1 00:00:00,509 --> 00:00:04,841 I'd like to tell you about a legal case that I worked on 2 00:00:04,841 --> 00:00:08,404 involving a man named Steve Titus. 3 00:00:08,404 --> 00:00:11,433 Titus was a restaurant manager. 4 00:00:11,433 --> 00:00:15,523 He was 31 years old, he lived in Seattle, Washington, 5 00:00:15,523 --> 00:00:17,418 he was engaged to Gretchen, 6 00:00:17,418 --> 00:00:20,366 about to be married, she was the love of his life. 7 00:00:20,366 --> 00:00:22,650 And one night, the couple went out 8 00:00:22,650 --> 00:00:25,655 for a romantic restaurant meal. 9 00:00:25,655 --> 00:00:27,303 They were on their way home, 10 00:00:27,303 --> 00:00:30,253 and they were pulled over by a police officer. 11 00:00:30,253 --> 00:00:33,570 You see, Titus' car sort of resembled 12 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:37,457 a car that was driven earlier in the evening 13 00:00:37,457 --> 00:00:40,863 by a man who raped a female hitchhiker, 14 00:00:40,863 --> 00:00:44,457 and Titus kind of resembled that rapist. 15 00:00:44,457 --> 00:00:47,035 So the police took a picture of Titus, 16 00:00:47,035 --> 00:00:49,802 they put it in a photo lineup, 17 00:00:49,802 --> 00:00:51,962 they later showed it to the victim, 18 00:00:51,962 --> 00:00:54,122 and she pointed to Titus' photo. 19 00:00:54,122 --> 00:00:57,743 She said, "That one's the closest." 20 00:00:57,743 --> 00:01:01,631 The police and the prosecution proceeded with a trial, 21 00:01:01,631 --> 00:01:04,972 and when Steve Titus was put on trial for rape, 22 00:01:04,972 --> 00:01:07,068 the rape victim got on the stand 23 00:01:07,068 --> 00:01:11,410 and said, "I'm absolutely positive that's the man." 24 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:14,336 And Titus was convicted. 25 00:01:14,336 --> 00:01:16,310 He proclaimed his innocence, 26 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,892 his family screamed at the jury, 27 00:01:18,892 --> 00:01:21,763 his fiancée collapsed on the floor sobbing, 28 00:01:21,763 --> 00:01:25,158 and Titus is taken away to jail. 29 00:01:25,158 --> 00:01:28,616 So what would you do at this point? 30 00:01:28,616 --> 00:01:30,252 What would you do? 31 00:01:30,252 --> 00:01:34,020 Well, Titus lost complete faith in the legal system, 32 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:36,052 and yet he got an idea. 33 00:01:36,052 --> 00:01:38,483 He called up the local newspaper, 34 00:01:38,483 --> 00:01:41,870 he got the interest of an investigative journalist, 35 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:46,606 and that journalist actually found the real rapist, 36 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:49,959 a man who ultimately confessed to this rape, 37 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,251 a man who was thought to have committed 50 rapes 38 00:01:53,251 --> 00:01:54,583 in that area, 39 00:01:54,583 --> 00:01:57,757 and when this information was given to the judge, 40 00:01:57,757 --> 00:02:00,693 the judge set Titus free. 41 00:02:00,693 --> 00:02:04,724 And really, that's where this case should have ended. 42 00:02:04,724 --> 00:02:05,847 It should have been over. 43 00:02:05,847 --> 00:02:08,367 Titus should have thought of this as a horrible year, 44 00:02:08,367 --> 00:02:12,203 a year of accusation and trial, but over. 45 00:02:12,203 --> 00:02:14,250 It didn't end that way. 46 00:02:14,250 --> 00:02:16,928 Titus was so bitter. 47 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:19,508 He'd lost his job. He couldn't get it back. 48 00:02:19,508 --> 00:02:21,351 He lost his fiancée. 49 00:02:21,351 --> 00:02:24,257 She couldn't put up with his persistent anger. 50 00:02:24,257 --> 00:02:26,403 He lost his entire savings, 51 00:02:26,403 --> 00:02:29,261 and so he decided to file a lawsuit 52 00:02:29,261 --> 00:02:31,542 against the police and others whom he felt 53 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:33,861 were responsible for his suffering. 54 00:02:33,861 --> 00:02:38,574 And that's when I really started working on this case, 55 00:02:38,574 --> 00:02:40,535 trying to figure out 56 00:02:40,535 --> 00:02:42,609 how did that victim go from 57 00:02:42,609 --> 00:02:44,137 "That one's the closest" 58 00:02:44,137 --> 00:02:48,887 to "I'm absolutely positive that's the guy." 59 00:02:48,887 --> 00:02:52,166 Well, Titus was consumed with his civil case. 60 00:02:52,166 --> 00:02:55,200 He spent every waking moment thinking about it, 61 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,351 and just days before he was to have his day in court, 62 00:02:59,351 --> 00:03:01,570 he woke up in the morning, 63 00:03:01,570 --> 00:03:03,378 doubled over in pain, 64 00:03:03,378 --> 00:03:06,072 and died of a stress-related heart attack. 65 00:03:06,072 --> 00:03:09,259 He was 35 years old. 66 00:03:09,259 --> 00:03:14,069 So I was asked to work on Titus' case 67 00:03:14,069 --> 00:03:16,584 because I'm a psychological scientist. 68 00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:20,411 I study memory. I've studied memory for decades. 69 00:03:20,411 --> 00:03:23,800 And if I meet somebody on an airplane -- 70 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,896 this happened on the way over to Scotland -- 71 00:03:25,896 --> 00:03:27,726 if I meet somebody on an airplane, 72 00:03:27,726 --> 00:03:30,771 and we ask each other, "What do you do? What do you do?" 73 00:03:30,771 --> 00:03:32,222 and I say "I study memory," 74 00:03:32,222 --> 00:03:35,602 they usually want to tell me how they have trouble remembering names, 75 00:03:35,602 --> 00:03:38,401 or they've got a relative who's got Alzheimer's 76 00:03:38,416 --> 00:03:40,481 or some kind of memory problem, 77 00:03:40,481 --> 00:03:42,697 but I have to tell them 78 00:03:42,697 --> 00:03:46,202 I don't study when people forget. 79 00:03:46,202 --> 00:03:49,204 I study the opposite: when they remember, 80 00:03:49,204 --> 00:03:51,957 when they remember things that didn't happen 81 00:03:51,957 --> 00:03:53,922 or remember things that were different 82 00:03:53,922 --> 00:03:55,947 from the way they really were. 83 00:03:55,947 --> 00:04:00,683 I study false memories. 84 00:04:00,683 --> 00:04:04,990 Unhappily, Steve Titus is not the only person 85 00:04:04,990 --> 00:04:09,295 to be convicted based on somebody's false memory. 86 00:04:09,295 --> 00:04:12,603 In one project in the United States, 87 00:04:12,603 --> 00:04:14,855 information has been gathered 88 00:04:14,855 --> 00:04:18,789 on 300 innocent people, 89 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:22,684 300 defendants who were convicted of crimes they didn't do. 90 00:04:22,684 --> 00:04:27,984 They spent 10, 20, 30 years in prison for these crimes, 91 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:30,411 and now DNA testing has proven 92 00:04:30,411 --> 00:04:33,327 that they are actually innocent. 93 00:04:33,327 --> 00:04:35,848 And when those cases have been analyzed, 94 00:04:35,848 --> 00:04:37,989 three quarters of them 95 00:04:37,989 --> 00:04:43,600 are due to faulty memory, faulty eyewitness memory. 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,863 Well, why? 97 00:04:44,863 --> 00:04:48,314 Like the jurors who convicted those innocent people 98 00:04:48,314 --> 00:04:50,598 and the jurors who convicted Titus, 99 00:04:50,598 --> 00:04:52,839 many people believe that memory 100 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,486 works like a recording device. 101 00:04:54,486 --> 00:04:56,743 You just record the information, 102 00:04:56,743 --> 00:04:59,390 then you call it up and play it back 103 00:04:59,390 --> 00:05:02,817 when you want to answer questions or identify images. 104 00:05:02,817 --> 00:05:04,980 But decades of work in psychology 105 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:08,133 has shown that this just isn't true. 106 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:10,563 Our memories are constructive. 107 00:05:10,563 --> 00:05:12,132 They're reconstructive. 108 00:05:12,132 --> 00:05:15,613 Memory works a little bit more like a Wikipedia page: 109 00:05:15,613 --> 00:05:20,726 You can go in there and change it, but so can other people. 110 00:05:20,726 --> 00:05:25,975 I first started studying this constructive memory process 111 00:05:25,975 --> 00:05:28,390 in the 1970s. 112 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:32,813 I did my experiments that involved showing people 113 00:05:32,813 --> 00:05:35,318 simulated crimes and accidents 114 00:05:35,318 --> 00:05:38,836 and asking them questions about what they remember. 115 00:05:38,836 --> 00:05:42,775 In one study, we showed people a simulated accident 116 00:05:42,775 --> 00:05:44,053 and we asked people, 117 00:05:44,053 --> 00:05:46,917 how fast were the cars going when they hit each other? 118 00:05:46,917 --> 00:05:48,551 And we asked other people, 119 00:05:48,551 --> 00:05:52,240 how fast were the cars going when they smashed into each other? 120 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,242 And if we asked the leading "smashed" question, 121 00:05:55,242 --> 00:05:58,527 the witnesses told us the cars were going faster, 122 00:05:58,527 --> 00:06:02,524 and moreover, that leading "smashed" question 123 00:06:02,524 --> 00:06:05,384 caused people to be more likely to tell us 124 00:06:05,384 --> 00:06:08,451 that they saw broken glass in the accident scene 125 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:12,230 when there wasn't any broken glass at all. 126 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:15,119 In another study, we showed a simulated accident 127 00:06:15,119 --> 00:06:18,779 where a car went through an intersection with a stop sign, 128 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:23,711 and if we asked a question that insinuated it was a yield sign, 129 00:06:23,711 --> 00:06:27,560 many witnesses told us they remember seeing a yield sign 130 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,017 at the intersection, not a stop sign. 131 00:06:31,017 --> 00:06:33,206 And you might be thinking, well, you know, 132 00:06:33,206 --> 00:06:34,529 these are filmed events, 133 00:06:34,529 --> 00:06:36,457 they are not particularly stressful. 134 00:06:36,457 --> 00:06:39,191 Would the same kind of mistakes be made 135 00:06:39,191 --> 00:06:42,142 with a really stressful event? 136 00:06:42,142 --> 00:06:45,233 In a study we published just a few months ago, 137 00:06:45,233 --> 00:06:47,537 we have an answer to this question, 138 00:06:47,537 --> 00:06:50,301 because what was unusual about this study 139 00:06:50,301 --> 00:06:55,933 is we arranged for people to have a very stressful experience. 140 00:06:55,933 --> 00:06:58,162 The subjects in this study 141 00:06:58,162 --> 00:07:00,672 were members of the U.S. military 142 00:07:00,672 --> 00:07:05,097 who were undergoing a harrowing training exercise 143 00:07:05,097 --> 00:07:07,879 to teach them what it's going to be like for them 144 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:11,797 if they are ever captured as prisoners of war. 145 00:07:11,797 --> 00:07:14,227 And as part of this training exercise, 146 00:07:14,227 --> 00:07:17,756 these soldiers are interrogated in an aggressive, 147 00:07:17,756 --> 00:07:22,842 hostile, physically abusive fashion for 30 minutes 148 00:07:22,842 --> 00:07:25,659 and later on they have to try to identify 149 00:07:25,659 --> 00:07:28,682 the person who conducted that interrogation. 150 00:07:28,682 --> 00:07:32,505 And when we feed them suggestive information 151 00:07:32,505 --> 00:07:35,283 that insinuates it's a different person, 152 00:07:35,283 --> 00:07:39,320 many of them misidentify their interrogator, 153 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,155 often identifying someone who doesn't even remotely 154 00:07:43,155 --> 00:07:46,259 resemble the real interrogator. 155 00:07:46,259 --> 00:07:48,560 And so what these studies are showing 156 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,420 is that when you feed people misinformation 157 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:55,800 about some experience that they may have had, 158 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,455 you can distort or contaminate or change their memory. 159 00:08:01,455 --> 00:08:03,655 Well out there in the real world, 160 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:06,546 misinformation is everywhere. 161 00:08:06,546 --> 00:08:07,906 We get misinformation 162 00:08:07,906 --> 00:08:10,822 not only if we're questioned in a leading way, 163 00:08:10,822 --> 00:08:13,269 but if we talk to other witnesses 164 00:08:13,269 --> 00:08:16,302 who might consciously or inadvertently feed us 165 00:08:16,302 --> 00:08:18,439 some erroneous information, 166 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:23,169 or if we see media coverage about some event we might have experienced, 167 00:08:23,169 --> 00:08:25,962 all of these provide the opportunity 168 00:08:25,962 --> 00:08:30,312 for this kind of contamination of our memory. 169 00:08:30,312 --> 00:08:34,100 In the 1990s, we began to see 170 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:38,783 an even more extreme kind of memory problem. 171 00:08:38,783 --> 00:08:41,879 Some patients were going into therapy with one problem -- 172 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:44,793 maybe they had depression, an eating disorder -- 173 00:08:44,793 --> 00:08:47,546 and they were coming out of therapy 174 00:08:47,546 --> 00:08:50,207 with a different problem. 175 00:08:50,207 --> 00:08:53,908 Extreme memories for horrific brutalizations, 176 00:08:53,908 --> 00:08:55,891 sometimes in satanic rituals, 177 00:08:55,891 --> 00:09:00,588 sometimes involving really bizarre and unusual elements. 178 00:09:00,588 --> 00:09:03,142 One woman came out of psychotherapy 179 00:09:03,142 --> 00:09:05,570 believing that she'd endured years 180 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:09,472 of ritualistic abuse, where she was forced into a pregnancy 181 00:09:09,472 --> 00:09:12,038 and that the baby was cut from her belly. 182 00:09:12,038 --> 00:09:14,397 But there were no physical scars 183 00:09:14,397 --> 00:09:16,423 or any kind of physical evidence 184 00:09:16,423 --> 00:09:19,304 that could have supported her story. 185 00:09:19,304 --> 00:09:22,312 And when I began looking into these cases, 186 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:23,762 I was wondering, 187 00:09:23,762 --> 00:09:26,090 where do these bizarre memories come from? 188 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:30,477 And what I found is that most of these situations 189 00:09:30,477 --> 00:09:35,968 involved some particular form of psychotherapy. 190 00:09:35,968 --> 00:09:37,567 And so I asked, 191 00:09:37,567 --> 00:09:40,955 were some of the things going on in this psychotherapy -- 192 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:43,839 like the imagination exercises 193 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:45,896 or dream interpretation, 194 00:09:45,896 --> 00:09:48,028 or in some cases hypnosis, 195 00:09:48,028 --> 00:09:51,846 or in some cases exposure to false information -- 196 00:09:51,846 --> 00:09:54,633 were these leading these patients 197 00:09:54,633 --> 00:09:57,310 to develop these very bizarre, 198 00:09:57,310 --> 00:10:00,241 unlikely memories? 199 00:10:00,241 --> 00:10:02,400 And I designed some experiments 200 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,425 to try to study the processes that were being used 201 00:10:07,425 --> 00:10:10,498 in this psychotherapy so I could study 202 00:10:10,498 --> 00:10:14,049 the development of these very rich false memories. 203 00:10:14,049 --> 00:10:16,457 In one of the first studies we did, 204 00:10:16,457 --> 00:10:18,810 we used suggestion, 205 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:22,873 a method inspired by the psychotherapy we saw in these cases, 206 00:10:22,873 --> 00:10:24,983 we used this kind of suggestion 207 00:10:24,983 --> 00:10:26,835 and planted a false memory 208 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:29,912 that when you were a kid, five or six years old, 209 00:10:29,912 --> 00:10:32,163 you were lost in a shopping mall. 210 00:10:32,163 --> 00:10:34,663 You were frightened. You were crying. 211 00:10:34,663 --> 00:10:37,177 You were ultimately rescued by an elderly person 212 00:10:37,177 --> 00:10:39,029 and reunited with the family. 213 00:10:39,029 --> 00:10:41,637 And we succeeded in planting this memory 214 00:10:41,637 --> 00:10:45,743 in the minds of about a quarter of our subjects. 215 00:10:45,743 --> 00:10:47,748 And you might be thinking, well, 216 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:50,094 that's not particularly stressful. 217 00:10:50,094 --> 00:10:53,463 But we and other investigators have planted 218 00:10:53,463 --> 00:10:56,221 rich false memories of things that were 219 00:10:56,221 --> 00:10:59,136 much more unusual and much more stressful. 220 00:10:59,136 --> 00:11:01,675 So in a study done in Tennessee, 221 00:11:01,675 --> 00:11:04,091 researchers planted the false memory 222 00:11:04,091 --> 00:11:06,665 that when you were a kid, you nearly drowned 223 00:11:06,665 --> 00:11:09,172 and had to be rescued by a life guard. 224 00:11:09,172 --> 00:11:11,475 And in a study done in Canada, 225 00:11:11,475 --> 00:11:13,999 researchers planted the false memory 226 00:11:13,999 --> 00:11:15,227 that when you were a kid, 227 00:11:15,227 --> 00:11:18,957 something as awful as being attacked by a vicious animal 228 00:11:18,957 --> 00:11:20,339 happened to you, 229 00:11:20,339 --> 00:11:23,761 succeeding with about half of their subjects. 230 00:11:23,761 --> 00:11:26,113 And in a study done in Italy, 231 00:11:26,113 --> 00:11:28,771 researchers planted the false memory, 232 00:11:28,771 --> 00:11:33,983 when you were a kid, you witnessed demonic possession. 233 00:11:33,983 --> 00:11:36,190 I do want to add that it might seem 234 00:11:36,190 --> 00:11:39,929 like we are traumatizing these experimental subjects 235 00:11:39,929 --> 00:11:41,529 in the name of science, 236 00:11:41,529 --> 00:11:46,167 but our studies have gone through thorough evaluation 237 00:11:46,167 --> 00:11:48,142 by research ethics boards 238 00:11:48,142 --> 00:11:50,484 that have made the decision 239 00:11:50,484 --> 00:11:53,557 that the temporary discomfort that some 240 00:11:53,557 --> 00:11:56,641 of these subjects might experience in these studies 241 00:11:56,641 --> 00:12:00,541 is outweighed by the importance of this problem 242 00:12:00,541 --> 00:12:03,648 for understanding memory processes 243 00:12:03,648 --> 00:12:06,994 and the abuse of memory that is going on 244 00:12:06,994 --> 00:12:10,287 in some places in the world. 245 00:12:10,287 --> 00:12:13,325 Well, to my surprise, 246 00:12:13,325 --> 00:12:16,754 when I published this work and began to speak out 247 00:12:16,754 --> 00:12:20,649 against this particular brand of psychotherapy, 248 00:12:20,649 --> 00:12:24,629 it created some pretty bad problems for me: 249 00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:29,530 hostilities, primarily from the repressed memory therapists, 250 00:12:29,530 --> 00:12:31,206 who felt under attack, 251 00:12:31,206 --> 00:12:34,734 and by the patients whom they had influenced. 252 00:12:34,734 --> 00:12:37,671 I had sometimes armed guards at speeches 253 00:12:37,671 --> 00:12:39,576 that I was invited to give, 254 00:12:39,576 --> 00:12:43,793 people trying to drum up letter-writing campaigns to get me fired. 255 00:12:43,793 --> 00:12:45,774 But probably the worst 256 00:12:45,774 --> 00:12:48,541 was I suspected that a woman 257 00:12:48,541 --> 00:12:50,965 was innocent of abuse 258 00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:53,801 that was being claimed by her grown daughter. 259 00:12:53,801 --> 00:12:57,218 She accused her mother of sexual abuse 260 00:12:57,218 --> 00:12:59,077 based on a repressed memory. 261 00:12:59,077 --> 00:13:01,960 And this accusing daughter had actually allowed her story 262 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,394 to be filmed and presented in public places. 263 00:13:05,394 --> 00:13:07,903 I was suspicious of this story, 264 00:13:07,903 --> 00:13:10,203 and so I started to investigate, 265 00:13:10,203 --> 00:13:14,686 and eventually found information that convinced me 266 00:13:14,686 --> 00:13:16,975 that this mother was innocent. 267 00:13:16,975 --> 00:13:19,936 I published an exposé on the case, 268 00:13:19,936 --> 00:13:23,380 and a little while later, the accusing daughter 269 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:24,901 filed a lawsuit. 270 00:13:24,901 --> 00:13:27,256 Even though I'd never mentioned her name, 271 00:13:27,256 --> 00:13:31,618 she sued me for defamation and invasion of privacy. 272 00:13:31,618 --> 00:13:34,341 And I went through nearly five years 273 00:13:34,341 --> 00:13:40,893 of dealing with this messy, unpleasant litigation, 274 00:13:40,893 --> 00:13:44,567 but finally, finally, it was over and I could really 275 00:13:44,567 --> 00:13:46,991 get back to my work. 276 00:13:46,991 --> 00:13:49,476 In the process, however, I became part 277 00:13:49,476 --> 00:13:52,130 of a disturbing trend in America 278 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:54,237 where scientists are being sued 279 00:13:54,237 --> 00:13:58,836 for simply speaking out on matters of great public controversy. 280 00:13:58,836 --> 00:14:02,194 When I got back to my work, I asked this question: 281 00:14:02,194 --> 00:14:04,592 if I plant a false memory in your mind, 282 00:14:04,592 --> 00:14:06,436 does it have repercussions? 283 00:14:06,436 --> 00:14:08,395 Does it affect your later thoughts, 284 00:14:08,395 --> 00:14:10,496 your later behaviors? 285 00:14:10,496 --> 00:14:12,523 Our first study planted a false memory 286 00:14:12,523 --> 00:14:15,849 that you got sick as a child eating certain foods: 287 00:14:15,849 --> 00:14:18,848 hard-boiled eggs, dill pickles, strawberry ice cream. 288 00:14:18,848 --> 00:14:22,038 And we found that once we planted this false memory, 289 00:14:22,038 --> 00:14:24,489 people didn't want to eat the foods as much 290 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:26,749 at an outdoor picnic. 291 00:14:26,749 --> 00:14:30,622 The false memories aren't necessarily bad or unpleasant. 292 00:14:30,622 --> 00:14:32,980 If we planted a warm, fuzzy memory 293 00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:36,001 involving a healthy food like asparagus, 294 00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:39,476 we could get people to want to eat asparagus more. 295 00:14:39,476 --> 00:14:41,850 And so what these studies are showing 296 00:14:41,850 --> 00:14:43,965 is that you can plant false memories 297 00:14:43,965 --> 00:14:45,378 and they have repercussions 298 00:14:45,378 --> 00:14:50,463 that affect behavior long after the memories take hold. 299 00:14:50,463 --> 00:14:52,887 Well, along with this ability 300 00:14:52,887 --> 00:14:55,810 to plant memories and control behavior 301 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:59,991 obviously come some important ethical issues, 302 00:14:59,991 --> 00:15:03,050 like, when should we use this mind technology? 303 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:06,730 And should we ever ban its use? 304 00:15:06,730 --> 00:15:09,513 Therapists can't ethically plant false memories 305 00:15:09,513 --> 00:15:11,100 in the mind of their patients 306 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:13,664 even if it would help the patient, 307 00:15:13,664 --> 00:15:15,286 but there's nothing to stop a parent 308 00:15:15,286 --> 00:15:19,735 from trying this out on their overweight or obese teenager. 309 00:15:19,735 --> 00:15:22,340 And when I suggested this publicly, 310 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:25,686 it created an outcry again. 311 00:15:25,686 --> 00:15:29,719 "There she goes. She's advocating that parents lie to their children." 312 00:15:29,719 --> 00:15:31,964 Hello, Santa Claus. (Laughter) 313 00:15:31,964 --> 00:15:41,461 I mean, another way to think about this is, 314 00:15:41,461 --> 00:15:43,494 which would you rather have, 315 00:15:43,494 --> 00:15:46,523 a kid with obesity, diabetes, shortened lifespan, 316 00:15:46,523 --> 00:15:48,055 all the things that go with it, 317 00:15:48,055 --> 00:15:51,071 or a kid with one little extra bit of false memory? 318 00:15:51,071 --> 00:15:54,462 I know what I would choose for a kid of mine. 319 00:15:54,462 --> 00:15:58,439 But maybe my work has made me different from most people. 320 00:15:58,439 --> 00:16:00,518 Most people cherish their memories, 321 00:16:00,518 --> 00:16:02,672 know that they represent their identity, 322 00:16:02,672 --> 00:16:04,697 who they are, where they came from. 323 00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:07,555 And I appreciate that. I feel that way too. 324 00:16:07,555 --> 00:16:09,760 But I know from my work 325 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,241 how much fiction is already in there. 326 00:16:14,241 --> 00:16:16,973 If I've learned anything from these decades 327 00:16:16,973 --> 00:16:19,383 of working on these problems, it's this: 328 00:16:19,383 --> 00:16:21,594 just because somebody tells you something 329 00:16:21,594 --> 00:16:23,169 and they say it with confidence, 330 00:16:23,169 --> 00:16:25,849 just because they say it with lots of detail, 331 00:16:25,849 --> 00:16:28,608 just because they express emotion when they say it, 332 00:16:28,608 --> 00:16:31,810 it doesn't mean that it really happened. 333 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:35,675 We can't reliably distinguish true memories from false memories. 334 00:16:35,675 --> 00:16:39,223 We need independent corroboration. 335 00:16:39,223 --> 00:16:42,313 Such a discovery has made me more tolerant 336 00:16:42,313 --> 00:16:44,452 of the everyday memory mistakes 337 00:16:44,452 --> 00:16:47,366 that my friends and family members make. 338 00:16:47,366 --> 00:16:51,900 Such a discovery might have saved Steve Titus, 339 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:55,476 the man whose whole future was snatched away 340 00:16:55,476 --> 00:16:57,714 by a false memory. 341 00:16:57,714 --> 00:17:00,530 But meanwhile, we should all keep in mind, 342 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:02,166 we'd do well to, 343 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:06,037 that memory, like liberty, 344 00:17:06,037 --> 00:17:09,731 is a fragile thing. 345 00:17:09,731 --> 00:17:12,669 Thank you. Thank you. 346 00:17:12,669 --> 00:17:15,397 Thank you. (Applause) 347 00:17:15,397 --> 00:17:19,116 Thanks very much. (Applause)