1 00:00:16,489 --> 00:00:18,620 I've been told that it's a bad taste 2 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:21,480 to start a TED talk by introducing oneself, 3 00:00:22,270 --> 00:00:28,361 and yet, my name is Sandris Ādminis and there is something weird about it. 4 00:00:29,302 --> 00:00:34,041 Firstly, Google doesn't let me register an account with such a name. 5 00:00:34,041 --> 00:00:37,002 I've tried several times, and they just would not allow it. 6 00:00:37,002 --> 00:00:38,510 And I guess the reason 7 00:00:38,510 --> 00:00:43,579 is that part of my last name consists of the English word "admin," 8 00:00:43,579 --> 00:00:48,145 so probably, it's just for safety, so that I don't start scamming people 9 00:00:48,145 --> 00:00:51,120 as if I was one of the administrators of Google. 10 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:53,932 But there is something else. 11 00:00:53,932 --> 00:00:57,761 "Ādminis" is a Latvian word meaning "tanner," 12 00:00:57,761 --> 00:01:01,067 and tanner is a person that works with animal skins. 13 00:01:02,177 --> 00:01:03,176 So probably, 14 00:01:03,176 --> 00:01:06,531 one of my great-great-great-great grandfathers was a tanner 15 00:01:06,531 --> 00:01:08,522 and that's how I got this surname. 16 00:01:08,522 --> 00:01:13,813 A while ago, I found a book about forgotten crafts, 17 00:01:13,813 --> 00:01:19,380 and there was a chapter about tanners, so, of course, I was intrigued to read it. 18 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:24,479 And what struck me there was a tip from a professional tanner 19 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:29,060 who said that if you want to make a high-quality leather bag, 20 00:01:29,820 --> 00:01:33,902 you should buy skins from meat cows, from beef cows, 21 00:01:33,902 --> 00:01:37,320 and you should never buy skins from milk cows, from dairy cows 22 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:39,840 because they have been pregnant several times, 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,411 their skin is stretched, not as flexible anymore, 24 00:01:42,411 --> 00:01:44,030 so it's not a good quality. 25 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:47,671 That's quite a practical tip, right? 26 00:01:48,521 --> 00:01:50,469 But for me, it was rather awkward. 27 00:01:51,499 --> 00:01:53,181 And why so? 28 00:01:54,101 --> 00:01:59,285 Because you are not very likely to find me 29 00:02:00,095 --> 00:02:03,823 buying somebody's skin or taking somebody's skin. 30 00:02:03,823 --> 00:02:08,651 You are much more likely to see me advocating against killing animals. 31 00:02:08,651 --> 00:02:11,981 Here I am in a silent protest against fur farming; 32 00:02:13,011 --> 00:02:18,311 interviewing people at a circus protest against exploiting animals in circus. 33 00:02:19,151 --> 00:02:20,792 I'm also doing a radio show 34 00:02:20,792 --> 00:02:24,390 about animal rights and veganism, and science discoveries. 35 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:28,702 And I enjoy doing school talks for kids. 36 00:02:30,212 --> 00:02:32,791 And here are some Latvian activists 37 00:02:32,791 --> 00:02:36,541 bringing the petition to ban fur farming to the Parliament. 38 00:02:36,541 --> 00:02:39,420 Coming back to my last name, "tanner," 39 00:02:40,570 --> 00:02:45,492 I guess if there was such a thing as an intergenerational karma, 40 00:02:45,492 --> 00:02:47,432 I might be the living proof of it. 41 00:02:49,184 --> 00:02:52,343 Yeah, in those years, basically for 10 years, 42 00:02:52,343 --> 00:02:54,935 I've been involved in animal advocacy 43 00:02:54,935 --> 00:02:58,381 and working with people who know a lot about animals, 44 00:02:58,381 --> 00:03:01,902 and in this time, one of the main things I've noticed 45 00:03:01,902 --> 00:03:08,090 is that our understanding about them is incomplete and superficial, even wrong. 46 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,952 And even in cases when we consider them, the animals, 47 00:03:14,952 --> 00:03:18,210 the focus tends to be on the benefit for humans, right, 48 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:23,010 because humans are the most significant entities in the universe. 49 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:27,401 Everything is regarded in terms of human values and human experiences. 50 00:03:28,351 --> 00:03:34,019 But is such an exclusively human-centered perspective justified? 51 00:03:35,991 --> 00:03:41,161 Did you know that sheep can remember many faces? 52 00:03:43,091 --> 00:03:49,290 Or that apes can remember hundreds of hand signs and communicate with them? 53 00:03:50,933 --> 00:03:54,360 Or, did you know that pigs are so similar to us 54 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,731 that their internal organs could be used, like, for donation, 55 00:03:59,731 --> 00:04:02,101 for transplants? 56 00:04:03,001 --> 00:04:09,061 Speaking of pigs, all pigs are equal, but some pigs are much more equal. 57 00:04:10,002 --> 00:04:13,900 And what I mean by that is that depending on the context, 58 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,817 they are treated very differently by humans. 59 00:04:18,451 --> 00:04:21,981 Have you heard about Esther, the Wonder Pig? 60 00:04:22,851 --> 00:04:23,875 Because you should, 61 00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:26,362 she's the most famous pig in the world at the moment. 62 00:04:26,362 --> 00:04:28,314 She even has her own [TEDx] talk. 63 00:04:28,314 --> 00:04:30,902 She was adopted as a mini-pig, 64 00:04:30,902 --> 00:04:35,280 so the family took her in thinking that she will grow to the size of a cat. 65 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:37,362 But they were wrong. 66 00:04:37,362 --> 00:04:38,720 (Laughter) 67 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,110 Now she's huge and she weighs more than the rest of her family together. 68 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:44,351 And what would you do 69 00:04:44,351 --> 00:04:46,543 with a family member that keeps on growing? 70 00:04:46,543 --> 00:04:48,411 I hope it's not selling them. 71 00:04:49,301 --> 00:04:51,461 Yeah, you make more space for it. 72 00:04:51,461 --> 00:04:52,492 (Laughter) 73 00:04:52,492 --> 00:04:54,764 Or, should I say, for her. 74 00:04:54,764 --> 00:04:59,090 She is a part of that family, just like that cat and that dog is. 75 00:04:59,090 --> 00:05:02,202 They eat together, play together, sleep together, 76 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:04,862 they have distinct personalities. 77 00:05:04,862 --> 00:05:08,620 And is there a morally relevant difference 78 00:05:08,620 --> 00:05:12,051 between a cat and a pig, or a dog and a pig? 79 00:05:14,131 --> 00:05:18,451 If not, why should pigs be treated worse than they? 80 00:05:19,311 --> 00:05:23,672 Isn't it a form of racism, I mean, speciesism? 81 00:05:24,803 --> 00:05:29,612 But unfortunately, this is not a typical life story of a pig. 82 00:05:31,022 --> 00:05:32,844 This is a typical modern farm 83 00:05:32,844 --> 00:05:36,671 where typical pigs spend their typical lives 84 00:05:36,671 --> 00:05:40,351 without enjoying sunshine or grass under their feet, 85 00:05:40,351 --> 00:05:44,179 never digging for tasty roots or never rolling in the mud. 86 00:05:45,479 --> 00:05:48,782 And to me, the mind-itching question is: 87 00:05:48,782 --> 00:05:50,151 why? 88 00:05:50,151 --> 00:05:55,946 Why do we treat some animals as individuals and even as our friends 89 00:05:55,946 --> 00:06:02,010 while at the same time, we treat others as replaceable units, and even things? 90 00:06:05,613 --> 00:06:08,061 What do you see in this picture? 91 00:06:08,061 --> 00:06:11,812 It's lots of pigs, right? It's a successful business. 92 00:06:12,802 --> 00:06:15,950 But what if you knew that one of them was Esther, 93 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:19,351 a curious being that once lived in a family, 94 00:06:19,351 --> 00:06:23,162 was close friends with the dog Ruben and the cat Finnegan? 95 00:06:24,102 --> 00:06:26,288 Would you perceive this photo the same way? 96 00:06:27,938 --> 00:06:33,529 What I'm saying is that seeing or imagining animals, or humans, 97 00:06:33,529 --> 00:06:35,581 as a part of a faceless crowd 98 00:06:36,781 --> 00:06:42,721 makes it easy to normalize all kinds of bad things, atrocities done to them, 99 00:06:44,641 --> 00:06:46,651 things that we wouldn't accept otherwise. 100 00:06:47,921 --> 00:06:50,202 We could also eliminate all the traces 101 00:06:50,202 --> 00:06:53,451 that lead us to perceive them as individuals: 102 00:06:53,451 --> 00:06:57,222 no face, no name, no skin, no context at all, 103 00:06:57,222 --> 00:07:01,420 just a product with a date of expiration and a price. 104 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,020 It makes it easy, right? 105 00:07:05,461 --> 00:07:08,741 When I was in high school, I was staying with my grandma, 106 00:07:08,741 --> 00:07:10,601 and one night, I was really hungry. 107 00:07:10,601 --> 00:07:13,241 I went to the fridge, there was a piece of bacon, 108 00:07:13,241 --> 00:07:16,952 I cut a slice of it, enjoyed it, wanted to have some more, 109 00:07:16,952 --> 00:07:20,381 but then I noticed that there was a nipple on it, 110 00:07:20,381 --> 00:07:21,681 just like in this photo. 111 00:07:22,381 --> 00:07:24,830 Can you eat something that has a nipple? 112 00:07:26,370 --> 00:07:29,389 I managed to swallow that bite that I already had, 113 00:07:29,389 --> 00:07:32,560 but that was a life-transforming experience. 114 00:07:34,748 --> 00:07:37,750 So, the way we treat animals 115 00:07:37,750 --> 00:07:40,569 depends on how we see them and what we know about them. 116 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:47,785 Over time, humanity has also changed its perception of animals. 117 00:07:49,565 --> 00:07:51,721 For example, I still can't believe 118 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:54,881 that the superstar of the Western philosophy, 119 00:07:54,881 --> 00:07:57,062 one of the brightest minds, René Descartes, 120 00:07:57,062 --> 00:08:00,813 once argued that animals are merely biological machines, 121 00:08:00,813 --> 00:08:04,096 not thinking, not being conscious, not even feeling. 122 00:08:06,532 --> 00:08:09,621 Or Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher. 123 00:08:09,621 --> 00:08:12,865 He saw nature organized in a clear hierarchy, 124 00:08:12,865 --> 00:08:16,289 humans being the most perfect ones on the top, 125 00:08:16,289 --> 00:08:20,992 then mammals far below, birds, reptiles, and so on, 126 00:08:20,992 --> 00:08:24,590 and each of the levels on the lower side 127 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:27,542 were supposedly meant for the upper levels. 128 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:34,741 And by the way, according to Aristotle, he thought that also women were below men 129 00:08:34,741 --> 00:08:40,321 and at least a little higher than slaves who were also a natural part of the world, 130 00:08:40,321 --> 00:08:41,800 at least in his times. 131 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:46,850 The biblical view was pretty similar: 132 00:08:47,810 --> 00:08:54,709 man had God's given rights to rule over everything else, everyone else. 133 00:08:57,180 --> 00:09:01,289 It's only since Charles Darwin published his influential book 134 00:09:01,289 --> 00:09:03,466 "On the Origin of Species," 135 00:09:03,466 --> 00:09:04,470 only since then, 136 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:09,112 we are starting to accept our connection with other beings, other species. 137 00:09:10,608 --> 00:09:16,058 So modern biology doesn't see nature as a simple hierarchy, 138 00:09:16,058 --> 00:09:17,749 as Aristotle or the Bible did. 139 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,123 To the contrary, it's rather organized 140 00:09:24,123 --> 00:09:27,921 in an incredibly complex way, but still a unified way. 141 00:09:28,619 --> 00:09:34,110 Even illustrations like this one, made by the Tree of Life Web Project, 142 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:37,142 are a simplification of the complexity of earthlings, 143 00:09:37,142 --> 00:09:40,569 the family network of life forms on our planet. 144 00:09:41,149 --> 00:09:44,259 Almost every day, scientists uncover new data on animals, 145 00:09:44,259 --> 00:09:48,391 and there is an awkward amount of new knowledge. 146 00:09:49,462 --> 00:09:54,462 In the recent century alone, we have developed so many things, 147 00:09:54,462 --> 00:09:58,510 technology that helps us understand them better, animals, 148 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,361 both for scientists and for us. 149 00:10:00,361 --> 00:10:05,000 We have been learning about life under water, deep in the oceans. 150 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:07,781 Millions of people recently watched 151 00:10:07,781 --> 00:10:10,859 a live-stream video about a giraffe baby being born. 152 00:10:10,859 --> 00:10:13,370 I imagine that at least some of you in this audience 153 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:17,380 enjoy spying on birds via video streams from their nests; 154 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:19,821 these videos are very popular in Latvia. 155 00:10:21,991 --> 00:10:24,931 We have also learned that there are many other humanoids, 156 00:10:24,931 --> 00:10:26,830 not just Homo sapiens. 157 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:29,083 And genetics as a science is opening our eyes 158 00:10:29,083 --> 00:10:32,541 about the relatedness on a stunning micro level. 159 00:10:34,881 --> 00:10:37,611 So, inevitably, new data and discoveries 160 00:10:37,611 --> 00:10:43,523 are pushing us to rethink our place in the universe 161 00:10:43,523 --> 00:10:45,883 and also our relation to other animals. 162 00:10:46,923 --> 00:10:52,849 It's a part of an already existing trend of dethroning, of decrowning ourselves 163 00:10:52,849 --> 00:10:58,390 and getting rid of the sweet illusion of being the center of everything. 164 00:10:59,891 --> 00:11:01,471 Major scientific breakthroughs 165 00:11:01,471 --> 00:11:05,271 again and again have pushed us to humble self-perception. 166 00:11:06,121 --> 00:11:09,581 Like, once we believed that we were created, 167 00:11:09,581 --> 00:11:12,642 that our planet was the center of the universe, 168 00:11:12,642 --> 00:11:14,132 and now we know we aren't. 169 00:11:14,132 --> 00:11:17,182 We thought that at least we are in the center of the solar system 170 00:11:17,182 --> 00:11:18,961 and everything is circling around us, 171 00:11:18,961 --> 00:11:20,458 but that's also not true. 172 00:11:21,938 --> 00:11:26,773 Also, there was no doubt that we are fundamentally different from those beasts, 173 00:11:26,773 --> 00:11:29,773 that we are rather godlike creatures, right? 174 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:31,762 But now, there is more and more evidence 175 00:11:31,762 --> 00:11:35,621 that Homo sapiens, humans, are just one of the many species, 176 00:11:35,621 --> 00:11:40,281 sharing all kinds of traits and capabilities that we value highly 177 00:11:40,281 --> 00:11:44,827 with other animals who have those too. 178 00:11:48,071 --> 00:11:51,793 And humanity has already started to take this message on-board. 179 00:11:53,073 --> 00:11:57,242 Animals are more and more taking space in our imagination, 180 00:11:57,242 --> 00:11:58,722 on the political agenda; 181 00:11:58,722 --> 00:12:03,008 and environmental awareness and animal protection standards 182 00:12:03,008 --> 00:12:04,406 are higher than ever. 183 00:12:06,346 --> 00:12:09,992 There are more and more alternatives for animal products, 184 00:12:09,992 --> 00:12:12,219 and their well-being is mentioned 185 00:12:12,219 --> 00:12:15,751 even in the credits of movies and on shampoo bottles. 186 00:12:17,812 --> 00:12:22,732 In other words, animals are entering the human-centered world 187 00:12:22,732 --> 00:12:24,282 in unprecedented ways. 188 00:12:26,702 --> 00:12:28,385 But where do we go from here? 189 00:12:28,385 --> 00:12:29,628 Should we envision times 190 00:12:29,628 --> 00:12:35,223 when the golden rule of ethics to treat others as you would wish to be treated 191 00:12:37,343 --> 00:12:42,196 applies not just to humans, but also to at least some other species? 192 00:12:43,605 --> 00:12:46,582 We might even go much further, envisioning times 193 00:12:46,582 --> 00:12:50,722 when the wolf and the lamb would peacefully dwell together 194 00:12:50,722 --> 00:12:53,721 like in the biblical scene of paradise. 195 00:12:54,699 --> 00:12:58,731 Our imagination is boundless, and it can bring us quite far. 196 00:12:58,731 --> 00:13:03,573 Did you know that once, at least once, humans even tried animals in courts? 197 00:13:04,633 --> 00:13:09,743 In 1457, a pig and her piglets were accused of a murder of a child. 198 00:13:10,232 --> 00:13:13,519 The mother pig was found guilty, but her babies innocent. 199 00:13:14,534 --> 00:13:16,822 It really happened, a serious court case. 200 00:13:17,392 --> 00:13:19,942 Or, consider the story sometimes told to children, 201 00:13:19,942 --> 00:13:21,951 especially when they ask too many questions 202 00:13:21,951 --> 00:13:23,913 about our treatment of animals. 203 00:13:23,913 --> 00:13:29,034 They are told that in exchange for food, safety and shelter, 204 00:13:29,034 --> 00:13:33,733 cows agree to give us their milk, chickens agree to give us their eggs, 205 00:13:33,733 --> 00:13:37,858 and pigs agree to give us their flesh and their babies, and so on. 206 00:13:38,336 --> 00:13:39,336 Even as adults, 207 00:13:39,336 --> 00:13:43,306 we keep saying sometimes that animals are giving us all those things, 208 00:13:43,306 --> 00:13:46,801 although it's clear that we are the ones who make those choices. 209 00:13:48,231 --> 00:13:54,471 So, surely, this story should be in the same book of historic curiosities 210 00:13:54,471 --> 00:13:56,498 as the story about the pig in the court. 211 00:13:58,143 --> 00:14:01,892 But on the other hand, we have also been, historically, really successful 212 00:14:01,892 --> 00:14:06,561 at denying animal emotions and animal sentience, mental skills, 213 00:14:07,361 --> 00:14:12,893 so we need to find a balance between those extremes 214 00:14:12,893 --> 00:14:15,183 with the best new evidence that we have. 215 00:14:17,848 --> 00:14:20,482 Of course, there will be serious dilemmas. 216 00:14:20,482 --> 00:14:22,877 Suppose that a driverless car 217 00:14:22,877 --> 00:14:27,836 is programmed to estimate various risks of collisions. 218 00:14:27,836 --> 00:14:31,222 It is driving, and suddenly, a piglet is crossing the road: 219 00:14:31,222 --> 00:14:34,593 What should the car's programming be in such a case? 220 00:14:34,593 --> 00:14:37,101 Should it try not to hit the piglet at any cost, 221 00:14:37,101 --> 00:14:38,997 even to the humans in the car, 222 00:14:38,997 --> 00:14:43,124 or should it run over the piglet only as a last resort to save humans? 223 00:14:44,498 --> 00:14:48,759 Or should this piglet be sacrificed even if the car is empty 224 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,891 to avoid the damage costs? 225 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,340 What is the value of a pig's life? 226 00:14:57,132 --> 00:15:00,171 Actually, such decisions are made every day already now. 227 00:15:00,871 --> 00:15:04,681 Because it's not animals who make those choices and decisions, it's us; 228 00:15:04,681 --> 00:15:08,992 it's not them who rule the world, we kind of do, 229 00:15:10,452 --> 00:15:14,300 and we decide which animals exist and in what conditions. 230 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:19,940 So I guess with such great power also comes great responsibility. 231 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,762 I believe in humanity, I believe in humankind, in human kindness. 232 00:15:29,882 --> 00:15:34,052 I believe that we can exercise this great power that we have 233 00:15:34,052 --> 00:15:36,877 in an intelligent and kind way. 234 00:15:38,197 --> 00:15:42,086 Otherwise, I wouldn't come and stand up here. 235 00:15:43,917 --> 00:15:45,720 Many animal-related issues 236 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,266 are already becoming less and less controversial. 237 00:15:49,176 --> 00:15:51,693 They are based upon the simple value of kindness, 238 00:15:51,693 --> 00:15:56,191 the simple idea of not harming unnecessarily. 239 00:15:58,447 --> 00:16:01,160 And I see human kind already mobilizing. 240 00:16:01,170 --> 00:16:06,442 Like, we know that we will not die of cold just because we are not wearing fur coats, 241 00:16:06,442 --> 00:16:08,897 so the fur farms are slowly closing down. 242 00:16:09,441 --> 00:16:11,806 We found ways of making safe cosmetics, 243 00:16:11,806 --> 00:16:13,984 so there is no need to test them on animals. 244 00:16:15,414 --> 00:16:21,049 We learned that we can enjoy circus shows without exploiting and caging animals, 245 00:16:22,259 --> 00:16:25,770 so the circus is changing right in front of our eyes, right? 246 00:16:27,911 --> 00:16:32,057 But still, there is a huge problem, the biggest problem, 247 00:16:32,057 --> 00:16:35,932 the elephant in the room, or should we say, the pig in the room. 248 00:16:37,468 --> 00:16:42,709 Why are we still treating animals - cows, pigs, chickens and so many others - 249 00:16:42,709 --> 00:16:47,301 as if they were not individuals, but things for consumption? 250 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:56,270 They are sentient beings who can feel joy, feel fear, pain and many other things. 251 00:16:57,310 --> 00:16:58,540 If we know all that, 252 00:16:58,540 --> 00:17:01,541 why are we still sticking forks in their bodies? 253 00:17:01,541 --> 00:17:05,470 Is it still a matter of survival for us in the 21st century? 254 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:10,806 I think there are already ways to live well 255 00:17:10,806 --> 00:17:13,001 with nothing taken away from animals, 256 00:17:13,001 --> 00:17:14,589 and in less than a hundred years, 257 00:17:14,589 --> 00:17:17,761 eating animals might be just as unimaginable 258 00:17:17,761 --> 00:17:22,193 as cannibalism or slavery or witch burning is right now. 259 00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:26,631 Even today, 260 00:17:26,631 --> 00:17:31,841 I believe if humanity, each one of us, would notice and accept 261 00:17:31,841 --> 00:17:35,544 that each animal is someone, not something, 262 00:17:35,544 --> 00:17:38,006 we would stop making excuses. 263 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:43,560 And knowing how kindly many of us treat cats and dogs, 264 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,103 it's obvious that we already have it inside of us. 265 00:17:48,771 --> 00:17:53,772 So let's allow kindness, this essence of being a human, 266 00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:54,932 to guide us, 267 00:17:54,932 --> 00:17:56,342 let's embrace it fully 268 00:17:56,342 --> 00:18:00,785 without discriminating dogs, cats, pigs, cows. 269 00:18:02,955 --> 00:18:05,001 Kindness will lead us away 270 00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:10,251 from causing suffering and causing pain and harm, 271 00:18:10,251 --> 00:18:13,381 and not just to humans, but also to other animals. 272 00:18:15,412 --> 00:18:16,463 Thank you. 273 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:18,885 (Applause)