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Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.56,0:00:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Atalanta, Georgia,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.50,0:00:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one particular case was about to astonish experts
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.25,0:00:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and doctors.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.42,0:00:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Michael Sabom, cardiologist,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.54,0:00:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was also studying near death experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.33,0:00:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he came across one extraordinary account.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.92,0:00:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.33,0:00:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Pam's case is unique in the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.96,0:00:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she had her near death experience at a time
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.19,0:00:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she was fully instrumented and under
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.85,0:00:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medical observation.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.54,0:00:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think if you wanted to construct
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.45,0:00:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a laboratory experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.64,0:00:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you had someone and took them
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.90,0:00:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as close to death or perhaps even into death
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.80,0:00:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as possible and then bring them back
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.16,0:00:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ask them what they could recall,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.78,0:00:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pam's case probably comes closest to that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.98,0:01:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than any other so far that we know of.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.57,0:01:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.20,0:01:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Pam Reynolds was an established
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.81,0:01:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,songwriter/singer and a busy working mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.93,0:01:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1991, she became seriously ill.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.55,0:01:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I began to experience extreme dizziness,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.53,0:01:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loss of speech,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.38,0:01:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some difficulty in moving the body
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.39,0:01:26.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was at that point that my physician
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.91,0:01:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recommended that I have a CT scan.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.97,0:01:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a CT scan of course showed the aneurysm
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.52,0:01:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was a big one.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.91,0:01:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a giant aneurysm.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.31,0:01:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was referred to a neurologist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.45,0:01:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the neurologist gave me little or
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.21,0:01:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no chance of survival at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.41,0:01:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> But for Pam, there was one last hope.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.63,0:01:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She made what she assumed would be
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.35,0:01:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her last journey,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.74,0:01:55.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2000 miles to the Barrow Neurological Institute
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.49,0:01:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Phoenix, Arizona.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.26,0:02:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.22,0:02:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I remember the bright sunshine.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.80,0:02:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The light in Phoenix, Arizona is piercing,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.87,0:02:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from sun up on.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.36,0:02:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember getting into the shower.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.21,0:02:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had been given a scrub kit
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.13,0:02:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a hard bristle brush and antibacterial solution
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.68,0:02:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reduce the chances of infection, I'm sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.52,0:02:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To this day I can remember the stinging
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.66,0:02:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that brush and that solution on my skin.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.80,0:02:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can remember being placed on a gurney.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.71,0:02:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember the squeaking of the wheels.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.94,0:02:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.20,0:02:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Neurosurgeon, Dr. Robert Spetzler,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.83,0:02:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decided to take on Pam's case against all odds.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.62,0:02:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.60,0:02:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> What we're looking at is the aneurysm
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.44,0:02:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she had which is at the very base of the brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.30,0:02:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the balloon that can burst
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.41,0:02:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and cause this incredible catastrophe
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.08,0:02:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the patient's brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.24,0:03:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is this so difficult in this particular case?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.08,0:03:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think probably easiest to see here by,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.53,0:03:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you look at this plastic model of the head,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.30,0:03:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we turn it around and we take out the top
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.80,0:03:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.11,0:03:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.03,0:03:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we're really talking about is that aneurysm
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.07,0:03:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is all the way at the very base of the brain
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.17,0:03:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is why it is so incredibly difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.62,0:03:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.82,0:03:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you have to go somehow through the skull,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.94,0:03:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because remember the face is here
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.40,0:03:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the neck is down here,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.78,0:03:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get down to this very difficult spot.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.38,0:03:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we look at it on an actual brain,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.40,0:03:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can actually see where that is.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.100,0:03:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the bottom of brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.80,0:03:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that fit in here, it would be like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.72,0:03:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're going to turn both of them around.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.92,0:03:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we're looking at what's called,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.45,0:03:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the brain stem which is this function.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.77,0:03:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the function of the brain passes through
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.22,0:03:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the brain stem.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.58,0:04:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And where this particular aneurysm was
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.23,0:04:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is sitting right smack dab at the very middle
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.47,0:04:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the base of the brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.02,0:04:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's why it's so difficult to access,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.38,0:04:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why it's so difficult to treat,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.22,0:04:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's why it's so catastrophic when it bleeds.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.34,0:04:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.47,0:04:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> The operation Pam was about to undergo
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.89,0:04:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was known as, Operation Stand Still.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.50,0:04:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.74,0:04:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pam's body temperature would be lowered
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.80,0:04:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to between ten and fifteen degrees centigrade,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.52,0:04:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her heart and breathing stopped,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.38,0:04:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her brainwaves flattened,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.19,0:04:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the blood drained from her head.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.17,0:04:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She would be clinically dead for a whole hour
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.12,0:04:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.32,0:04:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.30,0:04:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> What we want to do is we want to bring that brain
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.05,0:04:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a halt.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.27,0:04:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't just want the brain to be asleep,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.55,0:04:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want the metabolic activity of the brain to stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.64,0:04:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every measurable output that the body puts out,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.83,0:04:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really disappears completely.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.34,0:04:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that you have no measurable
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.71,0:05:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neuronal activity whatsoever.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.98,0:05:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prior to the operation starting,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.67,0:05:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of activity goes on.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.22,0:05:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The patient is put to sleep.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.29,0:05:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The eyes are taped shut.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.95,0:05:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are little clicking devices put in each ear
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.36,0:05:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to monitor the brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.30,0:05:19.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The patient is then completely covered.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.100,0:05:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing that's really exposed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.77,0:05:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the area of the head where we work.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.84,0:05:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I don't remember an operating room.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.57,0:05:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't remember seeing Dr. Spetzler at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.96,0:05:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was with a fellow,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.92,0:05:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of his fellows was with me at that time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.34,0:05:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.48,0:05:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Absolutely nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.48,0:05:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Until the sound.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.69,0:05:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[bone saw whirring]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.78,0:05:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.08,0:05:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the sound was unpleasant.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.90,0:05:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was guttural.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.60,0:06:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was reminiscent of being in a dentist office.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.76,0:06:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember the top of my head tingling
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.30,0:06:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I just sort of popped out of the top of my head.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.15,0:06:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was then looking down at the body.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.98,0:06:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew it was my body,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.10,0:06:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't care.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.86,0:06:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My vantage point was sort of sitting
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.50,0:06:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the doctor's shoulder.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.25,0:06:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember the instrument in his hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.13,0:06:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looked like the handle to my electric toothbrush.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.52,0:06:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had assumed they were going to open the skull
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.87,0:06:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a saw.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.63,0:06:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had heard the term, saw,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.42,0:06:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what I saw looked a lot more like a drill
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.09,0:06:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than a saw.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.57,0:06:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It even had little bits that were kept in this case
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.53,0:06:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that looked like a case that my father stored his
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.21,0:06:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,socket wrenches in when I was a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.52,0:07:01.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember distinctly hearing a female
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.55,0:07:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voice saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.71,0:07:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> We have a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.44,0:07:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her arteries are too small.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.34,0:07:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Try the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.25,0:07:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> It seemed to come from further
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.72,0:07:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down on the table.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.87,0:07:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do remember wondering, what are they doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.44,0:07:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because this is brain surgery.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.48,0:07:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what had happened was they accessed
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.49,0:07:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the femoral arteries in order to drain the blood.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.04,0:07:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did not understand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.22,0:07:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> In the process of my study,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.66,0:07:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went and interviewed Dr. Spetzler and looked at
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.90,0:07:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his operative report and I found that what she saw
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.32,0:07:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from her out of body experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.83,0:07:46.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seemingly corresponded very accurately
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.09,0:07:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what had actually occurred.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.57,0:07:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She looked at the bone saw that was being used
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.03,0:07:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cut open her skull.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.98,0:07:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't have any idea what this thing looked like.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.15,0:08:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She described it as an electric toothbrush
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.65,0:08:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I thought was ridiculous.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.56,0:08:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to send off for a picture of this saw
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.15,0:08:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Fort Worth, Texas to confirm whether or not
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.28,0:08:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what she said it looked like actually was accurate.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.60,0:08:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was astounded when I saw the picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.05,0:08:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It indeed does resemble an electric toothbrush.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.32,0:08:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I don't think that the observations she made
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.46,0:08:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were based on what she experienced as she went
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.71,0:08:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the operating room theater.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.53,0:08:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were just not available to her.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.69,0:08:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, the drill and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.14,0:08:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those things are all covered up.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.80,0:08:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're not visible.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.03,0:08:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were inside their packages.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.63,0:08:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You really don't begin to open until the patient
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.33,0:08:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,iIs completely asleep so that you maintain
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.02,0:08:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sterile environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.78,0:08:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> She also heard a conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.28,0:08:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the operation between Dr. Spetzler
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.26,0:08:54.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cardiovascular surgeons who were cutting
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.63,0:08:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into her legs to hook her up to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.97,0:08:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the heart-lung machine
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.18,0:09:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the cardiac surgeon incised her right groin,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.91,0:09:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she found that her veins and arteries were too small
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.38,0:09:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she had to go over to the left side.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.78,0:09:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was some conversation at the time
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.59,0:09:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the doctors.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.26,0:09:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pam accurately recalled hearing that conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.16,0:09:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> At that stage in the operation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.41,0:09:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody can observe, hear,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.51,0:09:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that state.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.25,0:09:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I find it inconceivable that your normal senses
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.60,0:09:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as hearing, let alone the fact that she
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.73,0:09:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had clicking modules in each ear,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.29,0:09:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was any way for her to hear those
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.91,0:09:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through normal auditory pathways.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.60,0:09:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> So, again, this is very suggestive of the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.91,0:09:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was some sort of extrasensory perception
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.40,0:09:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or out of body experience
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.86,0:09:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whatever occurring at the time that was allowing
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.00,0:09:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pam to hear accurately and seemingly see
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.35,0:09:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accurately what was going on in the operating room
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.34,0:10:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.64,0:10:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.14,0:10:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I felt a presence.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.92,0:10:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sort of turned around to look at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.16,0:10:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's when I saw the very tiny pinpoint of light.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.74,0:10:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the light started to pull me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.60,0:10:24.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was a physical sensation to the pulling
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.51,0:10:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know how that must sound.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.41,0:10:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nonetheless, it's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.05,0:10:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a physical sensation,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.91,0:10:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather like going over a hill real fast,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.02,0:10:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your tummy.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.44,0:10:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I went toward the light.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.58,0:10:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The closer I got to the light, I began to discern
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.81,0:10:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different figures,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.98,0:10:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.69,0:10:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I distinctly heard my grandmother call me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.25,0:10:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has a very distinct voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.55,0:10:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I immediately went to her.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.87,0:11:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it felt great.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.94,0:11:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw an uncle who passed away
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.58,0:11:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he was only thirty-nine years old.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.86,0:11:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He taught me a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.01,0:11:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He taught me to play my first guitar.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.15,0:11:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw many, many people I knew
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.30,0:11:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many, many I didn't know
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.88,0:11:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I knew I was somehow in someway
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.88,0:11:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connected to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.100,0:11:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked if God was the light.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.27,0:11:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the answer was,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.42,0:11:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no, God is not the light,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.73,0:11:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the light is what happens when God breathes.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.56,0:11:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I stood there thinking,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.59,0:11:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm standing in the breath of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.11,0:11:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.37,0:11:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At some point in time,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.84,0:11:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was reminded that it was time to go back.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.80,0:12:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, I had made my decision to go back
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.34,0:12:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before I ever laid down on that table
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.93,0:12:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know, the more I was there,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.100,0:12:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the better I liked it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.03,0:12:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my uncle was the one who brought me
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.96,0:12:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back down to the body.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.44,0:12:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I got to where the body was and I looked
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.31,0:12:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the thing, and I for sure did not want
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.04,0:12:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get in it because it looked pretty much
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.03,0:12:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like what it was,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.77,0:12:28.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in void of life.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.35,0:12:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I knew it would hurt
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.21,0:12:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, I didn't want to get in.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.62,0:12:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He kept reasoning with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.97,0:12:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said it's like diving into a swimming pool,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.90,0:12:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just jump in.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.46,0:12:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.36,0:12:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.36,0:12:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about the children?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.65,0:12:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.34,0:12:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the children will be fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.04,0:12:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.92,0:12:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Honey, you gotta go.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.27,0:12:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.60,0:12:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He pushed me.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.87,0:12:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He gave me a little help there.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.35,0:13:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's taken a long time, but I think I'm ready
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.08,0:13:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to forgive him for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.55,0:13:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.23,0:13:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But - I landed - I saw the body jump.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.48,0:13:12.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw it do this number.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.62,0:13:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he pushed me and I felt it
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.60,0:13:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do this number.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.13,0:13:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.38,0:13:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> This is a classic near death experience
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.27,0:13:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,occurring under extremely monitored
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.54,0:13:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medical conditions where every known vial sign
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.23,0:13:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.63,0:13:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basically every clinical sign of life
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.36,0:13:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and death was being monitored at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.26,0:13:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what makes her case so remarkable
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.14,0:13:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so valuable to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.53,0:13:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> I don't have an explanation for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.70,0:13:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how it's possible for it to happen
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.23,0:13:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considering the physiological state she's in.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.63,0:14:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time, I have seen so many things
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.30,0:14:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I can't explain that I don't want to be
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.74,0:14:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so arrogant as to be able to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.36,0:14:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's no way it can happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.09,0:14:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Pam's case points to the fact that somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.76,0:14:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she was able to retain coherent perception
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.20,0:14:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and memory whilst clinically dead.