1 00:00:28,721 --> 00:00:29,960 PAUL PFEIFFER: I’ve always had an interest 2 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,680 in domestic interiors that also 3 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,454 are scenes of horror or of the uncanny. 4 00:00:41,305 --> 00:00:44,440 One of the most compelling  images when I was a teenager 5 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,343 was the movie The Amityville Horror. 6 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,508 In that movie, the stairway  plays a very important role. 7 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:00,520 It’s the central corridor along  which a meeting of gazes occurs 8 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:07,334 between the human inhabitants, the family,  and this nonhuman inhabitant, the Devil. 9 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,550 That’s what led me to the idea of recreating  the central stairway in the house. 10 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,020 So in the final piece, you really have two images— 11 00:01:21,927 --> 00:01:25,040 the large projection looking  from the top of the stairs 12 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,830 down into the entrance coming through  a live feed from inside the diorama. 13 00:01:33,551 --> 00:01:35,440 And as you move close to the wall, 14 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,751 you find a little hole with  light coming out of it. 15 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,019 And looking through the hole,  you see the diorama itself. 16 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,920 You find yourself looking  in the opposite direction 17 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,745 from the bottom of the stairs  upward towards the second floor. 18 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Making images and objects, 19 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,920 you can’t help but think about what it is 20 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,643 you’re actually doing beyond merely fabrication. 21 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,383 In a way, you’re really setting up relationships  between objects and images and people. 22 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,360 I think of “Dutch Interior” as an  exploration of this kind of most basic 23 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,386 and fundamental of relationships,  between oneself and another. 24 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,571 There’s something really seductive  about pre-digested images. 25 00:02:45,067 --> 00:02:50,265 You’re served literally 500  channels on TV, like why go out? 26 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:59,040 There’s a huge infrastructure that undergirds  every individual image we see on TV, 27 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,480 and for me it’s very hard to  dissociate the single, you know, 28 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,368 image from that entire network. 29 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,680 So the question always comes up, who’s using who? 30 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,815 Is the image making us or do we make images? 31 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,160 I'm really attracted to  images of amazing spectacle. 32 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,880 That's one of the things that  brings me to the sports scene. 33 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,820 Especially big events involving mass audiences 34 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,880 but also things like newscasts, beauty  pageants, professional wrestling– 35 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,303 all kinds of stuff. 36 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,720 It seems that there’s something  inherently compelling about 37 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,975 repetition and about the loop. 38 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:13,600 You know, it’s like a fireplace, or  sort of like a moth to the flame, 39 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,644 it’s just you know, something  that kind of draws you in. 40 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,930 Makes you just want to kind  of stare at it for a while. 41 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 I borrow so much of what I use. 42 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,400 I think of myself much less as an author 43 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:47,497 and more like a poacher or  a translator or a mediator. 44 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,794 Last night was really quite unique, 45 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,519 I’m actually advocating this as opposed  to dry footage from the television. 46 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:03,600 Still in a way I feel like I'm  watching something like a TV image. 47 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,520 And I'm watching material that  I've been working with already. 48 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:23,800 The title “Fragment of a  Crucifixion” is a direct quote 49 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,840 from a Francis Bacon painting from the fifties 50 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:32,480 and like many of Francis  Bacon’s figures he’s screaming. 51 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,649 And the question is screaming  why or because of what. 52 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,640 I saw in that image of the basketball  player “Fragment” video figure again, 53 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,979 surrounded sensorily by extreme situation, 54 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,028 at the center of the attention of thousands  of people and under bright lights. 55 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,040 And what that implies is a kind  of sense of the figure again 56 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,157 dissolving into the accumulation of  capital until it becomes an image. 57 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Literally part of it is that  he just made a million dollars, 58 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,101 but it also seems like a very  precarious position to be in. 59 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,560 There is a kind of humiliation  in that process of simply 60 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:36,241 becoming objects of admiration or  people simply becoming consumers. 61 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,800 What led me to start working  on the “Long Count” pieces, 62 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,105 where the boxer is erased from the ring, 63 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:10,000 was a failure that I encountered when I  was working on “Fragment of a Crucifixion.” 64 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,800 In that original scene there were  quite a few other players on the court 65 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,840 so I removed the other  players, the basketball hoops 66 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,260 and quite a few other details. 67 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:24,440 And so I was going very slowly, frame by frame, 68 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,640 trying to make sure that there  was kind of seamlessness to it. 69 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,840 What I found was that there was  one particular figure in the image 70 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,800 I could not get erasure of that figure. 71 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,840 A few months later just looking back at it again 72 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,160 I thought in a way there was  something really interesting 73 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,280 and integral to the material ah, 74 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,354 about that kind of evidence of the erasure. 75 00:07:48,903 --> 00:07:51,960 And, so I decided to try to do  another piece, “The Long Count,” 76 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,000 that capitalized a bit more on this quality. 77 00:07:58,153 --> 00:08:00,720 And so that's what I think of in a way as craft. 78 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Building a relationship to the material, 79 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,880 discovering the things that it  will do despite your will that 80 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,743 may end up being more interesting then what  you were trying to will the material to do. 81 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,600 I would happily sit in my  room and do this work all day— 82 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,355 it’s a bit like meditation. 83 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,657 I also feel like it’s a bit  like painting or drawing, 84 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,520 in the sense that you leave your everyday kind of 85 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,277 consciousness of the world and  achieve a certain kind of focus. 86 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:18,320 “Morning After the Deluge” is a direct  quote from a painting by Turner. 87 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,400 It refers to, this investigation of  a perceptual phenomenon in nature 88 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,560 and also has a biblical reference, 89 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:29,360 since the “Morning After the  Deluge” is the story of Noah’s ark. 90 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,640 So if you really think about it, 91 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,123 it’s the morning after the  complete annihilation of the world. 92 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,320 These days it’s quite idealistic  to think of the viewer 93 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,120 as being anything but distracted given  the kind of image-saturated world 94 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,947 that people function in. 95 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,800 In the “Morning After the Deluge,” 96 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,600 you have to be there for at  least the first few minutes 97 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,080 if not for the full 20  minutes to see the full loop 98 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,000 and to get the full sense of  the sun rising and setting. 99 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,764 In a way, it’s not very viewer-friendly. 100 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,160 The shot is in real time— 101 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,400 it almost looks like nothing’s happening. 102 00:10:11,659 --> 00:10:13,320 You really have to kind of stand for a while 103 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,379 to get the sense that the sun  is slowly setting and rising. 104 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,480 In the meantime though, there’s a  lot of other action that’s happening 105 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,576 on a much smaller scale. 106 00:10:24,634 --> 00:10:28,560 You have birds flying very  quickly through the screen. 107 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:33,840 It’s almost at like a pixeled level,  barely there at all but projected big. 108 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,019 This is something you get to see— 109 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,592 this is maybe what you enter  in on as a moving image, 110 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,200 but as you sit with it a while longer, 111 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,419 the bigger movements become  more accessible to you. 112 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:56,031 I like to think that there might be  someway to create something that, 113 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:04,610 you could take something away from it even  if you’re only there for, like a fraction. 114 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,675 If you’re asking yourself, ‘is  there anything beyond television?’ 115 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,450 you could turn off the television and go outside, 116 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,600 but I think what’s more interesting  for an artist is to attempt 117 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,555 to answer that question through an  exploration of the media itself. 118 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,334 And I’m attempting to answer it through  a kind of creation of the illusion.