1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,096 All life, 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,856 every living thing ever, 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,816 has been built according to the information in DNA. 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,216 What does that mean? 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,736 Well, it means that just as the English language 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,976 is made up of alphabetic letters that, when combined into words, 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,816 allow me to tell you the story I'm going to tell you today, 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,936 DNA is made up of genetic letters that, when combined into genes, 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,696 allow cells to produce proteins, 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,776 strings of amino acids that fold up into complex structures 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,816 that perform the functions that allow a cell to do what it does, 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,576 to tell its stories. 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,536 The English alphabet has 26 letters, and the genetic alphabet has four. 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,936 They're pretty famous. Maybe you've heard of them. 15 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,280 They are often just referred to as G, C, A and T. 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,936 But it's remarkable that all the diversity of life 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,040 is the result of four genetic letters. 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,256 Imagine what it would be like if the English alphabet had four letters. 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,560 What sort of stories would you be able to tell? 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,440 What if the genetic alphabet had more letters? 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,416 Would life with more letters be able to tell different stories, 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,440 maybe even more interesting ones? 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,296 In 1999, my lab at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California 24 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:14,016 started working on this question with the goal of creating living organisms 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,056 with DNA made up of a six-letter genetic alphabet, 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,560 the four natural letters plus two additional new man-made letters. 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,376 Such an organism would be 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,256 the first radically altered form of life ever created. 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,216 It would be a semisynthetic form of life 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,120 that stores more information than life ever has before. 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,976 It would be able to make new proteins, 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,736 proteins built from more than the 20 normal amino acids 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,680 that are usually used to build proteins. 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,640 What sort of stories could that life tell? 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,216 With the power of synthetic chemistry and molecular biology 36 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,816 and just under 20 years of work, 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,376 we created bacteria with six-letter DNA. 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,829 Let me tell you how we did it. 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,176 All you have to remember from your high school biology 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,696 is that the four natural letters pair together to form two base pairs. 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,976 G pairs with C and A pairs with T, 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,816 so to create our new letters, 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,376 we synthesized hundreds of new candidates, new candidate letters, 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,448 and examined their abilities to selectively pair with each other. 45 00:02:11,472 --> 00:02:13,176 And after about 15 years of work, 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,776 we found two that paired together really well, 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,496 at least in a test tube. 48 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,216 They have complicated names, 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,860 but let's just call them X and Y. 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,376 The next thing we needed to do was find a way to get X and Y into cells, 51 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,936 and eventually we found that a protein that does something similar in algae 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,336 worked in our bacteria. 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,856 So the final thing that we needed to do was to show that with X and Y provided, 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,400 cells could grow and divide and hold on to X and Y in their DNA. 55 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,976 Everything we had done up to then took longer than I had hoped -- 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,016 I am actually a really impatient person -- 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,840 but this, the most important step, worked faster than I dreamed, 58 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,040 basically immediately. 59 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,856 On a weekend in 2014, 60 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,960 a graduate student in my lab grew bacteria with six-letter DNA. 61 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,776 Let me take the opportunity to introduce you to them right now. 62 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,440 This is an actual picture of them. 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,320 These are the first semisynthetic organisms. 64 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,256 So bacteria with six-letter DNA, that's really cool, right? 65 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,720 Well, maybe some of you are still wondering why. 66 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,856 So let me tell you a little bit more about some of our motivations, 67 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,816 both conceptual and practical. 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,536 Conceptually, people have thought about life, what it is, 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,176 what makes it different from things that are not alive, 70 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,856 since people have had thoughts. 71 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,176 Many have interpreted life as being perfect, 72 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,696 and this was taken as evidence of a creator. 73 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,376 Living things are different because a god breathed life into them. 74 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,736 Others have sought a more scientific explanation, 75 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,136 but I think it's fair to say 76 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,056 that they still consider the molecules of life to be special. 77 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,496 I mean, evolution has been optimizing them for billions of years, right? 78 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,456 Whatever perspective you take, it would seem pretty impossible 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,496 for chemists to come in and build new parts 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,536 that function within and alongside the natural molecules of life 81 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,920 without somehow really screwing everything up. 82 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,456 But just how perfectly created or evolved are we? 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Just how special are the molecules of life? 84 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,976 These questions have been impossible to even ask, 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,120 because we've had nothing to compare life to. 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,976 Now for the first time, our work suggests 87 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,696 that maybe the molecules of life aren't that special. 88 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Maybe life as we know it isn't the only way it could be. 89 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,136 Maybe we're not the only solution, maybe not even the best solution, 90 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,600 just a solution. 91 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,176 These questions address fundamental issues about life, 92 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,056 but maybe they seem a little esoteric. 93 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,816 So what about practical motivations? 94 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,616 Well, we want to explore what sort of new stories 95 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,736 life with an expanded vocabulary could tell, 96 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,976 and remember, stories here are the proteins that a cell produces 97 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,376 and the functions they have. 98 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,496 So what sort of new proteins with new types of functions 99 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,176 could our semisynthetic organisms make and maybe even use? 100 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Well, we have a couple of things in mind. 101 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,816 The first is to get the cells to make proteins for us, for our use. 102 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:57,256 Proteins are being used today 103 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,016 for an increasingly broad range of different applications, 104 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,296 from materials that protect soldiers from injury 105 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,536 to devices that detect dangerous compounds, 106 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,896 but at least to me, 107 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 the most exciting application is protein drugs. 108 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,576 Despite being relatively new, 109 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,016 protein drugs have already revolutionized medicine, 110 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,736 and, for example, insulin is a protein. 111 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,616 You've probably heard of it, and it's manufactured as a drug 112 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,296 that has completely changed how we treat diabetes. 113 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,296 But the problem is that proteins are really hard to make 114 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,920 and the only practical way to get them is to get cells to make them for you. 115 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,576 So of course, with natural cells, 116 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,096 you can only get them to make proteins with the natural amino acids, 117 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,336 and so the properties those proteins can have, 118 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,856 the applications they could be developed for, 119 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,376 must be limited by the nature of those amino acids 120 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,896 that the protein's built from. 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,136 So here they are, 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,416 the 20 normal amino acids that are strung together to make a protein, 123 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,296 and I think you can see, they're not that different-looking. 124 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,536 They don't bring that many different functions. 125 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,216 They don't make that many different functions available. 126 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,816 Compare that with the small molecules that synthetic chemists make as drugs. 127 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,776 Now, they're much simpler than proteins, 128 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,216 but they're routinely built from a much broader range of diverse things. 129 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,176 Don't worry about the molecular details, 130 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,416 but I think you can see how different they are. 131 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,376 And in fact, it's their differences that make them great drugs 132 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,776 to treat different diseases. 133 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,976 So it's really provocative to wonder what sort of new protein drugs 134 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,360 you could develop if you could build proteins from more diverse things. 135 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,776 So can we get our semisynthetic organism 136 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,016 to make proteins that include new and different amino acids, 137 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,296 maybe amino acids selected to confer the protein 138 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,400 with some desired property or function? 139 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,896 For example, 140 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,056 many proteins just aren't stable when you inject them into people. 141 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,256 They are rapidly degraded or eliminated, 142 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,080 and this stops them from being drugs. 143 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,496 What if we could make proteins with new amino acids 144 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,336 with things attached to them 145 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,336 that protect them from their environment, 146 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,536 that protect them from being degraded or eliminated, 147 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,240 so that they could be better drugs? 148 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,976 Could we make proteins with little fingers attached 149 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,480 that specifically grab on to other molecules? 150 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,216 Many small molecules failed during development as drugs 151 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,176 because they just weren't specific enough to find their target 152 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,336 in the complex environment of the human body. 153 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,976 So could we take those molecules and make them parts of new amino acids 154 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,776 that, when incorporated into a protein, 155 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,160 are guided by that protein to their target? 156 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,216 I started a biotech company called Synthorx. 157 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,856 Synthorx stands for synthetic organism 158 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,536 with an X added at the end because that's what you do with biotech companies. 159 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,976 (Laughter) 160 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,016 Synthorx is working closely with my lab, 161 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,376 and they're interested in a protein that recognizes a certain receptor 162 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,096 on the surface of human cells. 163 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,576 But the problem is that it also recognizes 164 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,296 another receptor on the surface of those same cells, 165 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,960 and that makes it toxic. 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,936 So could we produce a variant of that protein 167 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,296 where the part that interacts with that second bad receptor is shielded, 168 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,256 blocked by something like a big umbrella 169 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,360 so that the protein only interacts with that first good receptor? 170 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,256 Doing that would be really difficult 171 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,536 or impossible to do with the normal amino acids, 172 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,000 but not with amino acids that are specifically designed for that purpose. 173 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,696 So getting our semisynthetic cells to act as little factories 174 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,216 to produce better protein drugs 175 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,976 isn't the only potentially really interesting application, 176 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,400 because remember, it's the proteins that allow cells to do what they do. 177 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,616 So if we have cells that make new proteins with new functions, 178 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,216 could we get them to do things that natural cells can't do? 179 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,016 For example, could we develop semisynthetic organisms 180 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,176 that when injected into a person, seek out cancer cells 181 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,520 and only when they find them, secrete a toxic protein that kills them? 182 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,336 Could we create bacteria that eat different kinds of oil, 183 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,256 maybe to clean up an oil spill? 184 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,496 These are just a couple of the types of stories 185 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,776 that we're going to see if life with an expanded vocabulary can tell. 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,296 So, sounds great, right? 187 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,216 Injecting semisynthetic organisms into people, 188 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,616 dumping millions and millions of gallons of our bacteria into the ocean 189 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,136 or out on your favorite beach? 190 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,616 Oh, wait a minute, actually it sounds really scary. 191 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,640 This dinosaur is really scary. 192 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,256 But here's the catch: 193 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,856 our semisynthetic organisms in order to survive, 194 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,800 need to be fed the chemical precursors of X and Y. 195 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,280 X and Y are completely different than anything that exists in nature. 196 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Cells just don't have them or the ability to make them. 197 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:22,856 So when we prepare them, 198 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,816 when we grow them up in the controlled environment of the lab, 199 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,936 we can feed them lots of the unnatural food. 200 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,296 Then, when we deploy them in a person or out on a beach 201 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,016 where they no longer have access that special food, 202 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,136 they can grow for a little bit, they can survive for a little, 203 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,656 maybe just long enough to perform some intended function, 204 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,816 but then they start to run out of the food. 205 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,176 They start to starve. 206 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,320 They starve to death and they just disappear. 207 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,896 So not only could we get life to tell new stories, 208 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,920 we get to tell life when and where to tell those stories. 209 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,616 At the beginning of this talk I told you that we reported in 2014 210 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,856 the creation of semisynthetic organisms that store more information, 211 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,976 X and Y, in their DNA. 212 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,456 But all the motivations that we just talked about 213 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,936 require cells to use X and Y to make proteins, 214 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,640 so we started working on that. 215 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,296 Within a couple years, we showed that the cells could take DNA with X and Y 216 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 and copy it into RNA, the working copy of DNA. 217 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:21,376 And late last year, 218 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,536 we showed that they could then use X and Y to make proteins. 219 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,216 Here they are, the stars of the show, 220 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,720 the first fully-functional semisynthetic organisms. 221 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:36,200 (Applause) 222 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,536 These cells are green because they're making a protein that glows green. 223 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:44,096 It's a pretty famous protein, actually, from jellyfish 224 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,216 that a lot of people use in its natural form 225 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,280 because it's easy to see that you made it. 226 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,176 But within every one of these proteins, 227 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,960 there's a new amino acid that natural life can't build proteins with. 228 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,000 Every living cell, every living cell ever, 229 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,536 has made every one of its proteins 230 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,600 using a four-letter genetic alphabet. 231 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,856 These cells are living and growing and making protein 232 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,776 with a six-letter alphabet. 233 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,200 These are a new form of life. 234 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,520 This is a semisynthetic form of life. 235 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,616 So what about the future? 236 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,216 My lab is already working on expanding the genetic alphabet of other cells, 237 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,456 including human cells, 238 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,136 and we're getting ready to start working on more complex organisms. 239 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Think semisynthetic worms. 240 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,096 The last thing I want to say to you, 241 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,536 the most important thing that I want to say to you, 242 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:39,920 is that the time of semisynthetic life is here. 243 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,016 Thank you. 244 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,720 (Applause) 245 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,976 Chris Anderson: I mean, Floyd, this is so remarkable. 246 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,736 I just wanted to ask you, 247 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,256 what are the implications of your work 248 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,136 for how we should think about the possibilities for life, 249 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,416 like, in the universe, elsewhere? 250 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,576 It just seems like so much of life, or so much of our assumptions are based 251 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,456 on the fact that of course, it's got to be DNA, 252 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,736 but is the possibility space of self-replicating molecules 253 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,856 much bigger than DNA, even just DNA with six letters? 254 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,256 Floyd Romesberg: Absolutely, I think that's right, 255 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,016 and I think what our work has shown, 256 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,736 as I mentioned, is that there's been always this prejudice 257 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,136 that sort of we're perfect, 258 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,736 we're optimal, God created us this way, 259 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,856 evolution perfected us this way. 260 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,160 We've made molecules that work right alongside the natural ones, 261 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,656 and I think that suggests that any molecules 262 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,336 that obey the fundamental laws of chemistry and physics 263 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,616 and you can optimize them 264 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,376 could do the things that the natural molecules of life do. 265 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,136 There's nothing magic there. 266 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,536 And I think that it suggests 267 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,616 that life could evolve many different ways, 268 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,496 maybe similar to us with other types of DNA, 269 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,240 maybe things without DNA at all. 270 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,376 CA: I mean, in your mind, 271 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,736 how big might that possibility space be? 272 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,416 Do we even know? Are most things going to look something like a DNA molecule, 273 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,376 or something radically different that can still self-reproduce 274 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,336 and potentially create living organisms? 275 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,856 FR: My personal opinion is that if we found new life, 276 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,096 we might not even recognize it. 277 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,056 CA: So this obsession with the search for Goldilocks planets 278 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,496 in exactly the right place with water and whatever, 279 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,816 that's a very parochial assumption, perhaps. 280 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,256 FR: Well, if you want to find someone you can talk to, then maybe not, 281 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,176 but I think that if you're just looking for any form of life, 282 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,096 I think that's right, I think that you're looking for life under the light post. 283 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,456 CA: Thank you for boggling all our minds. Thank so much, Floyd. 284 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,120 (Applause)