08:44.533 One of you make this. 00:08:44.835 --> 00:08:46.042 (Laughter) 00:08:46.251 --> 00:08:48.109 Discover your reality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There are three advantages, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 three benefits to Income Based Tuition. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Any user can figure out 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 how much money he or she will make from a given college and major. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Such informed users 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are unlikely to fall victim to the [Huckster's] ploy, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to the sales pitch. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But also to choose wisely. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Why would anybody pay more for college 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 than let's say, 15 percent of the additional income they earn? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There's a second benefit to Income Based Tuition. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 By tying the cost to the income. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 College administrators would be forced to manage costs better, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to find innovative ways to do so. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 For instance, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 all of you students here pay roughly the same tuition for every major. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That is manifestly unfair and should change. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 An engineering student uses more resources 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and facilities and labs and faculty 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 than a philosophy student. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But the philosophy student, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as a consequence, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is subsidizing the engineering student. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Who then, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 by the way, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 goes on and earns more money. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Why should two people buy the same product -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 buy the same product -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pay the same, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but one person receive half or a third of the service. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 In fact, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 college grads, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 some majors, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pay 25 percent of their income servicing their student debt 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 while others pay five percent. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That kind if inequity would end when majors are priced more correctly. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Now of course, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 all this data -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and one of you is going to do this right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 All this data has to be well designed, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 maybe audited by public accounting firms 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to avoid statistical lies. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We know about statistics, right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But be that as it may, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the third and biggest benefit of Income Base Tuition, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is it would free Americans from the fear and the fact of financial ruin 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because they bought a defective product. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Perhaps, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in time, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 young and old Americans may rediscover, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as the gentleman said earlier, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their curiosity, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their love of learning. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Begin to study what they love, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 love what they study, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 follow their passion. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Getting stimulated by their intelligence. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Follow paths of inquiry that they really want to. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 After all, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it was Eric and Kevin, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 two years ago, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 just exactly these kinds of young men, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who prompted me and worked with me -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and still do -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in the study of indebted tudents in America. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Thank you for your attention. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Applause)