FATHER: He was in college when he was in fifteen.
LANDLADY: …he's different.
I've never known anybody like him ever.
And venture to say that I probably never will.
MOTHER: Most of his art is actually writing.
RAYMOND: I spend a lot more
time writing than I do drawing -
I really wouldn't want to make that distinction
or feel the need to separate the two.
The fact is I make work that, that requires both.
FATHER: all those books downstairs,
and the thousands we have,
he reads those all the time.
LANDLADY: he loved to find books that are,
that they are underlined or highlighted
because especially those people
might not even be alive any more,
so it's like he gets to kind of shadow
and find out what was interesting to
the people that have gone before him…
RAYMOND: My writing is associational.
You don't necessarily know where it's
going to go while you're doing it.
Sometimes people, ah, comment that the,
that there's such a disparity
between the image and the words…
It mirrors the way I work overall quite a bit…
LANDLADY: I'm not trying to
say he's a slob, it's just,
that's the way he works and I believe
that he has to have his stuff around him,
all around him like that to be able to work.
That looks normal for him.
But it’s just hysterical to me that in his mind,
he felt that he would not make a mess at all.
He’s eccentric at times, I would have to say.
I have a special place in my heart for
him, I just think he’s a great guy.
RAYMOND: This is gonna be a
coup, actually, seeing me…
first, first known record or case of me
actually arranging or kind
of cleaning up the place.
It can't be a documentary though,
because no one would believe it.
LANDLADY: He just has a really broad
range of things that interest him,
and it can be erotic to a bowl of fruit,
A mind that can do that…
that kind of broad spectrum
artistically has to be pretty busy
with a lot of different things.
MOTHER: It's a thinking
persons art, isn't it true?
It's not just drawing pretty pictures,
and he has all these ideas.
RAYMOND: The way I think and the
way I talk and the way I write,
it’s not very direct always.
It can lead anywhere.
I want it to be as fluent as possible.
I mean, that’s a major part of my work.
Almost like an athlete would exercise his muscles
and do the same moves and get to a point
where it becomes almost instinctive.
Even though my work is usually
just, just one drawing,
it is more of a narrative than
it is a cartoon with a punch line
and a resolution and a laugh at the end.
There still is an element of caricature
and cartoons that my work retains.
Gumby represents an alter-ego
for my work as an artist.
There’s actually a lot more
to that figure than just
ninety-eight ounces of clay or whatever.
In some of his cartoons he goes
into a biography or historical book
and he interacts with real figures from the past.
And I tend to do that in my
work and in my videos as well.
You know, who for me, does more
than Gumby would be Vavoom.
When I'm doing drawings of Vavoom,
putting him in this kind of
epic, sublime, romantic
landscape and he is this little,
little guy with a booming voice…
I consider characters like Gumby or Vavoom,
Felix the Cat, with respect, compared
to the President of the United States…
this one or any or them, you know, really.
And those are the real cartoon figures,
and those are the real ridiculous figures.
RAYMOND: There’s a very direct
kind of anger in some of my work.
The pretentious, the powerful, decadent, corrupt.
Those would tend to be people
who I don’t respect at all.
It's a way of trying to
break down this natural awe
with those heroes that comes
out of a sort of fear and envy…
I've never considered myself
much of a political artist.
And most of my art doesn't really deal
in like explicitly political issues.
But you know, I'm not going to
apologize or shy away from it any,
any more than I would any other subject.
(Patty) Daddy, you never
taught me the facts of life.
You never read me Marx.
I grew up not knowing what
a worker is or what they do.
Look at me now Daddy.
Look at your little daughter.
I’m out of the closet for good.
The blindfold’s peeled off
for the first time in my life.
RAYMOND: Patty Hearst and the SLA…
it would really be impossible
I would think, for me anyway,
to not treat it with broad comic aspect to it
because the whole situation
was such a broad burlesque.
And like a lot of the best humor,
whether it's the Three Stooges or Molière,
it's about someone who is
really strident or pretentious,
and a lot of political groups from the sixties,
seventies were so full of their own righteousness.
It's hard to take that sort of thing seriously.
If you can see it from any historical distance…
If I'm going to be
condemned for broaching that subject
from a comic angle that is,
that's completely absurd…
to demonize them in particular when
you had a war going on that was killing millions,
I mean it's a way for me to
objectify the lines there.
To even the playing field a little bit,
rather than picking one enemy and demonizing them
to basically cover your own ass.
RAYMOND: Now if you could get me
on camera doing a straight line
that would also be a historic shot.
That's not going to happen here.
If you do look at my, my
works, baseball for instance,
there is a kind of larger than
life attitude to a lot of it.
Not all the works are pure
adulation of the ball players.
Baseball has probably been my
favorite since I was a child.
The reason why I keep coming
back to certain images
is probably most often that there's
a visual quality that works for me,
whether you are throwing the
pitch or batting the ball
you do have that sense of movement
and for an artist like myself,
whose work is that one
moment, that can be important.
My work on the subject does say a lot about
what goes on off the field
as well about the society–
it's kind of a microcosm
of the society as a whole.
MOTHER: He draws a train and it can give you maybe hundred stories just looking at the train.
RAYMOND: I think trains in my
work are particularly American.
In this country, we still had vast frontiers left.
It was about bringing the shores
together, about going west.
Even when I was a kid, when
I heard the train at night
it was like the equivalent of running
off and joining the circus, I guess.
Every American kid kind of had that
somewhere in his mind and kind of embedded.
Beyond that, it’s an image that works
well for the kind of drawings I do.
RAYMOND: What you see is these motifs
that keep reoccurring in my work.
They started as one image and for whatever reason,
they did have this kind of resonance to
me and that brought them back and some of,
some of them, you know,
have had a fairly long life.
There is a kind of a strain in my work that
is usually described as like a film noir.
There probably is more failure depicted
in my work then there is success.
(Landlady) I find a lot of humor in his work,
because the world’s kind of scary sometimes,
and he tends to be able to make some
of the most horrible things funny.
He’ll just flat out put it down on paper
and then write something about
it and you can’t help but laugh.
Ray: I don't like my humor to be in
the service of making fun of people
based on superficialities just for the
sake of going for some cheap laugh.
I won’t do that if it will hurt someone,
if it’s based on things that
people have no control over.
We as humans still so oftentimes feel the need to
have someone to pick on, you know.
RAYMOND: Art can be a kind of
therapeutic or kind of a fantasy life or,
or wish fulfillment or creating
this alternate universe.
Art to me is, gives me the freedom
to do that.
I don’t feel constrained by
the subject matter…
I welcome practically anything
into the drawing.
I think it’s work that is best when
there isn’t any final resolution.
When you don't arrive.