1 00:00:10,809 --> 00:00:15,660 I recently posted a poll here on YouTube asking whether or not Hornet was made of Void. 2 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:17,810 And 60% of you said “yes”. 3 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:21,980 So today, I am going to explain why 60% of you are completely fucking wrong. 4 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:24,910 Now, I don’t blame anybody for thinking this. 5 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:28,710 In fact, in my Zote video, I flat out said that Hornet was made of Void. 6 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:32,830 Let this be a reminder that any Hollow Knight lore video you watch on YouTube is probably 7 00:00:32,830 --> 00:00:36,520 going to have missing evidence or a few flawed conclusions. 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,570 This shit can get fucking confusing. 9 00:00:38,570 --> 00:00:41,040 So please don’t take anything I say as gospel. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:47,839 That being said, Hornet is 100%, definitely, irrefutably not made of Void. 11 00:00:47,839 --> 00:00:51,600 This issue has caused so much debate that it’s starting to turn into a meme. 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,890 So just call me “Pewdiepie” because it’s time for this meme to die. 13 00:00:55,890 --> 00:01:00,430 Let’s start off with the most obvious observation that might lead one to think that Hornet is 14 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:01,430 made of Void. 15 00:01:01,430 --> 00:01:02,540 She’s black. 16 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:03,400 “THAT’S RACIST!” 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,620 But this doesn’t actually prove much of anything. 18 00:01:06,620 --> 00:01:10,740 Several characters in Hallownest have black portions of their bodies, so to just say that 19 00:01:10,740 --> 00:01:13,549 they are all made of Void might be a bit drastic. 20 00:01:13,549 --> 00:01:16,010 We need more concrete proof. 21 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:20,310 Another characteristic worth pointing out is that Hornet’s shell does not have a mouth. 22 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:24,770 This is a feature she shares with the Vessels, beings we know are composed of Void. 23 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:30,009 But while their shells do share this design, it isn’t because of a relation to the Void, 24 00:01:30,009 --> 00:01:34,249 but a relation to the Pale King, who is also lacking a mouth. 25 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:39,249 Hornet, the Knight, the Hollow Knight and the Vessels are all children of the Pale King. 26 00:01:39,249 --> 00:01:41,009 Yeah, this guy fucks. 27 00:01:41,009 --> 00:01:44,659 But there’s a lot to unpack here, so I’m just going to start off by explaining why 28 00:01:44,659 --> 00:01:47,579 Hornet is the Pale King’s biological daughter. 29 00:01:47,579 --> 00:01:50,950 In Deepnest, Hornet tells us that Herrah is her mother. 30 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:51,950 She says: 31 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:55,600 “We do not choose our mothers, or the circumstance into which we are born. 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,869 Despite all the ills of this world, I'm thankful for the life she granted me.” 33 00:01:59,869 --> 00:02:04,789 The phrase “life she granted me” shows that Herrah was directly involved with Hornet’s 34 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:05,789 birth. 35 00:02:05,789 --> 00:02:10,660 There is more evidence for this thanks to Midwife, in that her name is literally Midwife. 36 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:14,260 A midwife is someone who helps a mother through childbirth. 37 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:18,580 So it’s safe to say that Midwife was Herrah’s actual midwife during Hornet’s birth. 38 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:22,420 It’s a little on the nose for Team Cherry, but I’m not going to complain. 39 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:26,489 In fact I wish more characters had names more closely tied to their character arcs. 40 00:02:26,489 --> 00:02:29,739 The White Lady also has dialogue confirming Hornet’s origins. 41 00:02:29,739 --> 00:02:32,900 She says that Hornet has the striking reflection of her mother. 42 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:37,680 Hornet and Herrah do share the same shape for their heads, showing a connection, but 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,650 “striking reflection” might be a bit of a stretch. 44 00:02:39,650 --> 00:02:42,390 You gotta remember that the White Lady is blind. 45 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:45,599 The White Lady also points us to who Hornet’s father is. 46 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:46,599 She says: 47 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,069 “I never begrudged the Wyrm's dalliance as bargain. 48 00:02:49,069 --> 00:02:52,560 In fact, I feel some affection for the creature birthed.” 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,250 The White Lady’s dialogue here is a bit archaic. 50 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:59,519 She is basically saying she was okay being cucked by the Pale King, and that she has 51 00:02:59,519 --> 00:03:03,390 affection for Hornet despite Hornet not being her own child. 52 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:06,170 The word “dalliance” here is what proves all of this. 53 00:03:06,170 --> 00:03:10,829 A dalliance means “a casual romantic or sexual relationship”. 54 00:03:10,829 --> 00:03:14,440 And I doubt that the Pale King was having a romantic relationship with Herrah, since 55 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,040 he’s like a fucking God and she is just a common beast. 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,590 I don’t know if you’ve ever read any Greek mythology, but let’s just say Zeus wasn’t 57 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:25,379 exactly taking any of the humans out to Olive Garden. 58 00:03:25,379 --> 00:03:29,030 There is also this line from Midwife that emphasizes Hornet’s connection to the Pale 59 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:30,050 King. 60 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:31,750 When talking about Hornet, she says: 61 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:36,920 “Pale gift to the Nest and the Beast, fair trade for sacrifice made.” 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:42,489 She calls Hornet “pale”, a word usually tied to the Pale King, or sometimes just Higher 63 00:03:42,489 --> 00:03:43,970 Beings in general. 64 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:46,760 The Pale Ore is used to forge strong weapons. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,670 Also, in a Reddit AMA, Ari Gibson said that the Pale Ores are related to the Pale Beings. 66 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:55,010 Godseeker refers to the White Lady as “pale mother”. 67 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:56,750 There is also the delicate flower. 68 00:03:56,750 --> 00:04:01,030 It is described as having a pale glow, but we don’t know if it is tied to the Pale 69 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:02,530 King in any way. 70 00:04:02,530 --> 00:04:07,920 Regardless, this pale attribute Hornet has, along with her visual similarities, all point 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,170 to her being the biological child of the Pale King. 72 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:16,290 I think some of the confusion here is that Hornet is constantly referred to as a gift. 73 00:04:16,290 --> 00:04:20,930 This sort of implies that Hornet was given to Herrah after she was already created. 74 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:26,310 But I think this is just saying that the Pale King’s gift is… you know… his dick. 75 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:29,699 Going back to the White Lady’s line “I never begrudged the Wyrm’s dalliance as 76 00:04:29,699 --> 00:04:30,860 bargain.” 77 00:04:30,860 --> 00:04:35,100 The phrasing here implies that it was the dalliance that was bargained, not the actual 78 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:36,600 child. 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,930 So in other words, the Pale King was offering sexual activity in exchange for payment in 80 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:42,940 the form of Herrah’s help. 81 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:46,940 Unfortunately, whenever one topic of Hollow Knight lore comes up, it ends up being tied 82 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:48,810 to another topic. 83 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:52,310 In this case, since we’re talking about Hornet’s birth, it would be worth talking 84 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:54,610 about how the Vessels were created. 85 00:04:54,610 --> 00:04:58,410 So let’s turn our attention to the other side of the Pale King’s family tree: the 86 00:04:58,410 --> 00:05:01,240 family he created with a literal tree. 87 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,810 We know that the Vessels, or at least the creatures that became the Vessels, were born 88 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:07,370 in the Abyss. 89 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:10,680 We have the Pale King’s dialogue where he says that the Hollow Knight was “Born of 90 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,340 God and Void”. 91 00:05:12,340 --> 00:05:16,090 Hornet calls the Hollow Knight “our birth cursed sibling". 92 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:19,830 Note that Hornet says “our” here because she shares a relation to the Vessels through 93 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:20,830 the Pale King. 94 00:05:20,830 --> 00:05:23,210 It doesn’t have anything to do with Void. 95 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:27,400 The lore tablet in the Pale King’s throne room also mentions a cursed progeny, or a 96 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,080 cursed offspring. 97 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,300 The Kingsoul charm description says it opens the way to a birthplace, which is located 98 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,070 in the Abyss. 99 00:05:35,070 --> 00:05:37,599 Finally we also have the words of the White Lady. 100 00:05:37,599 --> 00:05:40,550 If you talk to her while wearing the Kingsoul she will say: 101 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:44,380 “If its curiosity wills it, it should seek out that place. 102 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:49,139 That place where it was born, where it died, where it began...” 103 00:05:49,139 --> 00:05:52,930 She then also calls the Knight her spawn when talking about Grimm. 104 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:56,660 And then there is also her dialogue where she admits her shame in participating in a 105 00:05:56,660 --> 00:06:02,330 deed and implying that this deed had to do with propagating herself, or in other words, 106 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:03,330 breeding. 107 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:06,740 From the lore tablet in the Ancient Basin, it seems pretty obvious that this shameful 108 00:06:06,740 --> 00:06:09,740 deed was the creation of the Vessels. 109 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:13,099 All of this evidence proves that the Pale King’s and White Lady’s children were 110 00:06:13,099 --> 00:06:18,120 born in the darkness, but the White Lady also says that the Abyss is where they died. 111 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,650 Also, Hornet calls the Knight “ghost” multiple times throughout the game. 112 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:27,550 This “death” probably occurred when the Void became a part of the Vessel’s bodies. 113 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:29,080 But how did this happen? 114 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,199 There are several eggs in the Abyss, one of which is completely black with void tentacles 115 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:35,410 connected to it. 116 00:06:35,410 --> 00:06:38,810 Did the Void fuse into the egg before birth? 117 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:41,780 Or did the Void enter the bodies after they were born? 118 00:06:41,780 --> 00:06:42,850 Or maybe after they died. 119 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:47,580 I don’t think it matters too much how this happened, just that it did happen. 120 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:53,300 There is evidence to support the idea that Void is capable of combining with living creatures. 121 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:56,410 We have the royal husk in the Queen’s Garden. 122 00:06:56,410 --> 00:06:57,880 Its Dream Nail dialogue reads: 123 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,810 “Too long spent together. 124 00:06:59,810 --> 00:07:01,750 We become as one.” 125 00:07:01,750 --> 00:07:06,449 This bug is found holding the Love Key, which is used to enter the Tower of Lover, where 126 00:07:06,449 --> 00:07:08,170 the Collector is located. 127 00:07:08,170 --> 00:07:11,710 I think this Dream Nail dialogue is saying that this husk gazed into the Collector so 128 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:16,789 long that the Void within the Collector gazed back into him, resulting in the Void we see 129 00:07:16,789 --> 00:07:18,789 around the husk’s corpse. 130 00:07:18,789 --> 00:07:23,630 So what does this tell us other than that Team Cherry are big fans of Nietzsche? 131 00:07:23,630 --> 00:07:27,830 Well the phrase “become as one” hints at the possibility for living creatures and 132 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:30,150 Void to combine in some way. 133 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:34,940 Now let’s take a minute to talk about the idea that the Vessels are the artificial creations 134 00:07:34,940 --> 00:07:36,490 of the Pale King. 135 00:07:36,490 --> 00:07:40,740 We know that the Pale King is capable of making such things, given the Kingsmoulds and the 136 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:42,150 Wingsmoulds. 137 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:46,350 But for the Vessels to be constructs, we have to completely ignore all of the evidence I 138 00:07:46,350 --> 00:07:50,830 just presented, and there is more evidence to counter this view. 139 00:07:50,830 --> 00:07:54,729 Why is there so much regret involved in the creation of the Vessels if they were just 140 00:07:54,729 --> 00:07:56,110 constructs? 141 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:59,180 Why all the mentions of children and progeny? 142 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:03,460 If the Pale King built these things in his workshop, where did the shells come from? 143 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:06,069 There isn’t any explanation for how they got made. 144 00:08:06,069 --> 00:08:10,919 Also, the Dung Defender was surprised to see the Knight, proving that he thought only one 145 00:08:10,919 --> 00:08:13,770 Vessel existed, the Hollow Knight. 146 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:18,030 This is just speculation, but judging from the thousands of shells found in the Abyss, 147 00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:22,240 it seems unlikely that the Pale King would have been able to create all of these Vessels 148 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,270 and transport them to the Abyss without one of the most loyal members of his Pale Court 149 00:08:26,270 --> 00:08:27,520 finding out. 150 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,320 Alright, let’s summarize the nature of the Vessels and why Hornet is most likely not 151 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,610 one of them. 152 00:08:33,610 --> 00:08:37,070 The Vessels are the spawn of the Pale King and the White Lady. 153 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:41,200 The eggs they were born from were placed in the Abyss, resulting in their bodies becoming 154 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,099 hollowed out and replaced by the Void. 155 00:08:44,099 --> 00:08:48,290 They consist of an outer shell created by the Pale King and the White Lady, as well 156 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:51,180 as an inner shade, composed of Void. 157 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:53,769 Hench the phrase “Born of God and Void”. 158 00:08:53,769 --> 00:08:58,480 So the creation of all of the Pale King’s offspring involved the act of dirty, possibly 159 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,110 kinky, bug sex. 160 00:09:00,110 --> 00:09:04,450 The Pale King didn’t artificially create any of his children, so he doesn’t actually 161 00:09:04,450 --> 00:09:07,430 need Void in order to create a child. 162 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:10,020 So why would Hornet have any Void in her? 163 00:09:10,020 --> 00:09:13,660 There is no need to drop an egg of Hornet into the Abyss, since she was not going to 164 00:09:13,660 --> 00:09:15,410 be used as a Vessel. 165 00:09:15,410 --> 00:09:19,000 The fact that she is the only child of the Pale King not to be placed in the Abyss is 166 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,580 what grants her the name “the Gendered Child”. 167 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:26,010 When the Vessels were consumed by the Void and turned into “ghosts” as Hornet puts 168 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:28,209 it, they lost their gender. 169 00:09:28,209 --> 00:09:32,720 On top of that, there is strong evidence to support the idea that Hornet was born in Deepnest, 170 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,220 not the Abyss. 171 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:37,850 When talking to Hornet at the top of the Abyss she says this: 172 00:09:37,850 --> 00:09:38,850 “Ghost. 173 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:41,579 I see you've faced the place of your birth...” 174 00:09:41,579 --> 00:09:44,880 Notice that Hornet says “your birth”, not “our birth”. 175 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,080 And, like I mentioned earlier we have the guy from “Spirited Away” which implies 176 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,460 Hornet was born in Deepnest. 177 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:55,339 Now let’s jump into one of the most interesting lines used by both sides of the Hornet is 178 00:09:55,339 --> 00:09:56,980 Void debate. 179 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:57,980 Hornet says: 180 00:09:57,980 --> 00:10:02,760 “Though our strength is born of similar source, that part of you, that crucial emptiness, 181 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,940 I do not share.” 182 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:08,930 So if you were to argue that Hornet is Void, you would say that the “similar source” 183 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:14,420 is the Void but that the “crucial emptiness” is being a truly hollow Vessel. 184 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:19,180 We have evidence that creatures made of Void have the potential to have thoughts and feelings, 185 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:22,579 from both the Collector and the fact that the Hollow Knight was imperfect. 186 00:10:22,579 --> 00:10:26,399 But this line can also be interpreted where the “similar source” is the power of the 187 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,790 Pale King and the “crucial emptiness” is the Void itself. 188 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:34,470 The Pale King’s offspring all share the benefit of his power. 189 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:38,100 Both Hornet and the Knight are referred to as being “pale”, and the Hollow Knight 190 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:40,630 is described as having a “holy shell”. 191 00:10:40,630 --> 00:10:44,990 Hornet is also one of the few bugs who realizes she is in a dream in Godhome. 192 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:48,360 The only other bug that can do this is Grimm, a Higher Being. 193 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,800 As for the “crucial emptiness” line, the word “emptiness” is used a couple of times 194 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,350 in the game and are used to refer to the Void itself. 195 00:10:56,350 --> 00:11:01,579 The Void Heart is described as an emptiness by both the game menu and the White Lady. 196 00:11:01,579 --> 00:11:05,250 There is also the Hunter’s Journal entry for the Siblings, which mentions that the 197 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:08,589 Abyss contains a “pervasive empiness”. 198 00:11:08,589 --> 00:11:10,100 In the next line, Hornet says: 199 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,500 “Funny then, that such darkness gives me hope.” 200 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,420 When Dream Nailed Hornet also says: 201 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:18,320 “It faced the void, and ascends unscathed... 202 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Could it unite such vast darkness?...” 203 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,810 So Hornet is specifically referring to the Void when using the word “darkness”, since 204 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:28,500 the Void is what is united in the Dream No More ending. 205 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:33,589 The encounter the Knight has with Hornet at the Temple of the Black Egg also implies that 206 00:11:33,589 --> 00:11:35,610 Hornet is not made of Void. 207 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:36,610 She says: 208 00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:38,500 “I won't be joining you in this. 209 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,010 That space is built to sustain your likes. 210 00:11:41,010 --> 00:11:44,070 Its bindings would drain me were I to join.” 211 00:11:44,070 --> 00:11:46,170 This line clearly separates Hornet from the Knight. 212 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:50,340 And this line makes sense when we consider that the Knight contains Void inside of it, 213 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:52,149 while Hornet does not. 214 00:11:52,149 --> 00:11:56,740 Void is the only significant quality that separates the nature of the two beings. 215 00:11:56,740 --> 00:12:00,839 Alright, so now I’d like to go through some of the arguments posted in my poll. 216 00:12:00,839 --> 00:12:05,670 A lot of people were mentioning the fact that Hornet gives the Knight soul when she is hit. 217 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:07,410 This doesn’t prove anything. 218 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:10,850 The Pure Vessel gives off soul despite having Void inside of it. 219 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:14,620 The only beings that don’t give off soul are the siblings and the Collector. 220 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:17,550 These enemies are composed entirely of Void. 221 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:21,120 The Vessels have shells, which is a possible explanation as to why they still give off 222 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,200 soul. 223 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,180 The Sealed Sibling achievement seems to imply that Hornet is a sibling to the Vessels. 224 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:30,820 This is true, but it isn’t the Void that makes her a sibling, it’s her shared relation 225 00:12:30,820 --> 00:12:32,020 to the Pale King. 226 00:12:32,020 --> 00:12:37,990 There is this idea that Hornet has some Void in her, but not as much as the Vessels. 227 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:40,480 There isn’t any evidence to support this. 228 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,540 The Vessels themselves are an outer organic shell with an inner Void. 229 00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:48,279 There is no explanation how Hornet could only be part inner Void? 230 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,310 There is an argument that Hornet is a defective Vessel. 231 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:56,350 The only defective Vessel we know about is the Hollow Knight, and its defect was not 232 00:12:56,350 --> 00:12:58,980 noticeable at all until later. 233 00:12:58,980 --> 00:13:03,540 So we really don’t know how extreme a defective Vessel can get. 234 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:04,680 So there you have it. 235 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:08,480 Undeniable proof that Hornet is not made of Void. 236 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,480 But I know that there a few holdouts who still refuse to believe me. 237 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,170 And that’s just fine. 238 00:13:14,170 --> 00:13:16,100 You are allowed to believe whatever you want. 239 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:20,040 While we’re at it, let’s pretend that the Tooth Fairy is real too, 240 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,940 or that Santa Claus exists, 241 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:24,160 or that the Earth is actually round.