1 00:00:10,060 --> 00:00:14,076 Today I stand before you as a man who lives life to the full 2 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:15,340 in the here and now. 3 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:18,236 But for a long time, 4 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:19,460 I lived for death. 5 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:22,836 I was a young man who believed 6 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:27,420 that jihad is to be understood in the language of force and violence. 7 00:00:30,060 --> 00:00:33,300 I tried to right wrongs through power and aggression. 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,680 I had deep concerns for the suffering of others 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,800 and a strong desire to help and bring relief to them. 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,256 I thought violent jihad was noble, 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,616 chivalrous 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,960 and the best way to help. 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,336 At a time when so many of our people -- 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,616 young people especially -- 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,200 are at risk of radicalization 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,896 through groups like al-Qaeda, 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,760 Islamic State and others, 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,136 when these groups are claiming 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,216 that their horrific brutality and violence are true jihad, 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,416 I want to say that their idea of jihad is wrong -- 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,776 completely wrong -- 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,000 as was mine, then. 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Jihad means to strive to one's utmost. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,256 It includes exertion and spirituality, 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,776 self-purification 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,000 and devotion. 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,056 It refers to positive transformation 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,176 through learning, wisdom and remembrance of God. 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,440 The word jihad stands for all those meanings as a whole. 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,136 Jihad may at times take the form of fighting, 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,360 but only sometimes, 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,720 under strict conditions, 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,960 within rules and limits. 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,856 In Islam, 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,880 the benefit of an act must outweigh the harm or hardship it entails. 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,776 More importantly, 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,536 the verses in the Koran that are connected to jihad or fighting 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:19,136 do not cancel out the verses that talk about forgiveness, 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,456 benevolence 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,680 or patience. 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,696 But now I believe that there are no circumstances on earth 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,296 where violent jihad is permissible, 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,000 because it will lead to greater harm. 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,096 But now the idea of jihad has been hijacked. 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,456 It has been perverted to mean violent struggle 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,456 wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,376 and turned into terrorism 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,456 by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Islamic State and others. 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,056 But I have come to understand 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,016 that true jihad means striving to the utmost 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,400 to strengthen and live those qualities which God loves: 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,576 honesty, trustworthiness, 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,696 compassion, benevolence, 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,616 reliability, respect, 56 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,016 truthfulness -- 57 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,160 human values that so many of us share. 58 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,016 I was born in Bangladesh, 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,469 but grew up mostly in England. 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,519 And I went to school here. 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,576 My father was an academic, 62 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,680 and we were in the UK through his work. 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,640 In 1971 we were in Bangladesh when everything changed. 64 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,576 The War of Independence impacted upon us terribly, 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,456 pitting family against family, 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,176 neighbor against neighbor. 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,056 And at the age of 12 I experienced war, 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,680 destitution in my family, 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,760 the deaths of 22 of my relatives in horrible ways, 70 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 as well as the murder of my elder brother. 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,600 I witnessed killing ... 72 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,616 animals feeding on corpses in the streets, 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,376 starvation all around me, 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,536 wanton, horrific violence -- 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,760 senseless violence. 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,816 I was a young man, 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,776 teenager, fascinated by ideas. 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,616 I wanted to learn, 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,688 but I could not go to school for four years. 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,016 After the War of Independence, 81 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,520 my father was put in prison for two and a half years, 82 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,160 and I used to visit him every week in prison, 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,400 and homeschooled myself. 84 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,440 My father was released in 1973 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,896 and he fled to England as a refugee, 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,160 and we soon followed him. 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,176 I was 17. 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,656 So these experiences gave me 89 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,480 a sharp awareness of the atrocities and injustices in the world. 90 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,936 And I had a strong desire -- 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,976 a very keen, deep desire -- 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,216 to right wrongs 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,907 and help the victims of oppression. 94 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,336 While studying at college in the UK, 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,840 I met others who showed me how I could channel that desire 96 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,240 and help through my religion. 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,816 And I was radicalized -- 98 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:18,280 enough to consider violence correct, 99 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,800 even a virtue under certain circumstances. 100 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,336 So I became involved in the jihad in Afghanistan. 101 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,920 I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan population against the Soviet army. 102 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,136 And I thought that was jihad: 103 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,656 my sacred duty, 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,400 which would be rewarded by God. 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,680 I became a preacher. 106 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,856 I was one of the pioneers of violent jihad in the UK. 107 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,376 I recruited, 108 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,080 I raised funds, I trained. 109 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,696 I confused true jihad 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,720 with this perversion as presented by the fascist Islamists -- 111 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,536 these people who use the idea of jihad 112 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,440 to justify their lust for power, authority and control on earth: 113 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:17,856 a perversion perpetuated today by fascist Islamist groups 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,760 like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others. 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,080 For a period of around 15 years, 116 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,619 I fought for short periods of time 117 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:29,476 in Kashmir and Burma, 118 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:30,820 besides Afghanistan. 119 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Our aim was to remove the invaders, 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,040 to bring relief to the oppressed victims 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,216 and of course to establish an Islamic state, 122 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,960 a caliphate for God's rule. 123 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,120 And I did this openly. 124 00:06:47,380 --> 00:06:49,495 I didn't break any laws. 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,736 I was proud and grateful to be British -- 126 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,336 I still am. 127 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,000 And I bore no hostility against this, my country, 128 00:06:59,060 --> 00:07:02,596 nor enmity towards the non-Muslim citizens, 129 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:04,020 and I still don't. 130 00:07:06,940 --> 00:07:09,316 During one battle in Afghanistan, 131 00:07:09,340 --> 00:07:12,220 some British men and I formed a special bond 132 00:07:13,060 --> 00:07:15,796 with a 15-year-old Afghani boy, 133 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:17,020 Abdullah, 134 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:20,276 an innocent, loving and lovable kid 135 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,340 who was always eager to please. 136 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,260 He was poor. 137 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:28,580 And boys like him did menial tasks in the camp. 138 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:30,866 And he seemed happy enough, 139 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:32,996 but I couldn't help wonder -- 140 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:34,925 his parents must have missed him dearly. 141 00:07:36,660 --> 00:07:40,220 And they must have dreamt about a better future for him. 142 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:45,476 A victim of circumstance caught up in a war, 143 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:46,780 cruelly thrust upon him 144 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:50,060 by the cruel circumstances of the time. 145 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:58,500 One day I picked up this unexploded mortar shell in a trench, 146 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:03,220 and I had it deposited in a makeshift mud hut lab. 147 00:08:04,380 --> 00:08:07,316 And I went out on a short, pointless skirmish -- 148 00:08:07,340 --> 00:08:08,540 always pointless, 149 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:12,980 And I came back a few hours later to discover he was dead. 150 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:17,036 He had tried to recover explosives from that shell. 151 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:19,660 It exploded, and he died a violent death, 152 00:08:20,540 --> 00:08:24,820 blown to bits by the very same device that had proved harmless to me. 153 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:27,700 So I started to question. 154 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:33,419 How did his death serve any purpose? 155 00:08:35,380 --> 00:08:37,380 Why did he die and I lived? 156 00:08:38,658 --> 00:08:40,155 I carried on. 157 00:08:40,179 --> 00:08:41,796 I fought in Kashmir. 158 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:44,516 I also recruited for the Philippines, 159 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:46,340 Bosnia and Chechnya. 160 00:08:47,658 --> 00:08:48,940 And the questions grew. 161 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:52,876 Later in Burma, 162 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:55,236 I came across Rohingya fighters, 163 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,516 who were barely teenagers, 164 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:59,196 born and brought up in the jungle, 165 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:01,280 carrying machine guns and grenade launchers. 166 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:10,300 I met two 13-year-olds with soft manners and gentle voices. 167 00:09:12,020 --> 00:09:13,236 Looking at me, 168 00:09:13,260 --> 00:09:15,340 they begged me to take them away to England. 169 00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:23,700 They simply wanted to go to school -- 170 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:26,100 that was their dream. 171 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:30,676 My family -- 172 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,156 my children of the same age -- 173 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:34,140 were living at home in the UK, 174 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:36,436 going to school, 175 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:37,660 living a safe life. 176 00:09:38,980 --> 00:09:40,236 And I couldn't help wonder 177 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:43,716 how much these young boys must have spoken to one another 178 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:45,940 about their dreams for such a life. 179 00:09:48,020 --> 00:09:49,940 Victims of circumstances: 180 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:52,740 these two young boys, 181 00:09:53,420 --> 00:09:56,476 sleeping rough on the ground, looking up at the stars, 182 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:58,996 cynically exploited by their leaders 183 00:09:59,020 --> 00:10:01,500 for their personal lust for glory and power. 184 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:06,236 I soon witnessed boys like them killing one another 185 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:08,500 in conflicts between rival groups. 186 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,860 And it was the same everywhere ... 187 00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:16,876 Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma, 188 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:18,380 Philippines, Chechnya; 189 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:23,956 petty warlords got the young and vulnerable to kill one another 190 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:25,300 in the name of jihad. 191 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:29,180 Muslims against Muslims. 192 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:35,116 Not protecting anyone against invaders or occupiers; 193 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:37,140 not bringing relief to the oppressed. 194 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:40,716 Children being used, 195 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,356 cynically exploited; 196 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,316 people dying in conflicts 197 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:47,380 which I was supporting in the name of jihad. 198 00:10:50,020 --> 00:10:51,660 And it still carries on today. 199 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:00,516 Realizing that the violent jihad 200 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:04,740 I had engaged in abroad 201 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:08,580 was so different -- 202 00:11:10,380 --> 00:11:15,116 such a chasm between what I had experienced 203 00:11:15,140 --> 00:11:16,940 and what I thought was sacred duty -- 204 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:20,700 I had to reflect on my activities here in the UK. 205 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:25,396 I had to consider my preaching, 206 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:26,956 recruiting, fund-raising, 207 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:28,556 training, 208 00:11:28,580 --> 00:11:30,700 but most importantly, radicalizing -- 209 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:33,956 sending young people to fight and die 210 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:35,196 as I was doing -- 211 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:36,980 all totally wrong. 212 00:11:40,780 --> 00:11:43,980 So I got involved in violent jihad in the mid '80s, 213 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:46,540 starting with Afghanistan. 214 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,680 And by the time I finished it was in the year 2000. 215 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:52,716 I was completely immersed in it. 216 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:54,676 All around me people supported, 217 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:55,916 applauded, 218 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:58,340 even celebrated what we were doing in their name. 219 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:02,076 But by the time I learned to get out, 220 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:04,716 completely disillusioned in the year 2000, 221 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:06,420 15 years had passed. 222 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:10,540 So what goes wrong? 223 00:12:12,820 --> 00:12:15,660 We were so busy talking about virtue, 224 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:20,420 and we were blinded by a cause. 225 00:12:24,340 --> 00:12:28,620 And we did not give ourselves a chance to develop a virtuous character. 226 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:33,916 We told ourselves we were fighting for the oppressed, 227 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:36,140 but these were unwinnable wars. 228 00:12:37,820 --> 00:12:41,436 We became the very instrument through which more deaths occurred, 229 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:45,196 complicit in causing further misery 230 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:47,820 for the selfish benefit of the cruel few. 231 00:12:48,780 --> 00:12:49,996 So over time, 232 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:51,220 a very long time, 233 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:54,300 I opened my eyes. 234 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:57,940 I began to dare 235 00:12:59,540 --> 00:13:01,196 to face the truth, 236 00:13:01,220 --> 00:13:02,420 to think, 237 00:13:03,860 --> 00:13:05,996 to face the hard questions. 238 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:08,220 I got in touch with my soul. 239 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:19,900 What have I learned? 240 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:25,700 That people who engage in violent jihadism, 241 00:13:27,460 --> 00:13:30,060 that people who are drawn to these types of extremisms, 242 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:33,300 are not that different to everyone else. 243 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:37,180 But I believe such people can change. 244 00:13:38,620 --> 00:13:41,476 They can regain their hearts and restore them 245 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:44,560 by filling them with human values that heal. 246 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,416 When we ignore the realities, 247 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:57,200 we discover that we accept what we are told without critical reflection. 248 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,616 And we ignore the gifts and advantages that many of us would cherish 249 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,920 even for a single moment in their lives. 250 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,960 I engaged in actions I thought were correct. 251 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,960 But now I began to question how I knew what I knew. 252 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,736 I endlessly told others to accept the truth, 253 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,480 but I failed to give doubt its rightful place. 254 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:36,676 This conviction that people can change is rooted in my experience, 255 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:37,900 my own journey. 256 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:41,316 Through wide reading, 257 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:42,540 reflecting, 258 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:44,956 contemplation, self-knowledge, 259 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:46,196 I discovered, 260 00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:51,860 I realized that Islamists' world of us and them is false and unjust. 261 00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:59,380 Through considering the uncertainties in all that we had asserted, 262 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:01,916 to the inviolable truths, 263 00:15:01,940 --> 00:15:03,340 incontestable truths, 264 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:08,740 I developed a more nuanced understanding. 265 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:19,860 I realized that in a world crowded with variation and contradiction, 266 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:22,036 foolish preachers, 267 00:15:22,060 --> 00:15:25,076 only foolish preachers like I used to be, 268 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:30,460 see no paradox in the myths and fictions they use to assert authenticity. 269 00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:36,556 So I understood the vital importance of self-knowledge, 270 00:15:36,580 --> 00:15:37,780 political awareness 271 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:43,556 and the necessity for a deep and wide understanding 272 00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:46,036 of our commitments and our actions, 273 00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:47,380 how they affect others. 274 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:50,876 So my plea today to everyone, 275 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:55,380 especially those who sincerely believe in Islamist jihadism ... 276 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:59,780 refuse dogmatic authority; 277 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:04,940 let go of anger, hatred and violence; 278 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:07,676 learn to right wrongs 279 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:12,770 without even attempting to justify cruel, unjust and futile behavior. 280 00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:19,076 Instead create a few beautiful and useful things 281 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:20,300 that outlive us. 282 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:25,956 Approach the world, life, 283 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:27,180 with love. 284 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:30,116 Learn to develop 285 00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:31,396 or cultivate your hearts 286 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:34,780 to see goodness, beauty and truth in others and in the world. 287 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:38,420 That way we do matter more to ourselves ... 288 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:41,340 to each other, 289 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:43,276 to our communities 290 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:44,780 and, for me, to God. 291 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:47,516 This is jihad -- 292 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:48,740 my true jihad. 293 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:51,036 Thank you. 294 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:53,500 (Applause)