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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So the first speaker for this\Nconference is lizvlx. And she runs
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.30,0:00:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ubermorgen.com and she is really\Ninterested in software art, photography
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.14,0:00:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and net art. And if you heard about Vote-\NAuction that was her. This talk will be
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.66,0:00:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about anti terrorist laws implications on\Nfree thinking and art. Thank you very much
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.32,0:00:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liz.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.83,0:00:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Well hello, sorry that took a\Nlittle bit. I'm using the wrong software
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.26,0:01:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparently, its not Microsoft so I'm\Nreally sorry. "Do you think that's funny"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.61,0:01:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the title of this talk because this\Nwas a question we got asked quite a few
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.10,0:01:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago by a reporter wanting to discuss\Na project that we did and I thought it was
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.73,0:01:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stupidest question I have ever been\Nasked and I have loved it ever since
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.61,0:01:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because obviously this shit is not funny\Nat all. So, yeah. Because it's about art-
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.45,0:01:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,practice under anti-terror laws. I'm not\Ngoing to give this theoretical talk now,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.83,0:01:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you're fine it's about practice. I'm\Ngonna show you a set of projects and focus on
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.87,0:01:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of the implications of anti-terror\Nlaws on the project, on the production of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.76,0:01:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the project most and foremost and also\Nsome other projects obviously have been
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.92,0:01:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced before all these crazy ass laws\Nhave come into effect. So let's just get
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.57,0:02:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started. And of course in the end I'll be\Ndoing a Q&A. So a short introduction. So
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.31,0:02:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us, I mean when I'm talking us means\Nubermorgen.com so that's me and my partner
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.95,0:02:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hans. So we started in the 90s and in the\N90s it was really great, I really loved it
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.51,0:02:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there was nothing happening on the\Nnet really except for the crazy boring
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.28,0:02:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shit and we all thought it was so cool. It\Nwas just really nerdy but nothing else.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.35,0:02:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously I started working in net-art, in\N1995 about. And that was a really great
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.92,0:02:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time because nobody cared what you did on\Nthe net, not because there was no audience
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.12,0:02:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a huge audience. But there was\Nno question about, because you know the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.66,0:02:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,net was still not a dot com rearm so it\Nwas fine, you could just do whatever you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.56,0:03:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted to... There's a little footnote\Nthere because we did get, you know, a few
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.02,0:03:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problems but it was nothing major. Also\Nbecause there was no laws in place it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.19,0:03:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really had an effect onto like European\Ncitizen being kinda hassled by the CIA,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.01,0:03:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically local police didn't really want\Nto help out the CIA at the time, so we
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.40,0:03:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were fine at the time. So in the early\N2000s dot com had totally run over the net
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.16,0:03:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is fine obviously but not only and\Nwe had to really get used to lots of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.50,0:03:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people bugging us for doing what we did.\NBut it was just small stuff as you can
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.88,0:03:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see, and especially the lawyers letters.\NThese were always very creative and always
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.06,0:03:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a good basis for a new project I think.\NBut also at the time there were all these
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.77,0:04:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people coming at you for doing projects\Nand its not necessary that you call them
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.43,0:04:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,art projects it could be anything really,\Nthat is not commercial. Were you just go
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.86,0:04:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like why shouldn't I do it. But all these\Nthings that got thrown at you, were always
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.77,0:04:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really valuable pieces of information on\Nhow the system works. And you could work
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.22,0:04:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with that. And you could work your way\Naround it, you sometimes may pay a small
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.68,0:04:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal fine or whatever, but you would be\Nfine. Obviously that was not true for our
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.13,0:04:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vote-Auction project which cost us\Nenormous amounts of money, but it was
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.49,0:04:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worth it. So in about 2006 to 2008 I kind\Nof noticed, I started doing a project back
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.46,0:04:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then which was called super-enhanced and I\Nvery much noticed that I was paying more
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.92,0:04:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more attention to laws that were in\Nplace, not that I was thinking that if I
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.70,0:05:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do this project now I would get into\Ntrouble a, b, c and d but it was in the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.90,0:05:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back of my head. Which is not really\Nhelping when you're trying to freely
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.36,0:05:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create a new project or a thinking space,\Nyou know? As it is now I feel that all
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.72,0:05:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these anti-terror-laws totally make us\Ncome into this kind of cluster where we
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.89,0:05:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start self-censoring ourselves. Most of\Nall, you see that when you're on Facebook.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.59,0:05:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And don't tell me you're not on Facebook,\Nobviously it's a bullshit platform but
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.38,0:05:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still its really interesting. The same is\Ntrue for twitter. I mean how many times
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.72,0:05:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will you say fuck on either of them.\NYou're not going to post that one picture
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.18,0:05:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that naked butt or the bare-breasted\Nlady or whatever, because you're like "ok
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.29,0:05:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been using this account for a\Nreally long time, I don't want to get
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.75,0:06:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turned off now, because I'm using imagery\Nnow that might be not legal in the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.82,0:06:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook kind of sense". But this self\Ncensorship is going on in your head. And
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.40,0:06:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it happens online. But as long as it\Nhappens online it would be kind of fine,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.00,0:06:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's just Facebook. But this\Ncreeps into offline life as well. I'm very
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.73,0:06:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure and I have noticed that with lots of\Npeople that the conversations you will
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.81,0:06:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have in real life will mirror the ones you\Nhave online. Because you're getting used
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.75,0:06:32.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this kind of speak, this Facebook speak\Nor twitter speak. And it just censors out
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.100,0:06:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of stuff. Our strategies in working\Nare mostly like affirmative. We're not the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.100,0:06:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones that use critical approaches, because\Nmost of the time that's very boring. But
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.80,0:06:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we rather use affirmative techniques and\Nthe other one, but then we figured we need
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.08,0:06:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come up with a new strategy. And that's\Nwhen we started to do secret projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.22,0:07:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was just getting really sick of\Nhaving this thought in my head all the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.42,0:07:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time of self-censorship and whatever. So\Nwe just started developing projects
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.83,0:07:12.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymously. But we can't publish them\Nunder our own name which is kind of a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.41,0:07:19.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's the way it is. That's enough\Nfor a little theory in the beginning and I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.57,0:07:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to show you a little video of a\Nproject that we did a few years ago and we
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.97,0:07:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did this project because this is like one\Nmore thing i think it is really important.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.44,0:07:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is new speak, we all hear it all the\Ntime. Like yesterday I read something on
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.12,0:07:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the news, it talked about a dark figure of\Nbadgers in the forest. I figured, how can
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.96,0:07:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there be a dark figure of badgers in the\Nforest? Are these illegal badgers? Are
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.39,0:07:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these criminal badgers now? And what I\Nheard also a few years ago, it was
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.75,0:07:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russian... deep sea... spider crabs that\Nwere moving into Finnish you know sea
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.32,0:08:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space? And I figured you know, what they\Ndon't have any identity on them or what...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.46,0:08:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the problem? you know this, but\Nthis new speak i mean obviously that's a
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.03,0:08:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot true for you know all the enemy\Ncombatant bullshit and so on. But this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.54,0:08:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newspeak, it's really interesting if you\Nlisten to it and it's a real problem if
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.40,0:08:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just go along with it because it\Nalters your speech it alters your mind. So
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.80,0:08:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we did this project on oil and it's all\Nabout this. I hope this is not too loud.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.38,0:10:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}music starts: Seven Nation Army by The\NWhite Stripes{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0} Where's my
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.81,0:10:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presentation? This video was based on a\Nmarketing campaign by Diesel, it was
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.20,0:10:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called "Be Stupid". {\i1}laughs{\i0} I don't want\Nto add to that, but I'm sure some of you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.36,0:10:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people in here have bought a Diesel\Nproduct. So be proud of yourself you are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.87,0:10:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially stupid. I was asked to also\Npresent you know some projects that some
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.10,0:10:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of you might like really know but some of\Nthem might not to give you more of a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.73,0:10:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,context of our work. So I'm going to\Npresent Vote Auction. Vote Auction was a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.11,0:10:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project we did in 2000 and we usually\Nproduce seals for our projects, not logos
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.28,0:11:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're surely not dot com. If we're\Nanything we're an authority, so we need a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.33,0:11:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seal, right? That gives you authority.\NAnd, wait I need that. So it was in 2000,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.34,0:11:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was a platform for buying and selling\Nyou know votes for the presidential
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.97,0:11:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,election in 2000. Gore, yeah Gore against\NBush. You know the one that Bush didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.51,0:11:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,win but took home anyways. You're laughing\Nit's sad isn't it, but then maybe I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.11,0:11:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much good came out of it, so we should\Nbe happy. It'd be a lot colder probably if
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.50,0:11:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gore had one, right? He's all into the\Nclimate shit and so on. So that was the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.01,0:11:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website, we originally got it from this\NAmerican called James Baumgartner who was
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.26,0:11:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an art student in the states, and he\Nstarted doing this as a thesis project.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.41,0:12:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he got you know contacted by the FBI\Nand such pretty early on and he didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.90,0:12:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to pursue the idea any more. And Art\NMark who is now Yesman by now and sucks
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.44,0:12:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real bad now but was really good then um\Nbrought him over to us and we took over
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.69,0:12:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and made it a bit bigger I guess. And yeah\Nwell basically you could just you know
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.52,0:12:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sign up as a voter and just put your vote\Non sale and as one would be interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.13,0:12:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,buying a vote you'd only be able to buy\Nthe votes from a you know from a whole
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.61,0:12:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state to make it more easy. And the prices\Nof votes in different states varied a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.01,0:12:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously, we had enormous amounts of\Nsubscribers. I don't know precisely
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.35,0:12:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we had a randomizing engine in the\Nback obviously. And um we got into serious
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.59,0:12:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trouble obviously with this project with\Nany kind of governmental agency. Any OGA
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.15,0:13:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the states. And always made special\Nlittle websites for them with, you know
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.91,0:13:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just IP filtering and they get their own\Nwebsites and {\i1}laughter{\i0} I remember also
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.83,0:13:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Germans were in there as well, I\Nremember Karlsruhe always contacted us on
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.33,0:13:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean the server on a Wednesday at about\N11. And always searched through the same
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.31,0:13:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pages and it was really easy then I just,\Nyou could just give them something they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.52,0:13:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really liked as a website and that's just\Nsome DOS software that would download in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.16,0:13:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the background. And you know stuff like\Nthat that really worked fine. I'm gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.26,0:13:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show you a little video again, because we\Ngot like this feature on CNN for the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.41,0:13:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project, this is really bad quality\Nbecause it's from TV. I'm so sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.87,0:13:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}TV intro music{\i0}\NTV presenter: In just two weeks the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.52,0:14:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,citizens of the United States will elect\Ntheir next commander-in-chief. But could
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.93,0:14:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that decision be rerouted over the\Ninternet? A website engineered halfway
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.81,0:14:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world is offering to literally\Nbuy your vote! Today on Burden of Proof:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.58,0:14:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bidding for ballots. Democracy on the\Nblock.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.66,0:14:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,announcer: This is Burden of Proof.\Nlizvlx: Just need to interrupt here a few
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.54,0:14:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times. So this was on prime time US CNN.\NThis was right in the midst of the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.86,0:14:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elections and we were really lucky that we\Ngot so much news coverage. This was not
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.84,0:14:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are so awesome and doing\Nprojects, this was because we just touched
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.55,0:14:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a topic that lots of journalists really\Nwanted to talk about, but they didn't have
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.46,0:14:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a specific issue. But if you present them\Nwith a specific issue they have something
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.06,0:14:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about. So they did. We got about\Nlike I don't know how many people we
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.32,0:14:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reached about like 200 to 400 million\Npeople. This was like really all over the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.99,0:14:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place from, I don't know, you know, they\Neven discussed it in Russia in their
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.23,0:15:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parliament and so on. And we got our you\Nknow service hacked, and yeah Chan and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.78,0:15:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reno who was then you know somebody was on\Nour... And we got sued by so many people
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.88,0:15:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for either, you know, false promise,\Nconsumerism laws, or you know election
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.04,0:15:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fraud. I need to point out that obviously\Nit's perfectly legal to sell American
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.92,0:15:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,votes in Europe.\N{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.64,0:15:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is also why vote auction is a big\Ncase in the - for lawyers all over the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.19,0:15:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place. This was one of the first cases\Nwhere people really noticed: Oh internet
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.27,0:15:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and national law is just really bad\Ntogether, just don't mix, you know. And
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.79,0:15:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, they served us court papers onto\Nour Nokia communicators. Like faxes, like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.97,0:16:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,30 pages, which obviously doesn't fit on a\Ncommunicator. Or on the phone, you know. I
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.26,0:16:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to serve this to you which is an- it\Nwas ridiculous. But still, I mean they
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.30,0:16:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couldn't shut us down because we just had,\Nwe obviously we were aware that if we kept
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.13,0:16:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on doing this project we would get you\Nknow, people and authority would be
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.98,0:16:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting more and more interested in us. So\Nwe had just this you know- we bought new
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.75,0:16:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,domains because it turned up the one\Ndomain, so we put in the new domain which
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.79,0:16:31.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gives you a new news story. So that was\Nfine, in the end we were running on an IP
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.59,0:16:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,address but it was all out there so it was\Nfine because we had the CNN coverage so
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.95,0:16:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no problem. So we had no terror\Nlaws at the time so we were no terrorists,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.26,0:16:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're just doing voter fraud, right? So\Nthis is, I mean we're obviously not doing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.02,0:16:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it because we're just providing a\Nplatform, I'm not responsible for any
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.51,0:16:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,user. That's what dot coms is. You know\Nand you got to bring democracy and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.30,0:17:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capitalism closer together, that's what we\Nwere saying. Yeah wait, there I just see
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.58,0:17:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where is, where's where is he... he yeah\Nthat's him. That was one of our first
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.25,0:17:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers. TV presenter: Which along with\Nvoteauction.com was named as a defendant
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.97,0:17:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a lawsuit in Chicago. In Los Angeles\Nwe're joined by internet law professor
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.03,0:17:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stuart Beagle TV presenter 2: And in\NSacramento, California we're joined by...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.96,0:17:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: He is an asshole.\NTV presenter 2: William Woods, chief
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.96,0:17:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,counsel to the California secretary of\Nstate, where I'm from. And here in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.64,0:17:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington, Melissa Stratton,\Nconstitutional law expert.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.17,0:17:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: That's my favorite picture. I mean\Nlook at that, I mean for me that project
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.03,0:17:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also a very complicated way to produce\Nlike a video art. You do this whole
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.22,0:17:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project and then it gets filmed by CNN,\Nright? {\i1}laughter and applause{\i0} If you want
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.79,0:18:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see more of the video, pretty much all\Nthe videos are available on vimeo. If you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.03,0:18:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go, you know look for the ubermorgen\Nchannel. So because they'll go on for way
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.12,0:18:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too long because it's 45 minutes and we\Ndon't have that much time. Do dee do de
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.85,0:18:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doo, more screenshots of the guys. Yeah\Nthat's the lawsuits. {\i1}laughter{\i0} It's a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.54,0:18:39.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper- I started doing paper sculptures\Nthen at the time because what are you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.78,0:18:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to do with it, right? And um,\Nit's very expensive you know. This is from
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.82,0:18:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a show we just did at carol fletcher\Ngallery in you know London. You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.47,0:18:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oxford Circus, high scale, good shit. But\Nobviously it's not so much fun at the time
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.38,0:19:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes. But because I come from a\Nlawyer's family I cannot be bothered
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.25,0:19:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really. {\i1}laughter{\i0}\NNow on to something completely different.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.40,0:19:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is EKMRZ trilogy, it obviously means\Ne-commerce. I don't like vowels
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.55,0:19:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparently. And these are three projects.\NIt's called Google Will Eat Itself, Amazon
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.63,0:19:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Noir, and The Sound of Ebay. Google Will\NEat Itself, maybe some of you know. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.01,0:19:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the seal again. Google release itself is\Njust a very easy scheme for, I don't know
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.93,0:19:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a problematic network maybe. It's just,\Nit's all about, we just bought into we
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.21,0:19:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just participated in the google ads\Nprogram and made money with that, and with
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.79,0:19:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the money we made we bought Google shares.\NHence Google Will Eat Itself, right? And
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.38,0:19:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't do it on a huge big scale,\Nbecause we were not so interested in that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.76,0:20:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any more after doing stuff like vote\Nauction. So we just did this more as a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.06,0:20:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceptual piece. I think at the scale\Nthat we did it in uh it would have taken
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.49,0:20:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us like something like 300 million years\Nto buy the whole of Google. But then it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.11,0:20:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets, maybe it'll get like real cheap in\Nthe meantime. So who knows, yeah? For this
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.00,0:20:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project also still no terror laws, then\Nthat it wouldn't really be covered by that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.96,0:20:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyways. But of course nasty letters from\NGoogle, and we got you know blocked on
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.56,0:20:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google which is great, you know? I once\Ngot disqualified from a conference, that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.79,0:20:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was awesome. And then you know that one I\Nreally like. But if you get a lawyer from
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.51,0:20:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google, a lawyer's letter from Google\Nthat's fine because we all know you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.90,0:20:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk to google, right? There's no phone\Nnumber, you know? You can have, you can
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.59,0:20:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know someone who works at google. But\Nofficially you can't talk to them. So
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.63,0:21:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's nothing they can do to you really\Nbecause they can only send letters, but
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.46,0:21:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not react again because they don't want to\Nbe bothered. So that's fine, so you can
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.39,0:21:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just make a new story out of it. But we\Nclosed the project. We made about I think
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.18,0:21:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like 400˙000€ and it's still sitting\Nthere. It's in a kind of a fun thing and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.49,0:21:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's Google to the people. But it's not\Ndoing anything, because money shouldn't be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.47,0:21:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing anything. The next one was Amazon\NNoir which was basically just using the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.13,0:21:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look inside the book function of Amazon to\Ndownload the whole books. Just search for
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.12,0:21:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of terms and then recombine the book.\NThey look quite measly afterwards but it's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.90,0:21:48.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all about the content, who cares? And that\Nproject got kind of interpreted as if we
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.62,0:21:55.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were focusing on free books and all that\Nand information for all and we're not
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.99,0:22:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in, we're not activists. I'm\Nmaybe an actionist but I'm not an
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.10,0:22:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activist. So I don't have a political\Nagenda. I don't say that this is good or
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.75,0:22:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is bad. I just might find some things\Ninteresting. And so we sold the software
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.14,0:22:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Amazon because they didn't like it\Nobviously. So we sold this software to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.93,0:22:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon in the end and made some money with\Nthat. {\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.79,0:22:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And last one of that trilogy is called The\NSound of Ebay, and I just really wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.55,0:22:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do a project with teletext imagery because\Nteletext is just so great. And my mom
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.48,0:22:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still uses it and. But then my mom used to\Nbe a programmer so that's, I guess that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.59,0:22:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explains it. So basically it just, this is\Na lyrical project. It makes the music with
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.20,0:22:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your user data. And I'm not gonna play the\Nmusic, but I'm gonna show the images
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.51,0:22:59.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because i love them so much. I mean it's\Njust the best parts of teletext obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.45,0:23:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got there's like this, there's one\Nperson who won't talk to me anymore after
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.89,0:23:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've done that because she thinks it's\Nporn. {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.69,0:23:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really pixels I mean come on. If you\Nsee porn in this shit you're sick. I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.32,0:23:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seriously.\N{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.62,0:23:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna jump through that because\Nthere's not enough time I think. Oh maybe,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.79,0:23:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no we got... There's another set of\Nprojects I... we did. This is actually the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.45,0:23:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones I like doing most because this is\Nwhere I get to do some coding. I love
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.14,0:23:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing coding in Perl and I will never code\Nin anything else I think. And we don't
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.29,0:24:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need that ruby shit. And basically this is\Nalso yeah this is the... from IP-NIC. We
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.54,0:24:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learned, with vote auction we learned how\Nimportant the seal is, right? Because we
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.29,0:24:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got all these legal letters with lots of\Nseals right? Texas, Internet Attorney, and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.91,0:24:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shit like that. And so we got our own seal\Nwith the Internet Partnership for No
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.44,0:24:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet Content. Also sometimes we will\Nget asked by you know, different...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.14,0:24:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entities, companies and whatever like you\Nknow you do fake banners and shit like
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.28,0:24:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that and I wanna. They want you to take it\Noffline and usually when you talk to big
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.69,0:24:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and you want them to do\Nsomething they tell you: Um I'm not sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.77,0:24:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not the right person to talk to. They\Njust send you to someone else and never
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.64,0:24:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get solved. So we just mirrored that. And\Nso whenever someone asks us to take some
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.58,0:24:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information off our servers, I say you\Nknow, you need to speak to a different
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.17,0:24:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,department. And because that's real\Ncomplicated I made this form. And it's the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.67,0:25:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,universal content and/or domain removal\Nform. It's very complicated, this was not
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.47,0:25:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it was in the beginning. And it was\Nyou know it's like when you transfer a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.15,0:25:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,domain. It's hard, right? You need to sign\Nall that and fax it and not with all of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.00,0:25:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them, but some of them. And you just need\Nto put lots of bureaucratic barriers in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.75,0:25:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there, right? You still got to think you\Nreally want to get the shit solved, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.77,0:25:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do. But there's just so much paperwork\Nthat you got to fill out. Not you but the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.96,0:25:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other people who want to get the stuff\Noffline. And all the departments... The
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.47,0:25:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shit never gets solved. And then I coded\Nit and basically it just works like that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.28,0:25:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can just put in any domain and it just\Ncreates a legal document and that you it's
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.27,0:25:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fine you know we have so many the wording\Nis just fine. And like a preliminary, you
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.33,0:25:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know injunction or whatever and then you\Njust send it out. We didn't automize it,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.25,0:25:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we didn't want to be the ones to\Nblame in the end again. We figured the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.74,0:26:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,user can send it out by themselves, you\Nknow? We're not going to be the clowns,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.20,0:26:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah? And take on your own responsibility,\Nright? And you just send it out, and if
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.48,0:26:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a legal document where it says\Nyou know this domain I don't know i'm so
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.38,0:26:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cool dot com is supposed to be taken\Noffline, because they're engaging in child
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.74,0:26:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pornography. I guess lots of providers\Nwill take it offline, in the beginning not
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.96,0:26:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do anything wrong. So this worked\Nreally well and it's... again I think it's
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.65,0:26:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important to use stuff that comes back to\Nyou. In form of legal papers in this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.25,0:26:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,context, to make something else out of it.\NAnd also it just cuts out the middleman
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.56,0:26:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again. You don't need a lawyer, you don't\Nneed a court, you just need your own court
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.22,0:26:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,papers and that's fine. The next one I did\Nwas the Bank Statement Generator. It's a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.38,0:26:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weird account statement, and it's a\Ngenerator that works like that, you just
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.35,0:27:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enter a starting figure and you pretty\Nmuch and you enter some other shit and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.49,0:27:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your name and blah and so on. And then you\Nenter how you want to feel when you get
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.30,0:27:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the statement. You know, pretty much\Neveryone has the same deductions right?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.02,0:27:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You go to H&M and you do some Amazon and\Nso on. And yeah I don't think you can ever
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.83,0:27:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really get high numbers but you know you\Njust from suicidal to total mania that's
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.34,0:27:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you can kind of decide for yourself,\Nhow you want to feel. I got that because
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.14,0:27:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were really broke at the time and I\Nremember I was sitting at home I got open
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.26,0:27:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,letters and one letter from the bank and\Nit said like oh you're in debt. And I felt
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.69,0:27:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really bad. And then I figured why am I\Nfeeling bad because of ink on paper? This
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.16,0:27:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really crazy, and it's um it's so this\Nis always what I say: This is just pixels
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.99,0:28:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on screen and the other one's just ink on\Npaper. Especially because we're not
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.00,0:28:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about personal letters, we're\Ntalking about letters, they get sent out
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.54,0:28:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by servers that are signed by people. You\Ncan't talk to a person about them. So
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.14,0:28:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're not a letter, that's not what\Nconstitutes a letter. This is fucking
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.60,0:28:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newspeak. So if you react to anything that\Ngets sent to you by a server with an
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.40,0:28:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emotional reaction, something's wrong with\Nyou, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.48,0:28:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NSo this is, I put this in here because my
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.87,0:28:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,daughter really really loves it. It's\NClickistan. Clickistan, I put it also, put
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.67,0:28:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it in there because we developed this\Nproject for the Whitney Museum of American
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.51,0:28:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Art. And it was a bit of a hassle, it's\NClickistan so it's like a Javascript click
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.80,0:29:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,game. And I just used lots of stuff that I\Nalready had and you know Javascripted it
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.14,0:29:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around, it's all weird and stuff. But we\Ncouldn't release it right away because
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.31,0:29:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were concerned about the wording. And\Nthey were concerned about the words. I
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.64,0:29:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couldn't use the words muslim,\Nfundamentalist, and terror. And I had not,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.99,0:29:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had not put them in any special you know\Ncontext, these words. Like, there was this
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.76,0:29:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one screen where it said are you allergic\Nvegan muslim or i don't know whatever. And
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.00,0:29:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just, and it's clearly not a political\Nproject but there was no way they would
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.61,0:29:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,release the project with these words in\Nit. So I figured okay I don't... I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.62,0:29:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really bad with getting censored, so\Nthat's not cool. So I proposed to them, if
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.61,0:29:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it were okay with them if we just took\Nthese words out and instead put in the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.28,0:29:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,word you know variations of the word\Ncensor. And they were like oh that's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.01,0:30:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\NI thought "no not really, but I'll go
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.37,0:30:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ahead." So that's yeah it was fucking\Ncrazy. I'll show you the video, it's an
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.13,0:30:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,online game but you're not gonna play it\Nnow. But you can watch the video.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.14,0:32:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}repeated mouse clicks{\i0}\N{\i1}chiptune music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.79,0:33:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NOkay. Well this is like a small project we
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.01,0:33:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did, I don't know it feels like at least\N10 years ago. And this is what we call a
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.59,0:33:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,web painting. Basically, I mean you can\Nread a bit for yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.59,0:34:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}\NWe just took the text and pretty much
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.89,0:34:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything else from a website called Iris\Nscan obviously. And just, just exchanged
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.62,0:34:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the words, to make the content and the\Nmessage a bit more clear I guess. We have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.47,0:34:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not used this in a performative way yet,\Nbut if we could ever find a pardon to do
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.01,0:34:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would gladly set it up on, you know\NI don't know, a conference you know? An
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.24,0:34:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,airport? And just see you know if people\Nare gonna participate. You know it's just
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.93,0:34:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small moment. You can go to your own\Nprivate room if you want to. By the way
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.95,0:34:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what you call uh affirmative\Napproach, right? Versus critical... And
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.06,0:35:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alanohof, the alano ranch. That's... this\Nis this really small project we did a few
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.49,0:35:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago. It's just a regular fake site,\Nright? And it's about this fake farm into
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.32,0:35:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,role that produces organic meat from these\Nhounds. It's all very well and we just
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.20,0:35:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced it for this small you know\Ncultural association, a club in Tirol. And
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.73,0:35:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she said can you do something that will\Nyou know give us our you know a title page
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.92,0:35:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our you know tyrolean newspaper? And I\Nmean that's, it's easy it's fun. But it's
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.36,0:35:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really just a fun project, right? We got\Ninto so much trouble because of this
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.14,0:35:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.97,0:35:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have you know like we had five\Ndifferent times and you were there right
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.53,0:36:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had police standing in front of our\Ndoors at home right? It's like Sunday
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.97,0:36:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evening, it's Sunday evening I'm by myself\Nbecause my partner just went to Sofia for
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.32,0:36:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever he always does there. And you\Nknow, knock on the door and it's these two
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.25,0:36:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,police guys they're like oh {\i1}mumbles{\i0} I\Nlike look at them, go like you're not here
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.02,0:36:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Alano, are you? And they're like:\Nyeah. And I'm like, what the hell? You
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.99,0:36:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know it's been like, four years since we\Ndid the project and they're still coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.43,0:36:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know it's because of the dogs you\Nknow don't do anything. It's not a cat,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.35,0:36:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know? We know don't... {\i1}laughter and\Napplause{\i0} I don't understand that, don't
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.94,0:36:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say anything mean about cats on the\Ninternet, yeah. {\i1}laughter{\i0} We all bow our
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.44,0:36:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heads to the gods, right? But now\Nbasically it was also a newspaper that got
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.88,0:37:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind it and there was some you know dog\Nhating forum that totally loved the site.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.60,0:37:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean seriously, I mean they made\Npolice people drive to the About address
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.59,0:37:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we put on the on the website. And drive\Nthere and there was like this local police
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.05,0:37:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guy who knew up front that there was no\Nfarm there. And we read all the card
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.51,0:37:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,papers and so on it says like oh i went\Nthere and there's no farm and no one
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.37,0:37:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around knows it. We had... but the thing\Nwas we had to pay money for that because
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.21,0:37:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no imprint on the website in the\Nbeginning. And this is actually you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.53,0:37:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know... this was not a problem early on\Nbecause basically this means I mean this
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.82,0:37:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a, it's a fake site, you know? If\Npolice contact you and you're like no
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.78,0:37:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're artists, this is a fake side they're\Nlike fine. And the first two police people
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.98,0:37:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that contacted us, they were also okay\Nthat's fine yeah. Actually it's
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.23,0:37:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting kind of a book and so on. But\Nyou know laws change over time. And now,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.01,0:38:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know they really made us put an\Nimprint in there, otherwise you know we
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.37,0:38:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have you know paid as much as\N20˙000€. And they were like if you put the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.54,0:38:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imprint in now, you only pay like 200. And\Nwe're like we're not paying 20˙000€ for a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.90,0:38:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freaking dog, obviously not. For you know\Nwe paid more than 20˙000€ for you know
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.04,0:38:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing the whole vote auction bullshit, but\Nnot for a dog, you know? So that's all you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.93,0:38:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, judicial stuff you know? See? It's a\Nyeah "Tötung von gesunden Hunden", killing
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.43,0:38:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know healthy dogs. We should have put\Nup that we're only killing sick dogs.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.26,0:38:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0} Mea culpa, yeah. So now on to\Nsomething a lot more serious. This is a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.56,0:38:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project that's very close to my heart.\NIt's called Superenhanced. And started
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.22,0:38:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing this in about 2006 to 2008. And\Nactually I want to, this is important for
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.97,0:38:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me for various reasons. Also because of\Nthe talk that's going on right now
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.23,0:39:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously all the time. We're all being\Nlistened to and so on and I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.86,0:39:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand how anyone could not have known\Nthat. I seriously don't. Because we all
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.05,0:39:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know that anything that's technically\Npossible will be done. We know that from
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.97,0:39:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ourselves, even if it's only very often\Nonly very little because we're technical
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.39,0:39:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incapable, yeah? But there was something\Nelse on the agenda and that was you know
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.74,0:39:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the issues of enhanced interrogation,\NTorture Taxis, super max prisons in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.58,0:39:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,states. And I personally don't really\Nunderstand, I mean I do understand, but I
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.50,0:39:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still don't understand why there's this\Nhuge uproar now about you know the NSA
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.72,0:39:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bullshit, but there was never any of that\Nbig upper already really got to people
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.92,0:39:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being imprisoned. And this is also you\Nknow, this is where real terror laws
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.70,0:40:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started happening, right? And this is and,\Nno nothing. I didn't hear anything and we
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.89,0:40:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did this project. And one part of the\Nproject is a this is just image material
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.28,0:40:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from our research. I did like half a year\Nof research on this project. And then I
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.92,0:40:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,programmed the Superenhanced generator\Ntogether with a friend of mine. And it's
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.05,0:40:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically an interrogation software.\NBecause it's always the problem in
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.79,0:40:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interrogations who's to fucking blame if\Nanything goes wrong? So we did a software,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.79,0:40:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the software is to blame, right? So you\Ncan only follow your orders, and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.22,0:40:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything it's fine. So basically it just\Nruns you through and if you don't answer
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.93,0:40:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,properly you get into trouble. So that's\Nnot fun, I know, I'm so sorry. We used
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.77,0:41:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this in a few performances, in Palestine I\Nthink. Yeah that's right we went to Israel
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.22,0:41:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and went to Palestine and I really gotta\Nsay the one, the performance in Israel
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.28,0:41:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't work out. Because the people we got\Nas volunteers, they just totally fucking
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.19,0:41:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chickened out. I mean it was really just\Nlike you know, what do you do in the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.36,0:41:26.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beginning? Like you throw a bit of water\Ninto people's faces or whatever? As an
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.49,0:41:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enhancement rate and they're just\Nchickened out. Versus the people in
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.57,0:41:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ramallah they were fine because they were\Nall really experienced. {\i1}laughter{\i0} No
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.74,0:41:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seriously there was a hundred percent of\Nall the people that were you know there
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.21,0:41:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our talk had experience in being\Ndetained. I mean really detained, not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.70,0:41:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just, you know? And about 50% had been\Nmore than once. So this is the system
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.38,0:42:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,graph of the generator. And more images,\Nsorry to spoil your party. And, wait...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.14,0:42:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're looking for a specific image. Oh\Nthat's, if you want to read a good book
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.62,0:42:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is really close to my heart now. Read\Nthis book by Murad Kurnaz. Just read it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.24,0:42:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might not be a nice christmas present\Nbut use it for easter time somebody got
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.31,0:42:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nailed on a cross there. so that's fine\N{\i1}applause{\i0} We worked together with this
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.46,0:42:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guy, Chris Arendt who was a guard in\NGuantanamo. And he lived with us for two
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.35,0:42:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,months. You know, so we could do more\Nresearch and talk and block. Get the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.76,0:42:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hands-on approach, that's what we like.\NAnd he's kind of okay now. He was in a
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.95,0:42:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really bad state then. But I don't feel\Nbad for him because I feel bad for the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.73,0:43:00.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,victim not for the perpetrator. I'm sorry\NChris, he knows that. That's a set of
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.33,0:43:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photographs we did with our kids. People\Nfind it offensive. Billy always laughs
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.05,0:43:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it, right? Stop laughing Billy.\NThat's her little sister Lola. That's, we
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.02,0:43:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't need that. That's a grown-up person.\NAnd that's a funny thing too. I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.23,0:43:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these pictures I found on the back up of\Nmy iPhone and I had never seen those
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.31,0:43:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictures before. I had not, I mean I know\Nmy research, I had not seen those pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.07,0:43:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before. And when I had to you know sift\Nthrough my backup I found all these
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.00,0:43:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictures of Guantanamo courtrooms. I found\Nthat really strange, but it was very you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.79,0:43:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know helpful. So this is, there's more to\Nshow obviously, but there's not so much
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.43,0:44:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. There's just like one thing I want\Nto say before we kind of end this and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.06,0:44:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's: If we always talk about these issues\Nnow of privacy and so on, please bear in
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.75,0:44:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mind that this is a first world problem.\NThe southern hemisphere does not suffer
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.06,0:44:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from you know being spied on all the time.\NThey suffer from not getting any fucking
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.54,0:44:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attention. So just bear that in mind, that\Nit's kind of a luxury problem that needs
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.62,0:44:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be discussed obviously. Second forget\Ncrypto because crypto is elitist. I'm not
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.64,0:44:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying don't do it at all obviously, it's\Nsomething that yorman(?) has to pursue.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.48,0:44:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you try to find a solution for the\Nsituation now it's not going to be crypto
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.99,0:44:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because nobody can fucking use it.\N{\i1}inaudible interjection{\i0} Okay? And then,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.50,0:45:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all these engineers of the internet,\Nall the sysadmins with so much power and
Dialogue: 0,0:45:00.86,0:45:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of, you know, intelligence very\Noften, lots of brain, but so little
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.99,0:45:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education. So you know, so little amount\Nof books have you ever read. So little
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.89,0:45:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge and so much responsibility.\NPlease, read a book. Read a motherfucking
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.52,0:45:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,book. I just {\i1}applause{\i0} Maybe not the\N"Allgemeinbildung for dummies" that I just
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.81,0:45:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw on the train last week, but something\Nlike that, okay? We need to close now, I
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.95,0:45:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean we were running a bit late with\Nstarting it, but how much more time do we
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.00,0:45:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have? Yeah so um I'd rather stop now and\Nwe have time for some Q&A, what do you
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.92,0:45:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think about that? I'm not going to run a\Nvote on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.83,0:46:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay for any question there is...\Njust cue on the microphones in the room.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:05.22,0:46:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Hi...?\Nlizvlx: Hi!
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.91,0:46:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Okay hi, you seem to like confrontation\Nso mine is what's your point?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.48,0:46:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\Nlizvlx: You just asked me again, do you
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.83,0:46:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that's funny? That's the same\Nquestion again. There's no point in a
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.04,0:46:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confrontation. I'm not the confrontation\Nthe fucking terror law is the
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.99,0:46:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confrontation. I'm just mirroring that\Nshit. If you got a problem with that, then
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.74,0:46:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're not doing anything. And you don't\Nneed to do anything i'm not telling you
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.95,0:46:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what to do what, not at all you know. I'm\Njust doing the stuff that I think makes my
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.63,0:46:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life more enjoyable.\NHerald: Number two.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.28,0:47:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Hi, I wasn't going to say anything but\Nthe last few words provoked me. On behalf
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.09,0:47:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people that I know who don't live in\Nthe first world, surveillance is a
Dialogue: 0,0:47:11.09,0:47:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem. And if you think that it isn't,\Nyou're wrong. {\i1}sporadic clapping{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.56,0:47:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Well I spend lots of time in\NAfrica and Near East. Most of all in
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.22,0:47:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Africa. And I know surveillance is not an\Nissue in a slum. It's just not, because
Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.39,0:47:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody even knows that you're alive. So\Nyou cannot be surveilled. No, they really
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.61,0:47:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have issues of visibility. And I know\Nintellectually, of course. And so on, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.77,0:47:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know where you're coming from. But\Nstill, I mean. I don't know how many times
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.11,0:47:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're in Africa, but last time I checked,\Nnot really, no I.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.24,0:47:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I don't work in Africa, I work in the\NAmericas, but um I think it's a good point
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.10,0:48:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a discussion but i don't think that\Nit's helpful to state to make a broad
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.36,0:48:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement like that in this kind of\Nenvironment where you have this stage. And
Dialogue: 0,0:48:07.74,0:48:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we certainly would really like to talk to\Nyou more about that. Because it's not good
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.06,0:48:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say. It's not like internet\Nsurveillance is not necessarily a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.71,0:48:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But surveillance is a problem. On the\Nstreet, surveillance is a problem, having
Dialogue: 0,0:48:21.56,0:48:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people outside of your house watching you\N24 hours a day is a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.23,0:48:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: No we don't want to, that's not\Nwhat I mean, obviously. Surveillance it's
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.29,0:48:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a problem it's just ugly bullshit that\Nno one needs. It's just idiotic, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.00,0:48:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just makes sense and it no obviously.\NBut there is no street surveillance in
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.13,0:48:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of Africa, you know? So it's not it's\Na different world there and I just want
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.33,0:48:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you...\NQ: Well not the first world is bigger than
Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.56,0:48:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Africa as well, you said the southern\Nhemisphere...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.18,0:48:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Well we yeah we I get to a point,\Nbut I was making a different point.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.62,0:48:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Okay.\NHerald: Back to one.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.60,0:48:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Hello? You talked about uh self-\Ncensorship.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.60,0:49:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Yeah.\NQ: Is there a connection to pure
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.25,0:49:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reflection, and... between self-censorship\Nand reflection so what is reflection to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.12,0:49:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you, and what is self-censorship?\Nlizvlx: Well, especially when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.67,0:49:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook you know, right when you type in\Nyour message it already gets recorded.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.38,0:49:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if you delete it, right? So that's\Nright the case of you're just self-
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.97,0:49:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reflecting. But they get it then you self-\Ncensor yourself and then still... So it's
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.37,0:49:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it gets all very fuzzy I think.\NAnd I think the fuzziness is kind of an
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.72,0:49:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue right there. Because if you just\Ncensor yourself because you don't want to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:38.24,0:49:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say that that's fine. But if you don't\Nwant to say it because of some other
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.14,0:49:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implications that will happen that are\Nfucking crazy, then you have a real issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.57,0:49:50.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think.\NQ: Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.57,0:49:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: welcome\NHerald: Three now.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.65,0:49:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Yeah um\Nlizvlx: hi:
Dialogue: 0,0:49:57.69,0:50:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I see art as being something on the\Nfringe and I think that's what you're
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.16,0:50:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing. But I'm interested in what you,\Nwhat you think will happen when this will
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.13,0:50:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get internalized. I think you see my\Npoint. So you know, art is always
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.86,0:50:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like exploratory, something kind\Nof out there. And eventually it becomes
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.68,0:50:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainstream. I mean it takes time, but it\Nwill become mainstream. So what do you
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.04,0:50:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think will happen when this becomes\Nmainstream?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.33,0:50:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Well I only know, I mean, I see\Nlots of our work in the context of
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.44,0:50:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Viennese Actionism and you know that was\Nin the 60s when it just smeared each other
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.15,0:50:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up with you know any kind of body fluids\Nand so on. And that's still not really
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.21,0:50:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainstream in a way. So I can't go back to\Nany historical parallel really.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.48,0:50:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I don't think there's any historical\Nparallel. I think this is always new.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.26,0:50:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: But I guess it just in a way it\Nbecomes more mainstream because it gets
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.75,0:50:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,old, you know? It's like an old computer\Nwith the old website, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.88,0:50:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: So it never really gets internalized in\Na certain sense?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.24,0:50:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: It might not, which I really like,\Nyeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.87,0:51:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Weird stuff, thanks.\Nlizvlx: Yeah, you're welcome. good
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.12,0:51:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question!\NHerald: There is time for one last
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.12,0:51:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question, which is to the guy in the\Nmicrophone one.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:08.20,0:51:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Hi I have a follow-up.\Nlizvlx: hey
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.39,0:51:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: The first thing is concerning the\Nsurveillance in the first world. I mean if
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.07,0:51:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're in Africa often too, or often. I\Nmean how many people there have mobile
Dialogue: 0,0:51:22.88,0:51:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phones and will have in the next years and\Nwhat will they do with it. That's actually
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.70,0:51:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my question and i think that's why i don't\Nthink this first world third world thing i
Dialogue: 0,0:51:34.24,0:51:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't think that works at all. Because our\Naim is to make one world, and in this one
Dialogue: 0,0:51:38.42,0:51:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world we all will have this problem. And\Nthe second question is how does like
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.75,0:51:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animal rights law abuse how does that\Nsomehow refer to anti-terrorist laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.27,0:51:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Well okay first question. Lots of\Npeople have phones in Africa. Extremely,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:58.61,0:52:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an enormous amount. Because they use it\Nfor payment. They don't use it for
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.61,0:52:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet surfing. Because that's not\Npossible. So it's a totally different
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.99,0:52:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usage. So surveillance comes in from a\Ntotally different aspect. So you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.90,0:52:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make these people profiles out of their\Nbehavior. It's just a really different
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.71,0:52:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world. If you want to make it one world\Nthat's great, but it's not there yet. So
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.79,0:52:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't make sense I think to impose\Nour first world scenarios onto theirs.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:26.51,0:52:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's not the situation yet, you\Nknow? But at least that's also what i get
Dialogue: 0,0:52:30.49,0:52:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from you know talking to people from\NAfrica. That's one thing and the second
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.56,0:52:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one, how does that correlate with\Nantiterrorist? Because it doesn't matter
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.99,0:52:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to them any more. Because if they want to\Ntake your website offline or whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.86,0:52:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're doing they want to stop it, they\Nwill find some kind of aspect in any kind
Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.20,0:52:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of law business, they'll find and then\Nthey'll get at you. And also I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:52:54.08,0:52:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously when it comes to animal rights,\Nyou're quite quickly in a terrorist scheme
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.54,0:53:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's like the anti-organized\Ncrime. There was quite a bunch of
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.74,0:53:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activists incarcerated in Austria because\Nof animal rights activism. So actually
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.00,0:53:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's really close together. What you\Nwouldn't think but it actually is by now.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.21,0:53:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um we have yeah if you can we have a 30\Nseconds question from the Signal guy up
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.41,0:53:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there.\NSignal Angel: That's fine so we had a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:53:25.20,0:53:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of questions on IRC on why did you put\Nyour daughter on stage? {\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:53:32.44,0:53:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lizvlx: Why is my daughter on stage?\NBecause she likes being with me. Yeah it's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.70,0:53:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very easy. It's a family business\Nsituation. I asked her if she wanted to be
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.18,0:53:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the audience or up on stage with me\Nshe's opted for the stage version.