1 00:00:01,365 --> 00:00:04,837 I'm an ocean microbiologist at the University of Tennessee, 2 00:00:04,837 --> 00:00:07,294 and I want to tell you guys about some microbes 3 00:00:07,294 --> 00:00:10,624 that are so strange and wonderful 4 00:00:10,624 --> 00:00:14,451 that they're challenging our assumptions about what life is like on Earth. 5 00:00:14,451 --> 00:00:15,904 So I have a question. 6 00:00:15,904 --> 00:00:18,971 Please raise your hand if you've ever thought it would be cool 7 00:00:18,971 --> 00:00:22,203 to go to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine? 8 00:00:22,623 --> 00:00:23,746 Yes. 9 00:00:23,746 --> 00:00:26,233 Most of you, because the oceans are so cool. 10 00:00:26,233 --> 00:00:28,673 Alright, now, please raise your hand 11 00:00:28,673 --> 00:00:30,697 if the reason you raised your hand 12 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:32,273 to go to the bottom of the ocean in the submarine 13 00:00:32,273 --> 00:00:34,414 is because it would get you a little bit closer 14 00:00:34,414 --> 00:00:38,001 to that exciting mud that's down there. 15 00:00:38,001 --> 00:00:39,576 Nobody. 16 00:00:39,576 --> 00:00:41,515 I'm the only one in this room. 17 00:00:41,515 --> 00:00:43,624 Well, I think about this all the time. 18 00:00:43,624 --> 00:00:45,913 I spend most of my waking hours 19 00:00:45,913 --> 00:00:47,194 trying to determine 20 00:00:47,194 --> 00:00:49,775 how deep we can go into the Earth 21 00:00:49,775 --> 00:00:53,525 and still find something, anything, that's alive, 22 00:00:53,525 --> 00:00:55,977 because we still don't know the answer to this very basic question 23 00:00:55,977 --> 00:00:57,499 about life on Earth. 24 00:00:57,499 --> 00:01:01,084 So in the 1980s, a scientist named John Parks in the UK 25 00:01:01,084 --> 00:01:02,822 was similarly obsessed, 26 00:01:02,822 --> 00:01:06,016 and he came up with a crazy idea. 27 00:01:06,016 --> 00:01:11,197 He believed that there was a vast, deep, and living microbial biosphere 28 00:01:11,197 --> 00:01:13,135 underneath all the world's oceans 29 00:01:13,135 --> 00:01:15,627 that extends hundreds of meters into the seafloor, 30 00:01:15,627 --> 00:01:16,909 which is cool, 31 00:01:16,909 --> 00:01:20,005 but the only problem is that nobody believed him, 32 00:01:20,005 --> 00:01:22,932 and the reason that nobody believed him 33 00:01:22,932 --> 00:01:28,135 is that ocean sediments may be the most boring place on Earth. 34 00:01:28,135 --> 00:01:31,460 There's no sunlight, there's no oxygen, 35 00:01:31,460 --> 00:01:33,023 and perhaps worst of all, 36 00:01:33,023 --> 00:01:34,751 there's no fresh food deliveries 37 00:01:34,751 --> 00:01:37,306 for literally millions of years. 38 00:01:37,306 --> 00:01:39,224 You don't have to have a PhD in biology 39 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:42,595 to know that that is a bad place to go looking for life. 40 00:01:42,595 --> 00:01:47,406 But in 2002, John had convinced enough people that he was on to something 41 00:01:47,406 --> 00:01:51,441 that he actually got an expedition on this drill ship 42 00:01:51,441 --> 00:01:53,297 called the Joides Resolution, 43 00:01:53,297 --> 00:01:56,616 and he ran it along with Bo Barker Jørgensen of Denmark. 44 00:01:56,616 --> 00:02:00,038 And so they were finally able to get some really good pristine 45 00:02:00,038 --> 00:02:01,684 deep sub-surface samples 46 00:02:01,684 --> 00:02:04,373 without contamination from surface microbes. 47 00:02:04,373 --> 00:02:06,277 This drill ship is capable of drilling 48 00:02:06,277 --> 00:02:09,432 thousands of meters underneath the ocean, 49 00:02:09,432 --> 00:02:12,091 and the mud comes up in sequential cores, 50 00:02:12,091 --> 00:02:15,792 one after the other, long, long cores that look like this. 51 00:02:15,792 --> 00:02:19,656 This is being carried by scientists such as myself who go on these ships, 52 00:02:19,656 --> 00:02:21,994 and we process the cores on the ships and then we send them home 53 00:02:21,994 --> 00:02:24,742 to our home laboratories for further study. 54 00:02:24,742 --> 00:02:29,722 So when John and his colleagues got these first precious 55 00:02:29,722 --> 00:02:31,674 deep sea pristine samples, 56 00:02:31,674 --> 00:02:32,446 they put them under the microscope, 57 00:02:32,446 --> 00:02:35,982 and they saw images that looked pretty much like this, 58 00:02:35,982 --> 00:02:38,189 which is actually taken from a more recent expedition 59 00:02:38,189 --> 00:02:40,693 by my PhD student Joy Buongiorno. 60 00:02:40,693 --> 00:02:43,005 You can see the hazy stuff in the background. 61 00:02:43,005 --> 00:02:45,814 That's mud. That's deep sea ocean mud, 62 00:02:45,814 --> 00:02:49,643 and the bright green dots stained with the green fluorescent dye 63 00:02:49,643 --> 00:02:53,373 are real, living microbes. 64 00:02:53,373 --> 00:02:56,223 Now I've got to tell you all something really tragic about microbes. 65 00:02:56,223 --> 00:02:58,134 They all look the same under a microbe, 66 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,104 I mean, to a first approximation. 67 00:03:00,104 --> 00:03:03,282 You can take the most fascinating organisms in the world, 68 00:03:03,282 --> 00:03:07,415 like a microbe that literally breathes uranium, 69 00:03:07,415 --> 00:03:09,760 and another one that makes rocket fuel, 70 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,483 mix them up with some ocean mud, 71 00:03:11,483 --> 00:03:13,499 put them underneath a microscope, 72 00:03:13,499 --> 00:03:15,597 and they're just little dots. 73 00:03:15,597 --> 00:03:17,051 It's really annoying. 74 00:03:17,051 --> 00:03:19,426 So we can't use their looks to tell them apart. 75 00:03:19,426 --> 00:03:21,780 We have to use DNA like a fingerprint 76 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:23,438 to say who is who. 77 00:03:23,438 --> 00:03:26,382 And I'll teach you guys how to do it right now. 78 00:03:26,382 --> 00:03:29,536 So I made up some data, and I'm going to show you some data that are not real. 79 00:03:29,536 --> 00:03:31,900 This is to illustrate what it would look like 80 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,749 if a bunch of species were not related to each other at all. 81 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:38,964 So you can see each species 82 00:03:38,964 --> 00:03:43,387 has a list of combinations of A, G, C, and T, 83 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:45,057 which are the four sub-units of DNA, 84 00:03:45,057 --> 00:03:48,802 sort of randomly jumbled and nothing looks like anything else 85 00:03:48,802 --> 00:03:51,345 and these species are totally unrelated to each other. 86 00:03:51,345 --> 00:03:54,814 But this is what real DNA looks like from a gene that these species 87 00:03:54,814 --> 00:03:56,677 happen to share. 88 00:03:56,677 --> 00:03:59,614 Everything lines up nearly perfectly. 89 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:03,079 The chances of getting so many of those vertical columns 90 00:04:03,079 --> 00:04:06,019 where every species has a C or every species has a T 91 00:04:06,019 --> 00:04:09,321 by random chance is infinitesimal. 92 00:04:09,321 --> 00:04:14,178 So we know that all those species had to have had a common ancestor. 93 00:04:14,178 --> 00:04:16,213 They're all relatives of each other. 94 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:18,363 So now I'll tell you who they are. 95 00:04:18,363 --> 00:04:21,166 The top two are us and chimpanzees, 96 00:04:21,166 --> 00:04:25,524 which y'all already knew were related, because, I mean, obviously, 97 00:04:25,524 --> 00:04:29,071 but we're also related to things that we don't look like, 98 00:04:29,071 --> 00:04:33,469 like pine trees and giardia, which is that gastrointestinal disease 99 00:04:33,469 --> 00:04:36,409 you can get if you don't filter your water while you're hiking. 100 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:39,762 We're also related to bacteria like e.coli 101 00:04:39,762 --> 00:04:43,304 and Clostridium difficile, which is a horrible, opportunistic pathogen 102 00:04:43,304 --> 00:04:45,073 that kills lots of people. 103 00:04:45,073 --> 00:04:49,271 But there's of course good microbes here, like Dehalococcoides ethenogenes, 104 00:04:49,271 --> 00:04:51,954 which cleans up our industrial waste for us. 105 00:04:51,954 --> 00:04:54,926 So if I take these DNA sequences, 106 00:04:54,926 --> 00:04:57,690 and then I use them, the similarities and differences between them, 107 00:04:57,690 --> 00:04:59,946 to make a family tree for all of us 108 00:04:59,946 --> 00:05:01,759 so you can see who is closely related, 109 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,540 then this is what it looks like. 110 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:06,071 So you can see clearly at a glance 111 00:05:06,071 --> 00:05:11,317 that things like us and giardia and bunnies and pine trees 112 00:05:11,317 --> 00:05:13,212 are all, like, siblings, 113 00:05:13,212 --> 00:05:16,383 and then the bacteria are, like, our ancient cousins. 114 00:05:16,383 --> 00:05:20,277 But we're kin to every living thing on Earth. 115 00:05:20,277 --> 00:05:22,918 So in my job, on a daily basis, 116 00:05:22,918 --> 00:05:27,583 I get to produce scientific evidence against existential loneliness. 117 00:05:27,583 --> 00:05:30,248 So when we got these first DNA sequences 118 00:05:30,248 --> 00:05:34,532 from the first crews of pristine samples from the deep subsurface, 119 00:05:34,532 --> 00:05:36,169 we wanted to know where they were. 120 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:38,957 So the first thing that we discovered is that they were not aliens, 121 00:05:38,957 --> 00:05:42,874 because we could get their DNA to line up with everything else on Earth. 122 00:05:42,874 --> 00:05:47,113 But now check out where they go on our tree of life. 123 00:05:47,113 --> 00:05:50,794 The first thing you'll notice is that there's a lot of them. 124 00:05:50,794 --> 00:05:54,256 It wasn't just one little species that managed to live in this horrible place. 125 00:05:54,256 --> 00:05:55,927 It's kind of a lot of things. 126 00:05:55,927 --> 00:05:57,621 And the second thing that you'll notice, 127 00:05:57,621 --> 00:06:03,682 hopefully, is that they're not like anything we've ever seen before. 128 00:06:03,682 --> 00:06:05,745 They are as different from each other 129 00:06:05,745 --> 00:06:08,494 as they are from anything that we've known before 130 00:06:08,494 --> 00:06:10,714 as we are from pine trees. 131 00:06:10,714 --> 00:06:13,919 So John Parks was completely correct. 132 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:19,071 He, and we, had discovered a completely new and highly diverse 133 00:06:19,071 --> 00:06:20,969 microbial ecosystem on Earth 134 00:06:20,969 --> 00:06:25,407 that no one even knew existed before the 1980s. 135 00:06:25,407 --> 00:06:27,010 So now we were on a roll. 136 00:06:27,010 --> 00:06:30,637 The next step was to grow these exotic species 137 00:06:30,637 --> 00:06:33,846 in a petri dish so that we could do real experiments on them 138 00:06:33,846 --> 00:06:35,941 like microbiologists are supposed to do. 139 00:06:35,941 --> 00:06:37,674 But no matter what we fed them, 140 00:06:37,674 --> 00:06:39,322 they refused to grow. 141 00:06:39,322 --> 00:06:43,891 Even now, 15 years and many expeditions later, 142 00:06:43,891 --> 00:06:49,422 no human has ever gotten a single one of these exotic deep subsurface microbes 143 00:06:49,422 --> 00:06:51,212 to grow in a petri dish. 144 00:06:51,212 --> 00:06:53,385 And it's not for lack of trying. 145 00:06:53,385 --> 00:06:55,139 That may sound disappointing, 146 00:06:55,139 --> 00:06:57,132 but I actually find it exhilarating, 147 00:06:57,132 --> 00:07:00,787 because it means there are so many tantalizing unknowns to work on. 148 00:07:00,787 --> 00:07:02,842 Like, for instance, my colleagues and I got what we thought 149 00:07:02,842 --> 00:07:04,239 was a really great idea. 150 00:07:04,239 --> 00:07:07,216 We were going to read their genes like a recipe book, 151 00:07:07,216 --> 00:07:10,914 find out what it was they wanted to eat, and put it in their petri dishes, 152 00:07:10,914 --> 00:07:12,987 and then they would grow and be happy. 153 00:07:12,987 --> 00:07:14,404 but then when we looked at their genes, 154 00:07:14,404 --> 00:07:18,220 it turns out that what they wanted to eat was the food we were already feeding them. 155 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:20,480 So that was a total wash. 156 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,481 There was something else that they wanted in their petri dishes 157 00:07:23,481 --> 00:07:26,032 that we were just not giving them. 158 00:07:26,032 --> 00:07:30,178 So by combining measurements from many different places 159 00:07:30,178 --> 00:07:31,205 around the world, 160 00:07:31,205 --> 00:07:34,807 my colleagues at the University of Southern California, 161 00:07:34,807 --> 00:07:36,706 Doug LaRowe and Jan Amend, 162 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:41,504 were able to calculate that each one of these deep sea microbial cells 163 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:44,941 requires only one zeptowatt of power, 164 00:07:44,941 --> 00:07:48,858 and before you get your phones out, a zepto is 10 to the minus 21, 165 00:07:48,858 --> 00:07:50,624 because I know I would want to look that up. 166 00:07:50,624 --> 00:07:52,271 Humans, on the other hand, 167 00:07:52,271 --> 00:07:55,098 require about a hundred watts of power. 168 00:07:55,098 --> 00:07:58,633 So a hundred watts is basically if you take a pineapple 169 00:07:58,633 --> 00:08:04,749 and drop it from about waist height to the ground 881,632 times a day. 170 00:08:04,749 --> 00:08:07,144 If you did that and then linked it up to a turbine, 171 00:08:07,144 --> 00:08:11,187 that would create enough power to make me happen for a day. 172 00:08:11,187 --> 00:08:14,021 A zeptowatt, if you put it in similar terms, 173 00:08:14,021 --> 00:08:18,253 is if you take just one grain of salt 174 00:08:18,253 --> 00:08:21,714 and then you imagine a tiny, tiny, little ball 175 00:08:21,714 --> 00:08:25,473 that is one thousandth of the mass of that one grain of salt 176 00:08:25,473 --> 00:08:28,139 and then you drop it one nanometer, 177 00:08:28,139 --> 00:08:32,177 which is a hundred times smaller than the wavelength of visible light, 178 00:08:32,177 --> 00:08:34,870 once per day. 179 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:38,528 That's all it takes to make these microbes live. 180 00:08:38,528 --> 00:08:44,306 That's less energy than we ever thought would be capable of supporting life, 181 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:47,124 but somehow, amazingly, beautifully, 182 00:08:47,124 --> 00:08:49,230 it's enough. 183 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:52,608 So if these deep subsurface microbes have a very different relationship 184 00:08:52,608 --> 00:08:54,312 with energy than we previously thought, 185 00:08:54,312 --> 00:08:56,172 then it follows that they'll have to have 186 00:08:56,172 --> 00:08:59,096 a different relationship with time as well, 187 00:08:59,096 --> 00:09:02,095 because when you live on such tiny energy gradients, 188 00:09:02,095 --> 00:09:04,010 rapid growth is impossible. 189 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:06,721 If these things ever wanted to colonize our throats and make us sick, 190 00:09:06,721 --> 00:09:09,183 they would get muscled out by fast-growing streptococcus 191 00:09:09,183 --> 00:09:11,774 before they could even initiate cell division. 192 00:09:11,774 --> 00:09:15,469 So that's why we never find them in our throats. 193 00:09:15,469 --> 00:09:19,887 Perhaps the fact that the deep subsurface is so boring 194 00:09:19,887 --> 00:09:22,450 is actually an asset to these microbes. 195 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:24,641 They never get washed out by a storm. 196 00:09:24,641 --> 00:09:27,325 They never get overgrown by weeds. 197 00:09:27,325 --> 00:09:31,063 All they have to do is exist. 198 00:09:31,063 --> 00:09:33,782 Maybe that thing that we were missing 199 00:09:33,782 --> 00:09:36,877 in our petri dishes was not food at all. 200 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:38,288 Maybe it wasn't a chemical. 201 00:09:38,288 --> 00:09:40,203 Maybe the thing that they really want, 202 00:09:40,203 --> 00:09:44,023 the nutrient that they want, is time. 203 00:09:44,023 --> 00:09:47,895 But time is the one thing that I'll never be able to give them. 204 00:09:47,895 --> 00:09:50,978 So even if I have a cell culture that I pass to my PhD students, 205 00:09:50,978 --> 00:09:53,550 who pass it to their PhD students, and so on, 206 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:56,065 we'd have to do that for thousands of years 207 00:09:56,065 --> 00:09:59,495 in order to mimic the exact conditions of the deep subsurface, 208 00:09:59,495 --> 00:10:01,838 all without growing any contaminants. 209 00:10:01,838 --> 00:10:03,885 It's just not possible. 210 00:10:03,885 --> 00:10:07,020 But maybe in a way we already have grown them in our petri dishes. 211 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,521 Maybe they looked at all that food that we offered them and said, 212 00:10:09,521 --> 00:10:11,272 thanks, I'm going to speed up so much 213 00:10:11,272 --> 00:10:13,628 that I'm going to make a new cell next century. 214 00:10:13,628 --> 00:10:14,858 Ugh. 215 00:10:14,858 --> 00:10:16,000 (Laughter) 216 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,361 So why is it that the rest of biology moves so fast? 217 00:10:21,361 --> 00:10:23,100 Why does a cell die after a day 218 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,817 and a human dies after only a hundred years? 219 00:10:25,817 --> 00:10:28,226 These seem like really arbitrarily short limits 220 00:10:28,226 --> 00:10:31,041 when you think about the total amount of time in the universe. 221 00:10:31,041 --> 00:10:34,140 But these are not arbitrary limits. 222 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:37,055 They're dictated by one simple thing, 223 00:10:37,055 --> 00:10:39,985 and that thing is the Sun. 224 00:10:39,985 --> 00:10:41,852 Once life figured out how to harness 225 00:10:41,852 --> 00:10:43,927 the energy of the Sun through photosynthesis, 226 00:10:43,927 --> 00:10:46,920 we all had to speed up and get on day and night cycles. 227 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,266 In that way, the Sun gave us both a reason to be fast 228 00:10:50,266 --> 00:10:51,989 and the fuel to do it. 229 00:10:51,989 --> 00:10:54,689 You can view most of life on Earth like a circulatory system, 230 00:10:54,689 --> 00:10:56,803 and the Sun is our beating heart. 231 00:10:56,803 --> 00:11:00,008 But the deep subsurface is like a circulatory system 232 00:11:00,008 --> 00:11:02,620 that's completely disconnected from the Sun. 233 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:08,141 It's instead being driven by long, slow geological rhythms. 234 00:11:08,141 --> 00:11:10,996 There's currently no theoretical limit 235 00:11:10,996 --> 00:11:14,865 on the lifespan of one single cell. 236 00:11:14,865 --> 00:11:18,410 As long as there is at least a tiny energy gradient to exploit, 237 00:11:18,410 --> 00:11:22,582 theoretically, a single cell could live for hundreds of thousands of years 238 00:11:22,582 --> 00:11:26,287 or more, simply by replacing broken parts over time. 239 00:11:26,287 --> 00:11:30,483 To ask a microbe that lives like that to grow in our petri dishes 240 00:11:30,483 --> 00:11:35,343 is to ask them to adapt to our frenetic, Sun-centric, fast way of living, 241 00:11:35,343 --> 00:11:38,341 and maybe they've got better things to do than that. 242 00:11:38,341 --> 00:11:39,575 (Laughter) 243 00:11:39,575 --> 00:11:43,875 Imagine if we could figure out how they managed to do this. 244 00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:46,898 What if it involves some cool, ultra-stable compounds 245 00:11:46,898 --> 00:11:49,247 that we could use to increase the shelf life 246 00:11:49,247 --> 00:11:52,003 in biomedical or industrial applications? 247 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:54,257 Or maybe if we figure out the mechanism that they use 248 00:11:54,257 --> 00:11:57,394 to grow so extraordinarily slowly, 249 00:11:57,394 --> 00:12:01,348 we could mimic it in cancer cells and slow runaway cell division. 250 00:12:01,348 --> 00:12:03,198 I don't know. 251 00:12:03,198 --> 00:12:05,926 I mean, honestly, that is all speculation, 252 00:12:05,926 --> 00:12:08,870 but the only thing I know for certain 253 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:12,967 is that there are a hundred billion billion billlion 254 00:12:12,967 --> 00:12:17,286 living microbial cells underlying all the world's oceans. 255 00:12:17,286 --> 00:12:21,968 That's 200 times more than the total biomass of humans on this planet. 256 00:12:21,968 --> 00:12:25,470 And those microbes have a fundamentally different relationship 257 00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:28,056 with time and energy than we do. 258 00:12:28,056 --> 00:12:30,279 What seems like a day to them 259 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:33,226 might be a thousand years to us. 260 00:12:33,226 --> 00:12:35,315 They don't care about the Sun, 261 00:12:35,315 --> 00:12:37,427 and they don't care about growing fast, 262 00:12:37,427 --> 00:12:41,118 and they probably don't give a damn about my petri dishes, 263 00:12:41,118 --> 00:12:45,416 but if we can continue to find creative ways to study them, 264 00:12:45,416 --> 00:12:52,231 then maybe we'll finally figure out what life, all of life, is like on Earth. 265 00:12:52,231 --> 00:12:53,638 Thank you. 266 00:12:53,638 --> 00:12:55,105 (Applause)