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It's a little bit like 'Karate Kid'.

[laughs]

making painting is such an uprising insolitude.

One of these things really struggle about whether I could actually do this for my life

it's like I don't know if I can be alone that much.

It was really rough for me when I left school and started painting alone and full time

I was living home and working at home. So I had no reason to ever leave the house

Like going buy milk,and I would chat with the person selling milk, for [Laughs]

like, way to long.

"Can we see inside?"

"Oh yeah!"

[Laughs]

I mean, I think this is how they paint cars.

But they don't use oil paint, they use enamel.

I think there is a little bit of guilt to be an artist in this time.

when you could be doing something more proactively positive directly in the world.

It's hard to do something that is not justified by anything.

I don't know if I actually succeed in that, but that's the goal.

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There is something indulging about painting.

My individual trait of the sploodged over the surface for you to admire how unique my mark

making shit smearing process is.

I struggle with that not all the time but i occasionally do struggle with that about what I do with my life.

{scoffs]

It is such an ugly, ugly stage in the painting. [laughs]

Oh my God I can't believe I am showing this to you guys.

It's horrible.

[sighs] I don't know.

I think I am going to have to put more purple down. I don't like how it looks like a squid in front of a building.

I've had a lot of people say that my paintings remind them of graffiti walls,

or seed maps and grids in a sort of literal sense.

At first when people said you seem to be inspired by the city, I was like: "No, it's so corny..." and "...that's not true..."

Then I realized, I have like a view of Manhattan for my studio.

You know, that's the main thing I look at when I'm not looking at my paintings, as I look out the window.

My paintings are about, I think, seeing through the other world,

like maybe hiding and exposing a road system on top of the subway system, under an air traffic control system.

That's what an abstraction is, it's not about things that are nameable,

it's sort of like undo the nameable things in life.

This is what I'm looking at, Bernard, Albert Allen, I just looked at..., I just found... re-found these yellow ones, yellow Albert's paintings...

...like yellow and grey, whites.

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"God!"

Slay me, you know!

[laughs]

The color is so good. What? It's like puke of orange and yellow.

Yeah, painting is one of the oldest thing in the world.

I mean, hands down. Not only it is of the oldest things in the world, like, when you make a painting

you have no idea how long it's gonna last.

It could last a very, very long time. It might not, it might be put into a dumpster tomorrow.

Cause maybe in hundreds of years people'd be looking at my paintings.

Maybe even as just as artifacts, of what idiotic people do in New York at some point.

I think the beauty of painting is just that you feel a kingship for a moment at least, of the world.

You feel a little less alone in the world, which is great.

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