[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.13,0:00:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Louisiana channel - David Hocney: Photoshop is boring) Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.95,0:00:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[David Hockney] The invention of photography Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.14,0:00:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was an invention of chemicals Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.82,0:00:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a way, chemical photography is now ended. Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.35,0:00:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It lasted - what? - 160 years. Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.35,0:00:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, nobody thought chemical photography would end. Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.63,0:00:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody predicts that, do they? Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.95,0:00:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It ended - it certainly has ended now. Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.79,0:00:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kodak stopped making fixative about eight years ago, I think. Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.66,0:00:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the fixative was the invention. Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.08,0:00:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daguerre did it his way Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.30,0:00:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in England Fox Talbot, who was playing with cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.02,0:00:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meaning, seeing these images - Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.10,0:00:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and remember, they saw them in color: you always see them in color; Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.72,0:01:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were surprised that the photograph was black and white Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.69,0:01:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they first came out - Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.71,0:01:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, he said to Sir John Herschel: Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.72,0:01:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How can I -- how can we fix this image?" Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.18,0:01:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They could get it on paper, using silver Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.91,0:01:20.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it didn't last long. Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.62,0:01:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, sir John Herschel said: Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.80,0:01:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh well, if you want to fix it, you need this, this and this" Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.77,0:01:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wrote out the formula for fixative Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.75,0:01:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was still being manufactured till eight years ago. Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.98,0:01:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, we've now moved out of that period. Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.56,0:01:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will point out, I - in 1989, I was invited by Adobe, in Silicon Valley, Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.97,0:01:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the launch of Photoshop. Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.48,0:02:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they invited a few people for various reasons. Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.66,0:02:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tink I was invited because they'd seen the photo collage I'd done Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.19,0:02:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of - of Pearblossom Highway. Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.41,0:02:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they invited me and I went up with my assistant, Richard. Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.58,0:02:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I took my dogs as well. Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.07,0:02:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said - I saw it - Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.16,0:02:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are two things they don't like in Silicon Valley: Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.62,0:02:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smokers and dogs. Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.79,0:02:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said "Well, you got to lump it, Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.04,0:02:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here and you'll have to do it." Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.02,0:02:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they were showing as well - we tried things [check] Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.81,0:02:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we were driving back to LA, I said Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.72,0:02:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow, that was all about drawing Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.78,0:02:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the end of chemical photography." Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.74,0:02:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you can't do this with chemical photography. Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.13,0:02:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has to be digital for the Photoshop. Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.26,0:02:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was a bit early, but nevertheless, Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.10,0:03:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could see that's what was coming. Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.12,0:03:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one-hour Photomat place was going to disappear Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.61,0:03:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- that's what I had been using, things like that. Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.58,0:03:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has implications that I began to see. Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.46,0:03:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've got bigger, Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.82,0:03:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're still there now, they're getting bigger. Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.85,0:03:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a way, I mean to say, useful thing, Photoshop Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.57,0:03:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it has made a lot of magazines look very similar, Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.92,0:03:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather boring. Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.93,0:03:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It polishes photography, they put the highlights in, Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.86,0:03:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take them blemishes away, I mean that sort of thing, Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.53,0:03:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,love it in Hollywood, Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.36,0:03:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they all touch up things. Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.76,0:03:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean, it's also causing a kind of stale look Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.06,0:03:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- to me, anyway, to me. Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.99,0:03:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's why, if you need, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.92,0:04:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even fashion magazines, thirty years ago, Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.46,0:04:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have quite a lot of drawings in them Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.53,0:04:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you got a different thing as you looked through pages. Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.39,0:04:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But not many people draw now, so it's all photography Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.98,0:04:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, getting more and more boring because of it, I think. Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.69,0:04:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I was - we were just in the Picasso show here, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.78,0:04:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was looking at that owl, that marvelous owl Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.87,0:04:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and today, I pointed out, well, Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.54,0:04:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people just stuff a real owl and put it in a case. Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.00,0:04:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not that interesting. Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.91,0:04:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was explaining to my young friend Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.100,0:04:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why Picasso's is so marvelous is Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.15,0:04:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It isn't an owl, it's a human being looking at an owl. Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.19,0:04:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an account of a human being looking at an owl. Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.47,0:05:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's what thrills us. Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.33,0:05:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is more owlness there than in the stuffed owl. Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.43,0:05:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you find a way to solve something - Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.10,0:05:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was talking about the Spring, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.10,0:05:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working on that now in England - Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.63,0:05:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how would you depict the arrival of Spring? Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.62,0:05:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The arrival of Spring is too slow for a movie to catch it. Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.45,0:05:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It moves too - it moves, but it moves too slowly Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.43,0:05:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the movie camera. Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.43,0:05:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's also not that easy to photograph Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.95,0:05:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the very first signs of it is so subtle Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.47,0:05:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the camera doesn't see them that well. Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.95,0:05:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if the human eye sees it, you can exaggerate a little Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.10,0:06:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first little green shoots coming up, Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.71,0:06:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you emphasize the green. Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.30,0:06:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cameras can't - they're not that good on color, really, Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.51,0:06:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they don't see the subtle colors at all, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.22,0:06:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's OK, you know, on a beach, color photography Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.55,0:06:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but with greens, it's not that good, really, Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.04,0:06:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even today it's not. Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.06,0:06:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even, I mean, when we use nine cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.37,0:06:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore we could use different exposures on each one, Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.26,0:06:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't get a bigger range of greens. Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.31,0:06:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that, I mean I know about, Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.44,0:06:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know about technical things, about film and things. Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.88,0:06:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a - Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.36,0:06:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,peop-- you know, Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.06,0:06:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not much is written often about these technical problems Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.53,0:06:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're technical problems. Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.14,0:06:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can overcome them but Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.68,0:06:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're not taught about them much, Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.85,0:06:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people forget that they are problems Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.64,0:07:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they have to be sorted out. Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.80,0:07:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been dealing with the Winter in East Yorkshire. Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.51,0:07:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a climate, just like this really, just over the water. Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.79,0:07:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very similar climate, Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.10,0:07:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very similar horticulture and agriculture Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.96,0:07:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the Spring is just beginning here, isn't it? Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.06,0:07:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just beginning there. Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.73,0:07:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And - but of course, you don't get Spring in Southern California, Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.39,0:07:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not big anyway - Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.49,0:07:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I found there was more color in the Winter, Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.86,0:07:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the road, this little road, is darkest of all Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.21,0:07:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the height of Summer Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.60,0:07:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because all the leaves of - come over it, it's like a tunnel Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.49,0:07:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's darker in it. Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.32,0:07:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean, you get in light coming in. Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.34,0:07:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's its darkest. Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.89,0:07:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's at its lightest in the Winter if it snows, Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.61,0:07:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you get reflection from the ground. Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.86,0:08:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we filmed it with nine cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.49,0:08:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm drawing it all the time as well. Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.07,0:08:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My local doctor we're friendly with, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.42,0:08:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she is a pai-- an amateur painter, Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.33,0:08:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she comes to the studio Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.33,0:08:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm showing her the pictures. Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.91,0:08:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we showed her the films. Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.92,0:08:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.94,0:08:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"God, I've never looked at this little street!" Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.95,0:08:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said, next time she came, she said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.69,0:08:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You inspired us, David. Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.12,0:08:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We drove down and took a long walk, Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.02,0:08:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a darned long walk [check] Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.03,0:08:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after watching your films and those things." Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.63,0:08:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.84,0:08:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, it's a lovely, it's a Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.61,0:08:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'll tell you what's very nice about there: Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.32,0:08:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a very, rather isolated bit of England. Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.93,0:08:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very isolated partly because there's a wide river, Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.40,0:08:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Humber, to the South Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.02,0:08:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are not many people there, Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.47,0:09:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not many people live there, Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.09,0:09:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's agricultural, great one agricultural land [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.18,0:09:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they don't build on it much. Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.22,0:09:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not many people. Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.85,0:09:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can - we painted in it, filmed in it, Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.16,0:09:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody's - nobody there to stop you. Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.83,0:09:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In L.A.! Oh, if you got out a camera in a car, Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.24,0:09:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd have had to get permits, Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.00,0:09:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd have to get police riding to protect you, Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.71,0:09:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install lines [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.81,0:09:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hollywood cops and things. Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.66,0:09:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in East Yorkshire, we come, we do it, nobody bothers us, Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.71,0:09:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're hanging on jeeps, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.95,0:09:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, actually, once JP and I, Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.10,0:09:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were going out painting with our canvasses Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.14,0:09:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you never see anybody out there, Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.10,0:09:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suddenly, aboard a Toyota truck [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.47,0:09:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four policemen jump out and we got a ticket: Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.65,0:09:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we hadn't put our seat belts on. Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.37,0:09:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And OK, we were just not going far [check], Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.93,0:09:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were going to get out the canvas. [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.40,0:10:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we got the tickets. Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.77,0:10:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the policemen is looking out of the window to me Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.53,0:10:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying "You got to have the seatbelt, Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.88,0:10:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,death is lurking everywhere." Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.13,0:10:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I'm looking out of the window and I mean, Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.68,0:10:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean at leaves coming on the trees, Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.75,0:10:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the spring is coming out, and I say: Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.04,0:10:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, you know, life is lurking everywhere as well!" [laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.12,0:10:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, we got the tickets, Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.84,0:10:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we might put them in the exhibition, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.71,0:10:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we were going to paint, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.83,0:10:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set up six canvasses. Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.73,0:10:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if they saw us with these cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.71,0:10:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd have been taken out to jail, probably, I mean Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.10,0:10:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we were hanging on. Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.48,0:10:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we're not going very f-- Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.77,0:10:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we were going, you know, 10 miles an hour. Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.31,0:10:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'd leave it alone, probably, Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.89,0:10:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was amusing that we got the ticket for the seatbelts. Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.32,0:10:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did tell them that I was not particularly into bondage, me: Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.34,0:10:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.53,0:10:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like the seatbelts. [laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.11,0:11:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people are into bondage -- I don't like -- Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.79,0:11:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's OK: good fun, sometimes. Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.83,0:11:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Louisiana channel) Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.36,0:11:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Supported by Nordea Funden) Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.02,0:11:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(louisiana.dk/channel) Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.31,0:11:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Š LOUISIANA)