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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.69,0:00:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FATHER: He was in college when he was in fifteen.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.33,0:00:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,LANDLADY: …he's different.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.08,0:00:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never known anybody like him ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.16,0:00:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And venture to say that I probably never will.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.92,0:00:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOTHER: Most of his art is actually writing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.54,0:00:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: I spend a lot more \Ntime writing than I do drawing -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.52,0:00:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really wouldn't want to make that distinction
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.72,0:00:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or feel the need to separate the two.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.92,0:00:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact is I make work that, that requires both.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.73,0:00:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FATHER: all those books downstairs, \Nand the thousands we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.36,0:00:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he reads those all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.68,0:00:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,LANDLADY: he loved to find books that are,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.56,0:00:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are underlined or highlighted
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.56,0:01:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because especially those people \Nmight not even be alive any more,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.96,0:01:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's like he gets to kind of shadow
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.72,0:01:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find out what was interesting to \Nthe people that have gone before him…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.92,0:01:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: My writing is associational.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.96,0:01:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't necessarily know where it's \Ngoing to go while you're doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.84,0:01:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes people, ah, comment that the,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.20,0:01:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's such a disparity \Nbetween the image and the words…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.36,0:01:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It mirrors the way I work overall quite a bit…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.15,0:01:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,LANDLADY: I'm not trying to \Nsay he's a slob, it's just,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.64,0:01:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the way he works and I believe \Nthat he has to have his stuff around him,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.88,0:01:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all around him like that to be able to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.32,0:01:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That looks normal for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.08,0:01:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it’s just hysterical to me that in his mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.28,0:01:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he felt that he would not make a mess at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.20,0:02:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He’s eccentric at times, I would have to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.28,0:02:08.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a special place in my heart for \Nhim, I just think he’s a great guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.45,0:02:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: This is gonna be a \Ncoup, actually, seeing me…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.20,0:02:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first, first known record or case of me
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.16,0:02:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually arranging or kind \Nof cleaning up the place.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.96,0:02:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can't be a documentary though,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.94,0:02:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because no one would believe it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.18,0:02:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,LANDLADY: He just has a really broad \Nrange of things that interest him,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.28,0:02:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it can be erotic to a bowl of fruit,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.04,0:02:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A mind that can do that…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.60,0:02:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of broad spectrum \Nartistically has to be pretty busy
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.80,0:02:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a lot of different things.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.12,0:02:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOTHER: It's a thinking \Npersons art, isn't it true?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.24,0:03:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not just drawing pretty pictures,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.24,0:03:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has all these ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.17,0:03:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: The way I think and the \Nway I talk and the way I write,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.40,0:03:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s not very direct always.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.04,0:03:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can lead anywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.48,0:03:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want it to be as fluent as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.56,0:03:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, that’s a major part of my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.40,0:03:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Almost like an athlete would exercise his muscles
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.00,0:03:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do the same moves and get to a point
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.32,0:03:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it becomes almost instinctive.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.48,0:03:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though my work is usually \Njust, just one drawing,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.20,0:03:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is more of a narrative than \Nit is a cartoon with a punch line
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.48,0:03:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a resolution and a laugh at the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.68,0:04:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There still is an element of caricature \Nand cartoons that my work retains.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.92,0:04:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gumby represents an alter-ego \Nfor my work as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.24,0:04:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s actually a lot more \Nto that figure than just
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.44,0:04:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ninety-eight ounces of clay or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.36,0:04:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some of his cartoons he goes \Ninto a biography or historical book
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.36,0:04:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he interacts with real figures from the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.56,0:04:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I tend to do that in my \Nwork and in my videos as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.84,0:04:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, who for me, does more \Nthan Gumby would be Vavoom.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.03,0:04:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I'm doing drawings of Vavoom, \Nputting him in this kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.12,0:04:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,epic, sublime, romantic \Nlandscape and he is this little,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.36,0:04:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little guy with a booming voice…
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.24,0:04:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I consider characters like Gumby or Vavoom,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.36,0:04:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Felix the Cat, with respect, compared \Nto the President of the United States…
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.76,0:05:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one or any or them, you know, really.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.84,0:05:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those are the real cartoon figures,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.92,0:05:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those are the real ridiculous figures.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.21,0:05:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: There’s a very direct \Nkind of anger in some of my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.84,0:05:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The pretentious, the powerful, decadent, corrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.76,0:05:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those would tend to be people \Nwho I don’t respect at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.84,0:05:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a way of trying to \Nbreak down this natural awe
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.68,0:05:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with those heroes that comes \Nout of a sort of fear and envy…
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.96,0:05:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never considered myself \Nmuch of a political artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.56,0:05:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most of my art doesn't really deal \Nin like explicitly political issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.40,0:05:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, I'm not going to \Napologize or shy away from it any,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.80,0:05:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any more than I would any other subject.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.38,0:06:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Patty) Daddy, you never \Ntaught me the facts of life.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.24,0:06:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You never read me Marx.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.48,0:06:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grew up not knowing what \Na worker is or what they do.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.28,0:06:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at me now Daddy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.76,0:06:12.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at your little daughter.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.52,0:06:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m out of the closet for good.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.80,0:06:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The blindfold’s peeled off \Nfor the first time in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.56,0:06:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: Patty Hearst and the SLA…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.72,0:06:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would really be impossible \NI would think, for me anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.40,0:06:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to not treat it with broad comic aspect to it
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.20,0:06:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the whole situation \Nwas such a broad burlesque.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.08,0:06:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And like a lot of the best humor,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.36,0:06:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's the Three Stooges or Molière,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.68,0:06:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about someone who is \Nreally strident or pretentious,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.76,0:06:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of political groups from the sixties,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.56,0:06:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seventies were so full of their own righteousness.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.08,0:07:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to take that sort of thing seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.68,0:07:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you can see it from any historical distance…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.21,0:07:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I'm going to be \Ncondemned for broaching that subject
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.20,0:07:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a comic angle that is, \Nthat's completely absurd…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.20,0:07:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to demonize them in particular when
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.84,0:07:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you had a war going on that was killing millions,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.24,0:07:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it's a way for me to \Nobjectify the lines there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.08,0:07:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To even the playing field a little bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.72,0:07:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than picking one enemy and demonizing them
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.12,0:07:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to basically cover your own ass.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.84,0:08:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: Now if you could get me \Non camera doing a straight line
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.32,0:08:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would also be a historic shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.40,0:08:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not going to happen here.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.88,0:08:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you do look at my, my \Nworks, baseball for instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.60,0:08:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a kind of larger than \Nlife attitude to a lot of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.04,0:08:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not all the works are pure \Nadulation of the ball players.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.44,0:08:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Baseball has probably been my \Nfavorite since I was a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.68,0:08:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason why I keep coming \Nback to certain images
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.44,0:08:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is probably most often that there's \Na visual quality that works for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.92,0:08:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you are throwing the \Npitch or batting the ball
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.36,0:08:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do have that sense of movement \Nand for an artist like myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.00,0:08:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whose work is that one \Nmoment, that can be important.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.64,0:08:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work on the subject does say a lot about
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.84,0:09:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what goes on off the field \Nas well about the society–
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.08,0:09:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's kind of a microcosm \Nof the society as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.71,0:09:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOTHER: He draws a train and it can give you maybe hundred stories just looking at the train.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.00,0:09:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: I think trains in my \Nwork are particularly American.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.72,0:09:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this country, we still had vast frontiers left.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.77,0:09:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was about bringing the shores \Ntogether, about going west.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.24,0:09:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when I was a kid, when \NI heard the train at night
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.88,0:09:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was like the equivalent of running \Noff and joining the circus, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.16,0:09:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every American kid kind of had that \Nsomewhere in his mind and kind of embedded.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.24,0:10:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beyond that, it’s an image that works \Nwell for the kind of drawings I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.90,0:10:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: What you see is these motifs \Nthat keep reoccurring in my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.12,0:10:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They started as one image and for whatever reason,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.12,0:10:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they did have this kind of resonance to \Nme and that brought them back and some of,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.27,0:10:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of them, you know, \Nhave had a fairly long life.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.84,0:11:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a kind of a strain in my work that \Nis usually described as like a film noir.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.76,0:11:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There probably is more failure depicted \Nin my work then there is success.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.35,0:11:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Landlady) I find a lot of humor in his work,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.12,0:11:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the world’s kind of scary sometimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.72,0:11:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he tends to be able to make some \Nof the most horrible things funny.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.44,0:11:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He’ll just flat out put it down on paper
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.44,0:11:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then write something about \Nit and you can’t help but laugh.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.22,0:11:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ray: I don't like my humor to be in \Nthe service of making fun of people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.04,0:11:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on superficialities just for the \Nsake of going for some cheap laugh.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.52,0:11:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won’t do that if it will hurt someone,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.60,0:12:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it’s based on things that \Npeople have no control over.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.08,0:12:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We as humans still so oftentimes feel the need to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.68,0:12:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have someone to pick on, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.78,0:12:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RAYMOND: Art can be a kind of \Ntherapeutic or kind of a fantasy life or,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.48,0:12:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or wish fulfillment or creating \Nthis alternate universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.27,0:12:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Art to me is, gives me the freedom
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.98,0:12:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.39,0:12:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t feel constrained by
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.27,0:12:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the subject matter…
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.22,0:12:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I welcome practically anything
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.30,0:12:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the drawing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.32,0:12:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it’s work that is best when \Nthere isn’t any final resolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.32,0:13:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you don't arrive.