[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.09,0:00:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(upbeat electronic music) Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.80,0:00:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Turrell: Generally, we use light. Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.20,0:00:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't really pay much \Nattention to the light itself. Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.24,0:00:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(quiet electronic music continues) Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.56,0:00:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my interest. Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.32,0:00:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This fascination with light \Nand how we come to light. Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.61,0:01:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: When you really start to look, Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.99,0:01:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you sort of lose yourself. Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.59,0:01:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man: Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.23,0:01:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: And that's when it \Nbecomes sort of disorienting. Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.71,0:01:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man: Um-hmm. Ah.\NWoman: Whoa. Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.18,0:01:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: It's sort of an escape.\NMan: Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.64,0:01:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: From everything that's above Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.04,0:01:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the bustling of the streets Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.88,0:01:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 'cause it's right under the street Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.72,0:01:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you wouldn't think it'd be so nice down here. Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.72,0:01:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Turrell: I had this thought to just \Nbring the cosmos closer down Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.92,0:01:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the space where we occupy. Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.64,0:01:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(peaceful guitar music) Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.51,0:01:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's always something to work \Nwith light in the outdoors. Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.12,0:01:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had spent seven months \Nflying in the western states. Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.48,0:01:52.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was how I found Roden Crater, Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.56,0:01:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is on the western \Nedge of the painted desert. Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.40,0:02:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it had to sort of \Nmeet this criteria Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.20,0:02:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a certain height and it's nice Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.08,0:02:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was away from other ones. Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.76,0:02:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think the important thing \Nis just this kind of sense Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.92,0:02:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of power that each space \Nor each place has. Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.88,0:02:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the place felt right. Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.20,0:02:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted a bowl shape that \Nwas raised above the plain. Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.40,0:02:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was important, \Nso that you come up the space Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.60,0:02:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you go through this \Nand you see the shaping of sky. Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.12,0:02:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when you come out, \Nthere's actually a shaping of Earth. Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.09,0:02:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(peaceful electronic music) Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.00,0:02:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(plane motor running) Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.60,0:02:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The crater is a wonderful example Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.79,0:02:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of blending hard science, of physical \Nscience, with art and vice versa. Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.80,0:02:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Celestial events will be \Napparent at the crater site Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.88,0:02:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you won't be able to see Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.02,0:02:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only be able to see \Nin a few other spots on the earth. Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.40,0:03:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To have a sort of new, \Neight-and-half-minute old, Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.36,0:03:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,light from the sun, Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.75,0:03:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to feel it physically,\Nalmost as we taste things, Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.71,0:03:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where you can \Nwork with light like that. Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.59,0:03:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, I wanted to use the \Nvery fine qualities of light. Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.04,0:03:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to gather starlight Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.48,0:03:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was from outside \Nthe planetary system, Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.96,0:03:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would be older \Nthan our solar system. Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.56,0:03:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can gather that light Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.64,0:03:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and physically have that in place. Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.28,0:03:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's physically present \Nto feel this old light. Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.68,0:03:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the opening to the crater. Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.04,0:03:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's an elliptical sky space. Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.08,0:03:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The space is really \N'take you up into the sky', Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.88,0:04:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, certainly, the events \Nfrom the sky come through them Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.40,0:04:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down into the crater. Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.32,0:04:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this opening up into the \Nsky is something I really like. Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.81,0:04:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ladder clanging) Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.86,0:04:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met Jim Turrell about 15 years ago. Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.00,0:04:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jim is a big thinker, thinks big. Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.88,0:04:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had an idea to point a tunnel \Nthrough the crater wall Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.96,0:04:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to face the southwestern part of the sky Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.64,0:04:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the moon would appear \Nevery 18.6 years, Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.64,0:04:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a cycle called the sorrows \Nor a lower lunar standstill. Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.20,0:04:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cycle of the moon has been known Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.96,0:04:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the days of the Babylonian records. Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.72,0:04:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it goes back eight, 10,000 years. Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.04,0:05:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can actually see this, Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.08,0:05:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the image of this down inside \Nthe sun and moon space, Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.72,0:05:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then you'd have about 20 \Nminutes to walk up to the top Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.08,0:05:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actually see it set on the horizon. Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.22,0:05:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ethereal music) Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.78,0:05:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the strangest thing is \Nthat we have made real Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.24,0:05:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an actual illusion. \NThat is, when we camp out, Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.00,0:05:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we think that the sun \Nrises in the east, Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.92,0:05:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if we're at night, Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.08,0:05:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it looks as though \Nthe stars come up in the east Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.60,0:05:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and move over us \Nand go down in the west. Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.24,0:05:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, we are turning the opposite. Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.16,0:05:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're on the earth that's \Nturning the opposite way, Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.28,0:05:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we don't feel that. Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.96,0:05:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the north space, Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.32,0:05:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've removed all reference to horizon Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.08,0:05:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so your field of reference \Nare the stars. Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.32,0:05:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what happens is \Nyou feel yourself Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.32,0:05:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be moving, almost tipping. Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.36,0:05:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you're sitting back \Nin here, in this seat here, Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.80,0:06:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you actually will see \Nthe rotation of the earth Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.80,0:06:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can feel that. Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.23,0:06:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(peaceful music) Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.32,0:06:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James had a lifetime goal \Nof building a meeting house Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.24,0:06:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was really used \Nas a meeting house. Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.96,0:06:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when he heard \Nthat Houston wanted Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.68,0:06:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build a meeting house \Nand was in the process Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.16,0:06:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of doing that and raising money, Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.24,0:06:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he offered to donate his art. Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.28,0:06:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, for me, that was kind of \Nthe meeting house I always \Nwanted to see. Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.29,0:06:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's a very traditional form \Nexcept it's convertible. Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.08,0:06:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The top opens and \Nit makes the sky space, Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.60,0:06:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where sky is really \Nbrought down to you Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.56,0:06:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the space where you sit. Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.08,0:07:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're never quite prepared \Nfor what the light Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.04,0:07:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is going to do to you \Nand what the interaction Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.96,0:07:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with nature and \Nthe sublime quiet will do Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.32,0:07:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you come into a place like this Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.40,0:07:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just simply slow down. Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.57,0:07:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ethereal music) Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.76,0:07:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being a lifetime Quaker, Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.48,0:07:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we felt strongly that James \Nwould not design anything Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.60,0:07:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was not appropriate \Nfor our worship. Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.88,0:07:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are hoping that our meeting \Nhouse becomes an ecumenical place Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.32,0:07:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people could find inner peace. Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.08,0:08:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I was maybe five or six, \Nand my grandmother would \N Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.51,0:08:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,begin taking me in and sitting me \Nin the Quaker meeting house, Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.29,0:08:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we would just sit in there together. Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.44,0:08:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's this time when you \Nno longer are in first day of school, Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.88,0:08:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you actually come \Nand join the meeting. Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.93,0:08:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember I tried to, you know, \Nask you my grandmother, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.38,0:08:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What, what are we doing? \NWhat are, what am I supposed to do?" Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.24,0:08:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said, "Just wait. \NWe're going inside to greet the light." Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.44,0:08:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I like that. Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.52,0:08:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea to go inside, \Nto find that light within, Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.28,0:08:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literally as well as figuratively, Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.08,0:08:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I was very interested \Nin this sort of literal look at it. Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.08,0:08:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.58,0:08:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm still trying to figure \Nout exactly what she meant Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.63,0:08:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.56,0:08:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My daughter was born when I first had the idea Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.56,0:09:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the crater. Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.04,0:09:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Went to college and university, \Ngot her medical degree and Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.92,0:09:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now is a doctor, and is married. Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.24,0:09:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm still not finished with the crater. Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.84,0:09:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I've gotta get along \Nhere and get this thing done. Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.25,0:09:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(footsteps) Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.92,0:09:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To keep the crater, Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.84,0:09:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to go get a loan from farm credit Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.24,0:09:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really get involved in ranching Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.44,0:09:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause they wouldn't loan money on vacant land. Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.88,0:09:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So suddenly, I have a one million dollar mortgage Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.52,0:09:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is not interesting to my wife. Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.64,0:09:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she felt I was mortgaging \Nour children's future. Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.77,0:09:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(horse neighing)\NDid you hear that buddy? Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.10,0:09:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(galloping) Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.18,0:09:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James: We run almost separate operations. Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.24,0:09:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cattle are my department Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.48,0:09:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the new art is his department. Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.40,0:09:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Payday's once a year. Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.28,0:09:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in the fall when you sell the calves. Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.28,0:09:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jim: Good boys. Good boys. Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.44,0:10:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And things can go pretty well \Nor they can go pretty sour Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.84,0:10:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on the price of cattle at that time. Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.22,0:10:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jim doesn't stay real happy Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.22,0:10:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the price of cattle's low. Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.32,0:10:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, imagine that (laughs). Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.52,0:10:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jim: People often ask me \Nhow much this crater costs Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.52,0:10:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, it costs made two marriages Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.36,0:10:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a relationship. Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.40,0:10:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are the places Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.04,0:10:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you feel the greatest \Ndiscouragement as you see, Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.16,0:10:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's sometimes hard for others to follow Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.28,0:10:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you think is the natural course of things Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.28,0:10:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how to get something done. Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.88,0:10:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the horizon, Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.04,0:10:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a milky, cloudy type of view, Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.52,0:10:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as you go higher in the sky, Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.52,0:11:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sky becomes a uniform blue, maybe with clouds. Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.64,0:11:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you can be in a well so to speak, Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.44,0:11:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in a crater like Roden, Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.40,0:11:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see no contrast with the \Ndepth of the sky and your view. Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.04,0:11:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you realize its closeness. Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.24,0:11:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes if you're conscious enough, you can, Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.92,0:11:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll discover that you're in the atmosphere. Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.24,0:11:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not separated from the sky at night. Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.20,0:11:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even during the day you have this feeling Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.92,0:11:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you're one with the universe. Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.68,0:11:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when you read a book Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.68,0:11:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're often so involved in the space Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.60,0:11:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generated by the author Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.72,0:11:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whatever happens in front of you disappears. Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.64,0:11:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People pass by. Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.36,0:11:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't even notice them. Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.16,0:11:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you've paid the price of admission Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.52,0:11:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've entered that space. Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.04,0:11:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people come to art and they look at it Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.00,0:11:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is one of the \Nproblems in contemporary art. Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.40,0:11:57.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, they don't actually enter the realm Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.28,0:11:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the artist was involved in. Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.68,0:12:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a little more of a \Ndistance there and the situation Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.64,0:12:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the journey to the place like Roden Crater. Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.88,0:12:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that you actually \Nhave to do some thing or some Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.76,0:12:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involvement to have this come over you, Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.84,0:12:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to quiet Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.32,0:12:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it actually makes this experience, Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.56,0:12:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, much stronger.