WEBVTT 00:00:12.495 --> 00:00:14.168 Before I begin my presentation 00:00:14.168 --> 00:00:17.717 I want to say it's a great honor for me to be part of a program 00:00:17.717 --> 00:00:19.760 with so many impressive women. 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:21.960 I also want to say thank you to the organizers 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:23.918 [who invited] me to be part of this. 00:00:23.918 --> 00:00:26.145 It's important that I say and that men say 00:00:26.145 --> 00:00:28.110 when we do the work that we do, 00:00:28.110 --> 00:00:30.642 especially in the field of gender violence prevention 00:00:30.642 --> 00:00:33.152 that I'm going to talk with you about this morning, 00:00:33.152 --> 00:00:36.361 it's important that we acknowledge that the growing movement of men 00:00:36.361 --> 00:00:38.765 in the United States in a multicultural sense 00:00:38.765 --> 00:00:41.225 and all around the world in an international sense, 00:00:41.225 --> 00:00:42.974 the growing movement of men 00:00:42.974 --> 00:00:44.843 who are standing up and speaking out 00:00:44.843 --> 00:00:46.606 about men's violence against women, 00:00:46.606 --> 00:00:48.321 and going into parts of male culture 00:00:48.321 --> 00:00:50.717 that have historically been either apathetic about 00:00:50.717 --> 00:00:53.692 or openly hostile to women's efforts to engage them, 00:00:53.692 --> 00:00:55.550 that movement of men 00:00:55.550 --> 00:00:57.971 is indebted to the leadership of women 00:00:57.971 --> 00:00:59.165 on a personal level, 00:00:59.165 --> 00:01:00.530 on a professional level, 00:01:00.530 --> 00:01:01.601 on political level, 00:01:01.601 --> 00:01:02.824 on an intellectual level, 00:01:02.824 --> 00:01:03.794 on every level - 00:01:03.794 --> 00:01:05.544 women built these movements 00:01:05.544 --> 00:01:07.604 and these are movements that are affecting 00:01:07.604 --> 00:01:09.000 in a positive way everybody. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:10.260 Not just women and girls 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:11.469 but also men and boys. 00:01:11.469 --> 00:01:13.407 And often times men like myself 00:01:13.407 --> 00:01:16.987 get a lot of credit and public acclaim for doing the work 00:01:17.009 --> 00:01:19.174 that women have been doing for a long time. 00:01:19.174 --> 00:01:21.569 So one of the ways that we can use the spotlight 00:01:21.569 --> 00:01:23.905 is to thank women and honor women's leadership, 00:01:23.905 --> 00:01:27.614 going forward today, tomorrow, and you know, into the future. 00:01:28.928 --> 00:01:32.607 (Applause) 00:01:33.050 --> 00:01:34.327 Having said that, 00:01:34.327 --> 00:01:37.758 I'm going to share with you a paradigm shifting perspective 00:01:37.973 --> 00:01:39.658 on the issues of gender violence - 00:01:39.658 --> 00:01:43.220 sexual assault, domestic violence, relationship abuse, sexual harassment, 00:01:43.220 --> 00:01:45.734 sexual abuse of children, that whole range of issues 00:01:45.734 --> 00:01:48.600 that I'll refer to in short hand as gender violence issues. 00:01:48.600 --> 00:01:52.467 They have been seen as women's issues that some good men help out with. 00:01:52.467 --> 00:01:55.260 But I have a problem with that frame and I don't accept it. 00:01:55.260 --> 00:01:58.646 I don't see these as women's issues that some good men help out with. 00:01:58.646 --> 00:02:02.529 In fact I'm going to argue that these are men's issues, first and foremost. 00:02:02.529 --> 00:02:05.614 (Applause) 00:02:05.614 --> 00:02:08.531 Obviously, they are also women's issues, so I appreciate that, 00:02:08.531 --> 00:02:11.788 but calling gender violence a women's issue 00:02:11.788 --> 00:02:14.565 is part of the problem, for a number of reasons. 00:02:14.565 --> 00:02:16.408 The first is, it gives men an excuse 00:02:16.408 --> 00:02:18.215 not to pay attention, right? 00:02:18.215 --> 00:02:20.321 A lot of men hear the term 'women's issues' 00:02:20.321 --> 00:02:22.371 and we tend to tune it out, and we think 00:02:22.371 --> 00:02:24.942 "Hey, I'm a guy, that's for the girls, for the women." 00:02:24.942 --> 00:02:28.521 And a lot of men literally don't get beyond the first sentence as a result. 00:02:28.521 --> 00:02:30.858 It's almost like a chip in our brain is activated, 00:02:30.858 --> 00:02:34.102 and the neural pathways take our attention in a different direction 00:02:34.102 --> 00:02:36.230 when we hear the term "women's issues". 00:02:36.230 --> 00:02:38.565 This is also true by the way of the word "gender" 00:02:38.565 --> 00:02:40.736 because a lot of people hear the word "gender" 00:02:40.736 --> 00:02:42.450 and they think it means "women". 00:02:42.450 --> 00:02:45.644 So they think "gender issues" is synonymous with "women's issues". 00:02:45.644 --> 00:02:47.936 There is some confusion about the term "gender", 00:02:47.936 --> 00:02:51.085 and actually let me illustrate that confusion by a way of analogy. 00:02:51.085 --> 00:02:53.008 So let's talk for a moment about race. 00:02:53.008 --> 00:02:54.913 In the US, when we hear the word "race", 00:02:54.937 --> 00:02:57.295 a lot of people think that means African-American, 00:02:57.295 --> 00:02:59.744 Latino, Asian-American, Native American, 00:02:59.744 --> 00:03:01.871 South Asian, Pacific, on and on. 00:03:01.871 --> 00:03:04.856 A lot of people, when they hear the word "sexual orientation", 00:03:04.856 --> 00:03:07.688 think it means "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual". 00:03:07.688 --> 00:03:10.228 And a lot of people when they hear the word "gender", 00:03:10.228 --> 00:03:11.516 think it means "women". 00:03:11.516 --> 00:03:12.528 In each case, 00:03:12.528 --> 00:03:15.256 the dominant group doesn't get paid attention to, right? 00:03:15.256 --> 00:03:18.194 As if white people don't have some sort of racial identity, 00:03:18.194 --> 00:03:20.474 or belong to some racial category or construct? 00:03:20.474 --> 00:03:23.351 As if heterosexual people don't have a sexual orientation? 00:03:23.351 --> 00:03:25.870 As if men don't have a gender? 00:03:25.870 --> 00:03:27.137 This is one of the ways 00:03:27.137 --> 00:03:29.829 that dominant systems maintain and reproduce themselves, 00:03:29.829 --> 00:03:30.787 which is to say 00:03:30.787 --> 00:03:34.380 the dominant group is rarely challenged to even think about it's dominance, 00:03:34.380 --> 00:03:37.661 because that's one of the key characteristics of power and privilege: 00:03:37.661 --> 00:03:40.160 the ability to go unexamined, lacking introspection, 00:03:40.160 --> 00:03:43.948 in fact being rendered invisible in large measure 00:03:43.948 --> 00:03:47.502 in the discourse about issues that are primarily about us. 00:03:47.502 --> 00:03:49.199 And this is amazing how this works 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:50.778 in domestic and sexual violence, 00:03:50.778 --> 00:03:52.714 how men have been largely erased 00:03:52.714 --> 00:03:54.347 from so much of the conversation 00:03:54.347 --> 00:03:57.303 about a subject that is centrally about men. 00:03:57.303 --> 00:03:59.698 And I'm going to illustrate what I'm talking about 00:03:59.698 --> 00:04:01.242 by using the old-tech. 00:04:01.242 --> 00:04:03.786 I'm old school on some fundamental regards. 00:04:03.786 --> 00:04:06.151 I make films, I work with high-tech, 00:04:06.151 --> 00:04:08.636 but I'm still old school as an educator. 00:04:08.636 --> 00:04:11.658 And I want to share with you this exercise, 00:04:11.658 --> 00:04:14.000 that illustrates on a sentence structure level 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.288 how the way that we think, 00:04:16.288 --> 00:04:18.462 literally the way that we use language, 00:04:18.462 --> 00:04:20.873 conspires to keep our attention off of men. 00:04:20.873 --> 00:04:23.198 This is about domestic violence in particular 00:04:23.198 --> 00:04:26.505 but you can plug in other analogues. 00:04:26.681 --> 00:04:29.751 This comes from the work of the feminist linguist Julia Penelope. 00:04:29.751 --> 00:04:32.223 It starts with a very basic English sentence 00:04:32.223 --> 00:04:36.883 "John beat Mary" - that's a good English sentence, 00:04:36.883 --> 00:04:39.700 John is the subject, beat is the verb, Mary is the object. 00:04:39.700 --> 00:04:40.641 good sentence. 00:04:40.641 --> 00:04:42.923 Now we're going to move to the second sentence 00:04:42.923 --> 00:04:45.341 which says the same thing in the passive voice: 00:04:45.341 --> 00:04:48.831 "Mary was beaten by John" 00:04:51.441 --> 00:04:54.145 and now a whole lot has happened in one sentence. 00:04:54.145 --> 00:04:56.578 We've gone from "John beat Mary" to 00:04:56.578 --> 00:04:59.039 "Mary was beaten by John", we've shifted our focus 00:04:59.039 --> 00:05:01.545 in one sentence, from John to Mary. 00:05:01.545 --> 00:05:04.532 And you can see John is very close to the end of the sentence, 00:05:04.532 --> 00:05:07.173 close to dropping off the map of our psychic plane. 00:05:07.173 --> 00:05:09.732 The third sentence, John is dropped, and we have, 00:05:09.732 --> 00:05:14.337 "Mary was beaten" and now it's all about Mary. 00:05:14.337 --> 00:05:17.488 We're not even thinking about John, it's totally focussed on Mary. 00:05:17.488 --> 00:05:18.745 Over the past generation 00:05:18.745 --> 00:05:21.720 the term we've used synonymous with "beaten" is "battered", 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.067 so we have, "Mary was battered." 00:05:25.201 --> 00:05:27.173 And the final sentence in this sequence, 00:05:27.173 --> 00:05:29.236 flowing from the others, 00:05:29.236 --> 00:05:31.674 is "Mary is a battered woman." 00:05:31.674 --> 00:05:34.113 So now Mary's very identity, 00:05:34.113 --> 00:05:36.895 "Mary is a battered woman," 00:05:39.456 --> 00:05:42.053 is what was done to her by John in the first instance, 00:05:42.053 --> 00:05:43.197 but we've demonstrated 00:05:43.197 --> 00:05:45.358 that John has long ago left the conversation. 00:05:45.358 --> 00:05:48.538 Now those of us who work in domestic and sexual violence field know 00:05:48.538 --> 00:05:50.998 that victim blaming is pervasive in this realm, 00:05:50.998 --> 00:05:51.941 which is to say 00:05:51.941 --> 00:05:54.155 blaming the person to whom something was done 00:05:54.155 --> 00:05:55.777 rather than the person who did it. 00:05:55.777 --> 00:05:56.882 And we say things like, 00:05:56.882 --> 00:05:58.843 Why do these women go out with these men? 00:05:58.843 --> 00:06:01.711 Why are they attracted to them? Why do they keep going back? 00:06:01.711 --> 00:06:03.484 What was she wearing at that party? 00:06:03.484 --> 00:06:06.616 Why was she drinking with this group of guys in that hotel room? 00:06:06.616 --> 00:06:07.639 This is victim blaming. 00:06:07.652 --> 00:06:09.513 And there are numerous reasons for it, 00:06:09.513 --> 00:06:12.005 but one of them is that our whole cognitive structure 00:06:12.005 --> 00:06:13.618 is set up to blame victims. 00:06:13.618 --> 00:06:15.066 It's all unconscious, 00:06:15.066 --> 00:06:17.733 our whole cognitive structure is set up to ask questions 00:06:17.733 --> 00:06:19.759 about women and women's choices, 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.971 and what they are doing, thinking and wearing. 00:06:21.971 --> 00:06:25.295 And I'm not going to shout down people who ask questions about women, 00:06:25.295 --> 00:06:26.913 it's a legitimate thing to ask. 00:06:26.913 --> 00:06:28.149 But let's be clear. 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:30.994 Asking questions about Mary is not going to get us anywhere 00:06:30.994 --> 00:06:32.559 in terms of preventing violence. 00:06:32.559 --> 00:06:34.691 We have to ask a different set of questions 00:06:34.691 --> 00:06:36.540 and you see where I'm going with this. 00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:38.864 The questions are not about Mary, but about John. 00:06:38.864 --> 00:06:39.829 The questions like, 00:06:39.829 --> 00:06:41.006 Why does John beat Mary? 00:06:41.006 --> 00:06:44.104 Why is domestic violence still a big problem in the Unites States 00:06:44.104 --> 00:06:46.063 and all over the world? What's going on? 00:06:46.063 --> 00:06:47.712 Why so many men abuse 00:06:47.712 --> 00:06:50.099 physically, emotionally, verbally and in other ways 00:06:50.099 --> 00:06:53.198 the women and girls and the men and boys that they claim to love? 00:06:53.198 --> 00:06:54.443 What's going on with men? 00:06:54.443 --> 00:06:57.708 Why do so many adult men sexually abuse little girls and little boys? 00:06:57.708 --> 00:06:59.797 Why is that a common problem in our society 00:06:59.797 --> 00:07:01.605 and all over the world today? 00:07:01.605 --> 00:07:03.413 Why we hear over and over again about 00:07:03.413 --> 00:07:05.426 new scandals erupting in major institutions 00:07:05.426 --> 00:07:08.514 like the Catholic Church or the Penn State Football Program 00:07:08.534 --> 00:07:10.880 or the Boy Scouts of America? On and on and on! 00:07:10.880 --> 00:07:13.956 And in local communities all over the country and all the world. 00:07:13.956 --> 00:07:17.180 We hear about it all the time - sexual abuse of children. 00:07:17.180 --> 00:07:18.770 What's going on with men? 00:07:18.770 --> 00:07:20.489 Why do so many men rape women 00:07:20.530 --> 00:07:22.439 in our society and around the world? 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.560 Why do so many men rape other men? 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.066 What is going on with men? 00:07:26.066 --> 00:07:27.233 And then - 00:07:27.233 --> 00:07:30.511 What is the role of the various institutions in our society 00:07:30.511 --> 00:07:33.517 that are helping to produce the abuse of men at pandemic rates? 00:07:33.517 --> 00:07:35.994 Because this is not about individual perpetrators. 00:07:35.994 --> 00:07:37.700 That's a naive way of understanding 00:07:37.700 --> 00:07:40.620 what is a much deeper and more systematic social problem. 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:42.969 You know, the perpetrators aren't these monsters 00:07:42.969 --> 00:07:45.372 who crawl out of the swamp and come into town 00:07:45.372 --> 00:07:46.856 and do their nasty business 00:07:46.856 --> 00:07:48.609 and then retreat into the darkness. 00:07:48.609 --> 00:07:50.336 That's a very naive notion, right? 00:07:50.336 --> 00:07:54.042 Perpetrators are much more normal than that and everyday than that. 00:07:54.045 --> 00:07:55.159 So the questions is, 00:07:55.159 --> 00:07:58.054 What are we doing here in our society 00:07:58.054 --> 00:07:59.199 and in the world? 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.306 What are the roles of various institutions 00:08:01.306 --> 00:08:03.142 in helping to produce abusive men? 00:08:03.142 --> 00:08:05.295 What is the role of religious belief systems? 00:08:05.295 --> 00:08:07.449 The sports culture, the pornography culture, 00:08:07.449 --> 00:08:09.425 the family structure, economics? 00:08:09.425 --> 00:08:10.593 And how that intersects? 00:08:10.593 --> 00:08:12.924 And race and ethnicity and how that intersects? 00:08:12.924 --> 00:08:14.309 How does all this work? 00:08:14.309 --> 00:08:17.026 And then, once we start making those kinds of connections 00:08:17.026 --> 00:08:19.216 and asking those important and big questions, 00:08:19.216 --> 00:08:22.053 then we can talk about how can we be transformative. 00:08:22.053 --> 00:08:24.420 You know, how can we do something differently, 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:25.975 how can we change the practices? 00:08:25.975 --> 00:08:28.099 How can we change the socialization of boys 00:08:28.099 --> 00:08:29.638 and the definitions of manhood 00:08:29.638 --> 00:08:31.449 that lead to these current outcomes? 00:08:31.449 --> 00:08:32.988 These are the kind of questions 00:08:32.988 --> 00:08:34.414 that we need to be asking 00:08:34.414 --> 00:08:36.696 and the kind of work that we need to be doing. 00:08:36.696 --> 00:08:38.336 But if we're endlessly focused on 00:08:38.336 --> 00:08:40.077 what women are doing and thinking 00:08:40.077 --> 00:08:41.768 in relationships or elsewhere 00:08:41.768 --> 00:08:43.903 we're not going to get to that piece. 00:08:43.903 --> 00:08:44.916 Now I understand 00:08:44.916 --> 00:08:48.441 that a lot of women who have been trying to speak out about these issues 00:08:48.441 --> 00:08:50.620 today and yesterday and for years and years 00:08:50.620 --> 00:08:52.642 often get shouted down for their efforts. 00:08:52.642 --> 00:08:54.247 They get called nasty names like 00:08:54.247 --> 00:08:55.297 "male-basher" 00:08:55.297 --> 00:08:56.555 and "man-hater" 00:08:56.555 --> 00:09:01.385 and the disgusting and offensive "feminazi". 00:09:03.131 --> 00:09:04.131 Right? 00:09:04.131 --> 00:09:05.902 And you know what all this is about? 00:09:05.902 --> 00:09:07.694 It's called "kill the messenger". 00:09:07.694 --> 00:09:10.449 It's because the women who are standing up and speaking up 00:09:10.449 --> 00:09:12.107 for themselves and for other women 00:09:12.107 --> 00:09:13.622 as well as for men and boys, 00:09:13.622 --> 00:09:15.954 it's a statement to them to sit down and shut up. 00:09:15.975 --> 00:09:17.700 Keep this current system in place 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:20.180 because we don't like it when people rock the boat, 00:09:20.180 --> 00:09:22.754 we don't like it when people challenge our power. 00:09:22.754 --> 00:09:24.955 You better sit down and shut up, basically. 00:09:24.955 --> 00:09:27.416 And thank goodness that women haven't done that! 00:09:27.417 --> 00:09:29.476 Thank goodness that we live in a world 00:09:29.476 --> 00:09:31.576 where there is so much women's leadership 00:09:31.596 --> 00:09:32.856 that can counteract that. 00:09:32.856 --> 00:09:35.767 But one of the powerful roles that men can play in this work 00:09:35.767 --> 00:09:38.685 is that we can say some things that sometimes women can't say. 00:09:38.696 --> 00:09:39.799 Or better yet, 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:41.484 we can be heard saying some things 00:09:41.484 --> 00:09:43.367 that women often can't be heard saying. 00:09:43.367 --> 00:09:46.639 Now I appreciate, that's a problem, it's sexism, but it's the truth. 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.645 And so one of the things my colleagues and I always say, is, 00:09:49.645 --> 00:09:52.204 we need more men who have the courage and the strength 00:09:52.204 --> 00:09:53.490 to start standing up 00:09:53.490 --> 00:09:54.995 and saying some of this stuff 00:09:54.995 --> 00:09:57.195 and standing with women and not against them 00:09:57.195 --> 00:10:00.084 pretending that somehow this is a battle between the sexes 00:10:00.084 --> 00:10:01.465 and other kinds of nonsense. 00:10:01.465 --> 00:10:03.011 We live in the world together. 00:10:03.011 --> 00:10:05.671 And by the way, one of things that really bothers me 00:10:05.671 --> 00:10:08.293 about some of the rhetoric against feminist and others 00:10:08.293 --> 00:10:11.857 who have built the battered women's, and crisis movements around the world 00:10:11.857 --> 00:10:13.277 is that somehow, like I said, 00:10:13.277 --> 00:10:14.602 that they're "anti male". 00:10:14.602 --> 00:10:16.864 What about the boys who are profoundly affected 00:10:16.864 --> 00:10:17.805 in a negative way, 00:10:17.805 --> 00:10:20.413 by what some adult man is doing against their mother, 00:10:20.413 --> 00:10:21.769 themselves, their sisters? 00:10:21.769 --> 00:10:23.184 What about all those boys? 00:10:23.184 --> 00:10:24.979 What about all the young men and boys 00:10:24.979 --> 00:10:27.504 who have been traumatized by adult men's violence? 00:10:27.504 --> 00:10:28.268 You know what, 00:10:28.268 --> 00:10:30.746 the same system that produces men who abuse women, 00:10:30.746 --> 00:10:32.399 produces men who abuse other men. 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.557 And if you want to talk about male victims, let's talk about them. 00:10:35.557 --> 00:10:37.195 Most male victims of violence 00:10:37.195 --> 00:10:39.203 are the victims of other men's violence. 00:10:39.203 --> 00:10:40.295 So it's something 00:10:40.295 --> 00:10:42.263 that both women and men have in common. 00:10:42.263 --> 00:10:44.405 We are both victims of men's violence. 00:10:44.405 --> 00:10:46.415 So we have it in our direct self-interest - 00:10:46.415 --> 00:10:49.043 not to mention the fact that most men that I know 00:10:49.043 --> 00:10:51.328 have women and girls that we care deeply about. 00:10:51.328 --> 00:10:53.458 In our families, in our friendship circles, 00:10:53.458 --> 00:10:54.626 and in every other way. 00:10:54.626 --> 00:10:57.361 So there is so many reasons why we need men to speak out. 00:10:57.361 --> 00:10:59.703 It seems obvious saying it out loud doesn't it? 00:11:00.590 --> 00:11:03.226 The nature of the work that I do and my colleagues do, 00:11:03.226 --> 00:11:06.468 in the sports culture, in the US military, in schools, 00:11:06.483 --> 00:11:08.204 we pioneer this approach 00:11:08.204 --> 00:11:09.891 called the "bystander approach" 00:11:09.891 --> 00:11:11.598 to gender violence prevention. 00:11:11.598 --> 00:11:13.051 And I just want to give you 00:11:13.051 --> 00:11:15.153 the highlights of the bystander approach, 00:11:15.153 --> 00:11:17.356 because it's a big, sort of, thematic shift, 00:11:17.356 --> 00:11:19.302 although there is lots of particulars. 00:11:19.302 --> 00:11:20.476 The heart of it is: 00:11:20.476 --> 00:11:22.764 Instead of seeing men as perpetrators, 00:11:22.764 --> 00:11:24.369 women as victims, 00:11:24.369 --> 00:11:27.394 or women as perpetrators, men as victims, 00:11:27.394 --> 00:11:29.126 or any combination in there. 00:11:29.136 --> 00:11:30.609 I'm using the gender binary. 00:11:30.609 --> 00:11:32.584 I know there is more than men and women, 00:11:32.584 --> 00:11:34.238 more than male and female. 00:11:34.238 --> 00:11:36.297 And there are women who are perpetrators, 00:11:36.297 --> 00:11:39.520 and of course men who are victims, there's a whole spectrum. 00:11:39.520 --> 00:11:41.748 But instead of seeing it in a binary fashion, 00:11:41.748 --> 00:11:44.392 we focus on all of us as what we call bystanders. 00:11:44.392 --> 00:11:46.277 And a bystander is defined as anybody 00:11:46.277 --> 00:11:49.547 who is not a perpetrator or a victim in a given situation. 00:11:49.925 --> 00:11:51.007 So in other words: 00:11:51.007 --> 00:11:53.181 friends, teammates, colleagues, coworkers, 00:11:53.181 --> 00:11:54.447 family members, 00:11:54.447 --> 00:11:57.587 those of us who are not directly involved in a dyad of abuse. 00:11:57.587 --> 00:11:59.408 But we are embedded 00:11:59.408 --> 00:12:01.282 in social family, work, school, 00:12:01.282 --> 00:12:03.027 and other peer culture relationships 00:12:03.027 --> 00:12:05.378 with people who might be in that situation. 00:12:05.378 --> 00:12:07.114 What do we do? How do we speak up? 00:12:07.114 --> 00:12:08.886 How do we challnge our friends? 00:12:08.886 --> 00:12:10.480 How do we support our friends? 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:13.182 But how do we not remain silent in the face of abuse? 00:12:13.182 --> 00:12:15.436 Now when it comes to men and male culture, 00:12:15.436 --> 00:12:18.717 the goal is to get men who are not abusive to challenge men who are. 00:12:18.717 --> 00:12:19.939 And when I say abusive, 00:12:19.939 --> 00:12:22.034 I don't mean just men who are beating women. 00:12:22.034 --> 00:12:23.799 We're not just saying that a men 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.421 whose friend is abusing his girlfriend 00:12:26.421 --> 00:12:29.226 needs to stop the guy, at the moment of attack. 00:12:29.226 --> 00:12:33.484 I mean, that's a naive way of creating a social change. 00:12:33.638 --> 00:12:35.665 It's along a continuum 00:12:35.665 --> 00:12:37.961 we're trying to get men to interrupt each other. 00:12:37.961 --> 00:12:39.509 So for example if you are a guy 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:41.122 and you are in a group of guys, 00:12:41.122 --> 00:12:43.679 playing poker, talking, hanging out, no women present, 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:44.830 and another guy says 00:12:44.830 --> 00:12:49.149 something sexist or degrading or harassing about women, 00:12:49.805 --> 00:12:51.335 instead of laughing along 00:12:51.335 --> 00:12:53.070 or pretending you didn't hear it, 00:12:53.070 --> 00:12:54.138 we need men to say, 00:12:54.138 --> 00:12:55.450 "Hey, that's not funny." 00:12:55.450 --> 00:12:58.245 "You know it could be my sister you're talking about. 00:12:58.245 --> 00:13:00.319 Can you joke about something else?" 00:13:00.319 --> 00:13:02.426 or "I don't appreciate that kind of talk." 00:13:02.426 --> 00:13:04.245 Just like if you are a white person 00:13:04.245 --> 00:13:06.560 and another white person makes a racist comment, 00:13:06.560 --> 00:13:07.727 you'd hope - I hope - 00:13:07.727 --> 00:13:10.787 that white people would interrupt that racist enactment 00:13:10.787 --> 00:13:12.148 by a fellow white person. 00:13:12.148 --> 00:13:13.733 Just like with heterosexism, 00:13:13.733 --> 00:13:15.383 if you are a heterosexual person, 00:13:15.383 --> 00:13:18.213 and you yourself don't enact harassing or abusive behavior 00:13:18.213 --> 00:13:20.422 towards people of varying sexual orientations. 00:13:20.422 --> 00:13:21.837 If you don't say something 00:13:21.837 --> 00:13:25.101 in the face of other heterosexual people doing that, then in a sense, 00:13:25.101 --> 00:13:27.534 isn't your silence a form of consent and complicity? 00:13:27.534 --> 00:13:28.923 Well, the bystander approach 00:13:28.923 --> 00:13:31.652 is trying to give people tools to interrupt that process 00:13:31.652 --> 00:13:32.836 and to speak up 00:13:32.836 --> 00:13:34.624 and to create a peer culture climate 00:13:34.624 --> 00:13:37.316 where the abusive behaviour will be seen as unacceptable, 00:13:37.316 --> 00:13:38.888 not just because it's illegal, 00:13:38.888 --> 00:13:41.767 but because it's wrong and unacceptable in the peer culture. 00:13:41.767 --> 00:13:43.605 And if we can get to the place 00:13:43.605 --> 00:13:45.409 where men who act out in sexist ways 00:13:45.409 --> 00:13:46.468 will loose status, 00:13:46.468 --> 00:13:49.254 young men and boys who act out in sexist and harassing ways 00:13:49.254 --> 00:13:50.579 towards girls and women, 00:13:50.579 --> 00:13:52.475 as well as towards other boys and men, 00:13:52.475 --> 00:13:54.706 will loose status as result of it, guess what? 00:13:54.706 --> 00:13:57.225 We'll see a radical diminution of the abuse, 00:13:57.225 --> 00:14:00.018 because the typical perpetrator is not sick and twisted, 00:14:00.018 --> 00:14:02.437 he's normal guy in every other way, isn't he? 00:14:03.821 --> 00:14:05.495 Among the many great things 00:14:05.495 --> 00:14:08.021 that Martin Luther King said in his short life was, 00:14:08.021 --> 00:14:11.277 "In the end, what will hurt most is not the words of our enemies, 00:14:11.277 --> 00:14:12.950 but the silence of our friends." 00:14:12.950 --> 00:14:16.254 "In the end, what will hurt most is not the words of our enemies, 00:14:16.254 --> 00:14:17.884 but the silence of our friends." 00:14:17.884 --> 00:14:20.451 There has been an awful lot of silence in male culture 00:14:20.451 --> 00:14:21.854 about this ongoing tragedy 00:14:21.854 --> 00:14:24.665 of men's violence against women and children, hasn't there? 00:14:24.665 --> 00:14:26.545 There has been an awful lot of silence. 00:14:26.545 --> 00:14:27.973 And all I'm saying 00:14:27.973 --> 00:14:29.907 is that we need to break that silence. 00:14:29.907 --> 00:14:31.795 And we need more men to do that. 00:14:32.742 --> 00:14:34.564 It's easier said than done. 00:14:34.564 --> 00:14:36.868 Because, I'm saying it now, but I'm telling you, 00:14:36.868 --> 00:14:38.620 it's not easy in male culture 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:40.376 for guys to challenge each other. 00:14:40.376 --> 00:14:42.637 Which is one of the reasons why, 00:14:42.637 --> 00:14:44.838 part of the paradigm shift that has to happen 00:14:44.838 --> 00:14:48.011 is not just understanding these issues as men's issues, 00:14:48.011 --> 00:14:50.275 but they are also leadership issues for men. 00:14:50.275 --> 00:14:51.765 Ultimately, the responsibility 00:14:51.765 --> 00:14:53.626 for taking a stand on these issues 00:14:53.626 --> 00:14:55.959 should not fall on the shoulders of little boys 00:14:55.959 --> 00:14:57.547 or teenage boys in high school 00:14:57.547 --> 00:14:58.743 or college men. 00:14:58.743 --> 00:15:00.673 It should be on adult men with power. 00:15:00.673 --> 00:15:03.944 Adult men with power are the ones we need to be holding accountable 00:15:03.944 --> 00:15:05.683 for being leaders on these issues. 00:15:05.683 --> 00:15:08.158 Because, when somebody speaks up in a peer culture 00:15:08.158 --> 00:15:09.962 and challenges and interrupts, 00:15:09.962 --> 00:15:12.417 he or she is being a leader, really, right? 00:15:12.418 --> 00:15:13.555 But on a big scale, 00:15:13.555 --> 00:15:15.607 we need more adult men with power 00:15:15.607 --> 00:15:17.893 to start prioritizing these issues 00:15:17.893 --> 00:15:20.069 and we haven't seen that yet, have we? 00:15:20.069 --> 00:15:22.988 Now, I was at a dinner a number of years ago, 00:15:23.713 --> 00:15:27.196 and I worked extensively with the US military, all their services. 00:15:27.196 --> 00:15:29.662 And I was at this dinner, and this woman said to me 00:15:30.478 --> 00:15:33.209 - I think she thought she was a little clever, she said, 00:15:33.209 --> 00:15:34.975 "So how long have you been doing 00:15:34.975 --> 00:15:36.958 sensitivity training with the marines?" 00:15:36.958 --> 00:15:40.474 And I said, "With all due respect, 00:15:40.489 --> 00:15:42.790 I don't do sensitivity training with the marines. 00:15:42.790 --> 00:15:45.068 I run a leadership program in the marine corps." 00:15:45.068 --> 00:15:47.975 Now I know it's a bit pompous, my response, 00:15:47.975 --> 00:15:50.690 but it's an important distinction, because I don't believe 00:15:50.714 --> 00:15:52.599 that we need a sensitivity training. 00:15:52.599 --> 00:15:54.221 We need leadership training. 00:15:54.221 --> 00:15:55.362 Because, for example, 00:15:55.362 --> 00:15:56.755 when a professional coach 00:15:56.755 --> 00:15:59.214 or a manager of a baseball team or a football team 00:15:59.214 --> 00:16:01.603 - and i work extensively in that realm as well - 00:16:01.603 --> 00:16:02.929 makes a sexist comment, 00:16:02.929 --> 00:16:04.510 makes a homophobic statement, 00:16:04.510 --> 00:16:05.705 makes a racist comment, 00:16:05.705 --> 00:16:07.944 there'll be discussions on the sports blogs 00:16:07.944 --> 00:16:09.296 and in sports talk radio, 00:16:09.296 --> 00:16:10.392 and some people say, 00:16:10.392 --> 00:16:12.218 "Well, he needs sensitivity training." 00:16:12.218 --> 00:16:13.132 Others will say, 00:16:13.132 --> 00:16:15.722 "Get off it, that's political correctness run amok," 00:16:15.722 --> 00:16:17.858 and "He made a stupid statement, move on..." 00:16:17.858 --> 00:16:20.477 My argument is, he doesn't need sensitivity training, 00:16:20.477 --> 00:16:21.957 he needs leadership training. 00:16:21.957 --> 00:16:23.623 Because he's being a bad leader, 00:16:23.623 --> 00:16:26.672 because in a society with gender diversity and sexual diversity, 00:16:26.672 --> 00:16:27.962 (Applause) 00:16:27.962 --> 00:16:29.542 and racial and ethnic diversity, 00:16:29.542 --> 00:16:31.352 you make those kinds of comments, 00:16:31.352 --> 00:16:33.098 you're failing at your leadership. 00:16:33.098 --> 00:16:35.263 If we can make this point that I'm making 00:16:35.263 --> 00:16:37.734 to powerful men and women in our society 00:16:37.743 --> 00:16:40.440 at all levels of institutional authority and power, 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.882 it's going to change. 00:16:41.882 --> 00:16:44.585 It's going to change the paradigm of people's thinking. 00:16:44.930 --> 00:16:48.175 For example, I work a lot in college and university athletics 00:16:48.175 --> 00:16:50.669 throughout North America, right. 00:16:50.671 --> 00:16:54.635 We know so much about how to prevent domestic and sexual violence, right? 00:16:55.354 --> 00:16:58.509 There is no excuse for a college or university to not have 00:16:58.509 --> 00:17:01.000 domestic and sexual violence prevention training 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.904 mandated for all student athletes, 00:17:02.904 --> 00:17:04.561 coaches and administrators 00:17:04.561 --> 00:17:06.538 as part of their educational process. 00:17:06.538 --> 00:17:08.935 We know enough to know that we can easily do that 00:17:08.935 --> 00:17:10.358 but you know what's missing? 00:17:10.358 --> 00:17:11.701 The leadership! 00:17:11.701 --> 00:17:13.797 It's not the leadership of student athletes. 00:17:13.797 --> 00:17:15.951 It's the leadership of the athletic director, 00:17:15.951 --> 00:17:17.752 the president of the University, 00:17:17.752 --> 00:17:21.286 the people in charge who make decisions about resources and priorities 00:17:21.286 --> 00:17:23.075 in the institutional settings, right? 00:17:23.075 --> 00:17:25.705 That's a failure, in most cases of men's leadership. 00:17:25.705 --> 00:17:26.734 Look at Penn State. 00:17:26.734 --> 00:17:29.541 Penn State is the mother of all teachable moments 00:17:29.541 --> 00:17:31.019 for the bystander approach. 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:33.333 You had so many situations in that realm 00:17:33.347 --> 00:17:35.698 where men in powerful positions 00:17:35.698 --> 00:17:38.665 failed to act to protect children, in this case boys. 00:17:38.665 --> 00:17:41.228 It's unbelievable, really, but when you get into it, 00:17:41.228 --> 00:17:43.366 you realize there are pressures on men, 00:17:43.366 --> 00:17:46.054 there are constraints within peer cultures on men 00:17:46.054 --> 00:17:49.148 which is why we need to encourage men 00:17:49.161 --> 00:17:50.909 to break through those pressures. 00:17:50.909 --> 00:17:52.512 And one of the ways to do that 00:17:52.512 --> 00:17:54.524 is to say there is an awful lot of men 00:17:54.524 --> 00:17:56.363 who care deeply about these issues. 00:17:56.363 --> 00:17:57.986 I know this. I work with men. 00:17:57.986 --> 00:18:01.011 I've been working with tens and hundreds of thousands of men 00:18:01.011 --> 00:18:02.345 for many many decades now. 00:18:02.345 --> 00:18:05.199 It's scary when you think about it how many years, but ... 00:18:05.199 --> 00:18:06.345 There is so many men 00:18:06.345 --> 00:18:08.207 who care deeply about these issues, 00:18:08.207 --> 00:18:09.841 but caring deeply is not enough. 00:18:09.841 --> 00:18:11.301 We need more men 00:18:11.301 --> 00:18:13.913 with the guts, with the courage, with the strength, 00:18:13.913 --> 00:18:15.711 with the moral integrity 00:18:15.711 --> 00:18:17.296 to break our complicit silence 00:18:17.296 --> 00:18:19.279 and challenge each other, 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:21.726 and stand with women, not against them. 00:18:22.111 --> 00:18:23.753 By the way, we owe it to women 00:18:23.753 --> 00:18:25.276 there's no question about it. 00:18:25.276 --> 00:18:26.994 But we also owe it to our sons, 00:18:26.994 --> 00:18:28.597 we also owe it to young men 00:18:28.597 --> 00:18:30.537 who are growing up all over the world 00:18:30.537 --> 00:18:32.887 in situations where they didn't make the choice 00:18:32.887 --> 00:18:36.311 to be a man in a culture that tells them that manhood is a certain way. 00:18:36.311 --> 00:18:37.836 They didn't make the choice 00:18:37.836 --> 00:18:40.529 we that have a choice, have an opportunity 00:18:40.529 --> 00:18:42.493 and a responsibility to them as well. 00:18:42.493 --> 00:18:44.578 I hope that going forward 00:18:44.578 --> 00:18:46.587 men and women working together 00:18:46.587 --> 00:18:47.903 can begin the change 00:18:47.903 --> 00:18:49.775 and a transformation that will happen 00:18:49.775 --> 00:18:52.587 so that future generations won't have the level of tragedy 00:18:52.587 --> 00:18:54.343 that we deal with on a daily basis. 00:18:54.343 --> 00:18:55.434 I know we can do it. 00:18:55.434 --> 00:18:56.756 We can do better. 00:18:56.756 --> 00:18:58.608 Thank you very much. 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