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It's a little bit like 'Karate Kid'.

[laughs]

making painting is such an uprising insolitude.

One of these things really struggle about whether I could actually do this for my life

it's like I don't know if I can be alone that much.

It was really rough for me when I left school and started painting alone and full time

I was living home and working at home. So I had no reason to ever leave the house

Like going buy milk,and I would chat with the person selling milk. [Laughs]

For way to long.

"Can we see inside?"

"Oh yeah!"

[Laughs]

I mean, I think this is how they paint cars.

depends on user and their layers and I one.

Or anytime when you could be doing something more proactively positive directly in the world.

It's hard to do something that is not justified by anything.

I don't know if I actually succeed in that, and that's the goal.

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There is something indulgent about painting.

My individual trait in being is sploodged over the surface for you to admire how unique my mark

my work making shit smearing process is.

I struggle with that not all the whole time but i occasionally do struggle with that about what I do with my life.

{scoffs]

It is such an ugly, ugly stage in the painting. [laughs]

Oh my God I can't believe I am showing this to you guys.

This is horrible.

[sighs] I don't know.

I think I am going to have to put more purple down. i don't like how it looks. it looks like a squid in front of a building.

I've had a lot of people say that my paintings remind them of graffiti walls,

or seed maps and grids in some literal sense.

At first when people said you seem to be inspired bu the city, I'm like: "No, it's so corny, and that's not true."

Then I realized, I have a view of Manhattan for my studio.

You know, its the main thing I look at when I'm not looking at my paintings, as I look out the window.

My paintings are about, I think, seeing through the other world,

maybe hiding and exposing a road system on top of a subway system, under an air traffic control system.

That is what abstraction is, it is not about things that are nameable,

it's sort of like trying to undo the nameable things in life.

This is what I'm looking at,Bernard,Albert Allen,I just found these yellow ones, yellow Albert's paintings,

Like yellow and grey, white.

[exhales]
"God!"

Slay me, you know.

[laughs]

The color is so good.What? It's a hue of orange and yellow.

You know, painting is one of the oldest thing in the world.

I mean, hands down. No, no wait, is it one of the oldest things in the world, like, when you make a painting

you have no idea how long it's gonna last.

It could last a very, very long time. It might not, it might be put into a dumpster tomorrow.

Cause maybe in hundreds of years people'd be looking at my paintings.

Maybe even as just as artifacts, it's what idiotic people do in New York at some point.

I think the beauty of painting is just that you feel a kingship for a moment at least, of the world.

You feel a little less alone in the world, which is great.

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