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Paul: And now that I'm in LA, I'm hoping I'll be doing a lot more collabs. 
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Paul: I'm excited for it.

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Hi PaulTalkers! I'm Paul Roth,

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not from DC anymore! Now I'm from Los Angeles!

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haha! [Yolanda laughs] And today I'm joined by my friend,

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Paul: ah, introduce yourself? 
Yolanda: my name is Yolanda and... 
Paul: And your channel?

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Yolanda: And my channel is just my name and I make videos about diversity
focusing on film and tv.

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Paul: And you also have a channel about Chris Pine--
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P talking over Y: I mean Chris Evans [laughs]
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Y: So that's great. Great reminder! It's called
Dear Chris Evans, we make videos to Chris

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Evans, but also about Marvel and about
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P: Yaaaay! And occasionally guest stars, I've seen. 
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on Dear Chris Evans... Tweet at me!
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P: Chris Evans, if you'd like to be on Dear
Chris Evans, please tweet @ Y y o l a n d a a!
Y over P: YES!

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Y: That's the one!

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P: We're going to talk about what certain things me to us
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the, the big one...
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and that was when like you'd have all these like-
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online media is a cool thing. YouTube is,
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Y: So I think YouTube is kinda like this constant for me.
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P: And as I've just discovered from my move
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these faces that you've seen for so long,
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Y: and it's just like this great gathering
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It's wonderful! If you've never been, I'm
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P: When I went to my first VidCon, only three years ago!
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people who I really liked and they said,
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and I was like, "I don't know what that is!" I've always
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maybe a thousand subscribers. Those, those
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P: meet them? Face to face? That was it. I was
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and it was great! Like, I got recognized?! people
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P: (in squeaky high voice): It was my first VidCon! 
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Y: I think every time, too, I'm like, "Maybe
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always reasons, you're like, "Nope. I have to
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Y: So, it's like a never ending cycle, like,
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P: How about NFI? What does Nerdfighters
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Y: like many people, through pat. (Paul laughs) Pat, Pat is
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Nerdfighteria and that was, like, "Oh! A
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P: I like it! (Y:Yeah!) I just don't feel like I'm a part
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Y: Yeah! 
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Y: Okay... 
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full time, this isn't our day job. That
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Y: Because there's like the small youtuber tag [P: Yes!] out
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Y: I've made one, doesn't matter. [laughs] But, uh,
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community-focused and more about being
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those audition videos, I think you find
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I think that, uh, i think like Linda Barsi
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from the community and what I want to bring
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this year's Less Than Famous, by myself
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I love! When people like that are
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P: happy about it. I'm gonna audition again for it
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I think I'm gonna wrap it up by asking one last thing:
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P: So, what does that mean to you? Both, both
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these platforms for you to continue
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the people who, you know, you want to see
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more, or at least brought awareness to
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Y: that, is great to see!
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P: to it [Y: Yeah.] And I will add to it by saying that,
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that's all you need! We've done it. We've
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P: Yes! So I heard some people make-- remarking about
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we still need it!" It seems like a lot, but
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there were like 200 and some panels that
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P: Chose? Had most of the diversity!

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Y: Yeah! That-- I was thinking about that, too, 
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chose were catered toward or had a lot of
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Y: I mean, for me, I'm like, "Great! There is
more diversity!" But overall it's-- there,

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obviously there's still work to be done

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P: Yeah. Which is why, one of the reasons why I
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myself do not enjoy attending the Maine
State panels i love the fact that the

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P: Main Stage is where the Race &
Representation panel happens [Y: Yeah] because it

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should be! That should be the place where the 
teenie-boppers who are going to see their white

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celebrities that they scream over before
Race and Representation and after Race and Representation

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station might sit through a service
station here and some shit

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I want that to happen! So kudos to you,
VidCon, for keeping that up.

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I really appreciate it so those are all
things i wanted to have our are various

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shared about. Do you want to chip in 
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Y: Uhh, I think I'm good! No.

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P: Thank you so much for doing this collab with me!
[Y: Yeah, Thank you!] You're in LA for a while now,

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Y: Yes! I am.
P: So we should do more stuff together!

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Y: Yes!
P: Yaaay!

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P: YouTube friends! Y: YouTube friends. 
P: if you liked this video, please be sure to share it so that other people

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can see it. Let me know what you thought
about our responses to these things in

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the comments below, or tell me anything
that matters to you because I want to

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know what matters to you. And then how do
i wrap this thing up?

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Paul: What do I say at the end?
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Yolanda: Tomorrow

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will be even better!

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Paul: Yeah, it will!
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