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♪oh ♪oh oooh♫ the Lord, the lord♪

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It's a little bit like 'Karate Kid'.

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[laughs]

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making painting is such an uprising insolitude.

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One of these things really struggle about whether I could actually do this for my life

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it's like I don't know if I can be alone that much.

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It was really rough for me when I left school and started painting alone and full time

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I was living home and working at home. So I had no reason to ever leave the house

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Like going buy milk,and I would chat with the person selling milk, for [Laughs]

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like, way to long.

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"Can we see inside?"

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"Oh yeah!"

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[Laughs]

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I mean, I think this is how they paint cars.

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But they don't use real paint, they use enamel.

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I think there is a little bit of guilt when you are an artist in this time.

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Or anytime when you could be doing something more proactively positive directly in the world.

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It's hard to do something that is not justified by anything.

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I don't know if I actually succeed in that, and that's the goal.

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There is something indulgent about painting.

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My individual trait in being is sploodged over the surface for you to admire how unique my mark

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my work making shit smearing process is.

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I struggle with that not all the whole time but i occasionally do struggle with that about what I do with my life.

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{scoffs]

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It is such an ugly, ugly stage in the painting. [laughs]

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Oh my God I can't believe I am showing this to you guys.

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This is horrible.

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[sighs] I don't know.

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I think I am going to have to put more purple down. i don't like how it looks. it looks like a squid in front of a building.

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I've had a lot of people say that my paintings remind them of graffiti walls,

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or seed maps and grids in some literal sense.

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At first when people said you seem to be inspired bu the city, I'm like: "No, it's so corny, and that's not true."

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Then I realized, I have a view of Manhattan for my studio.

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You know, its the main thing I look at when I'm not looking at my paintings, as I look out the window.

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My paintings are about, I think, seeing through the other world,

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maybe hiding and exposing a road system on top of a subway system, under an air traffic control system.

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That is what abstraction is, it is not about things that are nameable,

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it's sort of like trying to undo the nameable things in life.

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This is what I'm looking at,Bernard,Albert Allen,I just found these yellow ones, yellow Albert's paintings,

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Like yellow and grey, white.

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[exhales]
"God!"

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Slay me, you know.

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[laughs]

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The color is so good.What? It's like puke of orange and yellow.

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You know, painting is one of the oldest thing in the world.

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I mean, hands down. Not only it is of the oldest things in the world, like, when you make a painting

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you have no idea how long it's gonna last.

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It could last a very, very long time. It might not, it might be put into a dumpster tomorrow.

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Cause maybe in hundreds of years people'd be looking at my paintings.

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Maybe even as just as artifacts, it's what idiotic people do in New York at some point.

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I think the beauty of painting is just that you feel a kingship for a moment at least, of the world.

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You feel a little less alone in the world, which is great.

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