1 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,500 if we can have your attention we'll get 2 00:01:12,130 --> 00:01:18,040 started here welcome to our workshop 3 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:21,220 December twentieth meeting and start off 4 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:26,860 here with responses to the City Council 5 00:01:21,220 --> 00:01:30,130 and mr. city manager you had two 6 00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:32,380 questions all figures for answers for 7 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:34,150 both and first what question had to do 8 00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:43,420 with the municipal service center okay 9 00:01:34,150 --> 00:01:45,970 and you were acting service enterprise 10 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:48,369 which the answer is that there's a long 11 00:01:45,970 --> 00:01:50,649 narrative essentially the answer is that 12 00:01:48,369 --> 00:01:52,690 we've been finding in this area and 13 00:01:50,649 --> 00:01:55,770 regardless of what decisions are made 14 00:01:52,690 --> 00:01:58,090 about beautiful service center 15 00:01:55,770 --> 00:02:00,880 plaintiffs we covered all the doctor's 16 00:01:58,090 --> 00:02:02,030 letter remember will suffer inspector 17 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,250 generally in that 18 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:05,990 somebody it's an area that's ripe for 19 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:08,090 redevelopment and so the areas along 20 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:10,810 south east 14 along South East connector 21 00:02:08,090 --> 00:02:13,130 east to west through the area are 22 00:02:10,810 --> 00:02:15,950 appropriate areas for us to target our 23 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:18,290 activity you have on the agenda this 24 00:02:15,950 --> 00:02:19,940 evening one of the first purchases of 25 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:21,860 land down there so all of that would be 26 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:23,600 appropriate given our long-term 27 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:25,670 objectives for that area in terms of 28 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,230 economic development regardless of what 29 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:28,819 we do with municipal service in our 30 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:31,819 although our intentions are to pursue 31 00:02:28,819 --> 00:02:34,910 the service center concept as council 32 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:38,860 has directed the second question had to 33 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:41,720 do with a topographic map of the 34 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:43,940 flooding characteristics of the site 35 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,959 that we propose for municipal service 36 00:02:43,940 --> 00:02:49,280 center we have or will provide a copy 37 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:50,300 that to the mayor who's the one that 38 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,920 asked for it and there are copies 39 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:55,220 available for each of you if you'd like 40 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:56,840 to have it just let me know Eric wrote 41 00:02:55,220 --> 00:02:58,400 em that's all we have I think it'd be 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,019 great to have that I'd like to have a 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,880 copy of the map adeje like the others 44 00:03:00,019 --> 00:03:04,810 would too so if we share it with 45 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:08,750 everybody he'll be be great you know 46 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:11,000 okay next on our agenda bicycle master 47 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:16,910 plan I see mr. Tripp heading to the 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:18,530 microphone good morning Thank You mayor 49 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:19,910 pro-tem a halfie numbers of the city 50 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:22,430 council Don trip Park and Recreation 51 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:24,709 Director this will be the first time 52 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:26,150 you've seen this plan it's a 53 00:03:24,709 --> 00:03:27,980 collaborative effort of several city 54 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:29,930 departments it will be presented today 55 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:34,040 by Richard Brown who has been at our 56 00:03:29,930 --> 00:03:35,750 city parks planner that has been in 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,459 charge of trail system planning and 58 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:40,100 management development for the last 59 00:03:37,459 --> 00:03:42,470 several years and Gary foxit city's 60 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:44,269 traffic engineer the plan seeks to build 61 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:46,790 upon the city's extensive trail network 62 00:03:44,269 --> 00:03:49,579 by integrating the bicycle into the 63 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:51,680 city's transportation system just one 64 00:03:49,579 --> 00:03:53,329 final note for me at your seats you have 65 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,180 a folder looking like this there are 66 00:03:53,329 --> 00:03:58,430 several maps with this presentation that 67 00:03:56,180 --> 00:04:00,769 are a little bit difficult to read in 68 00:03:58,430 --> 00:04:02,930 the PowerPoint format so you want to 69 00:04:00,769 --> 00:04:05,829 take a look at those and with that I'll 70 00:04:02,930 --> 00:04:05,829 turn it over to Richard Brown 71 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:14,069 mayor pro-tem mahaffey members of the 72 00:04:12,129 --> 00:04:16,090 council richard brown park planner 3 73 00:04:14,069 --> 00:04:18,310 thank you for the opportunity to be here 74 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:19,630 to talk about a proposed bicycle and 75 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:22,570 trail master plan for the City of Des 76 00:04:19,630 --> 00:04:24,190 Moines this plan seeks to build upon the 77 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:25,930 city's extensive trail network and to 78 00:04:24,190 --> 00:04:31,210 integrate the bicycle into the city's 79 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:32,889 transportation system as I get started I 80 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:34,900 want to provide you a brief overview of 81 00:04:32,889 --> 00:04:36,430 what we're going to discuss today in the 82 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:38,590 past few years a series of council 83 00:04:36,430 --> 00:04:40,330 actions and policies has created a 84 00:04:38,590 --> 00:04:41,919 paradigm shift in how the bicycle is 85 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:44,800 treated and accommodated in the City of 86 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:46,360 Des Moines this proposed plan builds 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,820 upon the city's extensive trail network 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,460 and seeks to integrate the bicycle into 89 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:53,919 its transportation system the focus of 90 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:55,270 the plan is not the trail system but 91 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:57,130 rather the on street bicycle facilities 92 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:59,620 that connect the community to our trail 93 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:01,240 system and finally we'll look at are we 94 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:04,500 hip in the right direction and what are 95 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,500 the next steps and where we go from here 96 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,690 as I just indicated the city's extensive 97 00:05:09,340 --> 00:05:12,940 trail system is how we got to where we 98 00:05:10,690 --> 00:05:14,680 are today the roots of the Des Moines 99 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:16,780 Cheryl system date back to nineteen 100 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,720 seventy three with the construction of 101 00:05:16,780 --> 00:05:21,190 the Bill Riley trail the last 20 years 102 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,520 has seen a boom in the number of trails 103 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:27,340 constructed and connected together at 104 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,919 since those early beginnings in 1973 the 105 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:38,530 trail system has grown from 1.7 miles to 106 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:40,389 over 41 miles today this map shows trail 107 00:05:38,530 --> 00:05:43,389 development in Des Moines up to nineteen 108 00:05:40,389 --> 00:05:44,800 ninety the Bill Riley is the purple on 109 00:05:43,389 --> 00:05:51,010 the left and the neil smith and Pat 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:53,050 dorium are the ones on the right this 111 00:05:51,010 --> 00:05:53,950 map shows how the trail system in Des 112 00:05:53,050 --> 00:05:59,370 Moines and the surrounding communities 113 00:05:53,950 --> 00:05:59,370 has exploded as it was in early 2010 114 00:05:59,430 --> 00:06:07,720 trails are clearly important important 115 00:06:02,349 --> 00:06:09,460 to the residents of Des Moines a 2007 116 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,530 wreck Rachel recreational needs 117 00:06:09,460 --> 00:06:13,120 assessment and satisfaction survey 118 00:06:11,530 --> 00:06:15,219 revealed that trails where the number 119 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,550 one Park facility for the citizens of a 120 00:06:15,219 --> 00:06:22,310 Des Moines refer you to a handout in the 121 00:06:19,550 --> 00:06:24,620 folder that shows where trails ranked 122 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:27,340 among the priorities of citizens when 123 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:27,340 they did this survey 124 00:06:36,490 --> 00:06:41,300 over the past few years previous council 125 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,860 actions and policy have integrated and 126 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:45,320 accommodated the bicycle into the City 127 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:48,530 of Des Moines of the council goals 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:51,290 adopted in 2006 this proposed bicycle 129 00:06:48,530 --> 00:06:52,490 and trail map trail master plan most 130 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:55,040 directly relates to the city's 131 00:06:52,490 --> 00:06:56,450 sustainable green community goal that 132 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,030 includes a directive that des moines 133 00:06:56,450 --> 00:07:01,190 will offer safe reliable and convenient 134 00:06:59,030 --> 00:07:03,260 transportation alternatives that reduce 135 00:07:01,190 --> 00:07:05,960 the reliance on automobiles and parking 136 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:08,390 facilities the Complete Streets policy 137 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,640 is nearly two years old and has had a 138 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:12,830 huge impact on roads and left in the 139 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,360 City of Des Moines several roads now 140 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:16,820 have bicycle facilities including 141 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,340 Ingersoll Avenue the newly rebuilt 142 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:21,890 indianola avenue the brand new opened 143 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:23,870 southeast connector urbandale avenue the 144 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:26,360 newly rebuilt south east sixth street 145 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:27,530 and next spring 45th street south of 146 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,380 Grand Avenue will have bicycle 147 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:32,840 facilities this represents over 6 miles 148 00:07:30,380 --> 00:07:36,470 of Des Moines streets that now have 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,600 bicycle facilities on them this proposed 150 00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:41,830 bicycle master plan has many potential 151 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,830 benefits to the City of Des Moines 152 00:07:44,849 --> 00:07:50,020 among these benefits more bike riders 153 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:52,870 mean less air pollution and carbon 154 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:54,669 released into our atmosphere people that 155 00:07:52,870 --> 00:07:57,879 ride bikes are generally healthier and 156 00:07:54,669 --> 00:08:01,770 on street bicycle facilities can connect 157 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,770 people to places that our trails cannot 158 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:13,810 creating this plan has been a nearly 159 00:08:11,470 --> 00:08:17,350 18-month process that kicked off in July 160 00:08:13,810 --> 00:08:18,970 of 2009 the city hired Ulta planning and 161 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:21,580 design on a Portland Oregon to conduct a 162 00:08:18,970 --> 00:08:23,020 plan this started with a series of 163 00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:25,120 public input sessions at the main 164 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:28,930 library that concluded well over 100 165 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,940 people working from that input an 166 00:08:28,930 --> 00:08:33,520 advisory committee comprised of a group 167 00:08:30,940 --> 00:08:35,350 of citizens city staff and other 168 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:39,150 interested organizations worked with the 169 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:39,150 consultant to draft the proposed plan 170 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:48,910 the heart of this plan is a series of 171 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:50,770 goals that are summarized here they 172 00:08:48,910 --> 00:08:53,800 focus on several overarching themes 173 00:08:50,770 --> 00:08:56,590 including health and wellness increased 174 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,870 bicycle use economic development and 175 00:08:56,590 --> 00:09:02,220 fire environmental benefits and 176 00:08:58,870 --> 00:09:02,220 bicyclist safety 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,339 one of the major aspects of the plan is 178 00:09:12,459 --> 00:09:18,010 a proposed bicycle and trail on on 179 00:09:15,339 --> 00:09:19,630 street bicycle network you'll find a 180 00:09:18,010 --> 00:09:21,480 copy of this map in your folder it's a 181 00:09:19,630 --> 00:09:23,920 little bit hard to read up above here 182 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,140 but this proposed network includes a 183 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,820 series of facilities some of which are 184 00:09:26,140 --> 00:09:29,970 new to Des Moines and others that are 185 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:32,709 currently widely used around the city 186 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:35,050 the combination of existing and proposed 187 00:09:32,709 --> 00:09:36,610 bicycle and trail facilities seeks to 188 00:09:35,050 --> 00:09:40,630 integrate the bicycle into the city's 189 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:42,370 transportation network Gary Fox will now 190 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:48,160 take a few minutes to describe each of 191 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:50,670 these new facilities good morning Margot 192 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,959 I know it's hard to read this map but 193 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:54,730 the real image I want you to take from 194 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:56,320 this is think back on the map that 195 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:58,089 Richard had about where our trails are 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,040 and there were a lot of them in the 197 00:09:58,089 --> 00:10:02,260 downtown and out to the west and 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,300 northwest there's a few in the northeast 199 00:10:02,260 --> 00:10:07,420 corner and that's about it they're not 200 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:09,790 connected together there's more gaps in 201 00:10:07,420 --> 00:10:11,529 there are trails it's a great system but 202 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:12,940 there are many many gaps if you just 203 00:10:11,529 --> 00:10:14,589 look at this map without getting into 204 00:10:12,940 --> 00:10:16,720 the details of you see that this is 205 00:10:14,589 --> 00:10:19,180 represented all over the city there's 206 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,850 connections here that will get you from 207 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:23,949 all parts of town connect to those 208 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:26,490 trails that we have and then include 209 00:10:23,949 --> 00:10:29,470 some key additional links to the trails 210 00:10:26,490 --> 00:10:31,480 so how do we do that again as Richard 211 00:10:29,470 --> 00:10:34,360 said this is primarily on street so in 212 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,769 some cases it's pretty simple restrike 213 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,720 the streets is there you can just put up 214 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:39,790 signs designated so you can do some way 215 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,620 finding and find your way on it these 216 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:43,870 are the types of techniques that are 217 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:46,510 used to create the on street bicycles 218 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:48,250 bike facilities of course the first one 219 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:49,930 is the off street trails that's what we 220 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:52,779 have and there's some expansion of that 221 00:10:49,930 --> 00:10:55,449 to bring in the key connections but bike 222 00:10:52,779 --> 00:10:57,070 lanes bike Boulevard that's a relatively 223 00:10:55,449 --> 00:10:59,320 new term and we'll talk about that a 224 00:10:57,070 --> 00:11:01,839 little bit what those are cycle tracks 225 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,579 that's also very new I don't know that 226 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:05,740 there are any in the state Iowa directly 227 00:11:03,579 --> 00:11:08,320 but chair lane markings shoulder 228 00:11:05,740 --> 00:11:10,540 bikeways the simple sign bike routes and 229 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,209 then as you start to bring these things 230 00:11:10,540 --> 00:11:16,500 in that you need some additional 231 00:11:13,209 --> 00:11:19,830 amenities bicycle parking and other 232 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:21,630 other amenities like showers 233 00:11:19,830 --> 00:11:23,880 just a whole range of things start 234 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:27,870 getting added to the list to really make 235 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,760 it work hi doc well for those that 236 00:11:27,870 --> 00:11:31,380 commute to work right to work and then 237 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,720 you're sweaty so you need to stop a 238 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:34,710 place park your bike take a shower go to 239 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,300 work some of them have them in the 240 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:38,640 workplace and we actually need some 241 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:40,260 public ones so just those are the extra 242 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,090 amenities that will kind of go along and 243 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:43,830 fit in with as people really start using 244 00:11:42,090 --> 00:11:46,320 the bike as a primary form of 245 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:48,000 transportation again the off street 246 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,090 trails typically they're 8 to 12 feet 247 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,460 wide it's paved ad a compliant all that 248 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:57,180 stuff and generally they follow along 249 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:58,950 the rivers creeks and greenways and 250 00:11:57,180 --> 00:12:00,570 going back again to that image if we've 251 00:11:58,950 --> 00:12:02,970 got a lot of them but we got a lot of 252 00:12:00,570 --> 00:12:05,220 gaps the kind of a burning image in my 253 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:07,200 mind as to why we need to do this is for 254 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:09,690 a lot of folks to use that great trail 255 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,900 system we have they load their bike on 256 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:14,730 their car drive to a trailhead take 257 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:16,850 their bike off and then get a ride on 258 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:19,050 the wonderful facilities that we have 259 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:20,790 seems to me that makes a lot more sense 260 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,470 just get your bike out of the garage or 261 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:24,380 whatever get on it you can ride on your 262 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:27,630 local street and then pick up a 263 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:29,220 collector x boulevard or bike lanes or 264 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:31,050 something and then right and eventually 265 00:12:29,220 --> 00:12:32,340 get to that trail and and do the rest 266 00:12:31,050 --> 00:12:38,400 you're right or maybe you're going to 267 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:40,590 school or to work or shop and so again 268 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,320 the bicycle lanes typically it's a 269 00:12:40,590 --> 00:12:45,270 dedicated marked on the pavement the 270 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,820 image there is a nice picture that we've 271 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:50,190 taken there on ingersoll shows traffic 272 00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:53,430 there's trucks there's parking the bike 273 00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:55,260 lanes with a bike using it it really 274 00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:57,060 just carves out in the roadway 275 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:58,320 designates the places where the 276 00:12:57,060 --> 00:13:00,390 traffic's supposed to be and where the 277 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,790 bikes are supposed to be makes it work 278 00:13:00,390 --> 00:13:04,860 pretty well as Richard said we have some 279 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:07,890 existing locations here southeast 280 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:10,410 connector indianola east sixth those are 281 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:12,450 new construction relatively easy to 282 00:13:10,410 --> 00:13:14,060 build into it takes a little bit extra 283 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:16,680 of money to build the extra width but 284 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:19,320 relatively easy Cottage Grove was a real 285 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:21,690 simple restriping of that ingersoll's 286 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,150 will more complicated and controversial 287 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:26,040 with the additional things of parking 288 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:29,370 and buses on there but it can be fit 289 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,080 onto those kind of facilities urbandale 290 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:32,730 was a little bit challenging to 291 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,530 with residential parking but I think we 292 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:36,390 came to a good solution there east 293 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:39,810 walnut we have them and there hasn't 294 00:13:36,390 --> 00:13:41,160 been a lot of discussion about those so 295 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:44,100 we're off to a pretty good start but we 296 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,540 got long ways to go to expand at the 297 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:48,840 bike boulevards is kind of a new 298 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:50,790 treatment that really bites have shared 299 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,400 the street with vehicles for a long time 300 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:55,320 on bike routes but this really picked 301 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,890 something it takes a street that serves 302 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,450 as a good bike collector and then 303 00:13:57,890 --> 00:14:03,300 enhances it put some traffic calming 304 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:05,160 things in to help slow down traffic less 305 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:10,050 emphasis on the vehicular traffic and 306 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,940 more emphasis on the bicycle traffic may 307 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:13,590 one of the main things that may need to 308 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:16,110 happen with a bike Boulevard is as you 309 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:17,910 get to crossing major streets collector 310 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:21,630 and arterial streets there may need to 311 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:24,420 be some additional facilities built or 312 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:26,940 bite detectors just a variety of things 313 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:29,370 to help the bikes easily get across the 314 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:31,520 really busy and heavy streets just a 315 00:14:29,370 --> 00:14:33,720 variety of things air enters there's no 316 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,000 one-size-fits-all they've got to be 317 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,620 really designed particularly to the 318 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:44,670 circumstances of the individual Road 319 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:46,770 cycle tracks it's really it when you see 320 00:14:44,670 --> 00:14:48,780 this and it's kind of colored pavement 321 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:50,550 it's in a sidewalk that's one type of 322 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:52,620 cycle track it doesn't really have to be 323 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:54,450 that I think a sense of the the key 324 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:57,030 element that differentiates that from a 325 00:14:54,450 --> 00:14:58,740 bike lane is it puts the the bicycle 326 00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:01,140 lane on the other side of the park 327 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:03,360 vehicles like on ingersoll the park 328 00:15:01,140 --> 00:15:05,430 vehicles are right by the curb where the 329 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,140 businesses are the bike lane is between 330 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:09,480 the park vehicles and the moving traffic 331 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:11,850 on a cycle track under certain 332 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,340 circumstances kind of makes sense if you 333 00:15:11,850 --> 00:15:16,500 can take a lane of traffic out have the 334 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:18,420 park cars adjacent to the moving traffic 335 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:20,610 and then there's a bike lane between the 336 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:22,860 pedestrians and the park cars well bit 337 00:15:20,610 --> 00:15:24,360 safer for the bicycles don't know that 338 00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:25,890 there's a lot of places that this will 339 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,630 apply but again that's one of the 340 00:15:25,890 --> 00:15:29,340 techniques and there may be some areas 341 00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:30,960 where that's a better solution than 342 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:36,330 simply put in the bike lane on the 343 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:38,220 traffic side of park vehicles and shared 344 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:40,800 lane markings a fairly simple treatment 345 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:42,870 pretty similar to bike lanes but there 346 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,379 are some real specific standards that 347 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:45,299 you have to 348 00:15:43,379 --> 00:15:46,859 to designate bike lanes on the street 349 00:15:45,299 --> 00:15:49,019 sometimes if you have a little bit less 350 00:15:46,859 --> 00:15:51,539 width and that rather than just give up 351 00:15:49,019 --> 00:15:53,609 and not be able to do anything you can 352 00:15:51,539 --> 00:15:55,559 mark it's called shero's is this bike 353 00:15:53,609 --> 00:15:57,839 symbol with the chevron arrows in the 354 00:15:55,559 --> 00:15:59,489 front of it it's ash arrow indicating 355 00:15:57,839 --> 00:16:02,069 that the bikes and the vehicle share the 356 00:15:59,489 --> 00:16:03,989 road this is kind of the area that that 357 00:16:02,069 --> 00:16:05,849 bike should ride pretty much right over 358 00:16:03,989 --> 00:16:07,619 the symbol and through the shero's it 359 00:16:05,849 --> 00:16:09,179 positions them far enough away from 360 00:16:07,619 --> 00:16:11,059 parked vehicles that they're a little 361 00:16:09,179 --> 00:16:13,199 bit out of the door opening zone and 362 00:16:11,059 --> 00:16:15,539 rather than wander all over the street 363 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:16,979 in front of traffic it's again sort of 364 00:16:15,539 --> 00:16:18,929 designates the preferred area for the 365 00:16:16,979 --> 00:16:21,889 bicyclists of the bikes and the motorist 366 00:16:18,929 --> 00:16:24,509 can share the road a little bit easier 367 00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:27,209 shoulder bike way it's really kind of 368 00:16:24,509 --> 00:16:29,669 the rural version of bike lanes pretty 369 00:16:27,209 --> 00:16:31,759 simple to do we don't have a lot of 370 00:16:29,669 --> 00:16:33,629 applications for that in an urban area 371 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:35,759 but where there's the open ditch 372 00:16:33,629 --> 00:16:38,279 drainage a four foot paved shoulders 373 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:40,259 adequate with them for bicycles to ride 374 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:42,419 on an area that's outside the normal 375 00:16:40,259 --> 00:16:44,039 traffic lanes we do have a couple of 376 00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:46,979 them with Paige shoulders they're not 377 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:49,139 designated bikeways yet but they're 378 00:16:46,979 --> 00:16:52,109 proposed to being corporated into the 379 00:16:49,139 --> 00:16:54,569 plan on East Army Post Road and in 380 00:16:52,109 --> 00:16:56,879 Broadway Avenue and again under certain 381 00:16:54,569 --> 00:16:58,829 circumstances that may be a real simple 382 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:02,069 and cost-effective solution to put the 383 00:16:58,829 --> 00:17:03,869 bike facility on the roadway the 384 00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:06,659 simplest and lowest level of treatment 385 00:17:03,869 --> 00:17:09,600 is assigned bike routes we've had signed 386 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:11,189 bike routes around the city for longer 387 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,959 than I've been with the city so I know 388 00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:15,419 that's quite a long time more than 30 389 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:17,279 years they've not had a lot of attention 390 00:17:15,419 --> 00:17:19,829 it's really simple and basic probably 391 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:22,019 some signs missing the thing that the 392 00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:23,879 that the master plan talks about adding 393 00:17:22,019 --> 00:17:25,620 on us some additional wayfinding 394 00:17:23,879 --> 00:17:27,899 information how far is it to some 395 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:29,279 destinations where our destinations on 396 00:17:27,899 --> 00:17:32,190 this other than there's just being a 397 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:34,200 bike route and follow along some 398 00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:36,269 additional information has shown an 399 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,429 example the waterfront park or Community 400 00:17:36,269 --> 00:17:41,340 College those kind of things so very 401 00:17:38,429 --> 00:17:43,500 helpful we have some of the routes that 402 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:45,059 are currently bike routes or appropriate 403 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:47,580 that way that signing just needs to be 404 00:17:45,059 --> 00:17:50,429 improved and adds some of this to it so 405 00:17:47,580 --> 00:17:53,789 that's a very simple and low-cost way to 406 00:17:50,429 --> 00:17:57,119 have the bikes in the vehicle share the 407 00:17:53,789 --> 00:17:57,510 street and again as we mentioned bicycle 408 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,370 park 409 00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:01,230 as you start to have this and 410 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:03,180 particularly people use it for shopping 411 00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:05,760 and commuter trips to work you need a 412 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:09,180 place to park your bicycle when you get 413 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,380 there and both short and long term if 414 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:11,940 somebody's riding to work they need a 415 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:14,900 place to park their bike all day long 416 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:17,250 and if they're just going short time to 417 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:20,550 shopping a little bit they may need part 418 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:22,050 for 15 or 20 minutes location style is 419 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:25,160 really a key to success there's a 420 00:18:22,050 --> 00:18:29,550 variety of things you can attach it to 421 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,900 posts different things what some people 422 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:32,520 have very expensive bikes and they 423 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:34,440 really want to put it in a secure Locker 424 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,940 protect it from the elements protect it 425 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,860 from somebody vandalizing or stealing 426 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:41,100 their bike so you need a variety of 427 00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:44,100 things in the downtown area now we've 428 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:45,450 installed about 600 racks not just in 429 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:47,240 the downtown a lot of it in the downtown 430 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:49,440 but also starting to spread out 431 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,880 ingersoll one of the follow-ups as we 432 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,040 got the bike lanes on there and the 433 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,780 acceptance of bicyclists out there some 434 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,280 of the businesses were asking for some 435 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:57,810 help and getting some bike parking 436 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,580 doesn't need to be a whole lot of it but 437 00:18:57,810 --> 00:19:01,230 they recognize they've got bicycle 438 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:04,170 customers and so they want that amenity 439 00:19:01,230 --> 00:19:08,550 have a few bike parking spaces right by 440 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:11,460 their business think that was is that 441 00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:13,910 the last one ature do yep now back to 442 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:13,910 Richard 443 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:19,200 thanks Gary as you see with so many 444 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:21,450 different bicycle facilities proposed 445 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,860 for areas across the city the advisory 446 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:26,070 committee felt was important to 447 00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:27,330 highlight three priority projects for 448 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:29,130 implementation that could have the 449 00:19:27,330 --> 00:19:30,630 biggest implement or have the biggest 450 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:32,940 impact coming out of the gate for 451 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:34,080 implementation of this plan I will 452 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:36,299 briefly describe each of these three 453 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,159 projects to you and I will refer you to 454 00:19:36,299 --> 00:19:43,169 maps in your folder that has a little 455 00:19:38,159 --> 00:19:45,059 bit more detail in each one of them the 456 00:19:43,169 --> 00:19:46,649 first priority is a series of proposed 457 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:49,080 bicycle facilities in downtown Des 458 00:19:46,649 --> 00:19:52,289 Moines some of these facilities include 459 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,690 bike lanes shared lane markings also 460 00:19:52,289 --> 00:19:57,809 known as the cheryl cycle tracks and 461 00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:59,669 bicycle boulevards this combination of 462 00:19:57,809 --> 00:20:01,500 the on street bicycle facility seeks to 463 00:19:59,669 --> 00:20:03,240 connect the downtown to the existing 464 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:06,029 trail and bicycle facilities on the edge 465 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,669 of downtown currently most of our trails 466 00:20:06,029 --> 00:20:11,610 connect to the edges of downtown but do 467 00:20:08,669 --> 00:20:14,009 not penetrate into the downtown area it 468 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:15,690 also proposes to connect these on street 469 00:20:14,009 --> 00:20:20,120 bicycle facilities to the new transit 470 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:20,120 hub being constructed for dart buses 471 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:33,430 the second priority facility is a 472 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,110 bicycle bowl of our proposed for 473 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:37,540 Southwest fourteenth Street on des 474 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:39,460 moines southwest side southwest 475 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:41,740 fourteenth Street parallels both fluer 476 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:43,270 and Southwest ninth street but only 477 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:45,730 carries a fraction of the traffic that 478 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:47,470 these two arterial streets do it makes 479 00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:50,470 it a perfect an ideal candidate for a 480 00:20:47,470 --> 00:20:52,600 bicycle Boulevard this Boulevard will 481 00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:56,680 connect grayslake park to the blank Park 482 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Zoo Fort Des Moines the superblock it 483 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,650 will also provide connections to the 484 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,870 newly annexed areas of South Des Moines 485 00:20:59,650 --> 00:21:03,490 as well as all the residential and 486 00:21:01,870 --> 00:21:06,480 commercial neighborhoods and schools 487 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:06,480 along this corridor 488 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:18,360 the final proposed priority project is 489 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:20,559 called the Northeast bicycle connector 490 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:22,630 currently there is not a good connection 491 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:24,700 from the very popular gayley Wilson 492 00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:27,460 trail on the city's northeast side to 493 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:29,410 downtown Des Moines the heart of this 494 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:31,059 proposal is a series of bike lanes on 495 00:21:29,410 --> 00:21:33,270 Hubble Avenue from East eighteenth 496 00:21:31,059 --> 00:21:35,980 Street to each thirty-third Street 497 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:37,660 preliminary analysis has indicated that 498 00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:39,370 traffic counts on this stretch of road 499 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:41,200 could handle a change from four lanes to 500 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:43,840 three lanes which would be a needed to 501 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,190 allow the bike lanes further study and 502 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,900 public input would be needed before 503 00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:55,860 bringing any proposal like this forward 504 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:57,700 for approval finally I'd like to wrap up 505 00:21:55,860 --> 00:22:00,220 where we've been and where we go from 506 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:02,730 here the proposed next steps for this 507 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:04,840 plan include the following you see here 508 00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:06,460 they'll be important to get the public's 509 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,320 input on the proposed plan before 510 00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:10,570 finalizing it and bring it through the 511 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:14,530 public improve public approval process 512 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:16,000 as I stated earlier this plan seeks to 513 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:18,100 build on the city's extensive trail 514 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,679 network and integrate the bicycle into 515 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:21,670 the city's transportation network thank 516 00:22:20,679 --> 00:22:23,020 you for allowing me to spend a little 517 00:22:21,670 --> 00:22:24,580 bit of time introducing this proposed 518 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:29,080 plan and we'd be happy to take any 519 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:36,210 questions that you might have go ahead 520 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:38,440 Christine can I have an update we know 521 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:40,750 maybe I need to talk with Don about this 522 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,270 what do we need to be doing on that to 523 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:46,600 get that forward because there been some 524 00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:48,970 contacts made on that yes councilmember 525 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,440 Hensley this connection actually would 526 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:53,380 go all the way to grayslake it's a 527 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:57,750 project that would connect an off street 528 00:22:53,380 --> 00:23:00,429 facility along Thomas Beck road 529 00:22:57,750 --> 00:23:03,130 Pomerance services and through the 530 00:23:00,429 --> 00:23:04,540 railroad marshalling yards we are 531 00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:07,179 working with the neighborhood to 532 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:09,190 fundraise for that connection as you 533 00:23:07,179 --> 00:23:11,050 know we've talked with the neighborhood 534 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:13,090 about this connection and either coming 535 00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:15,490 up Druid Hill driver cassidy drive so 536 00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:17,980 really the approval of this plan and 537 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:19,660 this particular step in the process is 538 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:20,740 important because the next step for us 539 00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:22,210 is to get out to the neighborhood and 540 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:24,960 talk about the design at Southwest 541 00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:28,179 fourteenth Street okay 542 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,940 Don what's timetable from the gate I 543 00:23:28,179 --> 00:23:36,129 will someday I'll tuna I'll let me 544 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:37,809 talked about that currently the gay Lee 545 00:23:36,129 --> 00:23:39,700 Wilson trail does connect through 546 00:23:37,809 --> 00:23:41,499 pleasant hill to Altoona there's another 547 00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:43,479 segment that polk county conservation is 548 00:23:41,499 --> 00:23:46,090 working on to connect up to the city of 549 00:23:43,479 --> 00:23:47,979 Ankeny and over to the Neil Smith trail 550 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:50,200 I believe they have all the property 551 00:23:47,979 --> 00:23:52,570 acquired for that section up to ankeny 552 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,309 but are just waiting on the remaining 553 00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:56,529 funds for krista's just to start 554 00:23:54,309 --> 00:23:58,179 construction I misspoke i'm at ankeny i 555 00:23:56,529 --> 00:23:59,919 knew it was on to help doing already 556 00:23:58,179 --> 00:24:01,210 yeah yeah i know they have been able to 557 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:02,889 acquire all that property but i just 558 00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:05,590 waiting on some final funding okay so 559 00:24:02,889 --> 00:24:06,970 that's pretty near future you think we 560 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:08,289 can find out the exact answer but i 561 00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:11,970 would guess in the next year or two is 562 00:24:08,289 --> 00:24:14,169 probably appropriate yeah richard that 563 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:17,590 proposed section that runs along the 564 00:24:14,169 --> 00:24:20,679 south edge of Waveland golf course where 565 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:22,749 we at with that currently well we do not 566 00:24:20,679 --> 00:24:24,940 have any money to fund the section of 567 00:24:22,749 --> 00:24:27,340 trail councilman more is referring to is 568 00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:30,369 a section of trail that would parallel I 569 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:33,129 235 as well as the south end of Waveland 570 00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:34,629 golf course we just completed a section 571 00:24:33,129 --> 00:24:36,879 that goes north along there along the 572 00:24:34,629 --> 00:24:38,979 west side of the cemetery do the 573 00:24:36,879 --> 00:24:40,330 complexity of design we are estimating 574 00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:41,349 be probably the neighborhood of a 575 00:24:40,330 --> 00:24:44,049 million-dollar so we're looking for 576 00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:45,789 grants and ability to design then get a 577 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:47,889 struct constructed I just made it's at 578 00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:50,109 least five years out at this time Thank 579 00:24:47,889 --> 00:24:54,029 You Don do you feel we're getting our 580 00:24:50,109 --> 00:24:54,029 fair share of mpo dollars for trails 581 00:24:54,149 --> 00:25:00,249 councilmember mahaffey will take more I 582 00:24:57,419 --> 00:25:02,139 guess we always will but you've done a 583 00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:04,330 great job through the NPO and our 584 00:25:02,139 --> 00:25:06,549 representatives there to direct money 585 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:07,419 towards trails in central Iowa and in 586 00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:09,849 Des Moines I think we've done pretty 587 00:25:07,419 --> 00:25:11,889 well when I checked a couple years ago 588 00:25:09,849 --> 00:25:14,320 our trail construction since the early 589 00:25:11,889 --> 00:25:16,149 1990s had been somewhere in the range of 590 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,019 about forty percent funded outside Des 591 00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:22,899 Moines either federal or state grants 592 00:25:19,019 --> 00:25:25,419 good how will Mac is discussing a bike 593 00:25:22,899 --> 00:25:26,679 ordinance as well and will that be part 594 00:25:25,419 --> 00:25:28,629 of the are we going to bring that 595 00:25:26,679 --> 00:25:31,059 forward and have it part of this master 596 00:25:28,629 --> 00:25:33,730 plan yeah I don't know that I'm familiar 597 00:25:31,059 --> 00:25:35,320 that have you been who's from the city 598 00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:37,269 has been involved in the discussions on 599 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,159 that well I haven't been directly but 600 00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:40,419 I've seen some of the things they're 601 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:41,620 doing and I think it's important 602 00:25:40,419 --> 00:25:42,879 especially as you start to do some 603 00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:44,649 things on the street because the 604 00:25:42,879 --> 00:25:46,539 different communities have slightly 605 00:25:44,649 --> 00:25:48,129 different bicycle laws I know in some 606 00:25:46,539 --> 00:25:49,840 places it's actually illegal to ride on 607 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:51,100 the sidewalk des moines it's legal to 608 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,590 ride on the sidewalk but there are 609 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:55,629 certain restrictions so as you start to 610 00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:57,549 get more facilities and and people in 611 00:25:55,629 --> 00:25:59,590 the metropolitan area don't particularly 612 00:25:57,549 --> 00:26:01,779 care when they cross a you know some 613 00:25:59,590 --> 00:26:03,610 kind of a political boundary they just 614 00:26:01,779 --> 00:26:05,200 are going on a ride from here to there 615 00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:06,549 they may live in one community in the 616 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,539 park third 12 or whatever is in a 617 00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:09,429 different one or they're going on a 618 00:26:07,539 --> 00:26:11,080 longer ride through several so it really 619 00:26:09,429 --> 00:26:12,940 be helpful if there's consistent 620 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,369 ordinance instantly so that's what the 621 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:17,019 that effort is about is to look at at 622 00:26:15,369 --> 00:26:18,909 the different ordinances they've 623 00:26:17,019 --> 00:26:20,049 compared all of them and seeing what's 624 00:26:18,909 --> 00:26:22,059 in common and what some of the 625 00:26:20,049 --> 00:26:23,619 differences are it looks to me like the 626 00:26:22,059 --> 00:26:25,480 differences are pretty minor and it 627 00:26:23,619 --> 00:26:28,210 wouldn't be a huge effort to get that 628 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,009 and have pretty consistent bike 629 00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:31,809 ordinances across the whole metro area 630 00:26:30,009 --> 00:26:32,860 just make it easier so they you know if 631 00:26:31,809 --> 00:26:34,450 you're writing your bike you're trying 632 00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:35,740 to be a good citizen and and all of a 633 00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:37,119 sudden you go from one community your 634 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:38,499 illegal you go the next community you do 635 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,909 the same thing and it's suddenly it's 636 00:26:38,499 --> 00:26:41,619 against their ordinances that's not a 637 00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:43,779 good situation so close I don't think 638 00:26:41,619 --> 00:26:45,789 that's coming along and it is and it was 639 00:26:43,779 --> 00:26:49,269 presented at Mac last week so I guess my 640 00:26:45,789 --> 00:26:51,039 question is can we have that before this 641 00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:52,419 group so that we can incorporate that 642 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,149 because we were trying to get it in 643 00:26:52,419 --> 00:26:56,649 place to eliminate the problems of going 644 00:26:55,149 --> 00:26:58,210 from one jurisdiction to another where 645 00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:59,409 there are different rules I don't I 646 00:26:58,210 --> 00:27:00,970 don't know quite where they are with all 647 00:26:59,409 --> 00:27:02,889 the communities if everybody's agreed to 648 00:27:00,970 --> 00:27:04,899 the changes that would needed to be made 649 00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:06,639 and we're suppose we're gonna add on 650 00:27:04,899 --> 00:27:08,559 plankton yeah but I don't know if 651 00:27:06,639 --> 00:27:10,869 they've really brought it up exactly 652 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,249 who's gonna change what but they've done 653 00:27:10,869 --> 00:27:15,330 a lot of work on it shouldn't take too 654 00:27:12,249 --> 00:27:18,639 much more to get it to the finish line 655 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:20,379 but just a final I found uh you're sort 656 00:27:18,639 --> 00:27:21,820 of in mid process here you've got a 657 00:27:20,379 --> 00:27:23,379 draft plan you're gonna go out and get 658 00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,999 more public input you go through a 659 00:27:23,379 --> 00:27:26,499 review process with boards and 660 00:27:24,999 --> 00:27:28,990 commissions before it gets back to this 661 00:27:26,499 --> 00:27:30,460 table but i would encourage council 662 00:27:28,990 --> 00:27:32,590 members if you have comments or 663 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:34,389 suggestions the suggestion that 664 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:36,730 Christine just made is a great one and 665 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:38,950 now it's the time if you have those kind 666 00:27:36,730 --> 00:27:41,500 of thoughts and neft be today but 667 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:43,570 anytime in the next I suppose a few 668 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,620 months right right probably about 90 669 00:27:43,570 --> 00:27:46,540 days 670 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:48,070 there's a very comprehensive plan here 671 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:49,809 we can get you a copy of that it talks 672 00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:52,630 to the specific locations in some of 673 00:27:49,809 --> 00:27:53,980 these facilities and the next step for 674 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:55,900 us will be to get you a copy of this so 675 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:57,520 you can review this I'd also like to 676 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,260 recognize we had a citizen member here 677 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,450 today of the committee Carl boss is here 678 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:02,950 thanks Carl for coming and park board 679 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:05,320 president joe galloway the park board 680 00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:06,670 has also been involved and want to thank 681 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,260 the rest of the city departments good 682 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:10,570 economic development and Public Works 683 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:11,890 engineering for their support on this so 684 00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:13,150 we'll be back with you probably in the 685 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:15,670 next 90 days with a policy 686 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:17,500 recommendation I'm glad to see dart 687 00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:19,929 continue to add more bicycle racks to 688 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:22,240 their variety of vehicles so that they 689 00:28:19,929 --> 00:28:24,490 can help out and using of the bicycles 690 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,610 from that right now the usage of those 691 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:29,610 bike racks has been amazing as amazing 692 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:44,480 thank you very nice Thank You mr. mayor 693 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,920 councilmembers some would have a low 694 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,780 McKinley do the introductions here mayor 695 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,820 members of council al McKinley finance 696 00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:56,000 director typically we do a workshop 697 00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:58,430 presentation to you on the comprehensive 698 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,830 annual financial report in January this 699 00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:04,280 year were able to have this present to 700 00:29:00,830 --> 00:29:06,580 you today in December we have a 701 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,080 representative from mcgladrey are 702 00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:10,640 outside audit firm sherry Myers she'll 703 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:15,470 be coming to make a brief presentation 704 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:18,020 to you the cafard document will be out 705 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:21,830 to you very shortly with a council 706 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:25,160 action scheduled in January just as a 707 00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:27,260 reminder to you the audit process is not 708 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,600 something that simply happens within the 709 00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:32,360 finance department but it really is 710 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,270 obviously a citywide review of our 711 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,700 financial actions and with millions of 712 00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:41,680 dollars of grant funds that are flowing 713 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:44,150 through various departments primarily 714 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,540 airport engineering community 715 00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:49,670 development and police department the 716 00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:51,200 audit process touches all of those 717 00:29:49,670 --> 00:29:53,560 people in all those departments and 718 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,420 without their assistance we couldn't 719 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,730 complete an audit that we're able to 720 00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:01,640 complete and with that I'll introduce to 721 00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:03,140 you sherry Myers from mcgladrey you're 722 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,780 used to seeing probably Mia frommel 723 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:07,400 they've had reorganizations and 724 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:13,070 reassignments and so this year we have 725 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:18,200 sherry with this council thank you for 726 00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:22,160 letting me be here today as you know I 727 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,560 really want echo what Alan said everyone 728 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,590 across the entire city is very 729 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,540 responsive to us this is on top of their 730 00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:31,940 normal work day of course we're in 731 00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:34,130 digging out having them dig out support 732 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:35,720 for transactions and responding to 733 00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:39,650 questions and everybody is extremely 734 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:42,170 responsive there's a communication that 735 00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:43,220 we issue to the council and I'm just 736 00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:43,630 going to kind of walk through the 737 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:46,240 highlight 738 00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:49,000 of that probably the most important I 739 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,460 guess if I'm a council member is what 740 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,610 kind of opinion did we get we there is a 741 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:56,500 clean and unqualified opinion on the 742 00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:59,650 financial statements we do believe that 743 00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:06,100 the financial statements are materially 744 00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:07,990 accurate that's probably the most 745 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:10,060 important the one-page actually well 746 00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:11,890 there's a few pages but in the financial 747 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:14,410 section the one-page it's ours is that 748 00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:17,680 opinion the rest is they are the city's 749 00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:19,780 financial statements and Alan and his 750 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,970 group really do take ownership of that 751 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:24,940 process of drafting those financial 752 00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:27,160 statements of questioning how things 753 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:30,490 should look how transactions should be 754 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:37,420 recorded so I'm very happy to report 755 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:42,300 that to you as well whoops they're too 756 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:45,010 many papers soon there were a few new 757 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:46,480 accounting standards applicable to the 758 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:53,610 city this year they did not have any 759 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:55,630 impact on the city there's also another 760 00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:57,040 statement that will be effective in the 761 00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:58,750 future you'll see that in the footnotes 762 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,660 and again the city is evaluating the 763 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:03,670 impact of that there were no significant 764 00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:07,000 or unusual transactions no transactions 765 00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:08,830 which are kind of in that gray area that 766 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,690 we had discussions with management about 767 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:14,200 that they're trying to you know record 768 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:16,960 one way or another no audit adjustments 769 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,770 to dust the trial balance presented to 770 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,870 us no disagreements with management 771 00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:24,490 we're not aware of any consultations 772 00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:27,490 management may have had with other 773 00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:29,560 accounting firms to you know receive a 774 00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:31,720 preferential accounting treatment that 775 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,610 we have open discussions with management 776 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:38,730 and are comfortable that we had full 777 00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:42,460 responses to our inquiries I urge you as 778 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:44,410 a council to when you do get that kapor 779 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:46,090 read through note 1 understand those 780 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,980 accounting policies and how things are 781 00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:50,110 accounted for the other thing that 782 00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:52,000 that's key when we do a lot it we really 783 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:54,130 look at what are the risk areas and then 784 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,870 we look at those areas one area of risk 785 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:58,710 obviously is revenue recognition 786 00:32:55,870 --> 00:33:02,080 the second is significant estimates and 787 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:04,270 the of the significant estimates to the 788 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,760 city some mosey allowance for doubtful 789 00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:11,110 accounts post employment benefits 790 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,390 depreciation what are the lives that 791 00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:14,440 have been assigned in all those cases we 792 00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:16,120 obtained an understanding of 793 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,950 management's process and we concurred 794 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:23,950 not only with that process but what the 795 00:33:17,950 --> 00:33:25,780 estimates as well very clean compliance 796 00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:30,250 report the compliance report is required 797 00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:32,500 because of a level of federal funding as 798 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:34,210 decentralized as the city can be a 799 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,340 special literal funding it's always 800 00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:39,700 that's kind of a risk area as well and 801 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:44,320 we had good results there as well any 802 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:46,270 questions any question on how do you how 803 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,890 did you go about dealing with the amount 804 00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:50,200 of cash that we have within the city 805 00:33:47,890 --> 00:33:53,350 system what type of procedures are used 806 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,330 you go in and do I guess if you could 807 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:57,880 just describe that well we will confirm 808 00:33:55,330 --> 00:34:00,280 cash with the you know the banks or 809 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,970 whoever they happen to be held with will 810 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:06,490 also test those reconciliations from the 811 00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:07,960 bank to the book to see that if there's 812 00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:10,120 outstanding checks that they're all 813 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,389 recorded or recognized in that 814 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,129 reconciliation that if there's transfers 815 00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:16,750 between that our city accounts that are 816 00:34:15,129 --> 00:34:19,179 significant we're looking at those as 817 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:22,600 well and we obtain an understanding of 818 00:34:19,179 --> 00:34:24,270 the controls over cash processes and 819 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,210 we'll do a walk-through of those as well 820 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:30,700 so we're within the city structure do we 821 00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:32,560 have cash in a lot of different areas or 822 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:34,240 is it just more centralized the most 823 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,889 part it's centralized the material 824 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,870 amounts of cash is obviously some 825 00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:42,730 imagery lands but most of the cash is 826 00:34:37,870 --> 00:34:46,149 centralized and really in a pooled basis 827 00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:47,470 which is actually what I would from an 828 00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:51,560 accounting standpoint what you like to 829 00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:54,300 see ya better control okay thank you 830 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,740 anybody have anything else mr. Merrick 831 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,590 hey just make a couple companies but 832 00:34:55,740 --> 00:35:01,110 first I'm very pleased with us resolved 833 00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:02,670 a great testament not only the finance 834 00:35:01,110 --> 00:35:04,500 department but all of our departments 835 00:35:02,670 --> 00:35:06,150 that that keep the accounts and make 836 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,520 sure that we pay things and spend money 837 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:10,730 appropriately the other observation and 838 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,100 sherry perhaps you'd like to add to this 839 00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:15,960 this year and in the years in the recent 840 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,640 past we've received a lot of federal 841 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,550 dollars and state dollars stimulus 842 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,350 dollars or other grant funds it has been 843 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:23,910 quite a challenge for the organization 844 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:26,040 to keep track of that spend it 845 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:29,280 appropriately in fact there were times 846 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:32,010 when the federal dollars would come yet 847 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,830 the regulations and requirements that 848 00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:39,630 were part of those dollars we're not 849 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:40,890 always so easy for us to get and there's 850 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:43,050 always some apprehension at least on my 851 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:44,820 part about how we're able to manage 852 00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:46,350 through all that and I'm really pleased 853 00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:48,120 that this result because I think you've 854 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:50,370 essentially confirmed the fact that 855 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,750 we've done well in spending those 856 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:53,490 dollars anything you'd like to add about 857 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:55,560 tax effort for me that's one of the big 858 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:57,900 issues that we've had the last year or 859 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,270 two on finances I I agree with what you 860 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,760 say and you know as I said when you have 861 00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:06,090 more federal dollars it does raise the 862 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,580 risk it's very rare to not have issues 863 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:10,770 because you've got you know if you look 864 00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:12,930 at the city's obviously moving parts 865 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:14,730 you've got people transitioning and none 866 00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:16,590 out of roles which may or in those 867 00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:19,490 individuals may or may not understand 868 00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:22,200 those requirements I have in the past 869 00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:23,820 counsel clients in some cases not to 870 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,460 take federal funds because the strings 871 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:29,100 are are too large but certainly you need 872 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:30,900 to continue and I had a discussion with 873 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,880 my ear County about those well you need 874 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,140 to continue to look for those funds but 875 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000 you need to be cognizant of what those 876 00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:38,370 requirements are and I think the city 877 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,850 does a good job of saying what are those 878 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:44,610 requirements and what do we need to do 879 00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:46,830 up front to be ready to comply with 880 00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:49,050 those requirements sometimes that 881 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:51,930 results in a bit of a delay in spending 882 00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:54,150 those funds but I think clearly came out 883 00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:56,490 and good results and we did have an 884 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:58,530 additional what we call major program 885 00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:59,510 which means we needed to test additional 886 00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:01,940 programs this year 887 00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:03,860 primarily because of those era funds 888 00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:05,960 coming in they're presumed to be high 889 00:37:03,860 --> 00:37:08,510 risk and see really need to if you've 890 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,450 got significant air dollars coming in 891 00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:12,860 and spend time looking at those was 892 00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:14,540 there an opportunity for you to have a 893 00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:18,170 discussion with the mayor without staff 894 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:20,780 yes thank you which is their importance 895 00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:23,330 yeah I think it's great we had an 896 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:25,160 unqualified opinion it yeah no journal 897 00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:27,620 entries with always do to do from 898 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,990 accounts but I mean their hub seating 899 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:33,970 accounts it's a it's great to have a 900 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:43,100 report absolutely and kudos to honesty 901 00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:45,770 okay good job thank you thank you all 902 00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:47,990 right let's move on to our long-term 903 00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:49,880 financial outlook mr. Merrick council 904 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:52,820 members Alan's gonna handle this we have 905 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,110 as some of you know with the legislative 906 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:57,280 meeting we had last week there was 907 00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:59,920 discussion about preparation made for an 908 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,960 overview of our long-term financial 909 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,250 situation but we thought the information 910 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,350 that was gathered for that was so 911 00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:08,540 pertinent that we wanted to review it 912 00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:10,820 and share it with counsel here today as 913 00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:13,420 well and I just make you aware of some 914 00:38:10,820 --> 00:38:15,800 of the issues that we're looking at 915 00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:18,950 going forward particularly for the next 916 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,890 year but clearly beyond that so with 917 00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:25,970 that Alan please thank you Rick just as 918 00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:28,460 a side comment the our audit 919 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:30,500 relationship with our auditor is an 920 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:34,400 ongoing relationship so throughout the 921 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:37,520 year as transactions or grants come up 922 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,160 that you know we need some advice on how 923 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,320 to handle or or what would be the best 924 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,290 treatment we can certainly go to them 925 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,240 and ask for their opinion and for us to 926 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:48,710 move forward and they like to be aware 927 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,040 of what's going on with the city 928 00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:54,740 financially so that they don't come in 929 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,840 and have to be brought up to speed so a 930 00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:58,900 comment that sherry just made to me is 931 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,340 I'm going to stay and listen to this 932 00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:03,590 about our long-term financial outlook 933 00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:04,910 gives her a better idea of what's going 934 00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:06,680 on with the City of Des Moines a 935 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:08,900 long-term basis so that's just a good 936 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,220 example of their interest in wanting to 937 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:11,660 be involved in 938 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:13,340 and understanding what our financial 939 00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:17,000 position is and especially looking 940 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:22,540 forward as well as Rick mentioned last 941 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:26,859 week we staff and some of the council 942 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:29,690 met with some of the local legislators 943 00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:31,820 in anticipation of this year's session 944 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:33,320 and to just provide them a little bit of 945 00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:35,750 information about the City of Des Moines 946 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,280 long-term financial outlook just wanted 947 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:40,430 to share some of that information with 948 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,770 you and some of the most of this you've 949 00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:45,230 you've seen before we've talked about a 950 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:47,390 structural deficit that we have looking 951 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:50,630 forward we are balanced through FY 12 952 00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:54,320 and working very hard on balancing in 953 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:56,990 fy13 and and getting very close but even 954 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,880 accomplishing that task you can see that 955 00:39:56,990 --> 00:40:03,680 FY 14 15 16 and it just continues beyond 956 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,560 is a structural deficit we've listed 957 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,070 there the assumptions to arrive at those 958 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:16,099 numbers based on best information that 959 00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:17,330 we have just to look back quickly what 960 00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:21,400 have we been doing what have you been 961 00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:25,250 doing 95 million dollars in reductions 962 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:27,500 it's a putting some of the information 963 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:30,530 that we've provided to you kind of in 964 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,300 bits and pieces into into one place 95 965 00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:34,880 million dollar sound is a lot of money 966 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:37,369 and if you think that that's all you 967 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,349 know in our general Road use tax fund of 968 00:40:37,369 --> 00:40:40,460 about 160 million obviously those 969 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:44,000 numbers aren't going to work that you 970 00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:46,910 didn't cut your budget directly there by 971 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,800 you know seventy or eighty percent but 972 00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:50,359 about 27 million dollars you'll see 973 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,010 they're listed on the left are the 974 00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:55,880 actions that you've taken that our 975 00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:57,260 savings annually about 24 of that is on 976 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,290 the expense side there's two or three 977 00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:03,650 million that are related to revenue 978 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:05,619 reallocations but you've reduced we've 979 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:08,359 had to reduce staff we've looked at 980 00:41:05,619 --> 00:41:11,480 contracting out we reduced the budgets 981 00:41:08,359 --> 00:41:12,890 and contracts and supplies and travel 982 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,770 we've looked at privatization we 983 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:19,420 reviewed health insurance plans those 984 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:21,369 are all operating actions 985 00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:25,540 actions that impact our operating budget 986 00:41:21,369 --> 00:41:28,150 we've also done several debt refunding 987 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:29,799 zor refinancings that have generated 13 988 00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:32,650 million dollars in net present value 989 00:41:29,799 --> 00:41:36,760 savings that helps us to reduce our debt 990 00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:39,430 service levy that allows us to increase 991 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,559 levies elsewhere to assist us in our 992 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:44,700 operations without raising the overall 993 00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:47,559 levy and related to that again in 994 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:50,530 impacting the debt levy was we reduced 995 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:52,990 our capital financing of geo bonds you 996 00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:54,990 may remember about five years ago we 997 00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:59,109 were projecting a debt service levy 998 00:41:54,990 --> 00:42:03,400 breaching five dollars we will most 999 00:41:59,109 --> 00:42:05,890 likely be under four dollars for the 1000 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,950 budget that will come to you and next 1001 00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:19,960 month what's the time period for this 1002 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:21,549 Alan January first two thousand six so 1003 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,569 about a four to five year period four or 1004 00:42:21,549 --> 00:42:30,299 five okay and all of this with no tax 1005 00:42:25,569 --> 00:42:30,299 rate increase so we're still at 1657 1006 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,570 this is just a graphic presentation the 1007 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:40,720 black line is is where we are today the 1008 00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:43,150 red line is where we would have been I 1009 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,850 had none of those actions taken place 1010 00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:48,280 obviously we would not have never have 1011 00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:49,750 adopted a budget at 186 million because 1012 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,580 you would have been in a deficit 1013 00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:53,230 position but it does show you the 1014 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:59,770 magnitude of the actions that you've 1015 00:42:53,230 --> 00:43:02,350 taken one of the things that you may 1016 00:42:59,770 --> 00:43:05,050 have been reading about in the paper is 1017 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:07,510 some proposals at the state as it 1018 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:09,880 relates to implementing some sort of 1019 00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:13,390 commercial rollback similar to the 1020 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,430 residential rollback this provide you 1021 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:17,500 some statistics here the most recent 1022 00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:19,030 information that we have about fifty 1023 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:21,100 three percent of the city's taxable 1024 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:23,140 value is associated with commercial 1025 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:27,360 that's not assessed value but that's 1026 00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:30,070 taxable value 93% of the city's 1027 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:33,340 valuation in tif districts is commercial 1028 00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:37,480 that's not surprising sixty sixty 1029 00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:40,690 percent roll back and that should really 1030 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,490 be understood as a roll back to set 1031 00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:46,630 values at sixty percent of assessed 1032 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:51,130 value impacts the city to the tune of 26 1033 00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:53,200 million dollars and if you were to try 1034 00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:56,140 to make that 26 million dollars up by 1035 00:43:53,200 --> 00:44:00,090 raising your tax rate the tax rate would 1036 00:43:56,140 --> 00:44:02,770 have to go up twenty-seven percent and 1037 00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:06,310 then just some other things for you to 1038 00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:09,580 remember as you are hearing discussions 1039 00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:12,040 about this it has extremely complex 1040 00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:14,140 consequences we have tax increment grant 1041 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,200 agreements in place we have bond 1042 00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:19,090 commitments that are to be funded with 1043 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,040 tax increment valuations would those be 1044 00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:24,040 grandfathered in all I mean for example 1045 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:27,460 of say a nationwide Allied where we've 1046 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,350 got a pretty significant tiff 1047 00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:32,080 arrangement with would that be 1048 00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:34,530 grandfathered in or how would I think 1049 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,970 that's part of the title of extremely 1050 00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:38,440 complex consequences we want to be sure 1051 00:44:36,970 --> 00:44:40,510 that we're at the Canadians on the 1052 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,580 legislation Chris I think being able to 1053 00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:44,380 understand and to have the legislators 1054 00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:46,150 understand what the potential 1055 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:47,950 impact of any decision that they make is 1056 00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:49,900 to protect us from that in the 1057 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:51,549 worst-case scenario you could keep in 1058 00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:53,980 mind with tiff you've got you've got 1059 00:44:51,549 --> 00:44:55,930 outstanding debt that you've issued that 1060 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:58,750 is being retired with tiff revenues and 1061 00:44:55,930 --> 00:45:00,460 you have contracts with the ones that 1062 00:44:58,750 --> 00:45:03,819 you just mentioned with allied well mark 1063 00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:05,589 and others those obligations certainly 1064 00:45:03,819 --> 00:45:07,930 on the bonds and on the other would 1065 00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:10,089 continue on into the extent they 1066 00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:12,339 continue on and you lose the TIF revenue 1067 00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:14,019 then those obligations have to be picked 1068 00:45:12,339 --> 00:45:15,940 up someplace else and if they have to be 1069 00:45:14,019 --> 00:45:19,150 picked up out of the general fund then 1070 00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:21,369 you have sort of a secondary but 1071 00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:23,470 extremely significant adverse impact on 1072 00:45:21,369 --> 00:45:25,630 those revenues and expenses as well and 1073 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:27,220 that's a reason we're talking about it 1074 00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:28,869 here it's a it's an issue in this 1075 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:31,390 discussion about commercial rollback 1076 00:45:28,869 --> 00:45:34,119 that people often overlook and that's 1077 00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:36,880 the impact on our tip one other thing 1078 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:40,049 that I think that I'd like to pick up on 1079 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,220 in this is there are constitutional 1080 00:45:40,049 --> 00:45:47,529 limitations against the impairment of 1081 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:49,269 existing contracts that have made some 1082 00:45:47,529 --> 00:45:53,170 proposals I mean we've been looking at 1083 00:45:49,269 --> 00:45:57,069 this Chris for many years and some 1084 00:45:53,170 --> 00:45:59,289 proposals will not make it on that on 1085 00:45:57,069 --> 00:46:03,720 that basis because they they cannot be 1086 00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:03,720 set up to breach existing contracts 1087 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:12,720 the analogy I like to make with touching 1088 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:15,540 valuations in local government finances 1089 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:18,210 whether it's cities or school districts 1090 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:21,290 or the county the analogy is that you 1091 00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:24,000 know the trails of what impacts what are 1092 00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:25,860 amazing sometimes where what happens 1093 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,390 when you do something over here it's 1094 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:30,720 almost like turning off the light switch 1095 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:32,340 and your kitchen faucet starts to run I 1096 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,790 mean they seem like they're completely 1097 00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:36,869 unrelated but somehow it happens so we 1098 00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:38,430 just need to be careful that we 1099 00:46:36,869 --> 00:46:39,630 understand what all those relationships 1100 00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:43,140 are and that we are able to communicate 1101 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:44,400 those to the policymakers we have a 1102 00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:47,340 concern obviously that it could affect 1103 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,200 our bond ratings as the rating agencies 1104 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:53,910 look at what happens to taxable 1105 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:56,940 valuations and what what any possible 1106 00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:59,310 solution may be provided as it relates 1107 00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:02,010 to reduction in commercial taxable 1108 00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:03,869 property for cities across the state 1109 00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:08,250 this could have a huge impact on their 1110 00:47:03,869 --> 00:47:09,810 tax levy caps if they're if the text if 1111 00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:13,890 they happen to be operating within their 1112 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:15,930 general fund 810 levy and the value goes 1113 00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:18,750 down and they are not provide any other 1114 00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:21,630 recourse they can lose lots of money 1115 00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:22,830 directly into their general fund so it's 1116 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,859 not just the City of Des Moines issue 1117 00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:28,980 that this will impact all local 1118 00:47:24,859 --> 00:47:32,460 governments in the past we've heard of 1119 00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:36,440 replacement revenue proposals they're 1120 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:39,150 just not a guarantee on on future 1121 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,600 legislatures that those will continue 1122 00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:44,730 would continue on forever we've had some 1123 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,030 past experiences and we've lost several 1124 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:50,490 million dollars over the course of time 1125 00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:53,400 compared to where we were say 15 or 20 1126 00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:57,869 years ago and there are other funding 1127 00:47:53,400 --> 00:48:02,820 solutions or mechanisms or tactical ways 1128 00:47:57,869 --> 00:48:05,310 to address high property taxes for 1129 00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:08,490 commercial property owners and 1130 00:48:05,310 --> 00:48:12,210 and our encouragement is let us be at 1131 00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:13,890 the table let us provide some input and 1132 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:17,270 provide some response to any of the 1133 00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:17,270 proposals that they may be making 1134 00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:28,140 another issue that's being raised in the 1135 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:32,490 league of Iowa has taken a lead in this 1136 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:35,430 and is supplied information these are to 1137 00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:37,950 the 49 basically larger cities and in 1138 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:40,560 iowa and thats related to our chapter 4 1139 00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:46,770 11 pension contributions this came from 1140 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:48,510 the actuary that is used by music fire 1141 00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:50,790 and police Retirement System of Iowa 1142 00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:54,720 that projects out city contribution 1143 00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:59,340 rates over the next actually the charts 1144 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:01,290 go out for 20 or 20 plus years I've just 1145 00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:03,980 reported to you what with projected here 1146 00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:07,770 for fiscal year 11 through fiscal 16 1147 00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:11,280 fiscal 11 you'll see the 19.9 rate 1148 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:13,350 that's what we're contributing today the 1149 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,110 twenty four point seven six percent rate 1150 00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:19,530 is was adopted by the board and will be 1151 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:22,110 the city contribution rate starting next 1152 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:23,610 fiscal year next July first and then 1153 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:25,740 you'll see the projections going out for 1154 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:28,070 four years beyond that and then I've 1155 00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:31,020 also provided for you information on 1156 00:49:28,070 --> 00:49:32,550 total City dollars the 49 cities how 1157 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:34,500 much that would equate to in 1158 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:36,810 contributions to the system and then the 1159 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,250 Des Moines impact as well it just to 1160 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:41,160 interrupt for a second here that this is 1161 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:42,840 an incredibly important slide the 1162 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,120 information on here is critical to us 1163 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,680 and it's really summarized in terms of 1164 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,590 the impact on the city and the far right 1165 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,930 column this year we're looking at about 1166 00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:54,630 9 million hours and 4 11 pinching costs 1167 00:49:51,930 --> 00:49:57,000 but you can see over the course of the 1168 00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:58,950 six years that are displayed here that 1169 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,360 amount more than doubles to over 20 1170 00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:04,470 million dollars based on the current 1171 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:06,300 estimate the the formula the method or 1172 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:08,430 the amounts of funds that are paid here 1173 00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:11,430 are not within your discretion you 1174 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:13,470 simply pay the bill it is entirely a 1175 00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:16,200 matter of legislative action that 1176 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,300 controls these numbers but these are 1177 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,920 these are terribly critical numbers for 1178 00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:22,700 us 1179 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:25,700 and combined with other impacts it is a 1180 00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:27,290 very significant issue for the city if 1181 00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:29,420 you combine this with what we just 1182 00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:32,240 talked about on the property tax issues 1183 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:37,880 the 26 million dollars plus the it's 1184 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:42,460 huge absolutely major finally one of the 1185 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,750 things that we wanted to make sure that 1186 00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:47,690 legislators and you know the general 1187 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:50,210 public understands some of just what our 1188 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:52,099 financial outlook is and how the City 1189 00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:53,990 Council has adopted in the past and and 1190 00:50:52,099 --> 00:50:55,760 that is that you have and you will 1191 00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:57,710 maintain a balanced budget that's the 1192 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,730 policy that you've adopted and that we 1193 00:50:57,710 --> 00:51:03,230 have followed a year after year and some 1194 00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:04,730 of the things that that means in a 1195 00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:08,480 balanced budget is is that we don't 1196 00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:11,540 anticipate and bank on one-time revenues 1197 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,510 but that we utilize ongoing revenues to 1198 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:16,849 finance ongoing expenses that's an 1199 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:19,040 excellent policy to follow but that does 1200 00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:22,490 mean that the council has and may reduce 1201 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,859 costs and services it also means that 1202 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:29,650 the council may increase the property 1203 00:51:24,859 --> 00:51:33,290 tax rate and then finally you know given 1204 00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:35,540 those first two items of those first two 1205 00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:38,780 issues and what our long-term projection 1206 00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:40,280 is we're always looking and and wanting 1207 00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:43,130 assistance to pursue alternative 1208 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,740 revenues and that's also been a policy 1209 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:47,720 that the council was has encouraged 1210 00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:51,980 staff to pursue the last two or three 1211 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:54,079 years and we continue to do so Rick if 1212 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:57,549 you had any comments on that well I 1213 00:51:54,079 --> 00:52:00,380 think just just a couple over all things 1214 00:51:57,549 --> 00:52:02,510 that you can derive from the information 1215 00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:06,410 in this presentation the first thing is 1216 00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:08,119 that the council has displayed just 1217 00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:10,520 incredible fiscal discipline over the 1218 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:14,210 last four or five years you've done a 1219 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,619 great job of modifying expenses they're 1220 00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:18,290 clearly has been an impact on the 1221 00:52:15,619 --> 00:52:20,690 services that we provide it's it's 1222 00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:23,290 stress the organization there's some 1223 00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:25,130 areas where perhaps we've cut too much 1224 00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:27,559 but we have to go back and make 1225 00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:30,349 adjustments on those things but 1226 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,460 nonetheless the essential services by 1227 00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:34,040 large are 1228 00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:35,690 are being met with the budget we have 1229 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,010 today but you've done a great job with 1230 00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:38,630 your fiscal doesn't blend that I think 1231 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:40,610 people need to know that we've tried to 1232 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:43,130 summarize that thing here the other 1233 00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:47,090 thing from a broader perspective to say 1234 00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:48,590 about the situation is that the fiscal 1235 00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:51,770 difficulties that we have here in the 1236 00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:53,510 city are to a large extent shared with 1237 00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:56,300 the state of Iowa the state of Iowa 1238 00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:57,740 continues to have fiscal challenges not 1239 00:52:56,300 --> 00:53:00,740 because somebody did something good or 1240 00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:03,140 bad it is simply the fact of it at state 1241 00:53:00,740 --> 00:53:05,930 level that they have extreme challenges 1242 00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:07,280 as well and what that means is it's not 1243 00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:09,470 going to be easy for them to come back 1244 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,570 and do things that that help the city 1245 00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:13,670 with their own revenue so the state has 1246 00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:15,410 their own issues and my fear is that 1247 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:17,960 there will be a tendency to want to push 1248 00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:19,550 obligations from state back to city and 1249 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,370 we're just gonna have to be very 1250 00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:24,760 watchful of that if you look at that 1251 00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:27,470 nationally you say the same picture is 1252 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,780 probably worse in a lot of other states 1253 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:31,550 across country but in Iowa we have that 1254 00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:33,350 issue as well so as we go forward in 1255 00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:35,570 this session and probably in the 1256 00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:37,340 sessions in the next few years it's 1257 00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:40,300 going to continue to be a very urgent 1258 00:53:37,340 --> 00:53:43,280 situation the state to a large extent 1259 00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:45,560 will take action that will have profound 1260 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,020 effect on our ability to continue 1261 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,870 services either by things that they do 1262 00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:52,370 or don't do and it's not because they're 1263 00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:54,920 good or bad they're struggling with 1264 00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:56,360 their own financial situation but we're 1265 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,070 gonna have to be very diligent and 1266 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,510 monitoring all that we've talked about 1267 00:53:58,070 --> 00:54:01,280 some of the things here the pension 1268 00:53:59,510 --> 00:54:04,220 costs is extremely important to us 1269 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,370 health costs are important but in terms 1270 00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:09,290 of health costs were impacted to a large 1271 00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:11,360 extent extent by the federal legislation 1272 00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:13,490 which is a little bit at least for me a 1273 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,660 bit of a black box in terms of what's 1274 00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:16,850 gonna happen so we're gonna have to 1275 00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:19,160 monitor that very carefully as well so 1276 00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:21,890 we have we have big issues just as we've 1277 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,710 had in the past but that situation isn't 1278 00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:26,900 abating in terms of the uncertainty and 1279 00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:28,570 the risk going forward but I will say if 1280 00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:31,610 you look back over their recent past 1281 00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:34,330 this council is done just I think in a 1282 00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:36,560 miraculous job of managing the situation 1283 00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:39,650 with the decisions that you've made 1284 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:42,710 which have really helped the city keep 1285 00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:43,970 its head above water pay the bills keep 1286 00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:48,830 the organization going 1287 00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:52,880 so kudos to all of you sit anybody have 1288 00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:59,380 any other questions of Alan Ellen thank 1289 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:59,380 you again then good pre-holiday work sir 1290 00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:07,630 let's open it up for public comment 1291 00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:07,630 anyone the audience have any comments 1292 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:14,770 mundus her last meeting in the year I 1293 00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:18,170 mean somebody's got to have something 1294 00:55:14,770 --> 00:55:22,000 all right seeing none hopefully we'll 1295 00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:22,000 see our back here this evening thank you 1296 00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:50,790 you