WEBVTT 00:00:10.060 --> 00:00:14.076 Today I stand before you as a man who lives life to the full 00:00:14.100 --> 00:00:15.340 in the here and now. 00:00:16.580 --> 00:00:18.236 But for a long time, 00:00:18.260 --> 00:00:19.460 I lived for death. 00:00:21.220 --> 00:00:22.836 I was a young man who believed 00:00:22.860 --> 00:00:27.420 that jihad is to be understood in the language of force and violence. 00:00:30.060 --> 00:00:33.300 I tried to right wrongs through power and aggression. 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:41.680 I had deep concerns for the suffering of others 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.800 and a strong desire to help and bring relief to them. 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.256 I thought violent jihad was noble, 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:53.616 chivalrous 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.960 and the best way to help. 00:00:57.440 --> 00:00:59.336 At a time when so many of our people -- 00:00:59.360 --> 00:01:00.616 young people especially -- 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.200 are at risk of radicalization 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:04.896 through groups like al-Qaeda, 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.760 Islamic State and others, 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.136 when these groups are claiming 00:01:09.160 --> 00:01:14.216 that their horrific brutality and violence are true jihad, 00:01:14.240 --> 00:01:18.416 I want to say that their idea of jihad is wrong -- 00:01:18.440 --> 00:01:19.776 completely wrong -- 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:21.000 as was mine, then. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.360 Jihad means to strive to one's utmost. 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:29.256 It includes exertion and spirituality, 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:30.776 self-purification 00:01:30.800 --> 00:01:32.000 and devotion. 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.056 It refers to positive transformation 00:01:37.080 --> 00:01:41.176 through learning, wisdom and remembrance of God. 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.440 The word jihad stands for all those meanings as a whole. 00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:51.136 Jihad may at times take the form of fighting, 00:01:51.160 --> 00:01:52.360 but only sometimes, 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:54.720 under strict conditions, 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.960 within rules and limits. 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:00.856 In Islam, 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:05.880 the benefit of an act must outweigh the harm or hardship it entails. 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:08.776 More importantly, 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.536 the verses in the Koran that are connected to jihad or fighting 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:19.136 do not cancel out the verses that talk about forgiveness, 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:20.456 benevolence 00:02:20.480 --> 00:02:21.680 or patience. 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:29.696 But now I believe that there are no circumstances on earth 00:02:29.720 --> 00:02:32.296 where violent jihad is permissible, 00:02:32.320 --> 00:02:35.000 because it will lead to greater harm. 00:02:37.600 --> 00:02:40.096 But now the idea of jihad has been hijacked. 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.456 It has been perverted to mean violent struggle 00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:46.456 wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:48.376 and turned into terrorism 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.456 by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, 00:02:51.480 --> 00:02:53.040 Islamic State and others. 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.056 But I have come to understand 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.016 that true jihad means striving to the utmost 00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:03.400 to strengthen and live those qualities which God loves: 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.576 honesty, trustworthiness, 00:03:06.600 --> 00:03:08.696 compassion, benevolence, 00:03:08.720 --> 00:03:10.616 reliability, respect, 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:12.016 truthfulness -- 00:03:12.040 --> 00:03:15.160 human values that so many of us share. 00:03:18.160 --> 00:03:20.016 I was born in Bangladesh, 00:03:20.040 --> 00:03:21.469 but grew up mostly in England. 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:23.519 And I went to school here. 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.576 My father was an academic, 00:03:26.600 --> 00:03:28.680 and we were in the UK through his work. 00:03:30.160 --> 00:03:34.640 In 1971 we were in Bangladesh when everything changed. 00:03:36.040 --> 00:03:39.576 The War of Independence impacted upon us terribly, 00:03:39.600 --> 00:03:41.456 pitting family against family, 00:03:41.480 --> 00:03:43.176 neighbor against neighbor. 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:46.056 And at the age of 12 I experienced war, 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:47.680 destitution in my family, 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.760 the deaths of 22 of my relatives in horrible ways, 00:03:52.760 --> 00:03:55.560 as well as the murder of my elder brother. 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.600 I witnessed killing ... 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.616 animals feeding on corpses in the streets, 00:04:05.640 --> 00:04:07.376 starvation all around me, 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.536 wanton, horrific violence -- 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:10.760 senseless violence. 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:15.816 I was a young man, 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.776 teenager, fascinated by ideas. 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:20.616 I wanted to learn, 00:04:20.640 --> 00:04:22.688 but I could not go to school for four years. 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.016 After the War of Independence, 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.520 my father was put in prison for two and a half years, 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.160 and I used to visit him every week in prison, 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:34.400 and homeschooled myself. 00:04:35.880 --> 00:04:38.440 My father was released in 1973 00:04:39.320 --> 00:04:41.896 and he fled to England as a refugee, 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.160 and we soon followed him. 00:04:44.520 --> 00:04:46.176 I was 17. 00:04:46.200 --> 00:04:48.656 So these experiences gave me 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.480 a sharp awareness of the atrocities and injustices in the world. 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:55.936 And I had a strong desire -- 00:04:55.960 --> 00:04:57.976 a very keen, deep desire -- 00:04:58.000 --> 00:04:59.216 to right wrongs 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:00.907 and help the victims of oppression. 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:04.336 While studying at college in the UK, 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.840 I met others who showed me how I could channel that desire 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:12.240 and help through my religion. 00:05:13.520 --> 00:05:14.816 And I was radicalized -- 00:05:14.840 --> 00:05:18.280 enough to consider violence correct, 00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:21.800 even a virtue under certain circumstances. 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.336 So I became involved in the jihad in Afghanistan. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.920 I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan population against the Soviet army. 00:05:32.760 --> 00:05:35.136 And I thought that was jihad: 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:36.656 my sacred duty, 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.400 which would be rewarded by God. 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.680 I became a preacher. 00:05:47.760 --> 00:05:52.856 I was one of the pioneers of violent jihad in the UK. 00:05:52.880 --> 00:05:54.376 I recruited, 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:56.080 I raised funds, I trained. 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.696 I confused true jihad 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.720 with this perversion as presented by the fascist Islamists -- 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.536 these people who use the idea of jihad 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.440 to justify their lust for power, authority and control on earth: 00:06:13.545 --> 00:06:17.856 a perversion perpetuated today by fascist Islamist groups 00:06:17.880 --> 00:06:20.760 like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others. 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.080 For a period of around 15 years, 00:06:24.080 --> 00:06:27.619 I fought for short periods of time 00:06:27.740 --> 00:06:29.476 in Kashmir and Burma, 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:30.820 besides Afghanistan. 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:33.920 Our aim was to remove the invaders, 00:06:34.960 --> 00:06:38.040 to bring relief to the oppressed victims 00:06:39.080 --> 00:06:42.216 and of course to establish an Islamic state, 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.960 a caliphate for God's rule. 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.120 And I did this openly. 00:06:47.380 --> 00:06:49.495 I didn't break any laws. 00:06:49.640 --> 00:06:52.736 I was proud and grateful to be British -- 00:06:52.760 --> 00:06:54.336 I still am. 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.000 And I bore no hostility against this, my country, 00:06:59.060 --> 00:07:02.596 nor enmity towards the non-Muslim citizens, 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:04.020 and I still don't. 00:07:06.940 --> 00:07:09.316 During one battle in Afghanistan, 00:07:09.340 --> 00:07:12.220 some British men and I formed a special bond 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:15.796 with a 15-year-old Afghani boy, 00:07:15.820 --> 00:07:17.020 Abdullah, 00:07:17.940 --> 00:07:20.276 an innocent, loving and lovable kid 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.340 who was always eager to please. 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:25.260 He was poor. 00:07:25.860 --> 00:07:28.580 And boys like him did menial tasks in the camp. 00:07:29.580 --> 00:07:30.866 And he seemed happy enough, 00:07:31.580 --> 00:07:32.996 but I couldn't help wonder -- 00:07:33.020 --> 00:07:34.925 his parents must have missed him dearly. 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:40.220 And they must have dreamt about a better future for him. 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.476 A victim of circumstance caught up in a war, 00:07:45.500 --> 00:07:46.780 cruelly thrust upon him 00:07:47.820 --> 00:07:50.060 by the cruel circumstances of the time. 00:07:53.780 --> 00:07:58.500 One day I picked up this unexploded mortar shell in a trench, 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:03.220 and I had it deposited in a makeshift mud hut lab. 00:08:04.380 --> 00:08:07.316 And I went out on a short, pointless skirmish -- 00:08:07.340 --> 00:08:08.540 always pointless, 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:12.980 And I came back a few hours later to discover he was dead. 00:08:14.260 --> 00:08:17.036 He had tried to recover explosives from that shell. 00:08:17.060 --> 00:08:19.660 It exploded, and he died a violent death, 00:08:20.540 --> 00:08:24.820 blown to bits by the very same device that had proved harmless to me. 00:08:26.180 --> 00:08:27.700 So I started to question. 00:08:29.700 --> 00:08:33.419 How did his death serve any purpose? 00:08:35.380 --> 00:08:37.380 Why did he die and I lived? 00:08:38.658 --> 00:08:40.155 I carried on. 00:08:40.179 --> 00:08:41.796 I fought in Kashmir. 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:44.516 I also recruited for the Philippines, 00:08:44.540 --> 00:08:46.340 Bosnia and Chechnya. 00:08:47.658 --> 00:08:48.940 And the questions grew. 00:08:50.980 --> 00:08:52.876 Later in Burma, 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:55.236 I came across Rohingya fighters, 00:08:55.260 --> 00:08:57.516 who were barely teenagers, 00:08:57.540 --> 00:08:59.196 born and brought up in the jungle, 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:01.280 carrying machine guns and grenade launchers. 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:10.300 I met two 13-year-olds with soft manners and gentle voices. 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:13.236 Looking at me, 00:09:13.260 --> 00:09:15.340 they begged me to take them away to England. 00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:23.700 They simply wanted to go to school -- 00:09:24.780 --> 00:09:26.100 that was their dream. 00:09:29.460 --> 00:09:30.676 My family -- 00:09:30.700 --> 00:09:32.156 my children of the same age -- 00:09:32.180 --> 00:09:34.140 were living at home in the UK, 00:09:35.140 --> 00:09:36.436 going to school, 00:09:36.460 --> 00:09:37.660 living a safe life. 00:09:38.980 --> 00:09:40.236 And I couldn't help wonder 00:09:40.260 --> 00:09:43.716 how much these young boys must have spoken to one another 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:45.940 about their dreams for such a life. 00:09:48.020 --> 00:09:49.940 Victims of circumstances: 00:09:51.460 --> 00:09:52.740 these two young boys, 00:09:53.420 --> 00:09:56.476 sleeping rough on the ground, looking up at the stars, 00:09:56.500 --> 00:09:58.996 cynically exploited by their leaders 00:09:59.020 --> 00:10:01.500 for their personal lust for glory and power. 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:06.236 I soon witnessed boys like them killing one another 00:10:06.260 --> 00:10:08.500 in conflicts between rival groups. 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:12.860 And it was the same everywhere ... 00:10:14.380 --> 00:10:16.876 Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma, 00:10:16.900 --> 00:10:18.380 Philippines, Chechnya; 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:23.956 petty warlords got the young and vulnerable to kill one another 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:25.300 in the name of jihad. 00:10:27.340 --> 00:10:29.180 Muslims against Muslims. 00:10:30.740 --> 00:10:35.116 Not protecting anyone against invaders or occupiers; 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:37.140 not bringing relief to the oppressed. 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:40.716 Children being used, 00:10:40.740 --> 00:10:42.356 cynically exploited; 00:10:42.380 --> 00:10:44.316 people dying in conflicts 00:10:44.340 --> 00:10:47.380 which I was supporting in the name of jihad. 00:10:50.020 --> 00:10:51.660 And it still carries on today. 00:10:56.900 --> 00:11:00.516 Realizing that the violent jihad 00:11:00.540 --> 00:11:04.740 I had engaged in abroad 00:11:06.540 --> 00:11:08.580 was so different -- 00:11:10.380 --> 00:11:15.116 such a chasm between what I had experienced 00:11:15.140 --> 00:11:16.940 and what I thought was sacred duty -- 00:11:17.740 --> 00:11:20.700 I had to reflect on my activities here in the UK. 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:25.396 I had to consider my preaching, 00:11:25.420 --> 00:11:26.956 recruiting, fund-raising, 00:11:26.980 --> 00:11:28.556 training, 00:11:28.580 --> 00:11:30.700 but most importantly, radicalizing -- 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:33.956 sending young people to fight and die 00:11:33.980 --> 00:11:35.196 as I was doing -- 00:11:35.220 --> 00:11:36.980 all totally wrong. 00:11:40.780 --> 00:11:43.980 So I got involved in violent jihad in the mid '80s, 00:11:45.060 --> 00:11:46.540 starting with Afghanistan. 00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:50.680 And by the time I finished it was in the year 2000. 00:11:51.140 --> 00:11:52.716 I was completely immersed in it. 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:54.676 All around me people supported, 00:11:54.700 --> 00:11:55.916 applauded, 00:11:55.940 --> 00:11:58.340 even celebrated what we were doing in their name. 00:12:00.260 --> 00:12:02.076 But by the time I learned to get out, 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:04.716 completely disillusioned in the year 2000, 00:12:04.740 --> 00:12:06.420 15 years had passed. 00:12:09.300 --> 00:12:10.540 So what goes wrong? 00:12:12.820 --> 00:12:15.660 We were so busy talking about virtue, 00:12:17.260 --> 00:12:20.420 and we were blinded by a cause. 00:12:24.340 --> 00:12:28.620 And we did not give ourselves a chance to develop a virtuous character. 00:12:29.780 --> 00:12:33.916 We told ourselves we were fighting for the oppressed, 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:36.140 but these were unwinnable wars. 00:12:37.820 --> 00:12:41.436 We became the very instrument through which more deaths occurred, 00:12:41.460 --> 00:12:45.196 complicit in causing further misery 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:47.820 for the selfish benefit of the cruel few. 00:12:48.780 --> 00:12:49.996 So over time, 00:12:50.020 --> 00:12:51.220 a very long time, 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:54.300 I opened my eyes. 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:57.940 I began to dare 00:12:59.540 --> 00:13:01.196 to face the truth, 00:13:01.220 --> 00:13:02.420 to think, 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:05.996 to face the hard questions. 00:13:06.020 --> 00:13:08.220 I got in touch with my soul. 00:13:18.580 --> 00:13:19.900 What have I learned? 00:13:21.140 --> 00:13:25.700 That people who engage in violent jihadism, 00:13:27.460 --> 00:13:30.060 that people who are drawn to these types of extremisms, 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:33.300 are not that different to everyone else. 00:13:34.380 --> 00:13:37.180 But I believe such people can change. 00:13:38.620 --> 00:13:41.476 They can regain their hearts and restore them 00:13:41.500 --> 00:13:44.560 by filling them with human values that heal. 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.416 When we ignore the realities, 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:57.200 we discover that we accept what we are told without critical reflection. 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:03.616 And we ignore the gifts and advantages that many of us would cherish 00:14:03.640 --> 00:14:05.920 even for a single moment in their lives. 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.960 I engaged in actions I thought were correct. 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.960 But now I began to question how I knew what I knew. 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:25.736 I endlessly told others to accept the truth, 00:14:25.760 --> 00:14:29.480 but I failed to give doubt its rightful place. 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:36.676 This conviction that people can change is rooted in my experience, 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:37.900 my own journey. 00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:41.316 Through wide reading, 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:42.540 reflecting, 00:14:43.060 --> 00:14:44.956 contemplation, self-knowledge, 00:14:44.980 --> 00:14:46.196 I discovered, 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:51.860 I realized that Islamists' world of us and them is false and unjust. 00:14:55.700 --> 00:14:59.380 Through considering the uncertainties in all that we had asserted, 00:15:00.300 --> 00:15:01.916 to the inviolable truths, 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:03.340 incontestable truths, 00:15:05.860 --> 00:15:08.740 I developed a more nuanced understanding. 00:15:15.380 --> 00:15:19.860 I realized that in a world crowded with variation and contradiction, 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:22.036 foolish preachers, 00:15:22.060 --> 00:15:25.076 only foolish preachers like I used to be, 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:30.460 see no paradox in the myths and fictions they use to assert authenticity. 00:15:32.020 --> 00:15:36.556 So I understood the vital importance of self-knowledge, 00:15:36.580 --> 00:15:37.780 political awareness 00:15:38.900 --> 00:15:43.556 and the necessity for a deep and wide understanding 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.036 of our commitments and our actions, 00:15:46.060 --> 00:15:47.380 how they affect others. 00:15:49.420 --> 00:15:50.876 So my plea today to everyone, 00:15:50.900 --> 00:15:55.380 especially those who sincerely believe in Islamist jihadism ... 00:15:57.380 --> 00:15:59.780 refuse dogmatic authority; 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:04.940 let go of anger, hatred and violence; 00:16:06.020 --> 00:16:07.676 learn to right wrongs 00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:12.770 without even attempting to justify cruel, unjust and futile behavior. 00:16:15.740 --> 00:16:19.076 Instead create a few beautiful and useful things 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:20.300 that outlive us. 00:16:24.100 --> 00:16:25.956 Approach the world, life, 00:16:25.980 --> 00:16:27.180 with love. 00:16:28.900 --> 00:16:30.116 Learn to develop 00:16:30.140 --> 00:16:31.396 or cultivate your hearts 00:16:31.420 --> 00:16:34.780 to see goodness, beauty and truth in others and in the world. 00:16:35.900 --> 00:16:38.420 That way we do matter more to ourselves ... 00:16:40.140 --> 00:16:41.340 to each other, 00:16:42.060 --> 00:16:43.276 to our communities 00:16:43.300 --> 00:16:44.780 and, for me, to God. 00:16:45.900 --> 00:16:47.516 This is jihad -- 00:16:47.540 --> 00:16:48.740 my true jihad. 00:16:49.820 --> 00:16:51.036 Thank you. 00:16:51.060 --> 00:16:53.500 (Applause)