1 00:00:01,182 --> 00:00:06,778 Today 14 million Americans are indebted for their passage to the new economy. 2 00:00:08,194 --> 00:00:10,307 Too poor to pay their way through college, 3 00:00:10,307 --> 00:00:14,649 they now owe lenders more than one trillion US dollars. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,202 They do find what jobs they can get 5 00:00:18,202 --> 00:00:20,687 to pay off a debt that is secured on their person. 6 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:23,537 In America, 7 00:00:23,537 --> 00:00:29,669 even a bankrupt gambler gets a second chance. 8 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,177 But it is nearly impossible 9 00:00:33,177 --> 00:00:37,382 for an American to get discharged [their] student loan debts. 10 00:00:40,604 --> 00:00:42,186 Once upon a time, 11 00:00:42,186 --> 00:00:43,390 in America, 12 00:00:43,390 --> 00:00:46,292 going to college did not mean graduating with debt. 13 00:00:47,593 --> 00:00:52,775 My friend Paul's father graduated from Colorado State University 14 00:00:52,775 --> 00:00:54,563 on the GI Bill. 15 00:00:55,999 --> 00:00:57,401 For his generation, 16 00:00:57,401 --> 00:01:00,248 higher education was free or almost free 17 00:01:00,248 --> 00:01:03,198 because it was thought of as a public good. 18 00:01:03,907 --> 00:01:05,486 Not anymore. 19 00:01:06,378 --> 00:01:10,558 When Paul also graduated from Colorado State University, 20 00:01:10,558 --> 00:01:14,406 he paid for his English degree by working part-time. 21 00:01:14,406 --> 00:01:15,520 30 years ago, 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,439 higher education tuition was affordable, 23 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:18,435 reasonable, 24 00:01:18,435 --> 00:01:22,127 and what debts you accumulated you paid off by graduation date. 25 00:01:22,127 --> 00:01:23,464 Not anymore. 26 00:01:24,025 --> 00:01:27,425 Paul's daughter followed in his footsteps, 27 00:01:27,425 --> 00:01:28,725 but with one difference: 28 00:01:28,725 --> 00:01:31,167 when she graduated five years ago, 29 00:01:31,167 --> 00:01:33,087 it was with a whopping debt. 30 00:01:33,475 --> 00:01:36,750 Students like Kate have to take on a loan 31 00:01:36,750 --> 00:01:41,329 because cost of higher education has become unaffordable for most -- 32 00:01:41,329 --> 00:01:44,084 for many if not most American families. 33 00:01:44,594 --> 00:01:46,415 But so what? 34 00:01:46,415 --> 00:01:49,743 Getting into debt to buy an expensive education is not all bad 35 00:01:49,743 --> 00:01:51,715 if you could pay it off 36 00:01:51,715 --> 00:01:54,849 with the increased income that you earned from it. 37 00:01:55,465 --> 00:01:57,944 But that's where the rubber meets the road. 38 00:01:59,851 --> 00:02:05,352 Even a college grad earned 10 percent more in 2001 39 00:02:05,352 --> 00:02:07,852 than she did in 2013. 40 00:02:08,191 --> 00:02:10,033 So ... 41 00:02:10,033 --> 00:02:11,602 tuition costs up, 42 00:02:11,602 --> 00:02:13,112 public funding down, 43 00:02:13,112 --> 00:02:15,574 family incomes diminished, 44 00:02:15,574 --> 00:02:17,767 personal incomes weak. 45 00:02:18,368 --> 00:02:22,850 Is it any wonder that more than a quarter of those who must 46 00:02:22,850 --> 00:02:25,613 cannot make their student loan payments? 47 00:02:27,048 --> 00:02:30,188 The worst of times can be the best of times, 48 00:02:30,188 --> 00:02:34,066 because certain truths flash up in ways that you can't ignore. 49 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:37,167 I want to speak of three of them today. 50 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:41,661 1.2 trillion dollars of debts for diplomas 51 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:44,086 make it abundantly obvious 52 00:02:44,086 --> 00:02:47,824 that higher education is a consumer product you can buy. 53 00:02:48,468 --> 00:02:53,200 All of us talk about education just as the economists do now, 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,680 as an investment that you make to improve the human stock 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,142 by training them for work. 56 00:03:00,142 --> 00:03:04,693 As an investment you make to sort and classify people 57 00:03:04,693 --> 00:03:07,804 so that employers can hire them more easily. 58 00:03:08,460 --> 00:03:11,944 The U.S. News & World Report ranks colleges 59 00:03:11,944 --> 00:03:15,318 just as the consumer report rates washing machines. 60 00:03:15,318 --> 00:03:16,725 The language is full -- 61 00:03:16,725 --> 00:03:18,046 peppered -- 62 00:03:18,046 --> 00:03:19,118 with barbarisms. 63 00:03:19,118 --> 00:03:22,333 Teachers are called service providers, 64 00:03:22,333 --> 00:03:24,546 students are called consumers. 65 00:03:25,666 --> 00:03:29,491 Sociology and Shakespeare and soccer and science, 66 00:03:29,491 --> 00:03:31,836 all of these are content. 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,017 Student debt is profitable. 68 00:03:35,017 --> 00:03:36,434 Only not on you. 69 00:03:38,060 --> 00:03:41,765 Your debt fattens the profit of the student loan industry. 70 00:03:42,282 --> 00:03:44,665 The two 800-pound gorillas of which -- 71 00:03:44,665 --> 00:03:46,865 Sallie May and Navient -- 72 00:03:46,865 --> 00:03:51,889 posted last year a combined profit of 1.2 billion dollars. 73 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:55,418 And just like home mortgages, 74 00:03:55,418 --> 00:03:58,374 student loans can be bundled and packaged and sliced and diced, 75 00:03:58,374 --> 00:04:00,325 and sold on Wall Street. 76 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,207 And colleges and universities 77 00:04:02,207 --> 00:04:06,247 that invest in these securitized loans ... 78 00:04:06,247 --> 00:04:07,894 profit twice. 79 00:04:07,894 --> 00:04:09,378 Once from your tuition 80 00:04:09,378 --> 00:04:12,254 and then again from the interest on debt. 81 00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:15,689 With all that money to be made, 82 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:21,275 are we surprised that some in the higher education business 83 00:04:21,275 --> 00:04:23,305 have begun to engage in false advertising, 84 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:26,803 in bait and switch ... 85 00:04:26,803 --> 00:04:31,098 in exploiting the very ignorance that they pretend to educate? 86 00:04:32,311 --> 00:04:33,921 Third: 87 00:04:33,921 --> 00:04:35,853 diplomas are a brand. 88 00:04:35,853 --> 00:04:38,313 Many years ago my teacher wrote, 89 00:04:38,313 --> 00:04:40,853 "When students are treated as consumers, 90 00:04:40,853 --> 00:04:44,283 they're made prisoners of addiction and envy." 91 00:04:48,017 --> 00:04:52,359 Just as consumers can be sold and resold upgraded versions of an iPhone, 92 00:04:52,359 --> 00:04:56,028 so also people can be sold more and more education. 93 00:04:57,490 --> 00:04:59,046 College is the new high school, 94 00:04:59,046 --> 00:05:00,538 we already say that. 95 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:03,079 But why stop there? 96 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:06,434 People can be upsold on certifications and recertifications, 97 00:05:06,434 --> 00:05:07,572 masters degrees, 98 00:05:07,572 --> 00:05:09,220 doctoral degrees. 99 00:05:11,611 --> 00:05:15,324 Higher education is also marketed as a status object. 100 00:05:16,826 --> 00:05:17,854 Buy a degree, 101 00:05:17,854 --> 00:05:21,123 much like you do a Lexus of a Louis Vuitton bag, 102 00:05:21,123 --> 00:05:23,042 to distinguish yourself from others. 103 00:05:23,042 --> 00:05:26,607 So you can be the object of envy of others. 104 00:05:26,963 --> 00:05:29,163 Diplomas are a brand. 105 00:05:29,163 --> 00:05:35,990 But these truths are often times hidden by a very noisy sales pitch. 106 00:05:36,662 --> 00:05:38,195 There is not a day that goes by 107 00:05:38,195 --> 00:05:41,931 without some policy guy sitting on the television 108 00:05:41,931 --> 00:05:43,449 telling us, 109 00:05:43,449 --> 00:05:45,423 "A college degree is absolutely essential 110 00:05:45,423 --> 00:05:48,140 to get on that up escalator to a middle-class life." 111 00:05:49,061 --> 00:05:52,870 And the usual evidence offered is the college premium: 112 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:57,839 a college grad who makes on average 56 percent more than a high school grad. 113 00:05:58,492 --> 00:06:00,588 Let's look at that number more carefully, 114 00:06:00,588 --> 00:06:01,913 because on the face of it, 115 00:06:01,913 --> 00:06:05,215 it seems to belie the stories we all hear 116 00:06:05,215 --> 00:06:09,766 about college grads working as baristas and cashiers. 117 00:06:10,773 --> 00:06:15,720 Of 100 people who enroll in any form of post-secondary education, 118 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,117 45 do not complete it in a timely fashion 119 00:06:19,117 --> 00:06:22,183 for a number of reasons, including financial. 120 00:06:22,478 --> 00:06:24,349 Of the 55 that do graduate, 121 00:06:24,349 --> 00:06:26,467 two will remain unemployed 122 00:06:26,467 --> 00:06:29,439 and another 18 are underemployed. 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,720 So, 124 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,921 college grads earn more than high school grads, 125 00:06:33,921 --> 00:06:36,913 but does it pay for the exorbitant tuition 126 00:06:36,913 --> 00:06:39,304 and the lost wages while at college? 127 00:06:39,897 --> 00:06:42,491 Now even economists admit 128 00:06:42,491 --> 00:06:47,622 going to college pays off for only those who complete it. 129 00:06:48,343 --> 00:06:52,429 But that's only because high school wages have been cut to the bone 130 00:06:52,429 --> 00:06:53,869 for decades now. 131 00:06:55,504 --> 00:06:57,491 For decades, 132 00:06:57,491 --> 00:06:59,926 workers with a high school degree 133 00:06:59,926 --> 00:07:03,943 have been denied a fair share of what they have produced. 134 00:07:04,782 --> 00:07:07,651 And had they received as the should have, 135 00:07:07,651 --> 00:07:11,697 then going to college would have been a bad investment for many. 136 00:07:11,697 --> 00:07:13,027 College premium? 137 00:07:13,027 --> 00:07:14,090 Eh, 138 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:16,381 I think it's a high school discount. 139 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:21,547 Two out of three people who enroll are not going to find an adequate job. 140 00:07:21,756 --> 00:07:24,891 And the future for them doesn't look particularly promising, 141 00:07:24,891 --> 00:07:26,550 in fact downright bleak. 142 00:07:26,897 --> 00:07:30,630 And it is they who are going to suffer 143 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:33,777 the most punishing forms of student debt. 144 00:07:34,225 --> 00:07:35,270 And it is they, 145 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:36,697 curiously and sadly, 146 00:07:36,697 --> 00:07:40,100 who are marketed most loudly about this college premium thing. 147 00:07:42,257 --> 00:07:44,648 That's not just cynical marketing, 148 00:07:44,834 --> 00:07:46,181 that's cruel. 149 00:07:47,528 --> 00:07:48,944 So what do we do? 150 00:07:49,455 --> 00:07:54,888 What if students and parents treated higher education as a consumer product? 151 00:07:56,375 --> 00:07:58,209 Everybody else seems to. 152 00:07:58,766 --> 00:07:59,625 Then, 153 00:07:59,788 --> 00:08:01,228 like any other consumer product, 154 00:08:01,390 --> 00:08:03,294 you would demand to know what you're paying for. 155 00:08:03,735 --> 00:08:04,780 When we buy medicines, 156 00:08:05,036 --> 00:08:06,893 we get a list of side effects. 157 00:08:07,056 --> 00:08:08,960 When you buy a higher educational product, 158 00:08:09,146 --> 00:08:10,632 you should have a warning label 159 00:08:10,817 --> 00:08:12,930 that allows consumers to choose -- 160 00:08:13,116 --> 00:08:14,649 make informed choices. 161 00:08:15,183 --> 00:08:16,344 When you buy a car, 162 00:08:16,553 --> 00:08:19,246 it tells you how many miles per gallon to expect. 163 00:08:19,502 --> 00:08:20,802 Who knows what to expect 164 00:08:21,011 --> 00:08:24,935 from a degree say, in Canadian Studies. 165 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:27,234 There is such a thing by the way. 166 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,460 What if there was an app for that? 167 00:08:34,664 --> 00:08:39,935 One that linked up the cost of a major to the expected income. 168 00:08:40,446 --> 00:08:43,279 Let's call it Income Based Tuition or IBT. 169 00:08:43,488 --> 00:08:44,533 One of you make this. 170 00:08:44,835 --> 00:08:46,042 (Laughter) 171 00:08:46,251 --> 00:08:48,109 Discover your reality. 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There are three advantages, 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 three benefits to Income Based Tuition. 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Any user can figure out 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how much money he or she will make from a given college and major. 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Such informed users 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are unlikely to fall victim to the [Huckster's] ploy, 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to the sales pitch. 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But also to choose wisely. 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Why would anybody pay more for college 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than let's say, 15 percent of the additional income they earn? 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There's a second benefit to Income Based Tuition. 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 By tying the cost to the income. 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 College administrators would be forced to manage costs better, 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to find innovative ways to do so. 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 For instance, 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all of you students here pay roughly the same tuition for every major. 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That is manifestly unfair and should change. 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 An engineering student uses more resources 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and facilities and labs and faculty 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than a philosophy student. 192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But the philosophy student, 193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a consequence, 194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is subsidizing the engineering student. 195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Who then, 196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by the way, 197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 goes on and earns more money. 198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Why should two people buy the same product -- 199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 buy the same product -- 200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pay the same, 201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but one person receive half or a third of the service. 202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In fact, 203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 college grads, 204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some majors, 205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pay 25 percent of their income servicing their student debt 206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 while others pay five percent. 207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That kind if inequity would end when majors are priced more correctly. 208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now of course, 209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all this data -- 210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and one of you is going to do this right? 211 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 All this data has to be well designed, 212 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe audited by public accounting firms 213 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to avoid statistical lies. 214 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We know about statistics, right? 215 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But be that as it may, 216 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the third and biggest benefit of Income Base Tuition, 217 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is it would free Americans from the fear and the fact of financial ruin 218 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because they bought a defective product. 219 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Perhaps, 220 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in time, 221 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 young and old Americans may rediscover, 222 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as the gentleman said earlier, 223 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their curiosity, 224 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their love of learning. 225 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Begin to study what they love, 226 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 love what they study, 227 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 follow their passion. 228 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Getting stimulated by their intelligence. 229 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Follow paths of inquiry that they really want to. 230 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 After all, 231 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it was Eric and Kevin, 232 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 two years ago, 233 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just exactly these kinds of young men, 234 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who prompted me and worked with me -- 235 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and still do -- 236 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the study of indebted tudents in America. 237 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thank you for your attention. 238 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause)