1 00:00:01,165 --> 00:00:04,613 I'm an ocean microbiologist at the University of Tennessee, 2 00:00:04,637 --> 00:00:07,182 and I want to tell you guys about some microbes 3 00:00:07,206 --> 00:00:10,400 that are so strange and wonderful 4 00:00:10,424 --> 00:00:14,227 that they're challenging our assumptions about what life is like on Earth. 5 00:00:14,251 --> 00:00:15,680 So I have a question. 6 00:00:15,704 --> 00:00:18,747 Please raise your hand if you've ever thought it would be cool 7 00:00:18,771 --> 00:00:21,418 to go to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine? 8 00:00:22,372 --> 00:00:23,522 Yes. 9 00:00:23,546 --> 00:00:25,722 Most of you, because the oceans are so cool. 10 00:00:25,746 --> 00:00:28,449 Alright, now -- please raise your hand 11 00:00:28,473 --> 00:00:32,163 if the reason you raised your hand to go to the bottom of the ocean 12 00:00:32,187 --> 00:00:34,478 is because it would get you a little bit closer 13 00:00:34,502 --> 00:00:37,195 to that exciting mud that's down there. 14 00:00:37,219 --> 00:00:38,227 (Laughter) 15 00:00:38,251 --> 00:00:39,541 Nobody. 16 00:00:39,565 --> 00:00:41,390 I'm the only one in this room. 17 00:00:41,414 --> 00:00:43,400 Well, I think about this all the time. 18 00:00:43,424 --> 00:00:45,689 I spend most of my waking hours 19 00:00:45,713 --> 00:00:49,499 trying to determine how deep we can go into the Earth 20 00:00:49,523 --> 00:00:53,276 and still find something, anything, that's alive, 21 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:56,396 because we still don't know the answer to this very basic question 22 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:57,619 about life on Earth. 23 00:00:57,643 --> 00:01:01,243 So in the 1980s, a scientist named John Parkes, in the UK, 24 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:03,171 was similarly obsessed, 25 00:01:03,195 --> 00:01:05,792 and he came up with a crazy idea. 26 00:01:05,816 --> 00:01:11,474 He believed that there was a vast, deep, and living microbial biosphere 27 00:01:11,498 --> 00:01:13,093 underneath all the world's oceans 28 00:01:13,117 --> 00:01:15,735 that extends hundreds of meters into the seafloor, 29 00:01:15,759 --> 00:01:16,910 which is cool, 30 00:01:16,934 --> 00:01:20,076 but the only problem is that nobody believed him, 31 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,863 and the reason that nobody believed him 32 00:01:22,887 --> 00:01:27,067 is that ocean sediments may be the most boring place on Earth. 33 00:01:27,091 --> 00:01:28,177 (Laughter) 34 00:01:28,201 --> 00:01:31,236 There's no sunlight, there's no oxygen, 35 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:32,799 and perhaps worst of all, 36 00:01:32,823 --> 00:01:36,998 there's no fresh food deliveries for literally millions of years. 37 00:01:37,022 --> 00:01:38,964 You don't have to have a PhD in biology 38 00:01:38,988 --> 00:01:41,623 to know that that is a bad place to go looking for life. 39 00:01:41,647 --> 00:01:42,654 (Laughter) 40 00:01:42,678 --> 00:01:47,565 But in 2002, John had convinced enough people that he was on to something 41 00:01:47,589 --> 00:01:51,217 that he actually got an expedition on this drill ship 42 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:53,073 called the JOIDES Resolution, 43 00:01:53,097 --> 00:01:56,177 and he ran it along with Bo Barker Jørgensen of Denmark. 44 00:01:56,201 --> 00:01:57,923 And so they were finally able to get 45 00:01:57,947 --> 00:02:01,312 good pristine deep subsurface samples 46 00:02:01,336 --> 00:02:04,149 some really without contamination from surface microbes. 47 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:09,446 This drill ship is capable of drilling thousands of meters underneath the ocean, 48 00:02:09,470 --> 00:02:12,966 and the mud comes up in sequential cores, one after the other -- 49 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:15,660 long, long cores that look like this. 50 00:02:15,684 --> 00:02:19,493 This is being carried by scientists such as myself who go on these ships, 51 00:02:19,517 --> 00:02:22,517 and we process the cores on the ships and then we send them home 52 00:02:22,541 --> 00:02:24,640 to our home laboratories for further study. 53 00:02:24,664 --> 00:02:26,141 So when John and his colleagues 54 00:02:26,165 --> 00:02:29,720 got these first precious deep-sea pristine samples, 55 00:02:29,744 --> 00:02:31,625 they put them under the microscope, 56 00:02:31,649 --> 00:02:35,758 and they saw images that looked pretty much like this, 57 00:02:35,782 --> 00:02:38,259 which is actually taken from a more recent expedition 58 00:02:38,283 --> 00:02:40,469 by my PhD student Joy Buongiorno. 59 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,781 You can see the hazy stuff in the background. 60 00:02:42,805 --> 00:02:45,590 That's mud. That's deep-sea ocean mud, 61 00:02:45,614 --> 00:02:49,601 and the bright green dots stained with the green fluorescent dye 62 00:02:49,625 --> 00:02:52,363 are real, living microbes. 63 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:56,203 Now I've got to tell you something really tragic about microbes. 64 00:02:56,227 --> 00:02:58,306 They all look the same under a microscope, 65 00:02:58,330 --> 00:02:59,937 I mean, to a first approximation. 66 00:02:59,961 --> 00:03:03,553 You can take the most fascinating organisms in the world, 67 00:03:03,577 --> 00:03:07,243 like a microbe that literally breathes uranium, 68 00:03:07,267 --> 00:03:09,679 and another one that makes rocket fuel, 69 00:03:09,703 --> 00:03:11,259 mix them up with some ocean mud, 70 00:03:11,283 --> 00:03:13,480 put them underneath a microscope, 71 00:03:13,504 --> 00:03:15,315 and they're just little dots. 72 00:03:15,339 --> 00:03:16,770 It's really annoying. 73 00:03:16,794 --> 00:03:19,285 So we can't use their looks to tell them apart. 74 00:03:19,309 --> 00:03:21,469 We have to use DNA, like a fingerprint, 75 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:23,214 to say who is who. 76 00:03:23,238 --> 00:03:25,500 And I'll teach you guys how to do it right now. 77 00:03:25,524 --> 00:03:29,540 So I made up some data, and I'm going to show you some data that are not real. 78 00:03:29,564 --> 00:03:31,747 This is to illustrate what it would look like 79 00:03:31,771 --> 00:03:35,151 if a bunch of species were not related to each other at all. 80 00:03:35,722 --> 00:03:38,940 So you can see each species 81 00:03:38,964 --> 00:03:43,163 has a list of combinations of A, G, C and T, 82 00:03:43,187 --> 00:03:44,902 which are the four sub-units of DNA, 83 00:03:44,926 --> 00:03:48,711 sort of randomly jumbled, and nothing looks like anything else, 84 00:03:48,735 --> 00:03:51,346 and these species are totally unrelated to each other. 85 00:03:51,370 --> 00:03:53,425 But this is what real DNA looks like, 86 00:03:53,449 --> 00:03:55,900 from a gene that these species happen to share. 87 00:03:56,477 --> 00:03:59,465 Everything lines up nearly perfectly. 88 00:03:59,489 --> 00:04:02,909 The chances of getting so many of those vertical columns 89 00:04:02,933 --> 00:04:06,322 where every species has a C or every species has a T, 90 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:09,131 by random chance, are infinitesimal. 91 00:04:09,155 --> 00:04:14,068 So we know that all those species had to have had a common ancestor. 92 00:04:14,092 --> 00:04:15,989 They're all relatives of each other. 93 00:04:16,013 --> 00:04:17,861 So now I'll tell you who they are. 94 00:04:18,338 --> 00:04:20,942 The top two are us and chimpanzees, 95 00:04:20,966 --> 00:04:24,561 which y'all already knew were related, because, I mean, obviously. 96 00:04:24,585 --> 00:04:26,045 (Laughter) 97 00:04:26,069 --> 00:04:28,847 But we're also related to things that we don't look like, 98 00:04:28,871 --> 00:04:33,394 like pine trees and Giardia, which is that gastrointestinal disease 99 00:04:33,418 --> 00:04:36,425 you can get if you don't filter your water while you're hiking. 100 00:04:36,449 --> 00:04:41,363 We're also related to bacteria like E. coli and Clostridium difficile, 101 00:04:41,387 --> 00:04:44,849 which is a horrible, opportunistic pathogen that kills lots of people. 102 00:04:44,873 --> 00:04:49,047 But there's of course good microbes too, like Dehalococcoides ethenogenes, 103 00:04:49,071 --> 00:04:51,939 which cleans up our industrial waste for us. 104 00:04:51,963 --> 00:04:54,702 So if I take these DNA sequences, 105 00:04:54,726 --> 00:04:57,869 and then I use them, the similarities and differences between them, 106 00:04:57,893 --> 00:04:59,722 to make a family tree for all of us 107 00:04:59,746 --> 00:05:01,611 so you can see who is closely related, 108 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:03,540 then this is what it looks like. 109 00:05:03,564 --> 00:05:05,847 So you can see clearly, at a glance, 110 00:05:05,871 --> 00:05:11,188 that things like us and Giardia and bunnies and pine trees 111 00:05:11,212 --> 00:05:12,988 are all, like, siblings, 112 00:05:13,012 --> 00:05:16,092 and then the bacteria are like our ancient cousins. 113 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:20,289 But we're kin to every living thing on Earth. 114 00:05:20,313 --> 00:05:22,781 So in my job, on a daily basis, 115 00:05:22,805 --> 00:05:27,136 I get to produce scientific evidence against existential loneliness. 116 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,024 So when we got these first DNA sequences, 117 00:05:30,048 --> 00:05:34,248 from the first cruise, of pristine samples from the deep subsurface, 118 00:05:34,272 --> 00:05:36,121 we wanted to know where they were. 119 00:05:36,145 --> 00:05:39,359 So the first thing that we discovered is that they were not aliens, 120 00:05:39,383 --> 00:05:42,968 because we could get their DNA to line up with everything else on Earth. 121 00:05:42,992 --> 00:05:46,190 But now check out where they go on our tree of life. 122 00:05:47,468 --> 00:05:50,570 The first thing you'll notice is that there's a lot of them. 123 00:05:50,594 --> 00:05:52,419 It wasn't just one little species 124 00:05:52,443 --> 00:05:54,562 that managed to live in this horrible place. 125 00:05:54,586 --> 00:05:56,069 It's kind of a lot of things. 126 00:05:56,093 --> 00:05:58,051 And the second thing that you'll notice, 127 00:05:58,075 --> 00:06:02,895 hopefully, is that they're not like anything we've ever seen before. 128 00:06:03,482 --> 00:06:05,616 They are as different from each other 129 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,505 as they are from anything that we've known before 130 00:06:08,529 --> 00:06:10,490 as we are from pine trees. 131 00:06:10,514 --> 00:06:13,695 So John Parkes was completely correct. 132 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:18,847 He, and we, had discovered a completely new and highly diverse 133 00:06:18,871 --> 00:06:20,841 microbial ecosystem on Earth 134 00:06:20,865 --> 00:06:24,706 that no one even knew existed before the 1980s. 135 00:06:25,159 --> 00:06:26,692 So now we were on a roll. 136 00:06:26,716 --> 00:06:31,428 The next step was to grow these exotic species in a petri dish 137 00:06:31,452 --> 00:06:33,622 so that we could do real experiments on them 138 00:06:33,646 --> 00:06:35,685 like microbiologists are supposed to do. 139 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:37,651 But no matter what we fed them, 140 00:06:37,675 --> 00:06:39,238 they refused to grow. 141 00:06:39,825 --> 00:06:43,832 Even now, 15 years and many expeditions later, 142 00:06:43,856 --> 00:06:49,260 no human has ever gotten a single one of these exotic deep subsurface microbes 143 00:06:49,284 --> 00:06:50,947 to grow in a petri dish. 144 00:06:50,971 --> 00:06:52,657 And it's not for lack of trying. 145 00:06:53,185 --> 00:06:55,161 That may sound disappointing, 146 00:06:55,185 --> 00:06:56,908 but I actually find it exhilarating, 147 00:06:56,932 --> 00:07:00,503 because it means there are so many tantalizing unknowns to work on. 148 00:07:00,527 --> 00:07:04,114 Like, my colleagues and I got what we thought was a really great idea. 149 00:07:04,138 --> 00:07:07,419 We were going to read their genes like a recipe book, 150 00:07:07,443 --> 00:07:10,920 find out what it was they wanted to eat and put it in their petri dishes, 151 00:07:10,944 --> 00:07:12,855 and then they would grow and be happy. 152 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:14,530 But when we looked at their genes, 153 00:07:14,554 --> 00:07:18,622 it turns out that what they wanted to eat was the food we were already feeding them. 154 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:20,256 So that was a total wash. 155 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,257 There was something else that they wanted in their petri dishes 156 00:07:23,281 --> 00:07:25,097 that we were just not giving them. 157 00:07:26,248 --> 00:07:29,954 So by combining measurements from many different places 158 00:07:29,978 --> 00:07:31,136 around the world, 159 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,823 my colleagues at the University of Southern California, 160 00:07:34,847 --> 00:07:36,553 Doug LaRowe and Jan Amend, 161 00:07:36,577 --> 00:07:41,280 were able to calculate that each one of these deep-sea microbial cells 162 00:07:41,304 --> 00:07:44,670 requires only one zeptowatt of power, 163 00:07:44,694 --> 00:07:48,634 and before you get your phones out, a zepto is 10 to the minus 21, 164 00:07:48,658 --> 00:07:50,706 because I know I would want to look that up. 165 00:07:50,730 --> 00:07:52,261 Humans, on the other hand, 166 00:07:52,285 --> 00:07:54,874 require about 100 watts of power. 167 00:07:54,898 --> 00:07:58,409 So 100 watts is basically if you take a pineapple 168 00:07:58,433 --> 00:08:04,643 and drop it from about waist height to the ground 881,632 times a day. 169 00:08:04,667 --> 00:08:07,048 If you did that and then linked it up to a turbine, 170 00:08:07,072 --> 00:08:10,310 that would create enough power to make me happen for a day. 171 00:08:11,177 --> 00:08:13,970 A zeptowatt, if you put it in similar terms, 172 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:18,077 is if you take just one grain of salt 173 00:08:18,101 --> 00:08:21,719 and then you imagine a tiny, tiny, little ball 174 00:08:21,743 --> 00:08:25,359 that is one thousandth of the mass of that one grain of salt 175 00:08:25,383 --> 00:08:28,192 and then you drop it one nanometer, 176 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:32,398 which is a hundred times smaller than the wavelength of visible light, 177 00:08:32,422 --> 00:08:34,057 once per day. 178 00:08:34,773 --> 00:08:37,971 That's all it takes to make these microbes live. 179 00:08:38,717 --> 00:08:44,082 That's less energy than we ever thought would be capable of supporting life, 180 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,180 but somehow, amazingly, beautifully, 181 00:08:47,204 --> 00:08:48,394 it's enough. 182 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:51,203 So if these deep-subsurface microbes 183 00:08:51,227 --> 00:08:54,779 have a very different relationship with energy than we previously thought, 184 00:08:54,803 --> 00:08:56,767 then it follows that they'll have to have 185 00:08:56,791 --> 00:08:58,948 a different relationship with time as well, 186 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:02,067 because when you live on such tiny energy gradients, 187 00:09:02,091 --> 00:09:03,786 rapid growth is impossible. 188 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:06,827 If these things wanted to colonize our throats and make us sick, 189 00:09:06,851 --> 00:09:09,471 they would get muscled out by fast-growing streptococcus 190 00:09:09,495 --> 00:09:11,656 before they could even initiate cell division. 191 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,442 So that's why we never find them in our throats. 192 00:09:15,537 --> 00:09:19,712 Perhaps the fact that the deep subsurface is so boring 193 00:09:19,736 --> 00:09:22,226 is actually an asset to these microbes. 194 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:24,338 They never get washed out by a storm. 195 00:09:24,362 --> 00:09:26,527 They never get overgrown by weeds. 196 00:09:27,125 --> 00:09:30,321 All they have to do is exist. 197 00:09:30,807 --> 00:09:34,817 Maybe that thing that we were missing in our petri dishes 198 00:09:34,841 --> 00:09:36,562 was not food at all. 199 00:09:36,586 --> 00:09:38,064 Maybe it wasn't a chemical. 200 00:09:38,088 --> 00:09:39,914 Maybe the thing that they really want, 201 00:09:39,938 --> 00:09:42,770 the nutrient that they want, is time. 202 00:09:44,095 --> 00:09:47,671 But time is the one thing that I'll never be able to give them. 203 00:09:47,695 --> 00:09:50,909 So even if I have a cell culture that I pass to my PhD students, 204 00:09:50,933 --> 00:09:53,424 who pass it to their PhD students, and so on, 205 00:09:53,448 --> 00:09:56,016 we'd have to do that for thousands of years 206 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,271 in order to mimic the exact conditions of the deep subsurface, 207 00:09:59,295 --> 00:10:01,614 all without growing any contaminants. 208 00:10:01,638 --> 00:10:02,936 It's just not possible. 209 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:06,763 But maybe in a way we already have grown them in our petri dishes. 210 00:10:06,787 --> 00:10:09,597 Maybe they looked at all that food we offered them and said, 211 00:10:09,621 --> 00:10:11,483 "Thanks, I'm going to speed up so much 212 00:10:11,507 --> 00:10:13,747 that I'm going to make a new cell next century. 213 00:10:13,771 --> 00:10:14,932 Ugh. 214 00:10:14,956 --> 00:10:15,995 (Laughter) 215 00:10:16,019 --> 00:10:21,128 So why is it that the rest of biology moves so fast? 216 00:10:21,152 --> 00:10:23,058 Why does a cell die after a day 217 00:10:23,082 --> 00:10:25,593 and a human dies after only a hundred years? 218 00:10:25,617 --> 00:10:28,058 These seem like really arbitrarily short limits 219 00:10:28,082 --> 00:10:31,081 when you think about the total amount of time in the universe. 220 00:10:31,105 --> 00:10:33,916 But these are not arbitrary limits. 221 00:10:33,940 --> 00:10:36,831 They're dictated by one simple thing, 222 00:10:36,855 --> 00:10:38,914 and that thing is the Sun. 223 00:10:39,785 --> 00:10:42,535 Once life figured out how to harness the energy of the Sun 224 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,721 through photosynthesis, 225 00:10:43,745 --> 00:10:46,664 we all had to speed up and get on day and night cycles. 226 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:50,042 In that way, the Sun gave us both a reason to be fast 227 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:51,673 and the fuel to do it. 228 00:10:51,697 --> 00:10:54,556 You can view most of life on Earth like a circulatory system, 229 00:10:54,580 --> 00:10:56,270 and the Sun is our beating heart. 230 00:10:57,064 --> 00:10:59,897 But the deep subsurface is like a circulatory system 231 00:10:59,921 --> 00:11:02,356 that's completely disconnected from the Sun. 232 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:06,872 It's instead being driven by long, slow geological rhythms. 233 00:11:07,933 --> 00:11:13,321 There's currently no theoretical limit on the lifespan of one single cell. 234 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:18,600 As long as there is at least a tiny energy gradient to exploit, 235 00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:20,808 theoretically, a single cell could live 236 00:11:20,832 --> 00:11:22,974 for hundreds of thousands of years or more, 237 00:11:22,998 --> 00:11:25,442 simply by replacing broken parts over time. 238 00:11:26,047 --> 00:11:30,380 To ask a microbe that lives like that to grow in our petri dishes 239 00:11:30,404 --> 00:11:35,467 is to ask them to adapt to our frenetic, Sun-centric, fast way of living, 240 00:11:35,491 --> 00:11:37,984 and maybe they've got better things to do than that. 241 00:11:38,008 --> 00:11:39,317 (Laughter) 242 00:11:39,341 --> 00:11:43,618 Imagine if we could figure out how they managed to do this. 243 00:11:43,642 --> 00:11:46,928 What if it involves some cool, ultra-stable compounds 244 00:11:46,952 --> 00:11:49,213 that we could use to increase the shelf life 245 00:11:49,237 --> 00:11:51,824 in biomedical or industrial applications? 246 00:11:51,848 --> 00:11:54,404 Or maybe if we figure out the mechanism that they use 247 00:11:54,428 --> 00:11:57,546 to grow so extraordinarily slowly, 248 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:00,920 we could mimic it in cancer cells and slow runaway cell division. 249 00:12:01,928 --> 00:12:03,118 I don't know. 250 00:12:03,142 --> 00:12:06,173 I mean, honestly, that is all speculation, 251 00:12:06,197 --> 00:12:08,646 but the only thing I know for certain 252 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:12,743 is that there are a hundred billion billion billlion 253 00:12:12,767 --> 00:12:14,871 living microbial cells 254 00:12:14,895 --> 00:12:17,093 underlying all the world's oceans. 255 00:12:17,117 --> 00:12:21,482 That's 200 times more than the total biomass of humans on this planet. 256 00:12:21,966 --> 00:12:25,672 And those microbes have a fundamentally different relationship 257 00:12:25,696 --> 00:12:27,561 with time and energy than we do. 258 00:12:27,989 --> 00:12:30,231 What seems like a day to them 259 00:12:30,255 --> 00:12:32,572 might be a thousand years to us. 260 00:12:33,072 --> 00:12:35,091 They don't care about the Sun, 261 00:12:35,115 --> 00:12:37,326 and they don't care about growing fast, 262 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:40,247 and they probably don't give a damn about my petri dishes ... 263 00:12:40,271 --> 00:12:41,294 (Laughter) 264 00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:45,260 but if we can continue to find creative ways to study them, 265 00:12:45,284 --> 00:12:51,619 then maybe we'll finally figure out what life, all of life, is like on Earth. 266 00:12:52,031 --> 00:12:53,182 Thank you. 267 00:12:53,206 --> 00:12:54,998 (Applause)