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♪oh ♪oh oooh♫ the Lord, the lord♪

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It's a little bit like 'Karate Kid'.

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[laughs]

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making painting is such an uprising insolitude.

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One of these things really struggle about whether I could actually do this for my life

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it's like I don't know if I can be alone that much.

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It was really rough for me when I left school and started painting alone and full time

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I was living home and working at home. So I had no reason to ever leave the house

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Like going buy milk,and I would chat with the person selling milk, for [Laughs]

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like, way to long.

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"Can we see inside?"

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"Oh yeah!"

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[Laughs]

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I mean, I think this is how they paint cars.

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But they don't use oil paint, they use enamel.

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I think there is a little bit of guilt to be an artist in this time.

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when you could be doing something more proactively positive directly in the world.

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It's hard to do something that is not justified by anything.

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I don't know if I actually succeed in that, but that's the goal.

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There is something indulging about painting.

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My individual trait of the sploodged over the surface for you to admire how unique my mark

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making shit smearing process is.

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I struggle with that not all the time but i occasionally do struggle with that about what I do with my life.

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{scoffs]

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It is such an ugly, ugly stage in the painting. [laughs]

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Oh my God I can't believe I am showing this to you guys.

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It's horrible.

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[sighs] I don't know.

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I think I am going to have to put more purple down. I don't like how it looks like a squid in front of a building.

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I've had a lot of people say that my paintings remind them of graffiti walls,

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or seed maps and grids in a sort of literal sense.

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At first when people said you seem to be inspired by the city, I was like: "No, it's so corny..." and "...that's not true..."

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Then I realized, I have like a view of Manhattan for my studio.

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You know, that's the main thing I look at when I'm not looking at my paintings, as I look out the window.

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My paintings are about, I think, seeing through the other world,

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like maybe hiding and exposing a road system on top of the subway system, under an air traffic control system.

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That's what an abstraction is, it's not about things that are nameable,

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it's sort of like undo the nameable things in life.

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This is what I'm looking at, Bernard, Albert Allen, I just looked at..., I just found... re-found these yellow ones, yellow Albert's paintings...

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...like yellow and grey, whites.

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[exhales][br]"God!"

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Slay me, you know!

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[laughs]

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The color is so good. What? It's like puke of orange and yellow.

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Yeah, painting is one of the oldest thing in the world.

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I mean, hands down. Not only it is of the oldest things in the world, like, when you make a painting

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you have no idea how long it's gonna last.

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It could last a very, very long time. It might not, it might be put into a dumpster tomorrow.

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Cause maybe in hundreds of years people'd be looking at my paintings.

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Maybe even as just as artifacts, of what idiotic people do in New York at some point.

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I think the beauty of painting is just that you feel a kingship for a moment at least, of the world.

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You feel a little less alone in the world, which is great.

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