1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 My name's Ed Snowdon, I'm a 29 years old 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I worked for Booz Allen Hamilton as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And what are some of the [...] that you helped previously within the intelligence community? 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I've been a system engineer, system engineer administrator, 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 senior advisor for the Central Intelligence Agency, solutions consultant, and 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a telecommunications information systems officer. 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One of the things people are going to be most interested in, 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in trying to understand who you are and what you're thinking 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is there came some point in time when you crossed this line of thinking about being a whistleblower 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and to make the choice to actually become a whistleblower 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Walk people through that decision-making process 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When you're positions of privileged access, like a systems administrator for this sort of intelligence community agencies, 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're exposed to a lot more information on a broader scale than the average employee 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and because of that you see things that may be disturbing 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but over the course of a normal person's career you'd only see one or two of these instances 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you recognise that some of these things are actually abuses 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when you talk to people about them, in a place like this, where this is the normal state of business, 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people tend not to take them very seriously and, you know, move on from them 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but over time that awareness of wrongdoing sort of builds up and you feel compelled to talk about it 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the more you talk about it, the more you're ignored, the more you're told it's not a problem 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 until eventually you realise these things need to be determined by the public, not by someone who's simply hired by the government 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Talk a little bit about how the American surveillance state actually functions, does it target the actions of Americans? 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 NSA, and the intelligence community in general, is focused on getting intelligence wherever it can, by all means possible 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it believes, on the ground of a sort of self-justification, that they serve the national interest 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Originally, we saw that focus [...] overseas 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, increasingly, we see that it's happening domestically 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And to do that, they, the NSA specifically, targets the communications of everyone, it ingests them by default 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it collects them in its systems and it filters them and it analyses them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 simply because that's the easiest most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or someone that they suspect of terrorism 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're collecting your communication to do so 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Any analyst at any time can target anyone 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 any selector anywhere 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where those communications will be picked up depends on a range of decentered networks 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the authorities that that analyist is empowered with, not all analysts have the ability to target everything 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but I sitting at my desk certainly had the authority to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant to a federal judge, 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to even the president, if I had a personal email.